Planet’s been saved already, Bachmann says
August 12th, 2008 – 4:24 PM by Emily KaiserContinuing her push for a comprehensive energy plan that includes increased oil drilling, Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., reminded Americans that the Democrats message to save the planet doesn’t add up. The world has been saved already, she says.
Responding to Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s comment about creating an energy policy to help save the planet, Bachmann added religion to the energy crisis during her interview with OneNewsNow, a Web site run by Christian American Family News Network.
“[Pelosi] is committed to her global warming fanaticism to the point where she has said that she’s just trying to save the planet,” Bachmann said. “We all know that someone did that over 2,000 years ago, they saved the planet — we didn’t need Nancy Pelosi to do that.”
Bachmann said Democratic leaders are committed to stopping bills that allow drilling. Bachmann plans to join other Republicans in the House chamber on Friday to continue their protest during the congressional recess to bring members back for a vote on an energy bill.
The Minnesota DFL released a statement Tuesday denouncing the protest at the Capitol, calling it an “Olympics of meaningless rhetoric.
According to the statement, Republicans “would rather grandstand in a meaningless charade in Washington that will do nothing to reduce the cost of gas or the overall economic squeeze on Minnesota’s working families.”
Bachmann’s recent comments are reminiscent of her earlier religious comments in 2006 at the Living Word Church in Brooklyn Park when she said she was “hot” for Jesus.
“What does God say when he looks at you or looks at me? He wants to say, ‘she’s hot, he’s hot,’ because we are hot for him on the inside,” Bachmann said. “When you are hot for Jesus Christ, nothing is like that life.”
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I think Michelle needs to be reminded of the “seperation of church and state”. She can be “hot” for Jesus but leave it out of politics or let’s start taxing the churches! She has got to go!
I do not understand why the Democrats are unable to produce a satisfactory candidate to run against her. This should be a lay-up for them, and they somehow turn it into a f*ck-up instead. How embarrassing.
Well, it’s easy to see why this crazy woman’s judgment is in question and why she has no business voting on serious matters of public policy.
This sort of religious cretinism makes one simply unable to function in the real world and Darlin’ Michele is not functioning. Her theology is quite haphazard as well, as Jeebus did not (by report) die for “the planet” and certainly not for its 11,000 year old stable climate.
This is rank climate change denialism by a crazed wingnut.
And if the planet’s stable climate is to be saved, it will be done by humans, Darlin’ Crazed Michele, not Jeebus, however “hot” you (and others) may be for him.
Having crazed lunatics wasting seats in Congress when serious matters of actual existential concern are being debated doesn’t help anything, boobs in Bachmannistan. In fact, this sort of religious pinheadism denies that humans should even try to alter events that lunatics like Darlin’ Michele believe have been “foretold” or “ordained” by their stone and iron age Christian Bible.
Has the MSM ever asked Darlin’ Michele if she believes in the Rapture?
Wow, the first 3 responses here are laughable.
Wasn’t her whole point about: the egotism of the idiot-pelosi pretending to be some type of messiah (and doesnt she know that’s Obama?).
I dont even see the point of this thread, but then again I had a fine time at the melissa etheridge concert Saturday, where a very, very diverse crowd spent an evening without hardly a judgemental word. Not even any Bush bashing.
The Christianity phobia on this site is legendary, and still intact, I see.
BTW, she will be relected in a cakewalk, by the state’s most educated and intelligent district, much to Parth’s chagrin…..
Emily Kaiser, continuing the recent dumbo threads, so endemic to the BQ…..
I SALUTE EMILY!
Oh, is Darlin’ Michele going to crack 50% this time, 6DJ?
Her whole point was to inject religion into a public policy debate for the “Christian” base. They’ve got to do something to pump up Republican enthusiasm.
Emily is another perfect example of the liberal MSM. Their bias continues to hurt their circulation and advertising. I wonder how much longer poor Emily will be employed? Maybe she can get her next job at a university.
When are we going to see a BQ topic questioning a dem? Using the modeling framework of stochastic Petri nets, one could prove that the odds are against it. The biggest loser of 2008 continues to be the MSM.
God bless Michele!
I AM CURIOUS. Is it possible for this crapy blog to have a thread title and topic that is not anti-repub? Just look at the topic numbers to the right here. Bachmann 16 threads, pawlenty 13, coleman 29, and obama…..7? I will take a look at bachmanns and see how many of the 16 have even a semi-positive feel and report back.
Basically 4 did not have a negative feel to them.
I don’t usually do this, but I’m going to talk from a Christian perspective here, so if that’s going to offend you, feel free to skip it.
Jim, I’m a Christian and I find her comments offensive. In fact, it reminds me of the philosophy of Reagans interior secretary James Watt, who felt we should use up all our resources because Jesus was coming soon, and we won’t be needing them anyway.
There was a guy at my sister’s church who read some book by a Christian scholar which claimed He would return on October 29, 1988. This guy was so convinced, he went out and bought a brand new Cadillac three weeks before the big day. Needless to say, he learned a valuable lesson.
The bible says be in the world but not of it — to me, that means that Christians should focus on important things, like helping the poor and promoting peace throughout the world, much like Pope John Paul II did. Politics is fithy-even more so when compared to Christ’s love, and Bachmann is sullying his name by cheaply using in politics. Not only that, it distracts from the real message of our faith, confusing people with an incorrect impression of our faith.
There’s a jewish saying that our priest mentions from time to time: Men think, God laughs.
I don’t think the attitude here is anti-Christian, it’s against people who use Christianity…very big difference there.
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dumpbachmann.blogspot.com
It’s interesting that when someone reports the actual quote of what Michele Bachmann said, they get accused of “liberal bias.” How is reporting on Michele Bachmann’s actual statements bias?
Is it also “liberal bias”, when this blog reports on some of Franken’s er, more colorful comedy routines? Or Franken’s tax problems?
The Strib needs to do MORE reporting on Michele Bachmann and the 6th District race - not less.
6th District “race?”
darn blog cut me off…..
I was going to say that to me, a “race” implies some sort of actual fair competition. For some reason, the Democrats are far less concerned with finding a solid candidate to run in that district, than they are with belly-aching about Bachmann serving. Even those who support Bachmann would probably agree with that. Want her out? Then produce an electable candidate to replace her.
When forced to choose between “my” unqualified candidate versus “your” unqualified candidate, common sense should tell you that most folks will simply choose “their” unqualified candidate. If the desire is truely there to tip the scales, secure a moderate candidate whos views reflect mainstream people and win the race on the strength of the independant vote, as well as those who don’t hesitate to vote across party lines for the right candidate. Think Colin Peterson, Jim Ramstad, and I would say we will be able to add Dick Day to that list shortly.
Neither party seems to have the spine to endorse someone like that because they may break ranks across party lines to vote for legislation that actually makes sense to pass. Heaven forbid!!! Thus, we get stuck with ‘representation’ from the likes of Bachmann and Ellison.
sorry lloyd but the big question threads are near devoid of anti- franken. of the 18:
4 mention his past writing and a big old zero on his tax problems. i think i need to look back on norm now.
yep, there is really not a positive thread with Coleman. In fact there were 4 threads alone about how he smoked pot in college. I wonder if Al smoked or injected anything on the SNL set? It is exactly what I expected from this fair and balanced blog.
Why is Michele Bachmann so afraid of debating with her democratic opponent, if she is so far ahead? She chickened out on the Farmfest debate. That’s going to alienate some of her constituents.
I was unaware MB is running this time around. Why would she debate anyone over two years until her next election? Are you dense?
I think MB is pretty confident and is not worried about the lame dems they keep putting up.
“She chickened out on the Farmfest debate.”
I’m not sure if she was invited (see OT’s comment above), but she’d be wise to take a pass on that event anyway. She doesn’t know squat about agriculture or the issues facing MN farmers and/or industry. She has more to lose by showcasing her lack of knowledge in that field than by not showing up to participate. Along those lines, I don’t think Franken did himself any favors by showing up there with nearly zero working knowledge of agriculture either. The “Norm Coleman is the same as George Bush who is the same as the devil” thing can only be repeated so many times before the crowd expects you to come up with some new material.
Of course, coming up with new material has never been a strong suit for Franken in this career endeavor, or his previous ones.
Politics 101: If you’re way up in the polls, don’t give your opponent a free ride by appearing in a debate with him (or her).
I think what’s so amusing about the Franken campaign is how inept it is. Coleman’s out there with ads deconstructing Franken and connecting him to organized crime, while Franken counters with this stupid apartment rental thing (everyone knows that Coleman stays with his mistress in DC anyway).
Both candidates obviously think little of the average Minnesotans IQ.
Say Dora, could you tell me who the Jeebus guy partial brain was talking about is..
Chirp chirp chirp….
Abviously he’s much less important and respected than Obama, as you made no comment on it.
(everyone knows that Coleman stays with his mistress in DC anyway).
any evidence to back this up? yep, didn’t think so. losing any respect i had for you, sarge.
your statement is all the ny times needs to put this as their header on the front page as long as he is a republican. the media really, really showed their stripes on this edwards thing.
OT nails it!
Just look at the last 7 threads. Really no Dem quote analysis, 6 righties and one Independence…..
As with the blind eyes to the Edwards story, or the debate if edwards lies cost Hilary the nomination, the BQ really is a little microcosm of the failed MSM. And this thread is hilarious:
It is a leader, Pelosi, being called onto the carpet as some planet messiah, ie total egotist, deluded, narcisstic, pick your adjective, and people like Emily are so shallow and biased to even begin to get the point.
Was it a UMM professor who openly debased the host? Yet, he gets kid-glove treatment, proving Catholicism is the only religion that is welcomingly mocked by the MSM. This story, don’t DARE to deride someone claiming messiah status like Pelosi, shows all Christians arent far behind.
Emily: this interview is about a ton of Americans laughing their butts off at the recent Pelosi hilarity. One need only compare the treatment of Gingrich circa 1995 to realize the depth of our MSM decline.
And Emily, when you post this drivel, we laugh at you as well.
Liberals clearly lack spatial depth in their thinking, this story didnt require a big leap to connect the dots.
Les, as I commented in the thread in which this discussion was taking place, neither Richard nor Parthian has lectured me on my tone. So, since it’s so important to you, you can lecture them. But don’t be surprised if the fact that you’re a hypocrite on that is pointed out.
He He..
Spew on hypocrit.
How many McCain points do you get for pushing that bogus “messiah” theme on Democrats 6DJ?
The only people with messianic delusions is the rw fanatics.
“this interview is about a ton of Americans laughing their butts off at the recent Pelosi hilarity. ”
That’s true 6DJ, but not in the way that you think.
OT—House members run every two years. Darlin’ Michele is running (and declining debates) for re-election this fall.
Apparently the supposed “Pelosi as Messiah” theme is a dog whistle that can only be heard by adoring conservative white males—like 6DJ.
And again, how many “messiahs” can there be at any one time? Obama and Pelosi are BOTH messiahs? Perhaps the good Father McCain can clarify, but this seems theologically suspect as well…..
Apparently use of the word “save” is what pricks the ears of those who can hear the dog whistle, like Darlin Michele and her slobbering pup, 6DJ.
Save the planet! Messiah! Arf! Arf!
Like Pelosi said, we do need an energy policy that will save the planet, particularly one that will save the now seriously at risk 11,000 year old stable climate, a climate that was perfectly in equilibrium when Darlin’ Michele’s above referenced Messiah was down here walking on water—-or something.
Darlin’ Michele—God helps those that help themselves. Write that one into the margins of your Bible.
The amazing thing here is the fact that those criticizing the comment are totally ignoring who the audience was, as usual. Let’s see, now, would she mention religion while talking to a group sponsored by the “Christian American News Network:….nah,, she’d talk about raising horses or something more apporpriate for the audience.
OT, if anyone had “evidence” it’d be a story. Laurie Coleman hasn’t lived in the same home as Norm since before he became a senator. I guess we’ll just have to wait until someone from the MSM is willing to camp out in front of his house until 3am to find out.
Just keep your eyes closed and your ears covered as usual - I think you’ll be much happier that way. By the way, there’s a great remedial online 7th grade social studies course you can take to learn the difference between a senator and a representative.
Les, it’s called PANDERING and in this case, it was shameless, over the top pandering. Plus she’s making it clear that she believes that the Lord will return any day now, so we don’t need to be concerned about the environment. Is that the kind of person you want in Washington?
Hey mugs2575.. our forefathers came to this country to escape relgious percecution from the church of england. They established the separation of church and state to prevent the government from integrating with the church allowing the church to mandate law. This has nothing to do with expressing personal relgious beliefs. You and everyone else in public office or not has the right to express each unique view of the world, which is what makes our system so powerful. INCOURAGE DEBATE, DONT SUPRESS IT!!
Why is it that republican means christian these days? Please don’t confuse the two. So, I’ll be honest, I haven’t even heard of Bachmann, but agruing that global warming isn’t a problem because Jesus already saved the planet isn’t really an intelligent debate that we should encourage. Yes politicians DO have the right to express their opinions, but nonsensical opinions lead to disillusionment with the political party they are affiliated with.
That doesn’t make Pelosi right in her statements that she wants to save the planet. I would suggest that if we republicans want to gain more credibilty we should try (at least in the public spotlight) to make arguments based more on science and less on religion. For instance, she could have raised doubts about Pelosi’s statement far more convincingly had she talked about global climate change cycles or solar flares. I’m all for keeping your religious beliefs and believing in whatever it is you want to, but speaking out publically and saying “Jesus already saved the planet” or “I’m hot for jesus” basically alienates people who don’t hold those beliefs and further creates a bipartisan country that is divided.
Well SgtPendleton–If you are a christian but rarely speak from a christian perspective, what has happened to your ’salt’?
What does James Watt, the alleged Christian Scholar, the Cadillac Fool, and Bachman, have to do with Christ?
John Paul II would have done much better had he removed the hellish pedophiles from the priesthood–by the way Jesus most emphatically told us not to call anyone on earth ‘father’.
Many people are not at all confused about your faith, because they know Jesus personally.
The attitude here is demonstrated in your remarks. If they do not express their faith within the parameters approved by you and others on here, then they must be condemned and marginalized.
Men think, God laughs. “I don’t think . . . .” You said it well!
Do you realize that you are ‘participating’ in “filthy politics” by being here!
6th district Jim—Take hop Jim—Note the announcement on D. J. Tice, with his record:Pioneer Press, Twin Cities Reader, TWA, Vanished Enterprises, and hard to find books, the BQ should soon disappear into the Synaptic Black Hole of Leftist Non-Think!!
Dear Parthian—The “God helps those. . . . ” will have to be ‘added'’ to the margin cause it ain’t in Scripture—-another example of “leftist argument”—-if the facts donn’t fit, make something up
Dear Parthian—
The “God helps those. . . . ” will have to be ‘added'’ to the margin cause it ain’t in Scripture—
-another example of “leftist argument”—-if the facts don’t fit, make something up
mugs2575 -
No where in our constitution or in the Federalist Papers can you find the phrase “separation of church and state”. This so called separation does not exist. What the founding fathers did not want was a “national” religion ala Great Britain at the time. Why do you think they opened sessions of Congress with a prayer? Why is “In God We Trust” on our currency?
People in this country need to learn the true meaning of the Constitution by reading it, not some watered down press version….
People, if our founding fathers were alive today, they would start a new revolution against the very government that has emerged from what they established back in the 1780’s. When are we going to wake up and take back our country?
Thank you Aepeon for that charming anti-Catholic diatribe. You attack my beliefs because I don’t wear them on my sleeve - kind of ironic that you mention my “salt” - but that was probably lost on you (were you homeschooled?). No, I don’t shove my faith down the throats of friends, acquaintences and strangers- only those who express an interest. See, I respect the beliefs of others, even if I don’t agree with them. But you’re obviously the type of person who ignores 1,800 years of Christian philosophy and believes everyone else is going to hell except you.
Here we go on the whole Church vs. State thing again - D2, did you recruit a bunch of KK flunkies to come over here and post? BigB must ahve been homeschooled…Check out the 14th amendment as well as the writings of Thomas Jefferson. That’s a good place to start.
SgtPendleton
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No one shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
I see not separation of church and state in this, the exact wording of the 14th Amendment.
I was not homeschooled, but I can think for myself and although Thomas Jefferson had slightly differing views than the majority of the founding fathers, he too used prayer and references to God in his writings and speeches.
Rather than trying to insult those with whom you do not agree with, I suggest you do your homework and get the facts straight.
BigB, if our founding fathers were alive today (aside from being very very old), they’d be p1ssed that black people aren’t slaves anymore and that women can vote and work outside the home.
I’m not sure of your reading comprehension level, so I’ll explain the 14th amendment to you. It basically states that all people are entitled to equal treatment by the government. Sounds fair, right?
Yet by showing a preference towards one religion (i.e. Christianity), the government effectively fails to provide equal protection to citizens of different religions, or even those who choose not to have a religion.
Anyway, you express your concern about this and that’s cool…So it sounds like you’re going to be voting for Obama? He’s promising to extend Bush’s faith-based initiatives if he’s elected.
Response to mugs2575’s post at 4:38 pm:
SgtP-
I agree of equal protection but it does not state that in government proceedings, buildings, schools etc that religion must be left out - regardless of the faith. I am all for having a moment of silence everyday or call it individual prayer time in schools. Those that spout separation of church and state want Christianity out of schools but embrace the Koran being taught under the false pretense of diversity.
I am a Libertarian and will be voting for Bob Barr. I want the government out of my life and give me back my God given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; unencumbered by the overbearing, big-brother federal government.
I agree with the founding fathers in not allowing the women to vote. Studies have shown women vote with their emotions and not with logic. I know that will upset a great many, but if you look at history, the US started becoming a nanny state once women were afforded that right. One entitlement after another has been put in place costing me 30% of my wages each and every year.
One last note - Christianity is a group of religions and not a specific religion. No where do the founding fathers name Jesus or any specific church, they just mention God - which is pretty generic.
“nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
That’s the equal protection clause. Guess you missed that part.
With regard to “exact wording” - show me where the Constitution says I can’t pirate DVDs, or buy and sell illegal drugs, or that it’s illegal to destroy government property. It’s not there explicitly, BigB, it’s implied by other articles and amendments. Yet those things are certainly illegal.
I can pray and believe in God too, but I work for a company who has responsibilities to lots of people of all faiths. So when I’m at work, I follow their rules and let my personal faith remain personal.
Same goes for government — it has responsibilites to protect the rights of people of all faiths, so the beliefs of an individual faith don’t belong there…even if the guiding principles of the government are based on them.
Let me put it to you another way. Suppose in 50 years there are more Muslims in Minnesota than Christians. Would you object if they passed a law requiring all children to say, “Allahu Akbar!” before starting their school day? It sounds ridiculous to us, but that’s what it’s like for non-Christian citizens who live here now.
Martha Stewart would say: Equal protection - it’s a good thing.
Yeah…at first I wanted to point out that your statement about the Koran was a generalization…but then I read the rest of your post. Clearly you’d be more comfortable in the 1700s than today, so I don’t see any point in continuing this discussion with an insane person.
Jeez, where are all the wingnuts coming from? Someone must have posted this blog on one of those wacko crazy extremist sites…like anncoulter.com
SgtP -
You have strayed a long way from the separation of church and state debate. Equal protection is a good thing. Pirating copyrighted or patented materials is against the LAW but was not part of the Constitution. A HUGE difference. The Constitution is the framework for the laws, the boundaries per se. Laws which make those things illegal, are written and passed by legislative bodies and signed by the executive branch of that level of government.
The law you hypothesize would be struck down as unconstitutional due to the First Amendment.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
By forcing everyone to say that, it would be establishing Islam as the state religion. Until that amendment was removed by the constitutional process, that law would never see the light of day.
Finally, your premise about comparing society and government to your workplace is also misguided. The workplace belongs to your employer, the government and all its offices, schools and functions belong to the citizens of this country. As a private citizen, your employer can have more restictive or less restrictive policies to govern your behavior. That job you go to everyday belongs to your employer and not to you so it is good you respect the wishes of the company.
Man, when you go trawling with the Darlin’ Michele nets you pull up some pretty crazy looking fish!
Not that that should surprise anyone….but welcome to the black hole of BQ, new posters!
Apeon, glad you got the “margins” joke!
And BigB, one of the main reasons that the Founders didn’t “mention” Jesus too much is that most of them were Deists, not Christians.
God comes before Government:
Final Analysis
Revelation Chapter 6
First Seal: The Conqueror
Second Seal: Conflict on Earth
Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth
Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth
Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs
Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances
Revelation Chapter 7
The Sealed of Israel
A Multitude from the Great Tribulation
Revelation Chapter 8
Seventh Seal: Prelude to the Seven Trumpets
First Trumpet: Vegetation Struck
Second Trumpet: The Seas Struck
Third Trumpet: The Waters Struck
Fourth Trumpet: The Heavens Struck
Revelation Chapter 9
Fifth Trumpet: The Locusts from the Bottomless Pit
Sixth Trumpet: The Angels from the Euphrates
SgtP -
Again, when you have nothing better to say you insult. I am very sane.
By the way - no where in a public school is anyone starting their day with a Christian prayer, so how are Muslims feeling offended?
Any more insults you want to sling my way?
(By the way, I hope others see that I have not insulted SgtP in anyway. He has opinion and the right to espouse it. I respect that.)
parthian-
Very true- they were deists. Which just bolsters my point. Whenever anyone mentions God, they are immediately pegged as right wing Christians. Jews have a God, deists have a God, Muslims have a God, and many off beat religions have a God. God is not the sole property of Christians.
BigB: “That job you go to everyday belongs to your employer and not to you so it is good you respect the wishes of the company.”
I’m glad you told me. As of tomorrow, I’m deciding that all the girls in my office must show up topless and I will look to expand our operations into the coal mining industry so I can better utilize cheap child labor. This will be fantastic.
Man, looks like there’s a lot of trumpet parts on the Day of Wrath!
Where’s the tenor sax?
BigB: “Whenever anyone mentions God, they are immediately pegged as right wing Christians.”
I’d love to disagree with that, Big B but I cannot. Unfortunately, that is often the case, especially with the more vocal opposition you run into. I would suggest to you however, that this vocal group tends to be the minority. I’m of the opinion that most people let a passing mention of God (whichever one you wish to pick) go in one ear and out the other with little notice.
It is when people don’t simply mention God, but choose to forge a platform from which to cram their version of God down anyone’s throat that is within earshot that you start to encounter a backlash from the group of folks that include guys like me.
I don’t know you, so I don’t know where you fall on that scale, and it really doesn’t matter. That’s just the way I believe that particular piece of the landscape to be.
I love it when a politician is bold enough to stand up for Jesus, even when it’s in a very small way, making a comparison between a loony woman who THINKS she (and her demented party) is the salvation of the world and the One who actually is.
I also love it when the godless belch out their hateful replies, suggesting that the Bible, in which Jesis foretold their scorn, is dead wrong about everything with which they disagree.
But my favorite thing of all is when the nutsacks fretfully fly from their couches, stumbling across the rubble-strewn reaches of their computer rooms to scream something ignorant about the separation of church and state. Oh, what an amusement it is to see them ignore the expression clause. This joy’s only peer is the glee with which the entirely fail to understand the difference between a politician saying “I love Jesus” and the government making Christianity the official state religion.
Now that you clowns have entertained us all, kindly retreat back to your porn sites and your bottles of beer. Pretend to be free thinkers, yes, continue the charade, but do keep your pig-ignorant whines to yourself.
Jay-
Thanks for taking my comments and applying the extreme to them. If you told all the girls that work for you that they had to wear mini skirts and and a particular low cut blouse, you could. But then you may not have many that stay working for you, but that would be your choice, and theirs.
Many companies require uniforms - from Hooters to AT&T cellular. Not an issue or a restriction of anyones rights.
I too fall on the same place on the scale as you. In one ear and out the other. Just don’t force your religion on me or surpress mine.
Michele is a tremendous person of grit
& character. Those who make fun of her statement about being hot for God are limited in their understanding of
good old talk jargon which is interpreted being compassionate about something. When your heart has been touched by the love of Jesus, you will speak of His love & your committment to Him. In regards to the earth…we are to be stewards, be orderly in all things, but to think we are going to save the planet is right down ignorant.
We need to constantly change but not at the expense of causing suffering for human life…..I remember everyone getting so up in the air over the ice age coming, the ozone changing, the ocean floor/waves causing changes, the year 2000 coming, & now the climate change….how ridiculous are we going to get…..we are so lopsided…..
We do need to get oil independent from Opec & as old as I am there hasn’t been a democrat or a republican president who has done anything to change it….Kay
“Thanks for taking my comments and applying the extreme to them.”
Get used to that, if you wish to post here with any frequency. It seems to be a hobby of many, not just me.
“Just don’t force your religion on me or surpress mine.”
We certainly seem to be in agreement on that much. I would add ‘don’t use my tax dollars to fund either one.’ I’m as irritated by public money going to charter schools with Muslim-oriented ciriculum as I would be if it was going to fund my Catholic church’s school.
Jay -
I believe we do agree on much. I too am against funding of any kind that promotes any religion, with one caveat.
I am for school vouchers so if you want to send your child to a religious school of your choice then so be it. Free market will weed out the unsuccessful schools. (I am fully prepared for that backlash on this one too!)
Islam is the answer 
guerdis: “I love it when a politician is bold enough to stand up for Jesus”
Fine enough notion…..except that Bachman (in this case) wasn’t ’standing up’ for anyone. Jesus was in no way under attack. The question was about energy policy and the screwed up priority list of Nancy Pelosi. A representative with any sense would have been able to use that opportunity to outline the many faults with her energy agenda, and actually serve to inform people of the issues.
Instead we get “Jesus already saved the planet.” Come again? I need someone in Congress who wants to get behind legislation of substance. “Jesus already saved the planet” is a fine belief, its just not a very practical energy policy.
Like many people, I dislike Michelle Bachmann because she is bad at her job, not because she’s religious. My mother is religious and I wouldn’t vote for her either, although she’s certainly as qualified as Bachmann.
Sorry that I had a brainfa*t on the 2yr term thing. I realize neither Sarge nor Parth ever make mistakes so I don’t expect them to understand.
On another note, did you hear, everyone knows that Sgt Pendleton has sex with preteen boys. After all, he has never denied and speaks in a certain tone.
There, with just as much intelligence and evidence that sarge displayed, I have posted on this blog, an outrageous, uncalled for and idiotic lie, backed up by absolutely nothing. Whattya think, sarge?
OT-
I am sorry to see you stoop to his level. Have strength and get teflon coated clothes, let it all slide off you……
BigB: “Free market will weed out the unsuccessful schools.”
I don’t have the same opinion on school vouchers. Then again, I am also a strong believer in the public school system……possibly because I did not attend a metropolitan area school and neither will my kids.
When I was in college, the kids coming out of private schools seemed to struggle to maneuver through the real world as well as those of us savages that the public school system cranked out. I am of the belief that public school forces kids to learn how to pee standing up. If you want to send your kid to a special school, it should be on your dime. No different than hockey camp.
I don’t understand why you’re so angry OT, that’s what I think.
Your “example” is offensive and completely unwarranted.
Did you know that it’s a felony to falsely accuse someone of abuse when they’re involved with a custody hearing?
Well, I guess we’re seeing the “real” OT now.
What if I want to send my kid to one of the non-metropolitan public schools but could not afford to move there? Why not let the tax money spent on my kid in the metro school be sent to the outlying school instead if that is where I want them to go.
Think of it this way, what hockey camps grow and attract the best coaches and players? The ones that put out the best product. Same would happen with schools.
Look at all the non-religious private colleges and universitys. The ones that provide the best education are the ones everyone wants to get into and survive. The others just fade out of existance.
If vouchers were a reality, I would be one of the first to open a school and run it as a business. Pay for performance and recruit the best staff. Make a little money along the way. That my friend is the American way.
who is involved in a custody hearing? wtf ru talking about.
Just wondering, sarge- why is it okay for you to post that “(everyone knows that Coleman stays with his mistress in DC anyway” with absolutley not one shred of evidence but I cannot post that you do unspeakable things with boys? Did you get confused and theink you were the NY Times? Is it because he is a republican, is it because he is not here on this site to see it and defend himself….why? Think before you post lies and innuendo next time. I realize I posted an extreme and possibly ludicrous accusation- do you realize you spread a unsubstantiated accusation also?
Sorry BigB, but I am sick of these libs just running around throwing accusations and lies about people. Look at any post of parthidiots for an example. I know the msm gives them this feeling of invincibilty since they do the same but it doesn’t make it right.
Jay says:
Fine enough notion…..except that Bachman (in this case) wasn’t ’standing up’ for anyone. Jesus was in no way under attack. The question was about energy policy and the screwed up priority list of Nancy Pelosi. A representative with any sense would have been able to use that opportunity to outline the many faults with her energy agenda, and actually serve to inform people of the issues.
Actually, I’ve read the link, jay and you fall into the cesspool of stupidity
that is Emily and her leftie ilk on this blog.
The story is that MB was returning to DC to join the “need to drill” protest. She simply pointed out the utter stupidity of Pelosi and her “save the planet” rhetoric. Rather grandiose, n’cest pas?
Emily, like the laughable “journalists” who give Edwards a free pass, somehow twist this into some huge Jesus angle, which it wasnt.
It WAS a “pelosi is stupid” angle. A generation ago, a real media jumped on John Lennon for his “more popular than Jesus” egotism.
Today, pelosi can pontificate utter nonsense without a hint of media rebuke.
End of story: National Enquirer is setting the journalistic standards of the here and now, what a nosedive for our derelict media…….
I have a Democrat Congressional Representative. After reading so much about her, I ask him about Michelle Bachman. He said that he really admired her. If this Democrat Representative respects her, she must be a great representative for her district. You are lucky to have such a person as your representative.
I have a Democrat Congressional Representative. After reading so much about her, I ask him about Michele Bachmann. He said that he really admired her. If this Democrat Representative respects her, she must be a great representative for her district. You are lucky to have such a person as your representative.
Well, Pelosi is quite clear that it’s the energy policy (to be voted on by many reps) that will save the planet, not any particular person—it’s only the Christian religious folk (like Darlin’ Michele) who think that some individual god/man has “saved” the planet, and that nothing need be done after him…..Pelosi isn’t saying she’s “saving the planet”, slobbering Jim.
Second, the planet’s climate is on the absolute edge of the irreversible tipping point, according to the climate expert that has run NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies for 20 years, James Hansen.
Unless a very serious attempt to cut back on our CO2 emissions is enacted in the term of the next president, then the planet’s climate will pass the tipping point, and the average surface temperature will be certain to increase to such a degree that we will essentially have “an entirely different planet”, in his words.
So Pelosi’s rhetoric about “saving the planet” is dead-on accurate, despite what the ignorant wingnuts (religious and otherwise) commenting today may foolishly “believe”, and they believe alot of absolute nonsense and garbage.
BTW, did Darlin’ Michele put out “the word” that she needed some “support” on this BQ thread?
What brings all you Bachmannites to BQ?
Welcome all.
why not get the info directly from the horse’s as*’s mouth?
pelosi on abc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUx6o9qpYY
In response to the first comment listed, from mugs2575, the phrase “separation of church and state” is not found either in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Rather, it is taken out of a letter written in 1802 (15 years after the Constitution was written) from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury (Connecticut) Baptists. They had written to him expressing concern that “religious privileges” they enjoyed were seen as “favors granted” rather than “inalienable rights.” Jefferson in response said that the legislature had been instructed by the people to “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.” The context of this letter clearly shows that the purpose of the now-oft-referred-to “wall of separation” was actually to protect the church and its free exercise of religion from intrusion by the state, NOT to protect the state from intrusion by the church.
Any honest study beyond a cursory glance of the writings/speeches of our founding fathers will confirm this. Our first President, George Washington, declared in his first inaugural address: “It would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States, a government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes. . .” In Washington’s Farewell Address, he further expounded: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. . .And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. . .Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
If mugs2575 is correct, we need to inform George Washington, who presided over the Constituional Convention, that he didn’t really understand the Constitution after all.
OMG!
now Parth quotes the man probably most beholden to grant money: James Hansen!!
Is there any clown you wont cling to, Parth?
This guy was making these claims 20 years ago, and America is now having a below average year for temperatures.
Gee, I wonder why people laugh at this guy?
Even the PP relegated his appearance to the deep pages.
No wonder the clown parth supports the clown Pelosi and money grubbers like Hansen and gore……
parth, you are too funny.
…..Pelosi isn’t saying she’s “saving the planet”, slobbering Jim.
Watch OT’s link with your own lyin’ eyes clown-child.
Why do you post such patently false stuff day in and day out?
Climb out of your garbage dumpster and take a truth shower, just once, try it.
While Obama is vacationing, Russia has invaded Georgia.
This crisis gives us a great example of who is ready to lead.
The man who looked into Putin’s eyes and saw the letters “KGB” or the man off lounging on a beach? The man who stated firmly to Russia that there will be serious repercussions or the man who stated that both sides should be nicer to each other?
God bless John McCain!
OT is this how you treat people who say nice things about you?
Do you really thing that adultery and sexual abuse are on par with each other?
About the law - do you realize you may have just committed a felony?
Ah…my apologies: it’s only a misdemeanor:
609.507 FALSELY REPORTING CHILD ABUSE.
A person is guilty of a misdemeanor who:
(1) informs another person that a person has committed sexual abuse, physical abuse, or
neglect of a child, as defined in section 626.556, subdivision 2;
(2) knows that the allegation is false or is without reason to believe that the alleged abuser
committed the abuse or neglect; and
(3) has the intent that the information influence a child custody hearing.
I wonder how important #3 is?
As a police officer, you show know better than to make light of these kinds of things.
Rather presumptuous of McCain since he isn’t president yet. There isn’t anything McCain can do. Doesn’t look like there’s much Bush can do either. Bellicosity is no more than hot air.
The crisis gives us a great example of how lobbyists have control over McCain’s foreign policy.
Cheap shot. While oil is given for human usage, same as milk and honey - the Jesus quip is a joke upon humanity. Ask who’s adherants killed off more innocent humans than any other source in history - and the picture gets a decidedly different shade of dark. HC freaks should attend the WMD cast by the Middle-easterners who call the Jerusalem temple a myth - this knocks the gospels on its head, because it says no Jesus entered that temple. Ve Vere Not Avare Silence on the pivotal issues will not get you salvation nor 70 vestal virgins. Oils ain’t oils.
If anyone needs some help sarge, it is you. I commited no felony, no misdemeanor either. Immediately after posting my false rumor, I say it is a false rumor, in the next sentence. No one took my thing seriously whereas someone reading yours may read it and attribute it as a fact. I was going to say you molest border collies, perhaps you would have prefered that instead.
It is also telling that you still feel no remorse about stating a rumor you made up yourself and trying to play it off as a fact.
michelle does not understand the world past her upturned nose.
Jesus was a liberal
liberal doses of compassion
liberal doses of love
liberal doses of fairness
yet He resides in a book that means well, but that since it portends the future, it has been easily interpreted in many ways[do you know Hebrew?], none anymore right than any others and also has arguably been the force behind way too many armies. Maybe it’s human nature to fight for territory, but why use the Bible as ammunition?
Psa 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psa 14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
Psa 14:5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
OT, I assure you that I didn’t make up any rumor. If you got your news from anywhere other than Fox News and your right-wing extremist blogs, you’d have heard about it too. That said, I admitted that it’s just a rumor and it may very well be untrue.
You are such an angry person OT — I’m sure much of it comes from your job. But you need to find a healthier way to channel it other than directing it at the “liberal media” or even this stupid blog.
Hey CNC, does it matter that Georgia attacked first? Or that the Georgian’s won’t honor the will of the 99% of the people in Abkhazia or South Ossetia to form their own democratic republic? It’s not such a simple problem that “Putin is a bad guy”
Imagine if the Soviet Union hadn’t broken up and Mexico was trying to join the Warsaw Pact — do you think we’d tolerate them attacking US troops in any way? Of course not. Russia’s doing the same thing.
We’ve been chipping away at their sphere of influence since Clinton. It’s a stupid strategy considering Russia has vast amounts of nuclear weapons (not to mention oil). The Russians find it humiliating that NATO has expanded into the former Soviet Union. Russians have been dealing with Islamic fundamentalists for over 30 years - they could be a great strategic ally in the War on Terror, but we haven’t taken them seriously since 1991.
…and that my friend is a very conservative viewpoint.
mjimih: “Jesus was a liberal”
….had long hair, wore sandles…..sounds plausible.
I think that’s plausible…although MB’s pastor friend Mac Hammond believes that Jesus was a rich guy who wore fancy clothes. He also thinks that you’ll get wealthy if you donate money to his church…but that’s another story.
I think I am going to start a church too. Everyone go ahead and send me money.
“But we have a planet to save. We have an economy to grow.”
“We”, collectively. Are we all “messiahs” now, slobbering Jim?
And these sentences are embedded within a lengthy discussion about creating bipartisan support for a comprehensive energy plan, and not just another public land give-away to BigOil, which is all Repub neanderthals like 6DJ can understand.
Anyway, it’s hardly a “messiah-like” comment, despite the slobberings of Darlin’ Michele and her lapdog 6DJ, and quite appropriate for the situation we find ourselves in—facing an irreversible tipping point in CO2 emissions which which massively alter the world’s 11,000 year old stable climate.
What would Jesus do? We’ll never know. But we do know that a great many of his 21st century “followers” apparently would prefer to ignore scientific reality (as explained by their nation’s responsible government agency) like their dimwit conservative white male brethren, and instead mindlessly scream “False Messiah!!” when unexceptional rhetoric (and incidental at best) is used by Pelosi.
What an appalling party of poison-brained pinheads, scammers and buffoons, and why the country (and unfortunately the planet) are now doomed to massive damage and decline.
Bushco’s years of mindlessly provoking Russia (and perhaps the advice of certain McCain advisors) have now borne fruit—-Russia has demonstrated that it won’t accept whatever the neocons decide to throw at it anymore.
Our foreign policy towards Russia has been wildly reckless, as befits Bushco. Now it is in tatters, as is our relationship with Russia, whom we need for nuclear proliferation security, war on terror cooperation and energy.
Pinheaded jingoist militarism (McRube: “We’re all Georgians now!”) remains the order of the day. Perhaps Cheney can get us involved in actually shooting at Russian troops beofre he leaves office, something that all previous presidents had sensibly managed to avoid. But there’s always Dingus (”On to Georgia!!”) McRube to take over the insane BushAmerica democracy “projects”.
What a nation of idiots—of idiots, by idiots, for corporations.
Jay that was already done by L. Ron Hubbard…good business to be in I think.
Parthian, I find myself agreeing with you again on the issue of Georgia. Did you know that one of the guys running McCain’s campaign is a lobbyist for Georgia? That scares the he11 out of me.
History speaks volumes on the Kavkaz region — primarily it tells us not to fight the Russians on their own turf.
As a former teacher I am constantly amazed how those on both sides of the “aisle” use the seperation of church and state issue without any understanding of what it really was all about. I am also intrigued by those who go after Christianity who obviously have no intelligent concept of what they are talking about. Isn’t the idea to research the subject you oppose or support before you inject yourself into the debate? I’m afraid for far too many the attitude is don’t confuse the debate with the facts.
I’ve decided to stop worrying whether people are confused about the issues or not - it’s a losing battle.
What would Jesus do? We’ll never know. But we do know that a great many of his 21st century “followers” apparently would prefer to ignore scientific reality (as explained by their nation’s responsible government agency) like their dimwit conservative white male brethren, and instead mindlessly scream “False Messiah!!” when unexceptional rhetoric (and incidental at best) is used by Pelosi.
What an appalling party of poison-brained pinheads, scammers and buffoons, and why the country (and unfortunately the planet) are now doomed to massive damage and decline.
As I just posted on the last thread,
Parth (the clown-child who rules over his basement with his plastic Jedi Sword) and his ilk are perplexingly funny about our one and ONLY gov’t.
They on the one hand think gov’t is evil (domestic spying, Iraq war, US atty nonscandals).
Conversely, they think gov’t is pure genius (NASA climate clowns, or Exxon lawsuit plaintiffs, or messiah Pelosi despite her 500 BIL deficit).
You can’t have it both ways, I can only imagine clown-child’s comments if Repubs were in charge of this budget fraud, or mortgage bailout mess…..
Fortunately, Parth, like Blainy, is mainly a creation of this simple website, and while amusing, is totally innocuous and harmless beyond these pages.
We are all religious pin heads. Because no matter what your beliefs are they are religious. Because you have a world view which gives you a religion. Four questions one has to ask is. 1. What is the orgin of life? 2. What gives life meaning? 3. How do I arrive at my morals and ethics? 4. What happens to me when I die? Every worldview (religion) has to answer these four basic questions. So welcome to the pinhead plant.
As always, simpleton slobbering Jim can’t draw distinctions and seems to think our federal government (of three separate branches) is “one” monolithic entity. Nor has he ever been able to understand that each separate action or statement by government officials can be evaluated on its own for accuracy and legality.
But he never really did grow up and was likely given special grades by teacher relatives when painfully laboring away in school, so these areas of blind ignorance have always been indulged.
Nor does he understand that Repubs WERE solely in charge of the “budget fraud” until 2006, increasing the national debt by over $3 trillion before the Dems took control of Congress in early 2007. Since that time, the usual problem of ineffective divided government, with Bush vetoing Dem budgets and proposed spending, while demanding his massive military spending, has continued the problem.
As for the mortgage bailout, the Repubs ran the show utterly while that catastrophe of Repub regulation failure grew into the present tsunami, and the limited response so far has been bipartisan and led largely by Bush’s Repub Wall Street Treasury Secretary and Repub Fed Chief. So Repubs were “in charge” of these disasters, especially Repub Bernanke—appointed by Bushco.
Doing nothing in the face of financial meltdown was the action “taken” (so to speak) by conservative Repubs in the early years of the Great Depression, and most economists today think that was a big mistake. Hence the limited bipartisan Housing Bailout Bill that was recently passed, largely at the behest of the nation’s bankers, who got us into this mess.
The ongoing federal budget disaster is going to get much larger before it gets better, now that we have been dragged into a massive recession by reckless conservative Repubs—the party that wrecked the country. Years of tax cuts everywhere, spending boondoogles for all, especially militarists, and 6DJ thinks Repubs are the ones to turn to fix their mess–that’s cretinous.
We’ll have to raise taxes on the wealthy (like 6DJ) and attempt to make cuts where we can, while using infrastructure building and government spending to try to get the economy moving again. It will be very, very difficult as a result of the huge levels of US personal debt, high crude oil prices (which are certainly here to stay) and the high level of national debt caused by crazed Repub militarism and tax cuts of the past 8 years.
The obvious thing to do is raise taxes on the rich and corporations and make massive cuts in worthless military spending, while diverting spending to domestic infrastructure projects. But America’s beloved militarism probably means something that sensible is impossible.
Well, jbg, if you are going to define every “worldview” as a “religion”, then I guess (by definition) we are all “religious”.
But it’s not a very persuasive starting point to define the answer to be what you want it to be.
And it’s not really the point of this thread, but we’ll see if anyone wants to play games with you.
As I encounter challenges along the pathway of life, I always allow one simple question to help guide me…..W.W.E.D.?
What Would Elvis Do?
There’s older versions of that too -
WWJWD? What Would John Wayne Do?
WWHWD? What Would Hank Williams Do?
WWTRD? What Would Teddy Roosevelt Do?
Hey mugs,
Try reading the Constitution and Amendments for a change instead of spouting the same misrepresented junk so many other liberals spout off. The actual relevant text ACTUALLY reads:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Rep. Bachmann was not establishing religion. She was stating her viewpoint based on her personal religious faith and her God-granted and United States supported free exercise thereof.
Does it makes sense to mingle religion and politics? How can you not? Our morals and viewpoints are formed largely as part of our faith - even if it is an atheistic and humanistic faith. You’ve gotta have faith there IS no God to reject Christ after all, just as you have to have faith there IS a God to accept Him.
So, yeah, like some here intimated, a worldview is in essence a religion if that takes the place of a religious faith.
Since a leader’s faith will (or at least should) guide their morals and voting practices, then it is absolutely correct to allow that in the political sphere - all attempts to the contrary are simply an attempt to squash one view in favor of another which in my mind IS establishment of religion and/or denial of free exercise of one’s own.
Blah fcuking blah blah blah.
Someone please wake me up when this stupid separation argument is over.
JBG couldn’t be more correct on the issue. In fact he is understating the issue. I have noticed the very conspicuous absence of the use of “separation of SYNAGOGUE (MOSQUE etc) and state” by those of the anti- Christian persuasion.
The principle is separation of RELIGION and state, although it is usually misapplied!
All people have religions, it is a simple fact of life. Although there are many who claim the exclusive right to determine which religions qualify as “church” in “separation of CHURCH and state” and which do not, namely their own religions, I.E. environmentalism, homosexuality, evolutionism/darwinism, feminism, secular humanism, abortionism, liberalism, etc.
Before you tell other people not to assert their religion in politics realize that many other religions have free reign in politics that you obviously endorse to your own hypocritical delight!
I do have some qualification on this issue as I have a BA degree in world religions.
As I encounter challenges along the pathway of life, I always allow one simple question to help guide me…..W.W.I.D.
What Would I Do?
parthian you’ve nailed it pretty good on this administrations treatment of Russia. I would like to add that it appears Russia has taken note of our misguided policy towards Kosovo and taken the precedent set there to annex the South Ossetia and Abkhazia regions of Georgia.
It is freedom of religion NOT freedom from religion. The Democrats of NO are really getting tiring. We need an end to the politics and someone who thinks of what is in the best interests of the country before they worry about what my party leader wants me to do. As a resident of Massachusetts, I am very aware of what happens once you lose representation.
“As a resident of Massachusetts, I am very aware of what happens once you lose representation.”
HA! Best comment of the day.
Parth writes a book……
Jim says:
Here’s the Cliff note version of Parth’s essay–
Democrats are not to blame for any problems
A. When they are in power
B. When they aren’t in power
Again:
Fortunately, Parth, like Blainy, is mainly a creation of this simple website, and while amusing, is totally innocuous and harmless beyond these pages.
This story is a good example of how liberals brand all Christians as nit-wits. Sometimes it is impossible to say anything to liberals without casting pearls before swine. Nanny Polutie is in the same league with Marx, Lenin, Obama, Madeline Murray O’Hare, and Margaret Sanger. They believe that we need them to lead us into all the wonderful ideas about saving the planet without God, saving women from having children and saving children who survive an abortion from having to live after being almost murdered. They also believe it is only through a political system without the creator that we can save a nation instituted upon the principle that all men are created. Their illogical premise that collective ignorance of truth is a ticket to any kind of solution to any problem is their brand. And they want to brand everyone else with the same Godless stamp. Nanny Polutie needs to get hot for Jesus!
Our nation was instituted on the principle that all men are created???
Nick you’re demonstrating all on your own what a nit-wit you are.
I am going to live by WWPND:
what would parthian not do.
I will live much like george costanza did when he became the most successful, I will live in complete opposite of parth- I would imagine that it’ll work out pretty well.
RE: “Jesus was a liberal
liberal doses of compassion
liberal doses of love
liberal doses of fairness”
Very liberal - to the Romans - as in ‘VE VERE NOT AVARE’?
It is fiction a Judean Jew would have been Liberal to Roman decrees of genocide. Over a Million of his kin said NO. Moses was a Liberal.
YOU SHALL NOT WITNESS THE BLOOD OF INNOCENSE AND REMAIN IDLE.
Here is my prediction for the dem convention: Since hillary has successfully got her name on the ballot today, thee will be some very inflamnatory video or evidence that will devesatate obamama. the video or whatever will somehow be attributed to republicans even though that makes no sense to release it at this point. but that is what hill tried a while ago with the michelle whitey tape, and it worked so she will try again.
who are these people- I am getting frightened.
OT, she’s going to leverage her delegates to take the VP spot by force. She owns a big piece of the swing vote, and Obama can’t win without her. Thanks to our dear VP Dick Cheney, Hillary knows that the office of VP has tons more power now than it did 8 years ago — hope you guys are ready for VP Hillary Clinton. She’ll make Cheney look like a wussy…and it will all be Dick Cheney’s fault.
Where in the hell are all these wingnutz coming from?
Michele’s base.
if obamama was smart, and he isn’t really, he would name his vp right now and not allow any shenanigans at the conv.
bachamann won mostly because wetterling was a one pony rodeo. sure , we all feel sorry for her but that doesn’t qualify her for an office.
very exciting womens beach volleyball olympic game right now. whoa- usa just won a tight one.
I find what “Annie” said in a previous response above very telling. I consider this funny, how many people responding here have glossed over what she said.
If the very Founders of this nation held such beliefs as she reiterated in her comment, then I say only the delusional can deny that the Founders were at least oriented towards God in some way. To say they created this notion of “separation between church and state” together, as a group, is preposterous.
Far be it from me to argue though. I’ll leave that up to the those who rant and rave on this thing called the blogosphere!
I also am not your typical WASP(White, Anglo-Saxon Protestant to quote a professor I once had). In fact, I only fit the Protestant part of the equation. I would still raise my hand in class naming myself a conservative.
OT I actually agree with you about Wetterling - she actually had to be convinced by the DFL to run. Initially she didn’t want to.
If Obama announced now and it WASN’T Hillary, Hillary’s people would for sure revolt at the convention - he’s got a very fine line to walk.
he shoul dhave done it already, then let their steam wear off in time for the conv.- now he is screwed because the clintons do not fight fair- this isn’t going to be pretty for him- although i will be laughing my arse off
Yes, “Gabholli,” the idea that our Founders wished to exclude God from the public square is quite preposterous. The quotations from George Washington represent just the tip of the iceberg in regard to the writings/actions that could be enumerated. For example, the first act of the first Congress in 1774 was a request for a minister to begin the session with prayer and also to lead the Congressmen in the reading of 4 chapters from the Bible. In 1782, Congress approved the printing of the first English language Bible to be printed in America. A Congressional endorsement was placed inside the new volume. During the Constitutional Convention itself (1787), Benjamin Franklin stated, “God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?. . .Without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.”
Then, in 1789, on the very day that the First Amendment was drafted, the Congress asked President Washington to declare a “day of public thanksgiving and prayer,” which he did, stating, “that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions. . .” One would have to assume that the Congress, not even one day removed from the drafting of the First Amendment, would clearly and unquestionably know what the original intent behind the First Amendment was and would therefore also know that their request for a national day of prayer was wholly appropriate and consistent with it.
It won’t be Hillary. All this hoo-ha about the tension between them is media created. She’s on board now. Bill and Hillary know their “place” in the party depends on a very strong showing for Obama at the convention and they’ll deliver.
I’m guessing it’s Kaine for VP although I’d like to see Dodd on the ticket.
Ted Strickland for VP. Very popular moderate from a battleground state (OH). Hillary will be Senate majority leader, replacing Reid. Those are my predictions. The re-do of the primary at the convention is just stage craft. There will be an overwhelming show of unity behind Obama.
OT: “Who are these people–I am getting frightened”.
Well, you should. And it’s oblivious conservative white males like you who are giving power to them by voting for their “conservative” religious fundamentalist candidates like Darlin’ Michele and George Bush. So when you happily slam Pelosi for perfectly reasonable comments about “having a planet to save”, these are the folks YOU are enabling. Great thinking.
These people want a Christian theocracy as their form of government—that’s what all this fevered “separation” hubbub is about. Judges deciding cases by praying, teachers reading the bible to high schoolers, Presidents deciding to invade countries based on “scripture” and “God” talking to him in the Rose Garden outhouse.
They get their email trees filled with fake “history” about the first amendment and think that a theocracy is what we had under George Washington—a man who wouldn’t take communion, or Thomas Jefferson, who cut all the “miracles” out of his bible because he found them too embarrassing to countenance.
So, great work OT and the rest of you doltish conservative white males—Darlin’ Michele’s base are YOUR political allies, whether you’ve thought it through or not.
I would still raise my hand in saying the separation of church and state debate is boring, tired, and old - wingnutz go home.
If Hillary becomes majority leader, I think she’d do a better job of seeking compromise than Reid — but I really don’t believe she’s going to settle for that. Say what you will about the Clintons - they’re both incredibly intelligent and shrewd.
Yes they are SgtP and that’s why they know they need to unite around Obama.
The PUMA’s are a dying breed.
they’re both incredibly intelligent and shrewd
And that’s exactly why the Majority Leader spot is a perfect fit for Hillary. Nobody on the planet is better at sheparding legislation through the process then her, and when it comes to the dog fights we’re likely to see in the House in the next few years, again, there’s nobody better.
“they’re both incredibly intelligent and shrewd.”
….and ruthless.
My guess is still Kathleen Sebelius for Obama’s VP choice. She is a rising star just like he is. Although a guy like Dodd may be a solid choice, I suspect Obama will want to stick with his mantra of ‘change’ and Dodd would be viewed as too much of an ‘existing establishment’ guy to fit. Just my opinion. This ticket will prioritize charisma and be geared toward youth as much as possible because that is the segment he is counting on.
the important thing is that no matter who is in the White House, Nancy Pelosi’s 15 minutes will be up.
parth- take a joke once in a while.
leave it to my liberal pal sarge to try to squelch others freedom of speech and tell them to leave. keep it up. also, sarge, hillary will not be vp, not a chance- she knows it too, thats why she is secretly leading this little revolt. if anything goes wrong on it, she will blame repubs and the msm will print it as gospel.
aahhh, dora wants cdodd to be vp? will he be completely sponsored by countrywide, bank of america and citibank or has he been cleared of all wrongdoing there?
whatever happened to nancy’s guarantee of the most transparent, honest, ethical and nonpartisan house in history? howz that workin out for ya?
McCain’s campaign is owned by lobbyists. The most honest and ethical candidate is a fraud. Howz that working for you OT? Oh wait, he’s a Republican so that’s okay.
you act like i worship mccain, i do not. but compared to the empty suit, telepromper-reading, dangerous, inexperienced, msm-lovechild messiah obabymama, i would not hesitate a second to vote for mccain.
i am sure that all of obama’s money is clean and without any strings attached, right, dora? nobody gets this much money, on either side, without promises and corruption in some form.
i am off today and will not be wasting this time here- talk to ya later.
empty suit?
Yeah, Harvard is known for picking empty suits as the President of the Harvard Law Review.
telepromper-reading?
We should be grateful for a candidate that can read a teleprompter. Although Obama doesn’t read the teleprompter much. He’s such a brilliant extemporaneous speaker, he doesn’t need the teleprompter much.
dangerous?
You mean like the candidate that first wanting to bomb Iran, then wants to invade Russia. You mean dangerous like that. When is McCain going to call for the mandatory conscription of all able bodied men and women? That’s what he’s going to need for all the wars he wants to wage.
inexperienced?
Yeah, like all the experience in the Bush administration has worked out for us. Honestly, you GOP’ers need to make up your minds. Do you want Washington insiders or outsiders in office?
msm-lovechild messiah obabymama?
Get used to saying, “President Obabymama”
Thank you Aepeon for that charming anti-Catholic diatribe–{So it is anti catholic to be against pedophiles–I C). You attack my beliefs because I don’t wear them on my sleeve–(NO–because they are in error) - kind of ironic that you mention my “salt” - but that was probably lost on you (were you homeschooled?–WERE U Schooled?–). No, I don’t shove my faith down the throats of friends, acquaintences and strangers- only those who express an interest. See, I respect–(U call your comments about me–who you do not know–RESPECTFUL) the beliefs of others, even if I don’t agree with them. But you’re obviously the type of person who ignores 1,800 years of Christian philosophy and believes everyone else is going to hell except you.–(It ain’t Christian Phil. that gets you to heaven–it is doing what He said)–If you understood the early church writers you would know—but you are more interested in your filthy ‘politics’ than truth….
As most leftists you ‘create’ a story, distort what others say, and then repeat it again and again and again, until the ‘lie’ becomes a ‘mantra of truth’—Hitler did it, (he is your first cousin), Stalin did it–another relative) and the Clinton’s are good at it also, but not as good as ‘Bama, who is so vague as to make Bill look like a forthright truthteller.
I am, against hierarchy (as was Jesus),
the strong oppressing the weak, stupid people in government, soulless corp., ignorance, killing unborn people, killing innocent people, and giving credence to cretins.
OT, our new expert on the inner workings of the Democrats. Did you know that your hatred of her - as well as others - is what drives her? That’s where she gets all her energy from. So the more you people hate on her, the more driven she becomes to succeed.
I’m going to guess that if she doesn’t try to force her way on to the ticket, she’ll try to sabotage Obama’s campaign so she can take another shot at it in 2012 — she’s assuming McCain’s going to be vulnerable in four years.
MY beliefs are in error? WOW did they teach you that in Witnessing for Christ 101? Nice salesmanship.
Step 1: Inform the potential convert that his beliefs are wrong.
Step 2: Explain that he is a sinner, and will go to hell.
If you think that Christianity is just about getting to heaven, you’ve missed the point. It’s people like you who give Christianity a bad name.
empty suit, telepromper-reading, dangerous, inexperienced, msm-lovechild messiah
Is that Obama in 2008 or W in 2000?
Is that Obama in 2008 or W in 2000?
Probably both, Although I reserve judgement of the “teleprompter” charge.
Well, no matter who gets elected, I hope he doesn’t do that little butt shaking dance that W debuted in Liberia and has been performing around the world…it’s awful.
LOL; The wonders of instant communications does have some drawbacks.
sarge, i didn’t realize you knew hillary too along with all of your other knowledge on everything in the world. how do you know what makes her tick? did she say this? if she did, i will let you in on a little secret- the clintons lie like a rug.
she wants power, she has always wanted power. the only reason she stuck with bill is because she has more power with him than without.
sarge- i guarantee you that if mccain loses this year, he will not be on the ticket in 2012. not a chance. the only reason he is on it this year is the msm destroyed everyone else in the running, so they could put mccain on the ticket and now they have turned on him too. even the rag, ny times after endorsing him for the primaries have been picking apart his every move.
if mccain loses this year, he will not be on the ticket in 2012.
Jebus Chri$t, I would hope not. McCain would closing in on 80 years old.
MSM destroyed everyone else? Not so much. The GOP’ers did themselves in with their ridiculous platform and policy positions.
OT it sounds as if you’re suffering from Clinton hatred syndrome. Unreasoning hatred of Clintons for running the best economy and balancing the budget. In short, you hate them because they make Reagan look like a dottering old fool.
well, sarge does say i have an anger issue. the main protaganists for me are liars, of which the clintons do certainly qualify. secondly, i do not care for corruption.
gotta go- see you tomorrow. off to anger management class, then to the gun range. i wonder which one works best?
Gun range works best for me OT. Have fun.
With respect to “separation of church and state” the Founders only put prohibitions on the national government establishing a state religion.
In no way did the Constitution put any restricitons on the individual states in establishing state religions. In fact, such outcomes were expected and several states did have established religions and tax payments were used to support churches and church schools.
All hail the one true God. We must begin work to make the one true God the official State God of Minnesota. Bobble heads and little flags and of course buttons will soon become available.
The provisions of the “establishment” clause of the first amendment were made applicable to the states via passage of the 14th Amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled that the states are bound by the establishment clause in the late 1940s. That’s the current rule.
Well at least we can teach intelligent design in the high school science classes. They haven’t taken that right away from us.
McDoof watch:
“In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations”. [Hoo Boy, someone needs to read the papers].
The Russian action in Georgia is “the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war”. [Someone hasn’t memorized their Neocon 101 catechism….paging Bill Kristol, paging Bill Kristol….]
Why do you think we call him McDoof? Ready to Blather!
“the “establishment” clause of the first amendment were made applicable to the states via passage of the 14th Amendment.”
And, that is the case. But the critical thing that you are now admitting to is that “separation” meant something completely different and that the Founders would never have agreed with the way it is interepted now. The Constitution clearly prohibits the establishment of a national church.
Incorporation of the 1st Amendment meant that states would also not be allowed to establish a religion at their political level.
However, this does not mean that a state must be intolerant of religion, including support of religious schools because these practices continued even after incorporations.
I didn’t “admit” to anything concerning the Founders intent–I informed you of the current state of the law.
As with all conservative white males, I think your supposed “history” is highly suspect. Especially concerning the Founders intent, which is a cottage industy of crappy, tendentious, dubious “scholarship” on the Right.
And who exactly do you think coined the phrase “separation of church and state”?
BigB says:
“Very true- they were deists.”
Sorry, BigB, not true. Men of the Enlightenment, yes, but not Deists like many of the Europeans of the time.
Read “The Faiths of our Fathers: What America’s founders Really Believed” by Alf J. Mapp, Jr., Fall River Press.
Parth, you might read it, too.
On “Established Church”
The founders were all too familiar with the practice of governments to elevate one particular denomination over another and to support it with taxpayer funds: just such arrangements prevailed in more than one of the colonies before and after the Constitution.
What they were concerned about was to eliminate the possibility that at some point one of these denominations would attempt to force ONE church as the “established” church over all thirteen colonies, to the detriment of the others.
Freedom OF religion was the point, not freedom FROM religion as it is so often preached today by those who would remove all references to faith from our public life and discourse.
It was a wise choice, then as now. But the current vogue of advocates of the “Post Christian Era” is a travesty of the traditions which gave birth to the whole American experiment. Without those deeply embedded Christian ethical and cultural values our form of government does not make sense.
It is all too human to throw out the baby with the bath.
But the fact is that Christian values are the bedrock of our Constitution.
As our culture abandons them, Christians of all faiths lament the lawless society we are becoming, where even murderers face only a slap on the hand.
Sexual promiscuity is reminiscent of pagan times.
Dishonesty is seen as just “the way to get along, so long as you don’t get caught.”
Respect for the property of others seems nonexistent as theft and vandalism become commonplace.
Brutality is countenanced by our society and the courts.
And the most destructive of societal behaviors become only the “crime du jour.”
If anyone protests these things in the name of religion, they are denounced as trying to inject religion into the public sphere. In other words, it is fine to hold one’s beliefs, but not to speak them outside the walls of one’s church.
And THAT is the egregious violation of the first amendment no-one wants to talk about, because it in effect “establishes” the views of agnostics and atheists as the “official” religion of the country.
Bottom line, let the Christians voice their views on the streets, in the airways, in the public halls and legislatures as having equal standing with those who oppose them. Let Freedom Ring Througout the Land!
One can hope their voices will save our country.
I have really made an effort to avoid this but I can’t take it anymore.
But the fact is that Christian values are the bedrock of our Constitution.
Really? Which Christian values are those? Like, “Thou shalt not steal” and so forth. Well, those values aren’t exclusively the province of Christianity. Or are you talking more about the “red line” values. You know, those passages in the New Testament, attributed to Christ, talking about “turning the other cheek” and “if a man asks you for a meal”, those values. Are you talking about Old Testament law or New Testament law? Christians can’t answer those questions because they aren’t convenient to todays evangelical movement, which is less about Christ and more about power and influence in the political spheres. Define values, dingleberry and maybe we can have a talk, otherwise, quit wasting space.
Yup, Richards right, the constitution isnt based on christian values, but rather, hinduism.
Religion
Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics: C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestants delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Episcopalian, eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists. The total number being 49. Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Jefferson. Some of them often related their anti-organized church leanings in their speeches and correspondence, including George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson (who created the “Jefferson Bible”), and Benjamin Franklin. However, notable founders, such as Patrick Henry, were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of deists, including Franklin, Jefferson, and Ethan Allen.[11]
Although not a religion, Freemasonry was represented in John Blair, Benjamin Franklin, James Mchenry, George Washington, Abraham Baldwin, Gunning Bedford, William Blount, David Brearly, Daniel Carroll, Jonathan Dayton, Rufus King, John Langdon, George Read, Roger Sherman, James Madison, Robert Morris, William Paterson, and Charles Pinckney.
Notwithstanding the spectrum of beliefs held by the Founding Fathers, their speeches indeed contain statements in which they describe religion’s role in molding “national morality” and securing the rule of law (George Washington), its check on human “wickedness” (Benjamin Franklin), and its preservation of a free government such as America (John Adams).
Jefferson in particular was hostile toward many aspects of contemporary Christianity, writing in a March 13, 1789 letter to Francis Hopkinson “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.”
In correspondence with John Adams, Jefferson wrote that “The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills[citation needed] .” In yet another letter, to José Correia da Serra, dated April 11, 1820, Jefferson wrote that: “Priests…dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live[citation needed].”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States
We agree Les, aside from the Hinduism crack. My point was that the values the country were founded on were universal values and not just some jackoff’s version of Christianity.
Thanks, Les, for a more detailed description of my point.
And Richard, poor Richard, thanks for a fine illustration of the gross religious intolerance of the non-Christian left.
I’m sure many of us Christians, even the non-Evanglicals like myself, will pray for you, turning the other cheek.
parthian wrote:
“As with all conservative white males, I think your supposed “history” is highly suspect. Especially concerning the Founders intent, which is a cottage industy of crappy, tendentious, dubious “scholarship” on the Right.”
Yet you offer little evidence to the contrary. Any solid, concrete sources you have that you wish to hold up to scrutiny?
Not all conservatives are “white males,” nor are they stupid, as you are implying here. Those are both misnomers. Rhetorical generalizations get you nowhere. ALL white males are believers in this “suspect” history? I’m dumbfounded. Please clarify further.
I would like to add that I a Christian, and am proud of my faith. I refuse to believe that I am what many people have branded as “stupid, superstitious, unintelligent, uninformed, and foolish.” I am sure that many people who say they are Christians in the public square are putting their lives on a limb in a certain sense. I find such action taken by a Christian no different than offering an olive branch to hungry and ferocious wolves.
Of course Pantheon believes that understanding the Founders intent is “is a cottage industy of crappy, tendentious, dubious “scholarship” on the Right” because the people on the Left want to substitute pure emotional feelings for law.
The Left believes that whatever a judge feels is best is law. Of course, they only believe this because the judges on their side are very active in pressing these matters and it is one of the few ways they can advance their adgendas.
However, in the not so distant past it was the “conservative” courts that made rule of law based upon substantive due process. Using this as a legal basis is as wrong then as it is now.
THe fact is that sometimes bad law is created. Justice Thomas, the “darling” of the Left, said it the most perfect in his dissent on the Texas sodomy law case. Thomas stated that if he were a member of the Texas legislature he would never vote for such a statute but there is nothing in the Consitution that prohibits a state from such a statute.
Richard wrote, “I have really made an effort to avoid this but I can’t take it anymore. ‘But the fact is that Christian values are the bedrock of our Constitution.’ Really? Which Christian values are those?”
That is an extremely good question, Richard.
The Preamble of the Constitution says that we wish to “secure the Blessings of Liberty,” a concept which is biblical. Galatians 5:13 (in the New Testament) says, “For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.” The founders knew that liberty is from the hand of God (He has “called” His people to it), therefore, tyrants do not have the right to revoke or abolish liberty. A portion of Leviticus 25:10 (in the Old Testament) is even inscribed on the Liberty Bell: “Proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants.”
The Constitution sets up 3 branches of government, each with distinct roles. These roles can be found in a portion of Isaiah 33:22 (in the Old Testament) where they are listed as titles of God: “For the Lord is our Judge, the Lord is our Lawgiver, the Lord is our King.” Notice:
Judge (the Judicial Branch)
Lawgiver (the Legislative Branch)
King (the Executive Branch).
The founders knew that all of these are roles that need to be fulfilled by an effective government so they provided for each. However, they did not assign all three roles to one individual, or even to one branch, because they recognized what Jeremiah 17:9 (in the Old Testament) says, that “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?” Instead, they established a system of checks and balances. As we can see in many countries throughout history and even today (Venezuela–Hugo Chavez, Germany–Hitler, Cambodia–Pol Pot, Uganda–Idi Amin, Russia–Stalin), when one individual has too much unchecked power it can quickly lead to despotism and tyranny. They recognized that God is quite able to faithfully administer all these roles, but sinful man cannot.
I’m glad you posed that question, Richard, because I’m enjoying locating some of the Biblical references whose principles comprise the foundation of our Constitution. I plan to look up some more, but it’s rather late right now. Good night!
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