Bachmann never came down to earth at ANWR
July 23rd, 2008 – 3:51 PM by Kevin DiazWASHINGTON — They came, they saw, but they didn’t land.
It turns out that Sunday’s congressional tour of Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), including Minnesota Republican Michele Bachmann, ran into some typical North Slope weather. They had to circle around in the air instead of touching down.
“Fog made it impossible,†said Bruce Woods, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service spokesman in Anchorage. “That’s not unusual.â€
The 11-member delegation, led by House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio, made it to Prudhoe Bay, but had to be content with an aerial tour of ANWR’s foggy coastal plain.
The experience did not douse Bachmann’s enthusiasm for drilling for oil in ANWR, which she laid out in a conference call with Minnesota reporters on Tuesday.
“Oil production and the environmental concerns with the wildlife and keeping the tundra area pure and clean, those are not mutually exclusive, they are very compatible,†Bachmann said.
The group saw the most wildlife, Bachmann said, right at “Mile Marker Zero†in Prudhoe Bay. It was a herd of caribou clustered around a pipeline.
Of the subsequent “two hour visual†of the National Petroleum Reserve and ANWR, she said, “the tundra looks exactly the same. The terrain looks the same.â€
Opponents of drilling decried the trip as a sham. “They saw nothing,†said longtime oil industry critic Chuck Hamel. “What a wasted trip.â€
But Stephen Miller, Bachmann’s spokesman, said the rough weather conditions bolster the arguments for drilling: “These extreme conditions, present even in the best months of summer, are evidence of the core point members learned firsthand from tours and briefings during the trip: ANWR’s 10-02 (proposed drilling area) coastal region is a remote and desolate site.â€
160 Responses to "Bachmann never came down to earth at ANWR"
Poor “jenny come lately” Bachmann. Her full pantry is filled with ignorance, arrogance and hot air.
Why didn’t Bachmann just talk to God and ask that the weather conditions be improved to allow her landing? I guess it was a sham.
One certainly has to be a person of blind faith to buy into the snake oil that Bachmann is selling.
“The group saw the most wildlife, Bachmann said, right at “Mile Marker Zero†in Prudhoe Bay. It was a herd of caribou clustered around a pipeline.”
Liberals were wrong when they said the pipeline would hurt wildlife, it actually helps them. Liberals are also wrong on their stupid ban on domestic drilling, and we can blame high gas prices on them.
funny how the libs here have a problem with bachmann but have no problem with the flip flopping lying con amn they are running for prez.
from a-s
Obama continued:
Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.
But Obama is not a member of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. Obama just made that up so he could count the committee’s action as one of “my deeds.”
Senator, you don’t have any deeds. You spent a few years in Chicago doing absolutely nothing that can be measured or held up for examination. The neighborhood you “organized” is still a crime-ridden, hellhole prison for minorities. Your only “accomplishment” has been to game the system and take advantage of the corrupt Chicago Democrat machine to further your ambitions. So I will look at your words, thank you very much. You lie like a cheap rug.
Thank goodness that McCain never misspeaks, eh OT? hahahahaha
Yawn. DTSI you blame absolutely everything on liberals and Democrats.
“DTSI you blame absolutely everything on liberals and democrats”
If the shoe fits…..
O.T.,
Unfortunately this blog leans to the left, just like the Star Libune itself.
I guess I am missing the thread controversy: it is somehow a failure to simply flyover a barren wasteland rather than land in it?
Had they vowed to plant a flag in the ground, or something? And we wonder why were down to single digits for bloggers..
I agree OT, it is amazing how the libs hate MB, but worship false idols.
How did that Pelosi pledge in 2006 to lower the $2.60 cent gas work out?
And with “no-drill, no-nuke, no speed limits” Obama (and McPain, too, in a nod to Dora) how low can it go? 5.20, 6.40, 7.10…….
That’s liberal thinking, up is down, right is left, cold is warm, etc etc
Hey OT, I’ll forgo my professor parth tagline to ask if you have any publio comments on the proposed lawsuit settlent? Is Dolan a grand wizard or something?
Obama isn’t only a flip-flopper but a liar:
FROM ANTI-STRIB:
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Just Another Obama Lie
If you haven’t caught John Hinderaker’s latest post at Powerline, it’s linked in the title. The first point regards our Saviour lying about what he said regarding Jerusalem at the AIPAC convention. This isn’t a shock, as Obama changes positions more often than a Nevada whore. It’s this piece of arrogant fantasy that should make even His most ardent fans question their sanity:
Obama continued:
Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran, as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.
But Obama is not a member of the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee. Obama just made that up so he could count the committee’s action as one of “my deeds.”
Senator, you don’t have any deeds. You spent a few years in Chicago doing absolutely nothing that can be measured or held up for examination. The neighborhood you “organized” is still a crime-ridden, hellhole prison for minorities. Your only “accomplishment” has been to game the system and take advantage of the corrupt Chicago Democrat machine to further your ambitions. So I will look at your words, thank you very much. You lie like a cheap rug.
A fraud and con man can only keep the scam going so long as he has willing dupes to feed the game. All of you fools who think this charlatan is anything but a con man deserve the next scam you fall for. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.
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Sorry, that needed to be repeated.
“Bachmann never came down to earth at ANWR”
This title alone is charged with extreme liberal bias. I would like to see the Star Democrat Tribune JUST ONCE take a shot at a liberal democrat like they do to the Republicans on a daily basis.
Jim, it is bs- believe me that minority officer, especially in the MPD have more than their share at promotions. Every day we see minority workers commit departmental violations but have no consequence and most know thay can do almost anything they want to do. How long before sarge tells me he knows more about this than I do?
Most everyone thinks Dolan is da man. He grew up in Mpls, has been here forever, and knows his sh*t. The problem came when he began to try to root out some bad behavior that he knew about and is now caught up in the reverse discrimination game of double standards, the new millenium edition.
Funny how Dora and the other libs say we can’t bring up Willyboy to compare to W, but she quickly says McCAin does it too. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA back at ya Dora.
O.T.
The 2 MILLION DOLLAR lawsuit brought against the City of Minneapolis (taxpayers) seems about as frivolous as the Flying Imam lawsuit. I hope the liberal democrat city council grows a pair and fights this nonsense.
I can only imagine the apoplexy from the right if Obama had referred to the Iraq-Pakistan border, mixed up Sudan and Somalia, repeatedly referred to Checkoslovakia, said Vladimir Putin was President of Germany, or mixed up the Sunni and Shia.
This guy was correct: “Being human and tripping over your tongue occasionally doesn’t mean a thing,” a top McCain official said.
Dora,
I can’t wait for the debates between B. Hussein “The Messiah” Obama and John McCain. Obama gets very confused without following a script, and McCain will run rings around him logically.
After OT’s comments D2, I agree, but we have a media that just can’t even begin
to handle the heat of a racial discussion. Even blowhhard parthian slinks away from attempting a romper room level of analysis on basic racial issues.
I predict the 2 mil gets paid…..
Dora:
enjoy the moment.
Most of us laugh at the empty suit that is Obama because of the 57 states, the sioux city shout-out, claiming 10,000 died in a tornado, thinking AK was next to West Va, seeing dead people and on and on and on.
Good luck to us all after this election–we all will be wishing W has a third term. Even Blaine!
Yeah, DTSI, I can’t wait to see McCain “run rings around him logically”. Hee, hee, hee.
Now this post made me laugh. It’s getting to that level of ridiculousness.
In July, 2001, Obama ended a personal email to an acquaintance by signing it “Barakc” – he can’t even spell his own name! We want him signing legislation?!?
In October, 2000, Obama mistyped his PIN into a Chicago ATM. He had to start over with his transaction. And we trust his fiscal policy?!?!
In May, 1984, he pulled up to a gas pump on the wrong side of his car. He had to get back in the car and turn it around. I mean, it’s just irresponsible.
To top it all off, just last week he walked into his hotel bathroom to shave and realized he forgot his razor at the last hotel, and had to have another razor brought to him. I mean, need I say more?
You guys, you don’t have to compromise your conservative credentials here – everyone knows MB is bat sh1t crazy, this is just more proof. Your defense of her reminds me of Parthians defense of Mark Ritchie…except MB is too dumb to do be crooked.
D2, why don’t you challenge her for the nomination? Do you guys really want that kook aligning herself with the GOP?
In all honesty though – I can’t believe they didn’t mention the UFOs she spotted with Iranian markings. Oh you didn’t hear about that? Yeah, MB has access to all the intel. It’s top secret of course.
The Iranians have a plan to divide Alaska up in the three parts, called the United Islamic States of Alaskastan. One part will go to each branch of Islam: Sunnies, Sh1iitites, and al-Queda. It’s true the CIA knows all about it. That’s why we have to nuke Iran. Jesus said it all in the book of Revlations.
It’s so funny to hear D2, OT, and the 6thDouche talking up McCain. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy a lot. If he were black, I’d vote for him.
It’s just that six months ago, these three were talking about how much of a pariah he is. You know, McCain is the guy who betrayed his country blabbed to the VC after getting tortured (what a pu55y). Now he’s letting in all the Mexicans and being against waterboarding n stuff.
But here we are in July, and you guys are all singing his praises…talk about flip-flop!
once again, sarge is spreading mistruths, no wonder you are an obama supporter. show me one post where I put down mccain, just one. he was not my first choice, but i respect his service to the country and he is tenfold better than the messiah.
dora- how are obama’s mistakes any different than mccains? if you or anybody was being filmed 24/7, speaking on a multitude of issues, you would make a mistake here or there too. well, you would, but you would never admit it, but most normal people would.
OT I can’t go back that far, they delete the posts. At that time, you said that you weren’t surprised that I liked him since he was a liberal like me. But I will acknowledge that you don’t deserve to be tossed into that group with the other two.
So are you pretty happy about McCain, or are you just getting behind him because he’s “not Obama”?
You do bring up a good point OT – sorry Dora – but I think they’re both subject to gaffes just like anyone else. I think what’s amazing is how good both of them seem compared to W. I’m pretty confident he’s going to go down as the worst president of the last 100 years.
Trouble is, D2, the obomanation is afraid to debate McCain, and wont allow it to happpen.
I cannot stomach Obama- he sickens me and this is magnified because of the msm love affair with him.
Why is the headline about Bachman at all?
“The 11-member delegation, led by House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio, made it to Prudhoe Bay, but had to be content with an aerial tour of ANWR’s foggy coastal plain.”
You all have some sort of problem with congress taking fact finding tours?
yes of course they are both subject to gaffes that’s why I said this earlier:
“This guy was correct: “Being human and tripping over your tongue occasionally doesn’t mean a thing,†a top McCain official said.”
OT and DTSI are the first ones to jump all over Obama but they ignore McCain’s numerous gaffes. I thought the funny post fit them perfectly.
Gaffes only becomes a problem if they deny they make it like McCain did over the surge timeline.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7523118.stm
Maybe Bachman aint so crazy after all.
By the way, did you all see the story concerning reduced ouput in Nigeria due to terrorist activty last week?
Which is better for the U.S.? A volitile foreign source, or a secure domestic source of oil?
P.S. OT’s been complaining about the lack of media coverage of McCain for months. Finally the MSM has listened! They were talking about it on GMA this morning – McCain’s 3 trips in the last few months had 2 reporters come along. “Barack and the Obamanauts” voyage to the Holy Land has 200 reporters. Quite unfair.
Dora quips: “Yeah, DTSI, I can’t wait to see McCain “run rings around him logicallyâ€. Hee, hee, hee.”
Actually, Dora that is a definate risk for him. In the Hillary debates, when pressed on a couple issues where he had to go ‘off-script,’ he really fell apart, most notably on capital gains tax rate. McCain isn’t any sort of fabulous speaker either, so it might be a bit optimistic to expect him to ‘run rings’ around anyone.
But the point that Obama stammers and appears to struggle reaching for answers when working without a net is valid. We already saw that.
As with your recent prior thread, OT, I couldnt agree more!
The Sarge remains the most creepy, lying, generally just disinformative
blogger that I can remember across the blogosphere. Please just ignore my posts, man who has done it all and been everywhere. You give bizarre a bad name.
As with OT, I get accused of “talking up McCain?” when i cant stand the guy policy-wise. Huh? He and Obama make Quayle look like JFK.
The archives are now “deleted” per creepy guy? Huh?
At least when it comes to commenting on who is “crazy” or the “worst,” Sarge should be the creme de la creme of that evaluating pool.
Dora;
Asuming the quote above from the Obamination is correct; there is a big difference between a gaffe, or a misstatement, and the following:
“Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words, you can look at my deeds. Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee,”
He named the commitee, and then claimed he was on it. You could even make a case for his claiming chairmenship i.e. “My Commitee”. That isnt misspeaking, that’s a plain ole lie.
For reference, here’s his comittee assignments:
http://obama.senate.gov/committees/
I fail to see the work “banking” in any of the titles.
How can he know his ‘comitments” when he doesn’t even know his “assignments”.
Hey, maybe McCain can bring Lieberman along to the debates so he can whisper the right answer into his ear.
Maybe Obama can bring Dora with, so he has a someone who can break out the “that’s not what I said” defense when he throws out a foolish answer.
He meant his bill not his committee and that was clarified by his spokesman. Guess you missed that. Dodd thanked him previously for his work on that bill.
Yes that is a misspeak. If that’s not a misspeak then you must believe that McCain meant to say that Putin is the President of Germany. How could McCain be an expert on foreign policy if he doesn’t know the country Putin leads?
That funny post fits you too Les.
Nah, he has spokesman to do that, just like McCain does Jay.
Jay says:
July 24th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Maybe Obama can bring Dora with, so he has a someone who can break out the “that’s not what I said†defense when he throws out a foolish answer.
OMG Jay- i almost fell off my chair laughing at that. Thanks- made my day!
Funny post? whatever.
Naw OT, he can’t bring Dora, otherwise he’d still be insiting “Jeruselem must remain undivided”
He needs an anti-dora. There is no way on God’s green earth a successful politician can keep insiting they didnt say what they did say on a daily basis.
I cant wait for his “I’m JFK” speech today.
What a clown.
Misnaming a leader of a foreign nation is equivilent to not knowing what the h*ll commitee your assigned too.
That’s way to rich for even you Dora.
I pleased to find out he did actually work on the bill.
“There is no way on God’s green earth a successful politician can keep insiting they didnt say what they did say on a daily basis.”
that’s true Les, so why do you support McCain again?
So McCain misspoke but Obama didn’t. If you actually think he doesn’t know what committee’s he serves on you’re definitely a lost cause.
If we were driving down a street and I said “thats my house” and I pointed to a mansion, would you get the idea that it is my house? Or maybe that I just painted the fence around it.
So, if you say that is “my committee”, I would at the very least, think you ARE ON the committee.
Even the Alaskans who support drilling in ANWR recognize what an asshat Bachmann is after her brief flyover:
http://newsminer.com/news/2008/jul/22/gop-congresswoman-finds-no-wildlife-or-trees-2000-/
Power Line reported:
Senator Obama did not appear in the Senate to vote on the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment calling on the government to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist entity and thus suffer the imposition of sanctions. On the day of the vote on the amendment, however, Obama issued a statement announcing that he would have voted against it. In the statement, the closest he came to addressing the merits of the amendment was his assertion that “he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran.” The amendment passed the Senate 76-22 on September 26, 2007, with many Democrats including Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, Richard Durbin, and Chuck Schumer voting in its favor.
It’s not just the thrills racing up and down Chris Matthews’ leg. Writing in Thursday’s Investor’s Business Daily, author William Tate documents that campaign donations from employees of big media companies are tilting 100-to-1 in favor of the Democrats so far this election cycle.
That’s right, 100-to-1.
It’s perhaps not a surprise that those working for NBC Universal are the most eager givers to the Democrats, racking up $104,184 in contributions this cycle, compared to just $3,150 to Republican candidates. Maybe more surprising is that those at Fox broadcasting and the Fox News Channel combined to give $41,853 to the Democrats, with no listed donations going to the Republicans. (Only $1,280 was listed as coming from Fox News employees.)
so why do you support McCain again?
Dora, I know your easily confused, but dont take my disdain for the s0ci@list obomination as support for McCain.
Fact is, you should place me in the undecided column. Although you can safely assume I wont be voting defeatocrat this year.
Hey Karl, I thought I was the only person who used the term “asshat” around here. You must be a gamer I take it?
Here’s my take on McCain – I liked his foreign policy ideas much more when he was his own man. Now that he’s running for prez, he’s cow-towing to all the neocons…
Obama reported:
“Senator Obama Clearly Recognizes The Serious Threat Posed By Iran,” However, “He Thinks That Our Large Troop Presence In Iraq Has Served To Strengthen Iran – Not Weaken It.” The Obama campaign said in a statement, “Senator Obama clearly recognizes the serious threat posed by Iran. However, he does not agree with the President that the best way to counter that threat is to keep large numbers of troops in Iraq, and he does not think that now is the time for saber-rattling towards Iran. In fact, he thinks that our large troop presence in Iraq has served to strengthen Iran – not weaken it. He believes that diplomacy and economic pressure, such as the divestment bill that he has proposed, is the right way to pressure the Iranian regime. Accordingly, he would have opposed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment had he been able to vote today.” [Obama Press Release, 9/26/07]
· Kyl-Lieberman Stated That The U.S. Military Presence In Iraq Will Have Long Term Consequences For The Future” Of The Middle East And “In Particular” Iran And That U.S. Military Instruments In Iraq Should Be Used To Support A Policy Of Rolling Back Iran’s Influence
Obama: “I strongly differ with Sen. Hillary Clinton, who was the only Democratic presidential candidate to support this reckless amendment. We do need to tighten sanctions on the Iranian regime, particularly on Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, which sponsors terrorism far beyond Iran’s borders. But this must be done separately from any unnecessary saber-rattling about checking Iranian influence with our ‘military presence in Iraq.’ Above all, it must be done through tough and direct diplomacy with Iran, which I have supported, and which Sen. Clinton has called “naive and irresponsible.” [Union Leader, 10/11/07]
more from Obama “addressing the merits of the amendment”:
“It is important to have tough sanctions on Iran, particularly on the Iranian Revolutionary Guard which supports terrorism. But these sanctions must not be linked to any attempt to keep our troops in Iraq, or to take military action against Iran. Unfortunately, the Kyl-Lieberman amendment made the case for President Bush that we need to use our military presence in Iraq to counter Iran – a case that has nothing to do with sanctioning the Revolutionary Guard.” [Press Release, 10/25/07]
Kyl-Lieberman should have been called the Sharon-Ohlmert bill. The biggest threat to Israel right now is Iran. Israelis are brilliant foreign policy strategists too. So why should they put their collective butt on the line when the US already has 100,000 troops and an air force ready to go?
They’re getting us to do their dirty work. I’m with Barack on this one.
well good for you Les, then you’re equally applying your comment to McCain then.
If I have a comment on Mccain, I’ll say so. You shouldn’t (although you ultimately will) jump to your illogical conclusions about my statements.
A plane full of Repub clowns flying around in the fog over the Arctic Wildlife Refuge, seeing nothing, but smelling oil.
The Blind leading the blind–a perfect metaphor for Darlin’ Michele, conservative Biker Babe, and her Repub Backbenching Boys. “The terrain looks the same!”, Michele gasps, as though this is some revelation to her. Or as though it has some meaning.
And her idiot spokesman says that because the Wildlife Refuge is “remote and desolate”–”even in the best months of summer”–this “bolsters the argument for drilling”? WTF does this mean?
I think the main reason that wingnuts want to drill in the Arctic Refuge is because environmentalists oppose such drilling. As an energy “policy” drilling in the Arctic Refuge is ridiculous and meaningless, but it’s crucial to “conservatives” because environmentalists must be “defeated” whatever the merits of the issue or argument.
There is no meaningful amount of oil in the Arctic Refuge—not even a single year’s worth of US consumption, which of course you wouldn’t get all at once. Drilling in ANWR won’t make the slightest difference at the pump, ever. As always, Repub “solutions” won’t do a thing, and they oppose the things that are needed—a massive move to conservation —because they can never see beyond the short term. And because they think they can mislead people, which is what they specialize in.
But drilling will sh*t up a pristine wilderness that arctic animals have used for summer migration and crucial calving grounds for thousands of years. Drilling ALWAYS pollutes the surrounding areas—just look at the environmental record at Prudhoe.
BigOil (as always) is lying about the size of the foorprint necessary to extract any oil there at all. And every US study by wildlife officials has concluded that drilling will harm the animals that use the Refuge for young-rearing every year.
Do conservative white males (and their lil’ Darlin’ Michele) hate wildlife and the environment as much as they hate environmentalists, or do they just hate the environmentalists so much that wrecking unspoiled wilderness areas to spite them is “collateral damage”?
There is a strong element of sadism and cruelty present in right wing “conservatism”—this hasn’t been adequately explored, even with militarist “conservatives” hysterical over starting new unprovoked wars of aggression and McGhoul’s endless “joking” about killing Iranians.
Partial brain does it again:
“There is no meaningful amount of oil in the Arctic Refuge—not even a single year’s worth of US consumption, which of course you wouldn’t get all at once.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7523118.stm
Of course, I’m sure the BBC is a Bushco co-conspiritor in Partial Brains world.
Les! I was just pasting the yahoo story on all the resources. You are too quick!
Bad timing for Parth, but again, the left has their own set of facts, truths, and beliefs (those of us in normalville realize these leftie beliefs are delusions).
Yes, I guess I was illogically thinking that you were being consistent. That’s too much to expect from you Les.
That link is to the USGS latest survey of fossil fuels in the Arctic, that is not relevant the Arctic Refuge. That is a survey of possible oil above the Arctic Circle—and it 85% “offshore” to the extent that word has meaning in the Arctic.
The USGS has long ago mapped out its oil estimates of the Refuge—this latest report doesn’t change that.
But I’m glad you wingnuts brought it up—the harshest and most expensive drilling area and most pristine and fragile environment in the world. And what does it (perhaps) contain? Three years of global consumption (at most) of enormously expensive to obtain oil and gas—whose recovery will crap up the Arctic all over the globe.
And you clowns think this is “meaningful” to the world’s oil situation. Party on, boobs.
Les, he’s right – he was talking specifically about ANWAR – your link is about the Artic as a whole, including areas controlled by Russia and Canada.
Aside from this point of contention though — do you really think drilling in ANWAR is going to make some huge difference? I’m not convinced, in fact, I think this whole “drill here, drill now, pay less” is nothing but a sham being put on by the oil companies.
Ah, a nibble… time to set the hook.
So, your not against artic drilling in general, just in ANWR?
do you really think drilling in ANWAR is going to make some huge difference?
Yes, although I not sure I’d sign up to “huge” and here’s an example of why:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/07/01/nigeria.summit/
Market stability does make a difference, and a secure domestic source is preferred over a volitile foreign source. If drilling off shore and in the artic only replaces 10 percent of our imports, it will have an affect on our markets, just like a disruption in a location providing only 10 percent of our imports does now.
a 3 year global supply is not a 3 year domestic supply.
Remember back in May when media gushed and fawned over a huge crowd in Portland, Oregon — supposedly gathered to hear the words of Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama — but chose not to report the free concert given before his speech?
Well, it has been learned that before the presumptive Democrat nominee spoke to a crowd in Berlin Thursday, two popular German acts — reggae artist Patrice and rock band Reamonn — entertained the gathering audience.
Will media report this tonight, or just gush and fawn over the huge crowd again?
1:42 p.m.: SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. “Barack Obama will not be coming to us,†a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. “I don’t know why.†Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.
I don’t really know Les. I’ve said before I’d rather see us sit on our oil until nobody has any left, then bring it out. I have young two boys, and I want the US to remain the geopolitical force it’s been for the last 100 years.
The market for oil is global, so unless we stopped importing oil completely, I don’t see how more drilling will benefit anyone except the big oil companies.
I’m hoping Jay will post something too because he’s usually pretty good at explaining the economics of commodities.
If my understanding of these kinds of commodities is correct — the real economic “price” of a gallon of gas is the cost to replace it — then maybe $4.00/gallon is where it should be. I haven’t driven a car that gets less than 28 miles per gallon since 1989, so it’s really not affecting me that much. I have very little sympathy for people in Woodbury and Chaska who have been driving their 10mpg behemoths into town, alone, every day. My Corolla gets be back and forth just fine, and it’s probaby just as safe.
OT, I wouldn’t complain about all this coverage – it’s going to help McCain in the long run. McCain’s at his best when he’s an underdog (remember the GOP primaries? Last summer his campaign was declared DOA.) People are going to get sick of seeing Barack’s face everywhere. Plus there’s a story in the Strib today that his lead is slipping in here MN.
Check it out — note that Ohio is now leaning McCain.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Plus the GOP convention is AFTER the dems — McCain will have the momentum going into September, not Obama. It ain’t over yet.
Sarge;
The way I see it, in the long run, before the rest of the world runs completly out of oil, we will be transporting folks via some other means than the internal combustion engine. Probably via electric motors. That makes any reserves we have in the ground basically worthless. Kinda like todays demand for lamp oil (whale oil).
It’d kinda be like sitting on a buch of confederate dollar bills. Shoulda used em before 1865….
Sgt: “I’m hoping Jay will post something too because he’s usually pretty good at explaining the economics of commodities.”
Thanks for the compliment, but I’m not sure what the question is….
ANWR is nothing but a political arm wrestling farce. As the earlier referenced study shows: there is plenty of oil in the arctic. Most of it is NOT in ANWR. I would suggest that isn’t much more than a matter of simple math and acreage involved.
parthian makes an important catch (although he manages to do so rather dismissively)….the idea that oil in the arctic is “85% offshore” is a pretty meaningless statistic, considering the location.
While using less (as the US has been since 2002) is ultimately the best solution to a domestic energy crunch, drilling is obviously the next best answer. Unfortunately, opening new land to exploration isn’t synonomous with drilling. In fact, it wopuld appear that openening land to companies who aren’t utilizing land they currently have authorization to drill on is counter-productive.
A sensible, rational person would be against a moratorium on coastal drilling, because it limits opportunity for additional supply. A sensible, rational person would force oil companies interested in drilling in these coastal waters to first illustrate that they are utilizing their leased land to drill, nto simply playing a game of oil acreage accumulation that they will tap “sometime when they get around to it.”
As Sarge says, from a strategic and economic standpoint, we probably should continue to import as much oil as we can efficiently refine, as long as we can afford to do so. Why use our own when we can afford to buy someone else’s? If I am at my neighbor’s house drinkin beer, I generally make sure we finish all of his before I volunteer to bring some of my own over.
Les: “It’d kinda be like sitting on a buch of confederate dollar bills. Shoulda used em before 1865….”
I would assume those are worth quite a bit of money today.
Love the beer analogy Jay thanks.
If anyone actually told the truth about this, I wouldn’t be so p1ssed off about it.
The other day McCain said that Bush talking about drilling is what caused the price of oil to drop $9/barrel. What a crock.
Sarge, no one knows for sure what makes these managed money entities tick. I can’t rule out the idea that increased talk of domestic drilling may have an impact on price, as prices are always forward looking. I would say you could safely rule out that being the *only* reason.
Well, they may be worth something to a few collectors, but you’ve gotta admint there is a rather low demand for them compared to legal tender.
YOu will to change your pay from U.S. dollars to confederate, for example?
Jay, if your neighbor suddenly said all future beers would cost you 10 bucks each, would you give him the 10 spot or go home and drink your own?
Well, they may be worth something to a few collectors, but you’ve gotta admint there is a rather low demand for them compared to legal tender.
YOu’d be willing to change your pay from U.S. dollars to confederate, for example?
Jay, if your neighbor suddenly said all future beers would cost you 10 bucks each, would you give him the 10 spot or go home and drink your own?
Stand by for the next defeatocratic “clarification”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/24/polygamy.hearing/index.html
Let see now, according to Ried:
Man marry man = OK, that’s your right
Woman marry women = Still OK, that your right
Man marry 2 or more women= Hold the phone, your a crook. Not only that, you must be committing welfare fraud (gee, is this marital profiling?)
Must be the “big tent” theory at work.
Ried may be right that FDLS committed crimes but to call “polygamy” a front for organized crimes just demonstrates his stupidity.
Let’s see now, using his logic in the article, all black democratic congressman must be on the take because congressman Jefferson was (is?)
Les:”Jay, if your neighbor suddenly said all future beers would cost you 10 bucks each, would you give him the 10 spot or go home and drink your own?”
Good question, and the answer (also as it relates back to the oil question) is as follows:
Obviously, if I think beers will be worth more than $10 next year, I continue to buy his and keep mine on ice. If I think the supply of beer in town will suddenly disappear and I might be the only guy with any left at all, perhaps I even pay more than that today. If everyone in town (except me) quits drinking beer altogether, then its only worth whatever intrinsic value it has to me. And of course if a brewery opens up in town distributing beers for $1, then both my beer and my neighbor’s beer become overvalued.
Draw as many parallels as you can/wish to the oil discussion, as there are plenty.
Les you’re creeping me out.
I’m not a real big Harry Reid fan either, but these “polygamy communities” are a sham…pretty much an excuse for middle-aged pervs to hook up with 14 year old girls.
You can compare polygamy to alternate lifestyles all day long if you like, but this is something different. FDLS and the other “fundamentalist” mormons communities force polygamy on children. That’s f-cked up, and as far as I’m concerned, yeagh it makes it a criminal organization.
There are three main reasons why liberals are so annoyed by Michelle Bachmann and attack her any chance they get:
1) She is a female who dares to be conservative.
2) She has a strong Christian faith.
3) She wants to preserve traditional marriage.
I live in the 6th district and will vote for her again along with my neighbors.
4. She is batsh1t crazy.
D2, did you know that some of the biggest liberals in past 50 years have been evangelical Christians?
Martin Luther King Jr., Jimmy Carter (whom Bachmann campaigned for in the 1970s), Bill Moyers…all big time born-agains.
Sarge,
I used to be a liberal myself when I was young and had my head up my a$$, thank God I came to my senses. Some people aren’t able to do that.
Michelle Bachmann on Iran, January 2007:
“And half of Iraq, the western, northern portion of Iraq, is going to be called…. the Iraq State of Islam, something like that. And I’m sorry, I don’t have the official name, but it’s meant to be the training ground for the terrorists. There’s already an agreement made.
“They are going to get half of Iraq and that is going to be a terrorist safe haven zone where they can go ahead and bring about more terrorist attacks in the Middle East region and then to come against the United States because we are their avowed enemy.”
5.) She is either really stupid or a liar. (I’ll take the former.)
Sarge,
It’s a good thing that the surge (which B. Hussein Obama and most liberals opposed) has worked and we don’t have to worry about Iraq splitting up.
On another topic, the liberal NBC Nightly News continued it’s pro-Obama/anti-McCain coverage tonight and it was so biased that it was almost comical.
Thank God B. Hussein “The Messiah” Obama’s popularity is rapidly fading among voters to the point where he and McCain are almost even in the polls. I guess the novelty is wearing off and common sense is taking over.
Obama says 10,00 people died in the kansas tornados.
obama takes credit for committee he isn’t on
etc, etc,etc
5.) He is either really stupid or a liar. (I’ll take the former.)
This is from a fellow blogger at Katherine Kertsin’s more successful Strib blog. His name is Leland and I thought I would share this with all of you:
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I’ll tell you about Barack Obama. He is a slickster. A con man. A sweet talking political huckster.
Obama is two faced as well. He will slant his message slightly to catch his audiences ear, all the while talking in in a circumlocution that brings him back to the hard core leftist that he is.
Obama is a clever, lying, radical leftist. A big government, confiscate the wealth, rule by the chosen elite, radical leftist. He’s Josef Stalin, with a different face.
I wouldn’t vote for that creep at gunpoint. Let her rip, you left wing commie creeps, of the Dem party. I’d rather be dead than vote for that scum.
That party hierarchy is so far extremist, hard core, rotten, stinkin’, left wing, it’s incredible. Obama is the baby of the hard core, radical left. That’s all he is.
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Looks like I am definitely not alone:
Nearly 7 in 10 Americans (67 percent) say they believe most in the media want Obama to win the November election—while a scant 11 percent think the media are pulling for John McCain. Moreover, only about 1 in 10 (11 percent) volunteers the belief that the media is neutral on the race to become the 44th President of the United States.
Ya’ll should should check out this site:
“anti-strib.blogspot.com”
It shows two extremely fat liberal women claiming that the economy is so bad that they can’t afford to eat meat anymore. This is a real story, but backfiring on supporters of the liberal democrat welfare state.
The management at liberal newspapers like the Star Democrat Tribune must have their head up their a$$es. They not only side with, but virtually endorse the most left leaning of candidates like B. Hussein Obama. It seems to me that the people who vote Republican are much more concerned about the current events than Democrat voters on average, thus Republicans are more likely to subscribe to a paper like the Strib.
With all the Strib liberal bias however, a large percentage of readers are bailing, causing economic problems.
Maybe all the new welfare recipients arriving daily to Minnesota from Somalia and Chicago will fill the gap.
You watch. We can go for weeks without a new topic, but Strib management will demand one ASAP after the last comment.
How quickly they change the topic when the subject of MB’s kookieness comes up.
That’s okay guys – I know there’s no defending her, so I don’t mind if you’d rather talk about Obama.
OT, first and foremost – above anything else, the media is a business. So if you want to know the truth, they don’t really care who wins. They will cover the candidates that get them the most ratings or readers. McCain is cut from the same cloth as all the other presidents (except Clinton). Obama’s the first black guy. It’s news.
Now is it fair? No it’s not. But to say it’s because they media is liberal and is pulling for Obama is inaccurate.
D2, there are about 8 people in the world who read this blog, so I doubt the Strib cares about what we write. WHat they do care about is our clickthroughs on the ads.
And D2, about your post from the KK blog, why did you post it? Is that supposed to convince me that Obama is bad? Just because some guy over on KK’s blog says so? Please.
“Is that supposed to convince me that Obama is bad?”
Sarge,
I’m just saying that Obama is a poor choice for President. By your own admission, you are voting for him because he is black, and his race seems to be more important with others as well above qualifications or patriotism.
you are right, sarge. the dems of the msm have no care whatsoever about who wins. That may explain the ny times 82% drop in revenue. but how does it explain this?
It’s not just the thrills racing up and down Chris Matthews’ leg. Writing in Thursday’s Investor’s Business Daily, author William Tate documents that campaign donations from employees of big media companies are tilting 100-to-1 in favor of the Democrats so far this election cycle.
That’s right, 100-to-1.
It’s perhaps not a surprise that those working for NBC Universal are the most eager givers to the Democrats, racking up $104,184 in contributions this cycle, compared to just $3,150 to Republican candidates. Maybe more surprising is that those at Fox broadcasting and the Fox News Channel combined to give $41,853 to the Democrats, with no listed donations going to the Republicans. (Only $1,280 was listed as coming from Fox News employees.)
oh well SgtP, Lelands comment was so well thought out, well researched, and articulate that he convinced me.
BWAHAHAHAHA.
Leland must be DTSI’s intellectual adviser.
I especially liked this part: “Let her rip, you left wing commie creeps”
Leland is kinda like our parthian, but less annoying.
how come no one is commenting on obama’s poll numbers dropping everywhere even with his whirlwind “presidential inaugaration tour”.
DFL Dora says:
“Leland must be DTSI’s intellectual adviser.”
I’m my own intellectual adviser by looking at the facts. Democrat politicians depend on useful idiots who vote not having a clue what they want except for more taxpayer funded handouts. The rest are anti-American social*sts and commusn*ist.
Obama doesn’t have a shot a being President. Even with the polls obviously always biased to the democrat party, McCain now has virtual tie and is looking great.
I live in rural Sherburne Country (Michelle Bachmann country), and you would not believe the number of lifelong democrats here who are for the first time voting Republican, and it’s not because he’s black, it’s because he’s a hard left leaning social*st!
htt*://ww*.beatlesarama.com/
This is fantistic to listen to while putting liberals in their place.
I covered this topic at http://www.mnblue.com, along with the football stadium yesterday.
Basically, oil under our public land belongs to us. Why should we give it away and let private industry take the profits when we could produce it ourselves under a nationalized program like most of the nations on earth do. I’m not saying we should confiscate anyone’s existing oil production effort, but Russia and a number of countries even less favorable to us are enjoying robust revenues without taxes from their natural resources. The solution to Medicare’s insolvency could be hiding in the artic circle or elsewhere off shore.
Simiarly, if we’re going to spend 600 million on a sports stadium, we should get a correspondent amount of state ownership in the vikings – enough so that we don’t have to argue about them moving again in 20 years.
I suppose you all will call anyone with these ideas a commie. I just think it is getting a fair return on an investment.
fine enough idea….except that there will be a list of cities elsewhere willing to hand the Vikings money and not demand an ownership stake.
Leland is another name for Partial Brain, except leaning to the right.
On the Ried thing, Sarge, if he said FDLS is a criminal organization, I’d of agreed with him, but his statement is akin to something like this:
“Italians are Mobsters and they all need investigation”
Or do you contend that ALL polygamists are welfare cons and child abusers?
put another way, what’s the difference between Reids statements concerning polygamists, and your opinion of OT’s statements on Somalis (or was it D2).
Justin:
We do charge for the access, we lease the land.
You have to admit, proposing the federal or state government get into the business of drilling and refining oil is not exactly a capitalistic view of the world. Your right, S*c1alism jumps immediately to mind.
As food prices are also rising, We could also have the government plow under a few thousand acres of national forest and start raising corn.. Right?
Justin; How about moderating your position slightly. We could (and maybe should) use the model Alaska uses for the pipeline. X amount per bbl.
But you’d need to take it all the way, that money goes to the people of Alaska, not the government.
Trouble is, it’s an added cost to the oil producers, and wouldn’t do a thing to reduce oil and gas prices.
“You have to admit, proposing the federal or state government get into the business of drilling and refining oil is not exactly a capitalistic view of the world. Your right, S*c1alism jumps immediately to mind.”
Liberal looney Maxine Waters(lib Dem-CA) has already publically stated that she wants to “take over and social*ze” the oil industry. Government has screwed up everything else they get their hands on, so why not the oil industry?
“As food prices are also rising, We could also have the government plow under a few thousand acres of national forest and start raising corn.. Right?”
We need to end the ethanol mandate immediately to lower fuel and food costs and help the environment.
Also, we need to stop massive third world immigration to save our farmland. I live in rural Shurburne Country and every day I watch farmland being bought and developed to make room for sprawl caused by crime in the metro area and hundreds of people flooding into Minnesota daily. I would bet that the majority of these are illegal aliens, third world refugees, and welfare migrants from Chicago. Nothing like the old days.
The people of Alaska are all for safely drilling in ANWR and other parts of the state, shouldn’t they have a say in this? Why should San Fransicko leftists like Nancy Pelosi call the shots?
Dare2: “We need to end the ethanol mandate immediately to lower fuel and food costs and help the environment.”
The price of Minneapolis wheat has fallen from $25/bu to a little over $8/bu in 5 months without any change in the ethanol programs. The notion that ethanol results in skyrocketing food costs is a falacy. Period.
Do you have daughters Les? When I hear “polygamy” I think of some middle-aged perv who lives on a ranch with 3 wives and 15 kids. If he’s out on the prowl looking for another child bride…well, “criminal organization” may be a bit strong, but certainly I don’t draw much difference between that and child molestors.
Now if you’re talking about some guy who has three wives, and they chose to enter the marriage as adults, and the husband isn’t out cruising for new recruits at the high schools…aside from the multiple spouses, no laws are being broken. That’s a different matter.
I think adults should be free to marry whomever they want to — but when you start bringing children into it – that’s criminal.
“The notion that ethanol results in skyrocketing food costs is a falacy.”
Are you saying that using our food to inefficiently make fuel has no effect on food prices?
No. I’m saying we don’t use food to make ethanol at all, and that it is untrue that skyrocketing food prices are the result of ethanol. I would never say that it has “no effect at all” because everything has an effect. When it rains, it has an effect.
Sarge:
As a matter of fact, I have a 23 year old daughter. Would I want her to marry a polygamist. No.
But you prove my point yourself with this statement.
“When I hear “polygamy†I think of some middle-aged perv who lives on a ranch with 3 wives and 15 kids.”
I see no difference in that position and the postions your rail against when it comes to posts here about Somalis and others.
Again, the point is the labeling of polygamy as the problem, rather than the practices of one “cult”.
Put another way, maybe you should consider that bringing polygamy out of the closet would reduce the need for cults such as FDLS.
And no, I’m not a polygamist, One wife is enough for me.
I have a follow-up question for you, Dare2:
Can you explain the massive sell-off in grains of all kinds during the last few months, when nothing has changed on the ethanol front (if ethanol was truely the reason we were seeing those high prices)?
OT, I’ll give you that the coverage has been skewed like mad towards Obama…but I get the feeling you think more people would be conservative if these liberals weren’t reporting the news.
I went to grad school for this stuff OT, and one thing I’ve learned is that people who are conservative vote conservative; liberals vote liberals and ALL people are very capable of determining when a news report is biased.
Interestingly, the swing voters represent a relatively small percentage of the voting public – like 10-20%. Swing voters are some of the most critical consumers of news. They’re aware of the issues that affect them, and are relatively immune to bias, newspaper editorials, or even political ads. Generally, they tend to pay close attention to the news in the few weeks before the election, then decide in the voting booth. (I can give you some hints on where to find this work, but if I revealed too much, it might clue people in to my identity, and I”m a very private person).
Anyway OT – my point is that the people who really matter when it comes to politics (the swing voters) are pretty much immune to the alleged bias you’re so concerned about.
If you think about it, it explains a lot. Despite all the alleged liberal media bias in the past, We’ve 5 Republican presidents and only 2 Democrats in the last 40 years.
No Les – my problem is with the polygamists who are child abusers, and use religion as an excuse to be pervs.
Now if you’re talking about the word “polygamist” — I am using it to describe people like Warren Jeffs. If you want to take issue with my using that label, go for it by all means. Technically, I went to school with a polygamist – one of my classmates in school is bisexual — she has two partners – one male and one female, and they all live together. They’re not having kids, and they’re not forcing their lifestyle on anyone – and I don’t have a problem with that, because they are all consenting adults. Technically, yes they are polygamists, but are they prosecuted as such? No they’re not. It’s because there are no children involved.
So I don’t have any issue with Mormons, nor with polygamists who don’t hurt anybody. I do have a major problem with people like Warren Jeffs.
You bring up an interesting point – I think it’s more about labels than lifestyle though.
“she has two partners – one male and one female”
Where does one sign up for a gig like that? Where the hell were all these people when I was in my 20′s?
Sarge;
We are in agreement on Jeffs et al. If that’s what Reid had siad, I’d be in agreement with him.
I find it rather ironic that a defeatocrat labeling a whole class of people as “organized crime” gets very little press, and I find it no different than racism, gay bashing, or labeling all immigrants as illegal aliens on welfare. In other words, I find Reid positon to be rather McCarthy like concerning polygamy.
You’ll note our died in the wool defeatocrats are not defending him here.
Well calling them all “defeatocrats” isn’t any way to start a conversation, most everyone has something interesting to say…Even D2SI!
I think the difference between what Reid said and racism is that people like Jeffs really are digusting human beings…So Reid should have chosen a different word to describe it.
I don’t know Jay…it’s not so simple though. The two women were in a relationship with each other for like 3 years (100% vegetarian if you get my drift). Then one of them fell in love with this guy from Spain…so rather than splitting up they all got together. They’re wonderful and happy people who obviously love each other very much…Maybe I’m too traditional but that arrangement wouldn’t work for me (or maybe it’s cuz I have the most kickass wife in the world).
One more thing OT — not sure if you’re a drudgereport reader or not, but he’s guilty of covering the he11 out of Obama too, and he’s supposed to be conservative.
Another group that needs some blame here are McCain’s campaign planners. So Obama is giving a speech in Berlin, and McCain is having schnitzel in some dumpy german restaurant in Podunk, Maine — that’s how to lose an election. He needs to get some fresh blood on his team.
It’s kind of funny to watch young liberal Berliners go gaga over Obama and treat him like a rock star. If they understood history they would realize that if a pacifist social*st like B. Hussein Obama was President of the United States in the 80′s instead of Ronald Wilson Reagan, the Berlin wall would still be standing and the commun*sts would still be killing Germans for trying to leave.
…..and if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle…..
first, thanks for mentioning schnitzel-now I can’t think of anything else.
second, i agree that the important voters definitely recognize the biased coverage and if anything it is backfiring on obama. his poll numbers are steadily declining and even hios weeklong loveathon isn’t making a blip. it actually is dumping him faster.
i would however like to see the whole truth when they cover it- how about telling people they had free concerts before the oberlin speech instead of just saying he had 200,000 people
d2, the concept of “conservatism” isn’t global. A “conservative” German or Russian is not the same as a conservative American.
Jay says:
July 25th, 2008 at 11:48 am
…..and if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle…..
in today’s society, that is not neccessarily so- she could still be your aunt. dam*- another fine phrase down the drain with this pc world we live in!
sorry dora
Though the Rammstein visit had been planned for days, Obama senior strategist David Axelrod said that that Pentagon notified Obama military advisor Scott Gration only yesterday or the day before that he should not come.
The Pentagon “viewed this as a campaign event and therefore they said he should not come,” Axelrod said. Obama has been at the base in previous overseas trips. He visited with troops–even played basketball–when he touched down in Kuwait during the Iraq and Afghanistan leg of his swing.
However, the Pentagon has come out with a different version on the story.
The Politico reported:
Chief Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell confirmed to Politico that Department of Defense officials cautioned Barack Obama’s campaign that his planned visit to wounded American troops in Germany could not be political in nature and that he would be barred from bringing along campaign staff and reporters. He also said that Cindy McCain recently requested to visit sailors aboard the U.S.N.S. Comfort and was denied.
“Sen. Obama is welcome to visit Landstuhl or any military hospital in his official capacity as a United States senator,” Morrell said in a brief interview. “But there is a DoD policy which governs campaigning and electioneering at military facilities that would have to be respected if he were to visit. That distinction was relayed and made clear to campaign, and they made a decision on their own based on that guidance.”
It’s bad enough that Obama went shopping and worked out instead of visiting wounded troops.
It’s worse that his campaign lied about it.
OT, if you put forth the same effort fighting crime as you do “expsoing the MSM” the entire state of Minnesota would be crime-free in six months.
Here’s my cut-n-past o’ the day:
Well, this is the topper. Barack Obama cannot be the American president because he refuses to participate in our glorious national tradition of giving our children lots of expensive plastic sh1t for them to choke on all the time. These communist Obamas throw birthday parties for their tots but do not give them actual presents. What other subversive values are the Obamas teaching their children?
-Chores.
-They get a crappy $1 weekly allowance.
-These tragic little girls don’t even get Christmas presents, except from Santa Claus.
This last troubling bit of information suggests Barack Obama’s TRUE religious problem: it’s not that he’s a Muslim, it’s that he’s a Jehovah’s Witness.
“This last troubling bit of information suggests Barack Obama’s TRUE religious problem: it’s not that he’s a Muslim, it’s that he’s a Jehovah’s Witness.”
Maybe he should spend some time on the campaign trail actually knocking on doors then…..kill two birds with one stone.
Guess they need to get their story straight.
From Talking Points Memo:
A Pentagon spokesperson confirms to me that because of longstanding Department of Defense regulations, Pentagon officials told Obama aides that he couldn’t visit the base with campaign staff. This left Obama with little choice but to cancel the trip, since the plan to visit with campaign aides had been in the works for weeks…
But it turns out that the Pentagon did in fact tell Obama that in this case, it was not only “inappropriate,” but against DOD rules, for him to conduct the visit with campaign staff.
“We have longstanding Department of Defense policy in regards to political campaigns and elections,” Pentagon spokesperson Elizabeth Hibner told me. “We informed the Obama staff that he was more than welcome to visit as Senator Obama, with Senate staff. However, he could not conduct the visit with campaign staff.”
Oh and OT, you’re also wrong about the polling.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows a bounce for Barack Obama. The presumptive Democratic nominee attracts 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 41%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 49% and McCain 44%. Just three days ago, the candidates were tied at 46% (with leaners).
And take a look at Gallup for July. You’ll notice that Obama’s numbers aren’t steadily declining. http://tinyurl.com/5oo2e5
Also note: Gallup Daily: Obama by 6, Is There a Europe Effect?
I can’t imagine any patriotic soldier wanting to see Obama. Maybe the Pentagon kept him away for his own safety.
Gee DTSI, I guess you missed all the photos and videos of the troops wanting to see Obama.
or maybe you mean the troops who wanted to see Obama aren’t patriotic? Now that wouldn’t be very patriotic of you to imply the troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are unpatriotic for wanting to see Obama.
and please don’t trot out that old canard about how more military people support McCain.
Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission data by The Associated Press.
D2, the great Repbulican Abe Lincoln once said that if he had the same background as his political opponents, he would probably share their beliefs.
Why is that you refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy (and doubt the patriotism) of any political viewpoint other than your own?
I could just as easily say you’re unpatriotic because you’re a Nationalist.
luckily votes are counted on a per person basis….not total dollars.
Hey Dora – don’t buy into that national poll b.s. — it’s completely meaningless. Remember how Gore was leading in the national polls back in 2000? We use the electoral college.
Use this site – it usese state polls to determine who’s winning in each state. This is what the campaigns use to figure out where they need to be campaigning, and who’s ahead…
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
The race has been getting tighter over the last few weeks, but notably, McCain is slipping in Florida, but has made gains in Ohio. Barack has slipped in Virgnia, but is making gains in North Carolina and Texas.
“Gee DTSI, I guess you missed all the photos and videos of the troops wanting to see Obama.”
In the videos I’ve seen, almost all of the troops seen with “The Messiah” were black, and we know that blacks vote democrat over 90% of the time. No big surprise there.
In general though, most soldiers and vets can’t stand Obama and his pacifism.
I don’t buy into the polls SgtP. But OT’s statement about them is just false.
“In the videos I’ve seen, almost all of the troops seen… were black.”
DTSI, DTSI, DTSI. there just is no evidence to support that. In general though, you are full of bs.
Dora,
I’m telling you the truth. In the videos of the troops hanging out with “The Messiah”, they were almost all black.
And I see you still don’t know what the definition of ‘pacifist’ is. Get yourself a dictionary. You need it.
“we know that blacks vote democrat over 90% of the time”
I used to think that too until I got a job downtown……turns out those with families, decent houses, an education, and good jobs are just as sick of seeing their tax money wasted as you or I. I’m thinking your 90% figuire is just among those who walk around with their hand out, and then that figure holds across all races, including Whitey.
I’m glad to see that the more successful and intelligent blacks are realizing that the democrat party is the wrong answer. Unfortuanely black conservatives are really looked down upon and ridiculed by most blacks and liberals. Look at Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas for example. Clarence is even referred to as an “Uncle Tom” in the black community.
Dora,
B. Hussein Obama’s trip to the middle east is just a ploy to try to convince voters that he isn’t as much of a “Cindy Sheehan” as he in fact is. Obama is full of liberal crap.
Dare2: From what I’ve seen, I’m not sure Obama is full of anything at all……liberal crap may be giving more credit than deserved.
assertions are not facts DTSI. I see why you posted Leland’s screed. He said in one place what you sprinkle throughout your posts.
Dora,
I’m sorry if I upset your sense of liberalism by posting Leland’s comment. He’s right though!
D2, You say:
1. patriotic soldiers don’t support Obama
2. The ones supporting Obama are black
Logically from those two statements, you don’t think black soldiers are patriotic.
If A = B, and C is not equal to A, then C is not equal to B.
You can’t have it both ways. Why don’t you just stay away from the race topic altogether?
Leland’s comment is garbage – there’s no meat to it D2 – it’s like me calling you a dumbass.
Please, please, please…
The WORST possible response when caught doing something wrong is to say “Well, everybody does it.”
Those are the words of every liar, crook, and wife beater in history, I believe.
Two wrongs do NOT equal one right, I say.
So please, STOP with the “Everybody does it.”
I would agree that nearly every military member that appeared to genuinely want to greet obamama, they were black. this just goes hand in hand witht the national poll numbers of blacks voting for obama.
sorry dora, that i didnt use TODAYS polling numbers when i posted them YESTERDAY, ya dumb a$$. even so, there are many polling places used, and it appears obamas numbers did not make hardly a ripple after this trip. i would guarantee it isnt anywhere near where the obma camp and the msms wanted it.
your guarantees about politics are pretty worthless OT. And, ya dumb a$$, the Gallup poll has a month’s worth of polling data.
Of course you would agree with DTSI. You parrot the same garbage in a less offensive way. Sure, only black military members wanted to greet him just like only black military members contribute to his campaign. hahahahaha
Dora says:
and please don’t trot out that old canard about how more military people support McCain.
Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission data by The Associated Press.
Here’s my new favorite for: absolutely worthless statistic, from Dora, no less!
Dora–you do realize, that combined this is a half-million dollars, which even at the minimum would represent all of 2,5oo donors. Most active duty cant afford to donate, and this is a laugh out loud way to claim “support” of a candidate.
I will assume you arent employed by Gallup…
“D2, You say:
1. patriotic soldiers don’t support Obama
2. The ones supporting Obama are black”
Sarge, I never said most black soldiers support Obama, just that over 90% of blacks support Obama and liberal democrats. I’m sure that the vast majority of black soldiers are very patriotic and don’t support Obama, but some do as we’ve seen in his photo op’s.
I say nearly ever, dora say i claimed only black members, what a tool you are.
I don’t doubt that soldiers wanted to get a photo with obamama. when i was in, i stood in line to get a picture with sister sledge and also the milli vanilli guy who killed himself. soldiers love to get pics with celebrities- obamama is a celebrity, a stuffed shirt teleprompter afficionado.
dora uses todays gallup poll, i used rasmussen and laughingly, the newsweek poll and she claims victory. what a tool you are again.
DFL Dora is a tool, no disputing that!
It was DTSI that said he only saw black soldiers with Obama and you said nearly every one was. Wow, that’s a huge distinction OT. What a dolt you are.
And where did you post rasmussen and newsweek polls OT? I was responding to this post, from today:
O.T. says:
July 25th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
first, thanks for mentioning schnitzel-now I can’t think of anything else.
second, i agree that the important voters definitely recognize the biased coverage and if anything it is backfiring on obama. his poll numbers are steadily declining and even hios weeklong loveathon isn’t making a blip. it actually is dumping him faster.
I didn’t claim “victory” I stated that Rasmussen’s Daily tracking poll and Gallup’s daily poll and the data from the last month didn’t support a steady decline in his poll numbers or no bump from his trip as you claimed.
Yeah 6DJ it’s not the best statistic but it’s certainly more than DTSI’s simpleton assertions.
“I’m sure that the vast majority of black soldiers … don’t support Obama”
And how would you know that DTSI? Did you do a poll? hahahahaha
Dora,
Our soldiers in general don’t like liberals, so why would black soldiers be much different in their dislike for Obama?
How do you know what our soliders like and don’t like D2?
You know D2 — I always tell you that I think you’re a decent guy — and I really do. But today, you’re completely full of sh1t, my friend, which is almost as full of sh1t as LaSixiemeDouche and completely wrong about black soldiers and black people in general.
This is to my friend who speaks French: Va te faire foutre. Tu es un porc sans valeur et un enfant-détestant le phénomène. Personne ne lit vos commentaires stupides. Ne que pas tu aves réalisé? Personne ne répond quand tu écrives – et unique goûts vous. Tu es incapable de avoir une discussion intellectuelle, parce que tu n’acceptes pas même pour une seconde quelqu’un d’autre ‘ ; idée de s. Je te suis convaincu que lisez les commentaires juste parce que vous êtes fâché contre le monde de avoir un petit andouillette.
wow, what a surprise, that dora says she is correct. what a beech you are.
i said polls, i did not specify which. so go out to the shed with the other tools.
i also believe the dept of defense over the obama campaign any day of the week.
i am wondering too, when will the media pick up on the edwards affair? may be elizabeth should go back on the view and tell us how she feels. this was reported many many months ago too but oddly was not reported anywhere. pawlenty makes a joke about lack of sex and the red star has two days of coverage on it though.
I didn’t say I was correct I said that Gallup and Rasmussen didn’t support what you said. And now you admit you gave no specifics about what polls or even what those polls said.
You reading the National Enquirer now OT? If you think the media should pick that story up why not all the ones they’ve written about Bush drinking again and Laura wanting a divorce.
if i remember correctly, the strib did print those tidbits too.
what the f are you talking about “admitting”? i am saying what happened. you are a effin idiot. it is very apparent why everyone but sarge hates your guts.
actually the national enquirer was a major supplier of most of the OJ information. for every ten bigfoot stories, they actually put out some news too.
this may convince you easier, the enquirer broke the rush limbaugh oxycontin story too. i don’t remember- did the press mention that story anywhere? hmmmmmm…
You really are babbling tonight OT. Perhaps you’ve had one too many. What you’re saying is bogus.
You’re really reaching to bestow credibility on the National Enquirer. That actually doesn’t surprise me.
gosh, i am so wasted tonight, i can barely type. one last thing before i pass out.
the ny times ran a front page story and then nearly every other media joined in accusing mccain of having a long time affair with the lobbyist chick. there was not one shred of evidence to it. now cut to the enquirer story- one would have to assume there will be photos and there already has been eyewitness accounts verifying the lobby encounter. leave your partisan hat at the door and look.
Dora:
Yeah 6DJ it’s not the best statistic but it’s certainly more than DTSI’s simpleton assertions.
C’mon, you are too harsh on D2, but ,wow, is OT ever harsh on you last night! Time to stay on the newer threads, I guess;
Why do I smile weakly? Because even your insults are well,…. I think you need to add a “bag” to your insult, it’s the “bag” that turns it from something people want and seek to buy, to something nobody wants to be around…..i.e. Dora has used the correct form of the insult in past threads.
And as a final adios to your need for acknowledgement: thanks for the final proof of your “issues.” I truly wish you well in your life. Insult away, I accept it willingly if it helps….however, I just dont feel right anymore about throwing back zingers beyond this thread. Just can’t do it. Sorry.
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