Have you heard the one about the inactive lawyer…?
August 15th, 2008 – 11:14 AM by Mark BrunswickDemocratic Third Congressional District hopeful Ashwin Madia found himself hustling over to St. Paul the other day to cut a check for $229. It had been discovered that he allowed his law license to expire. Madia also paid a $75 late fee to get himself reinstated. It was an oversight, his campaign explained, especially since he had not been practicing law since October, when he started campaigning full-time.
Nevertheless, the oversight prompted a quick response from state GOP Chairman Ron Carey:
“Ashwin Madia’s failure to renew his law license because it was ‘an oversight’ is just one more example of why he isn’t ready to represent the people of the Third District. While he’s happy raising money with the scandal-tainted Charles Rangel, Madia has apparently failed to keep his key credential for serving in the House up to date.”
That prompted us to wonder: lots of lawyers in elected office, how many of ‘em could jump in and give us a good defense in a pinch? Not so many, it turns out.
State records show, for instance, that lawyers Gov. Tim Pawlenty, U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman and Rep. Michele Bachmann, Republicans all, are currently not authorized to practice law in Minnesota.
U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Rep. Keith Ellison , both Democrats, are currently authorized to practice.
Klobuchar, a former Hennepin County prosecutor, said she keeps her license current as a matter of personal choice. “I was a prosecutor before being elected directly to the Senate and I thought it was important to keep some continuity.” She jokes that she could probably “cook up some speaking engagements” to meet the demands of the Continuing Legal Education requirements but so far has taken some video courses. She’ll revisit the issue after a while if the demands get too great.
Ellison took some heat during his first Congressional campaign for, among other things, his faulty record keeping. Ellison spokesman Rick Jauert said the CLE courses are relatively cheap and help keep Ellison current in the law. While he hasn’t had a chance yet, Ellison may want to do a little pro bono work some day. And then there’s this:
“He doesn’t take for granted that the people of the Fifth Congressional District will rehire him! So, in addition to working hard for their interests, he keeps his law license current, just in case he may need to take care of his family,” Jauert explained.
Pawlenty spokesman Brian McClung said Pawlenty renews his license but has chosen to put it in inactive status because he has not intended to practice while governor and he doesn’t have time to take the required credits to keep current (to be sure, his weekends, in particular, seem to have been pretty busy this presidential election season).
There is at least one practicing lawyer in the Pawlenty household, though. First Lady and former judge Mary Pawlenty is up to speed.
Coleman spokesman LeRoy Coleman said the Senator is on inactive status because the time required for the CLE credits would interfere with his Senate duties.
Bachmann spokesman Stephen Miller said she voluntarily went inactive but if she decides to reactivate her standing in the bar she could do so.
“In our case, it’s not a function of not doing something; it’s a function of voluntarily doing something. You can’t practice law and be a member of Congress simultaniously.”
107 Responses to "Have you heard the one about the inactive lawyer…?"
Active or inactive, Dem, Repub, or indy, there are too many of them in government anyway.
Amen to that brother. Ron Carey is the GOP’s resident attack dog - it’s his job to go after this kind of thing…the DFL has them too…Not a big deal to me.
MB’s spokesman Stephen Miller (Jungle love…is driving me mad…makin me crazy) sounds downright coherent compared to batsh1t crazy lady. Maybe he should run for office?
This comment is waht really irked me. Ron Carey: “Madia has apparently failed to keep his key credential for serving in the House up to date.”
Since when does being a lawyer constitute the “key credential” to serve in the House? That is complete nonsense.
Exactly, jay. This conservative Carey character will literally say anything, he has no shame whatever.
Plus, a law license is especially silly as a “key credential” for Repubs, what with their enthusiastic celebration of executive lawbreaking and all….
It is interesting that in the greatest lawbreaking regime in US history, Bushco, neither the President nor Veep was a lawyer. They were “businessmen”, and in particular, corporate oilmen.
So much for the “Rule of Law”.
Michele Bachmann’s license to practice law in Minnesota was designated “unauthorized” long before she was elected to Congress. Yet she continues to describe herself as a “tax litigation attorney” without challenge from reporters.
parthian says all repubs are lawyers. what are all the dems?
karl, evidence please. your word is not enough.
I am wondering why I read this on a national news source but cannot find this in the red star and sickle:
A Hennepin County Medical Center volunteer and nurse were separately attacked by the same three suspects.
Reiner Schonolling was attacked Tuesday morning by three Somali teenagers on bikes.
The suspect who hit him said he does not like white Americans.
Just one hour before the attack, the suspects punched Robin Cooper who is a nurse at HCMC.
The attacks happened at Elliot Park in downtown Minneapolis along 8th Street.
“I believe they picked on someone they thought they can get away with,” says Cooper.
So what are you saying Karl? That Madia was the same as Bachmann until he renewed??
The fact that they are lawyers, practicing or not, is not a positve attribute for either candidate as far as I’m concerned.
A few facts here will serve to sort out the bias in this post.
Maintaining a license is no small thing. As a CPA, I must spend an average of 40 hours per year in class of some kind or another to maintain my active license. Should I choose inactive status, I am relieved of this obligation, but I must still renew my license annually, pay annual renewal fees, and if I later wish to become active again I must “make up” the missing continuing education. I believe the situation is similar for attorneys. While “inactive” I may not practice as a CPA.
“Inactive” is a far cry from “Failed to Renew.” The former is a choice available, and is following the rules. “Failed to renew” is a breach of the rules.
To state or imply that they are equivalent is simply false representation of the case. Now why would a reporter do that?
Regarding lawyers in legislatures:
While it is tempting to assert that lawyers are the ruination of everything, it can also be argued that it can be quite advantageous to have new laws crafted by persons who know the law, how it works, legal terminology, and how words will be interpreted in the courts when a new law is put into practice.
Buchanan sticks it to the neocons.
Finally, the state does something right.
http://www.startribune.com/business/27039954.html?cache=n&uccb=1218899173#post_comments
John:
Should a legislator have bills being considered reviewed by a lawyer?; absolutely.
Should those deciding what needs to be legislated be someone who is, by profession, trained to work in a adversarial climate rather than compromise and common good? Not in my book.
Dora:
It’s a nice column, but as with your Exxon report, I think you are cherrypicking the column. Jabbing neocons?
The crux of his point was the encroachment of the 1990’s, culminating with our illegal action in Serbia circa 1998, by the lawless Clinton regime. Remember, Hillybilly Bill didnt even feign an effort for UN approval.
Parthian loves to call this admin lawless, but only one of the last 2 Presidents has been impeached and received 50 Senate votes rec REMOVAL from office during HIS trial.
Again, facts never impact Parth’s innocuous and harmless diatribes….
Even worse, the lawless Serbia adventure was done while Al Queda was on the prowl against us, and with Hillybilly Bill turning a blind eye to the massive corporate fraud that was occurring at home under the label of
“great economy.”
Sorry Dora, cant go with you column assessment here….
Yet, another thread highlighting that Repubs might speak from both sides of their mouth!
Huh? Never thought i’d see that here at the BQ 
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I saw Frau Kaiser also added another Bachmann hitpiece in the online news.
Huh? Who’d have thunk it?
The Trib, hurtling towards ground zero (as in market value) at warp speed (Parth will get that Trekkie nod)….
I dont know, Jim, you could take the headline to infer Madia is a joke.
Oh right 6DJ, I forgot–it’s all Clinton’s fault.
Well Dora; wont blame it all on Clinton, but he’s not being fully honest when he asks questions such as:
Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of who viscerally detest Russia?
Who? Albright and Clinton neocons? When Nato began issuing invitations to former Warsaw pact nations, she had this to say:
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright said, “no European democracy will be excluded because of its position on the map.” The Madrid Declaration identifies Romania and Slovenia as states that have made “positive developments towards democracy and rule of law,” and recognizes the progress of the Baltic states in moving toward “greater stability and cooperation.”
NATO also moved to solidify relations with Ukraine through a July 9 “Charter on a Distinctive Partnership.” Like the NATO-Russian Founding Act (see ACT, May 1997), the charter is a political and not a legally binding agreement, committing NATO to increase military cooperation and interoperability with Ukraine and to establish military liaison missions. The charter calls for the establishment of a NATO-Ukraine Commission to meet at least twice a year to explore ways to further develop the relationship.
Wether you think the Bush administration’s stance on the Georgian issue is correct or not, to try and lay the blame for Russian discontent with the west solely on the doorsteps of “neocons” is not intellectually honest.
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997_06-07/natojj
He goes on to imply we have full control of Israli actions:
“But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days…?
It calls into questions his thought process. I dont think the Israeli’s wait for our permission to retaliate against militant palestinians. And we have condemned Israeli actions in the past.
Les, being an attorney may not be your idea of a legislator’s qualification but, without it, Madia’s resumé is pretty darn thin. Here’s what his latest literature tells us about him (verbatim):
1. Ashwin Madia was born in Boston and grew up in Plymouth MN
2. Graduated from Osseo Senior High School and the University of Minnesota; earned a law degree (doesn’t specify which law school; it was NYU)
3. Captain, US Marine Corps; served in Iraq and worked to build the new Iraqi legal system
4. Currently, an attorney specializing in business matters and intellectual property (doesn’t specify that he actually has a job as an attorney; to my best knowledge, he does not)
That’s it. He’s running on the fact that he’s an attorney and he served six months in Iraq (as an attorney!) and not much else, except that his parents are immigrants.
Take the attorney part out and you’ve got what? That he graduated from high school and college?
That law license is critical to Madia’s presentation, regardless of whether you think it’s an important qualification. His failure to keep it up says something about his sense of priorities. For Madia, this mistake was far more critical than the inactive status of Coleman or Pawlenty.
Les, being an attorney may not be your idea of a legislator’s qualification but, without it, Madia’s resumé is pretty darn thin. Here’s what his latest literature tells us about him (verbatim):
1. Ashwin Madia was born in Boston and grew up in Plymouth MN
2. Graduated from Osseo Senior High School and the University of Minnesota; earned a law degree (doesn’t specify which law school; it was NYU)
3. Captain, US Marine Corps; served in Iraq and worked to build the new Iraqi legal system
4. Currently, an attorney specializing in business matters and intellectual property (doesn’t specify that he actually has a job as an attorney; to my best knowledge, he does not)
That’s it. He’s running on the fact that he’s an attorney and he served six months in Iraq (as an attorney!) and not much else, except that his parents are immigrants.
Take the attorney part out and you’ve got what? That he graduated from high school and college?
That law license is critical to Madia’s presentation, regardless of whether you think it’s an important qualification. His failure to keep it up says something about his sense of priorities. For Madia, this mistake was far more critical than the inactive status of Coleman or Pawlenty.
This thread was designed to take a shot at Republicans for not keeping up their law licenses, but Bill Clinton had his REVOKED!
I just got back from vacation and after looking at some of the BQ topics, it appears that the extreme liberal bias is as annoying as ever.
While on vacation I was able to occasionally get my hands on a Star Democrat Tribune in Northern Minnesota.
Early in the week there was a tear jerking pro-welfare state story about a poor single mother of two who’s welfare benefits had run out in another state (probably Illinois) making her ineligible for benefits here (which I find hard to believe) and she was having a very hard time finding work because of the “bad economy”.
On the same day the editorial page had a pro-illegal alien amnesty piece preaching that we need illegal’s to fill the demand for all the job openings.
Liberals seem to contradict themselves.
Speaking of Michele Bachmann, she is right about stopping the liberal ban on cheap, safe light bulbs.
Liberals are worried that safe oil drilling an places like ANWR isn’t safe enough and therefore we can’t become energy independent, but they feel completely safe having billions on toxic mercury filled light bulbs everywhere and are certain that they will all be disposed of properly and there won’t be any bulb breakage resulting in costly cleanup.
Liberals make no sense!
Pelosi is now willing to consider offshore drilling. I thought just days ago she stated she was against drilling to “save the planet”. Now she is willing to drill. Drill, drill, drill - welcome Nancy to the right policy. Even a liberal gets it.
The only reason Nancy Pelosi (lib-dem CA) may be changing her tune now is that it would be devastating to the democrat party if she didn’t.
Even though the American people put her back in line this time, it still shows that we can’t trust liberals with our national security, economy, or our energy crisis.
Dora says:
Oh right 6DJ, I forgot–it’s all Clinton’s fault.
Not at all, but I am stating my amusement that you view the column as a huge shot at “neocons.” I just like to use parth/blainy hyperbole here and there.
There has been plenty of bonehead moves by Clinton and W, but to this day I am amazed that deposing a cruel dictator thru military force, while declaring no attempt at UN support would even be made, was so eagerly embraced by the Senate Dems (including the late Sen Conscience) and the MSM (which we now learn has been totally in the bag for Dems).
It has come home to roost in Georgia….
And yes, D2 nails it that this column is, of course, a shot at Republican “hypocrisy”
And CNC nails it when we watch Pelosi waffle on drilling, a thread topic for sure, as with Edwards, or Hilary undercutting Obama, or the economic quarmire now nationally and in MN, under the NEW Dem legislatures, yadayada, but Dem bashing has never been the point of their political leanings at the Strib.
The demise of the Strib is both sad and deserved…….
Do you think the liberal BQ would ever have a topic on something like Pelosi waffling on ending the liberal ban on domestic drilling? Hell no!
I would also like to see a topic on how the economy was doing fine until the democrat party took control of BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS. You know that if the situation were reversed and the economy started going bad after a Republican takeover, you would never hear the end of it from the liberal media.
“The demise of the Strib is both sad and deserved……”
So true!
I thought just days ago she stated she was against drilling to “save the planet”. Now she is willing to drill. Drill, drill, drill
As per form D2, you are almost exactly wrong.
Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is considering legislation that would permit new offshore drilling as part of a broad energy bill, a response to growing anxiety within her party that Republicans are gaining traction with election-year attacks that Democrats aren’t doing enough to address high gasoline prices.
So, she’s bowing to pressure from colleagues and constituents to put some compromise forward. Seems reasonable to me.
One proposal under consideration would let states decide whether to permit new energy exploration off their coasts while possibly maintaining the drilling ban off the Pacific Coast, according to a House leadership aide who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of ongoing negotiations.
State’s Rights. Right wingers love ‘dem state’s rights.
It’s a masterful play on Ms. Pelosi’s part. While Minority leader Boner was playing golf (shooting a respectable 85) in front of the nation, Pelosi is negotiating a compromise bill that will mollify those with environmental concerns and throwing a bone to the drill now, drill here, drill everywhere jackoffs. I would predict you will also see attached to this bill, funding for the research and development of sustainable sources of energy. Well played Ms. Pelosi.
liberal ban on domestic drilling
There is no ban on domestic drilling D2. Never has been. Refresh your crib notes. The oil companies have 68 million acres of land both off shore and not available for exploration.
Richard,
This might help you understand the situation a little better. Looks like the lib’s are at least slow to react if not incompetent:
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DeMint: Congress Should Lift Drilling Ban Before August Break
July 14, 2008 - Washington, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senator Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) applauded President Bush’s decision to lift the executive ban on offshore drilling and called on Congress to end the legislative ban on domestic exploration for oil and natural gas before the House and Senate take an August recess.
“Since Americans can’t just take a break from high gas prices, Congress should not go on summer vacation without ending the Democrat blockade on domestic drilling to reduce energy costs,” said Senator DeMint. “I applaud the President for leading the way by ending the executive ban, and now its time for Democrats in Congress to stop playing political games and allow an immediate up-or-down vote to end the federal ban on offshore drilling.”
“The overwhelming majority of Americans are demanding that Washington use some common sense and allow America to increase our own energy supply to reduce prices at the pump. Sadly, Democrats have blocked energy solutions for decades because they think coal, oil and gas have made Americans ‘sick’ and high gas prices are the way to cure them. It’s time for Democrats to stop saying ‘NO’ to American energy, stop saying ‘NO’ to increasing our own oil and gas supplies, and stop saying ‘NO’ to clean alternative energy like nuclear power.”
A recent poll by Rasmussen Reports found that only 9 percent think Congress is doing a good job, falling below a single digit approval rating for the first time ever. Another poll by Zogby International found that 74 percent, or 3 out of every 4 Americans, want Congress to end the offshore drilling ban: “A majority of likely voters across the political spectrum support offshore oil drilling, with vast majorities of Republicans (90 percent) and independents (75 percent) in favor of drilling for oil off U.S. coastal waters more than half of Democrats (58 percent) also said they favor offshore drilling.”
Even U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-California), while blocking efforts to lift the ban on offshore drilling, has admitted that we must increase the supply of American oil and gas to bring down prices. She stated last week that we need to “expand available supplies and help reduce the record prices that are helping push the economy toward recession.”
Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused 124 Offshore Spills For A Total Of 743,700 Gallons. 554,400 gallons were crude oil and condensate from platforms, rigs and pipelines, and 189,000 gallons were refined products from platforms and rigs. [MMS, 1/22/07]
Wait a minute, you said there’s a ban on offshore drilling but look, a half a million gallons of crude dumped into the Gulf from Katrina and Rita damage.
Richard,
I realize that you hate the internal combustion engine and would prefer that we all pedal our way to our jobs at the broom factory, but right now we need oil to survive, and the democrat party has been the main obsticle to independence from Arab oil and lower fuel prices.
Have you seen todays sunday paper- main section? it is like a dfl/obama newsletter, and i am not talking about editorials either.
probably just another of those repub leaning publications, right, parth?
I realize that you are an idiot. I realized, D2, that you and your ilk are largely the reason liberals are labeled intellectual elites. I realize you hate logic and reason and facts and evidence. The broom factory I work at is looking at an eight million dollar deal with a regional local company that’s building wind generators. Our broom factory has about 200 people that are going to benefit from this deal but the total number of jobs effected is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000. This kind of thing is only starting. Imagine the effect if Pelosi gets the funding for the manufacture of wind generators in the entire US. Minnesota, because of the states past commitment to K-12 and higher education, is posed very well to benefit hugely. No drilling necessary, just a little imagination and vision. Something you and your fellow travelers in the extreme right wing are incapable of.
“the reason liberals are labeled intellectual elites”
That must be why a liberal like San Fran Nancy Pelosi won’t even allow a vote in Congress on ending the liberal ban on domestic drilling, because she thinks she is superior to us commoners and knows what is best for us.
I agree with using wind, solar, nuclear, coal, and all forms of energy we can get our hands on, but right now wind power won’t get food and other products transported to where they need to go. Until that is perfected, we need to use oil and shouldn’t have to pay unreasonable fuel prices because of liberal activism.
because she thinks she is superior to us commoners and knows what is best for us.
Not us, just you.
Until that is perfected, we need to use oil and shouldn’t have to pay unreasonable fuel prices because of liberal activism.
It already is commercially viable. I’m assuming that’s what you mean by perfected. At the moment, the US holds a slime lead with this technology but Germany and France are catching up and will soon have the edge. That is unless the government invests money to kick start the market.
Now you are technically correct in that wind power will not get food to market but, fuel that would’ve otherwise gone to powering electrical generators, can now go to gasoline.
The biggest source of gas and oil we have is in the gas and oil that we waste. Conservation will yield more oil today then all the oil fields. Factor in the savings for the next 7 to 10 years and it will amount to billions of barrels of crude. We need to start today undoing what your idiot, criminal president did with his energy plan. The days of record profits for the oil company’s have come to an end and we will be the ones reaping the benefits.
Richard,
We can’t inflate our way out of our current energy problem like B. Hussein Obama would like us to buy in to. We meed to increase supply.
The real reason liberals love high gas prices is because they are pushing their “Global Warming” hoax agenda and want to make it as difficult as possible for people to use gasoline. Obama himself said he is happy with $4.00 gasoline, but he wished the price increase would have happened less rapidly. What an idiot!
We can’t inflate our way out of our current energy problem
Like I said earlier, no imagination, no vision. The extreme right wing can only parrot the lines their corporate masters feed them. Right wing corporate dupes, doing their duty by those whom they’ve put in charge.
Richard says:We need to start today undoing what your idiot, criminal president did with his energy plan
I can assure you Rich, I did not vote for the impeached doofus Clinton.
Richard says: Right wing corporate dupes, doing their duty by those whom they’ve put in charge.
Again, “me no vote” for the current loons.
Yes, now that we’re at the end of year 2 of a Dem Congress, and a Dem state legislature, how’s that working out for us?
employment rate?
inflation/energy?
mortgage implosion?
war?
BUDGET DEFICIT?
Or are you from the parth remedial school of geeks? Dems bear no blame:
a) when in the minority
b) when in the majority
And it is the end of year 2 of MAJORITY Dem status…..
Feeling good? Watching Pelosi roll on every issue? Might give you a little empathy for our Hastert years.
ROTFLMAO, no doubt!
D2, I do love the Global Warming hoax comment.
I think we’re at a total of 6 days above 90 this summer. 6 lousy, stinking days during this “horrendus period of armaggeddon global warming with earth in the balance.”
And remember, this is WITH a much larger heat island effect than just several decades ago.
Personally, I miss the good, old days of the cooler earth when we could get 20 or 30 days above 90 with a couple of 100’s mixed in…..
Who’s on first?
What’s on second?
Clowns on parade, beginning with James Hansen. then parth. gotta include Blaine, and Bill,….my gosh, it’s a big parade.
Thanks Jim,
I feel that third world over-population is a much greater threat to the environment than anything else, but the liberals won’t even discuss that.
Here is an interesting piece on how the American people view the “Global Warming” hoax:
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Only 1 in 4 Americans believes global warming is the biggest environmental challenge facing the world, a new poll reveals.
The ABC News/Planet Green/Stanford University survey found that public concern over the global warming issue has diminished over the past year.
Fewer than half of the poll’s respondents, 47 percent, think global warming is an important issue to them personally, down from 52 percent in April 2007.
While 80 percent believe the earth is warming, that figure is down four percentage points from last year.
Doubts over the science behind the global warming issue still linger in people’s minds, according to the poll results reported by the National Journal. Just 30 percent of respondents said they trust what scientists have to say about the environment “completely” or “a lot,” 39 percent said they trust them “a moderate amount,” and 30 percent said they do not trust them.
Also, nearly 60 percent of respondents said there is “a lot of disagreement” within the scientific community as to how dangerous climate change is.
According to ABC News’ Gary Langer, the diminished concern over global warming coincides with decreased media attention to climate change, in favor of the election and economy. “A database search finds 50 percent fewer news stories on global warming in the month before this poll was conducted, compared with the month before last year’s survey,” Langer wrote.
In any case, about 7 in 10 respondents said they’re attempting to reduce their energy consumption by driving less, using less electricity and recycling.
But 63 percent are in favor of drilling for oil in coastal waters where it is currently not allowed, and 55 percent support drilling in U.S. wilderness areas where it is not allowed.
Just 30 percent of respondents said they trust what scientists have to say about the environment “completely” or “a lot,” 39 percent said they trust them “a moderate amount,
So 69% of the respondents of a National Journal poll trust the data “a moderate amount”. 30% don’t understand science. Okay, that’s amazingly close to Bush’s poll numbers but that’s probably just a coincidence.
Just a couple of facts.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
The more of it in the atmosphere the more heat is trapped.
The more that’s trapped, the warmer the overall temp of the planet gets.
Higher planet wide temps affects local weather patterns.
The CO2 levels now, are the highest in 650,000 years.
The rate of CO2 levels rise is historically unprecidented.
Those are facts. No argueing with them. Maybe, just maybe, cutting down on the CO2 we are releasing into the atmosphere might be a good idea.
Richard,
What do you think about the third world which is burning down their forests at an alarming rate to handle their rapid population increase? Could that maybe be contributing to CO2 levels much more than anything the civilized world is doing? I was in Nepal about 25 years ago and was amazed at the haze in the air created by all the destroying and burning of trees to create farmland.
In any case, to deny ourselves our own natural resources to combat either a non-existant problem or something caused mainly by the third world is insane, and that’s exactly what liberals in Congress are doing.
Richard states:
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
The more of it in the atmosphere the more heat is trapped.
The more that’s trapped, the warmer the overall temp of the planet gets.
Higher planet wide temps affects local weather patterns.
The CO2 levels now, are the highest in 650,000 years.
The rate of CO2 levels rise is historically unprecidented.”
Provide some links to the data Richie. I would love to see your analysis of cause and effect of CO2 levels and temperature over the centuries. Since you claim that you are such an intellectural, please provide the regression equation, R-squared and error in your analysis.
By the way, it is a fact that higher CO2 levels actual FOLLOW temperature rises. So the causality is a foolish liberal elite fantasy.
God bless John McCain.
Here’s an idea - let’s talk about someone OTHER than Bill Clinton! You conservatives LOVE to bring up old Bill 8 years since he’s been in office.
Dora, Buchanan’s column is right - Clinton’s foreign policy was actually quite similar to Bush’s: Isolate Russia, act unilaterally to enfore US foreign policy, and placate North Korea. Bush’s invasion of Iraq is in fact just one step farther than what Clinton did in the past.
I think what’s intersting is that despite all the complaints here about the liberal media, the coverage was actually slanted pretty far on the conservative side. CBS said that Russia “attacked” in response to Georgia’s “moving into” IT’s breakaway region…As Buchanan mentions, Georgian forces attacked Russian peacekeepers. Still the media panders like mad to Sakhashvilli, who responds in kind by saying it’s the WEST’s fault? What a charade.
I loved it when Gorbachev was on Larry King - he pulled no punches, saying that Georgia was picking a fight with Russia.
Sarge,
Why are you trying to change the topic?
Don’t you agree that:
1) We need to increase the supply of domestic oil.
2) The liberal ban on domestic drilling has hurt our economy.
3) Liberals (democrats and RINO republicans) are wrong on this issue and need to be voted out.
This should get every true American bloods boiling, there is a Spanish language AM (1400) radio station in the Twin Cities catering to illegal aliens called La Invasora “The Invasion”.
This disgusting show of arrogance can be directly blamed on the illegal sanctuary city policies of Mayors R.T. Rybak and Chris Coleman.
YOU changed the topic asshat, not me LOL. Here are my answers to your questions:
1) No
2) No
3) Truck Nutz
About La Invasora — apparently we’ll need to add IRONY to the list of things that are well over your head.
Thanks for your expected extremely liberal response Sarge.
sarge- we will make you a deal. if the libs on this site can not mention w, then we will not mention the clintons. deal? lets see who breaks down first.
sooooo, when you question anything about the messiah, you are a racist.
and if he fails miserably in a “debate/forum”, then the other guy cheated.
is this really the best the dems have?
The liberal media tried to understand why Obama was so lousy last night at the Faith Forum with Rick Warren. After the racking their brains for hours they decided this morning that McCain must have cheated.
The liberal media talking heads think the reason McCain did such an incredible job last night is because he cheated.
NewsBusters reported this conversation from this morning on Meet the Press:
MR. GREGORY: Andrea Mitchell, that’s a pretty clear contrast (Obama verses McCain on tape).
MS. ANDREA MITCHELL: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, there was the crisp, immediate, forceful response by John McCain, clearly in a comfort zone because he was with his base. And Barack Obama, taking a risk in going there but seeing an opportunity. And a much more nuanced approach. The Obama people must feel that he didn’t do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because that — what they’re putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.
MR. GREGORY: Right.
MS. MITCHELL: He seemed so well prepared.
Well, at least they admit that McCain was sensational last night.
The liberal media claims that Barack Hussein Obama is a Christian, but has anyone any heard him have anything good to say about Jesus Christ from the heart? It seems to me that he is a member of Rev. Wright’s radical leftist church which praises anti-American Nation of Islam leader Louis Farakkhan simply to fool us all into believing he is a follower of Jesus. I don’t buy B.O’s B.S.
I don’t speak for, nor do I control anyone on this site OT. But at least W has relevence since he’s currently our president. Clinton’s been gone for almost 8 years — other than historians, who cares?
Not sure exactly what you’re getting at there OT. Andrea Mitchell is known conservative journalist (they suspected Karl Rove was leaking stuff to her - Scooter Libby trial anyone?). She’s also married to a registered Republican (Alan Greenspan).
Now i am convinced that McCain cheated. the ny slimes ran an article stating the same thing that the obama campaign and andrea mitchell ran. the only thing missing is ……..any effin evidence at all. i guess that didn’t stop them from printing the alleged decade old affair either. but mention the edwards affair, no way- we need iron clad proof, video, pictures and sworn testimonies before we can print that. someone should burn down the slimes building- it would be no loss whatsoever. i am not advocating anyone doing that- so save your “you commited a felony, ot”, sarge.
Here’s my vision: One day, OT will understand the meaning of the word, “newsworthy”.
The MSM covered Edwards relentlessly for about 3 days, then promptly dropped the story because people don’t give a sh1t about a former loser.
Next the conservative pundits begin beating it to death, and now it’s starting to backfire on them…And really, logically if you’re going to crucify Edwards who’s not even in the running, then aren’t McCain’s affairs fair game? OT I know you saw the video from Hannity and Colmes - it’s a joke. Colmes says, “If we can’t trust Edwards, then why should we trust McCain?” — they won’t even answer the guy’s question…they just keep saying, “yeah, but…but John Edwards…but but…Bill Clinton cheated.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saDewF41rJI
You know what’s the funniest thing about this OT? All McCain has to do is say, “Just read my book - that’ll answer all your questions.” Which I’m sure he would if someone asked him. But the GOP is thirty for a sex scandal on the other side since it’s been so grossly uneven over the last 5 years.
OT, this country managed to elect 5 Republican presidents in the last 40 years, and only 2 Democrats. You’re overestimating the power of the “liberal media”.
Richard:
Why do you assume a policy of allowing new off shore drilling precludes wind power development?
You should remember the conservative postion is ‘all of the above’, including nuclear, wind, etc, etc not just off shore drilling.
Off shore drilling is an issue because of liberal knee jerk reactions, basically stamping their feet and saying “no” until they realized oops, that’s not popular with the electorate.
So much for priniciples.
OT, the “liberal drilling ban” was signed by President G.H.W. Bush.
Sorry OT, D2 made the drilling ban comment.
Richard, as you can see, the recitation of the most basic undisputed facts of the global warming situation are “challenged” by lame brains like Preacher Cash. He is one of the millions of conservative white males (like 6DJ) whom Obama recently described as “guys who are proud to be ignorant.”
This is the fault of the conservative MSM, which has refused to report the undisputed facts and has continued to act as thought here is an ongoing “debate” about the cause of the warming.
It is of course also the fault of the Right Wing Noise Machine, which is permitted to use the public air waves to simply propound lies to poison-brained nitwit wingnuts. They only will eat sh*t that they’ve eaten before.
Our democracy is now failing as a result of a corporate TV “news” and press which refuses to engage in its duty to inform pinheads and instead caters to what boobs and cretins “want” to hear—i.e. conforming to their existing prejudices. As a result of this, democracy cannot function, and it is not functioning.
We are now in our irreversible death spiral as a nation, and it occurred as a result of cretinous “conservatives”, being cynically used by large corporate and weathly interests, who are laughing all the way to the bank, while idiots like 2D and Preacher Cash are left stranded in their exurban H*llholes.
The joke is on all of us, but mostly on them as the dumbest and lowest level of the totem pole…..
Wow, they sure don’t like the suggestion that he knew the questions beforehand.
And I find Mitchell’s choice of words interesting too. “some Obama people”. Not Obama campaign, not Obama spokesperson.
She probably got it off the blogs because that’s where I saw it on sites that were liveblogging the forum. Who cares what some anonymous yahoos write on a blog?
But get a load of the letter. Complaining about repeating “unsubstantiated, partisan claims”. I guess they only like it when they repeat their own “unsubstantiated, partisan claims”.
Hmmmm, the phrase ‘thou doth protest to much’ comes to mind.
The offshore drilling ban was unanimously renewed by Congress for year after year for almost 30 years. It was renewed because it was popular with the electorate. It’s still popular with a huge minority, even after weeks of lies by Repuns and BigOil.
BigOil has now decided to flood the airwaves with simple lies about the ban, and their compliant party–the Repubs–are of course happy to get aboard.
The offshore areas that are thought to have the great majority of this very expensive to obtain oil are already open to leasing and drilling. The moratorium areas (the vast amount of the acreage) are thought to have (at best) 18 billion barrels.
We ourselves use around 8 billion barrels a year, and Bush’s Energy Dept has already admitted that drilling in the moratorium areas will have no effect on oil prices, now or even 20 years in the future—the amount of oil involved is too small to matter in world markets.
But it’s not too small to sh*t up the coasts and beaches and fragile habitats when even a “small” spill or leak occurs, which is certain to happen. The dangers of the drilling are not even mentioned by the “liberal” MSM, nor do anti-drilling, pro-environment people get any sustained airtime—it’s all corporate interests, and no facts—as usual. Another sign of our decline and death spiral.
“a huge minority’ OK…
I will hand it to you though, your objections to this remain constant and resonable, environmental concerns. Not some misdirected “conservation” position which assumes we cant do both, conserve and drill off shore.
Dora-
“who cares what some anonymous yahoos write on a blog” … Exactly, it should not have been reported as “news”
Since it has been, who really cares? With conditions like the “cone of silence” it sounds like a bad episode of “Get Smart” anyway.
On the other hand, we havent had our Dan Rather this election cycle yet, maybe she’s it this year.
We should be watching this carefully folks…
Regardless of who wins in November, this aint going away…And one candidate has said he would consider invading Pakistan….
http://www.startribune.com/world/27086344.html?page=1&c=y
Now that he’s gone, we should press them to regain control of the area.
The Dems are now acting like they are afraid of the word “environment”, Les. They are so afraid of the corporate MSM and Rushbo Noise Machine they won’t say one word in its defense, so we hear these evasions about it’s “easier to conserve”.
So much for the “all powerful” environmental movement, so hated by most conservatives.
But your idea that (of the two candidates) Obama is really the dangerous militarist chomping at the bit to “invade” Pakistan is absolute nonsense and an intentional misrepresentation of what Obama said, of which you are well aware.
And it’s even less likely that the new government can be “pressed to regain control” of the NW Frontier region. They resent the US demands to date and aren’t happy to do more. Mushareff was viewed as the pro-US boy, that’s what did him in.
Do you really maintain that McCain and Obama have different policies here? That Militarist McCain is the more likely of the two to pursue diplomatic approaches with Pakistan? You guys will simply say anything.
Actually I believe Obama said he was in favor of crossing the border into Pakistan in an effort to nab al-Queda.
Not the same as a full-on invasion, but in fairness does show a degree of naivete about issues in the region.
What I find far scarier is McCain’s willingness to use military action against Iran. It’s amazing to think that until Ahmadinejad came along, they were granting tourist visas to Americans. Plus those people make great sweaters and candy. It’s a shame we can’t do business with them 
“Obama is really the dangerous militarist chomping at the bit to “invade” Pakistan”
Those are your words. I said one candidate has said he would “consider” invading Pakistan.
If we don’t encourage them to control the area through diplomacy, how then should we approach the threat to Afghanistan? Invasion? I never said it would be easy or popular.
sarge- my problem with the edwards thing wasn’t the “3 days” of coverage, it was that it took them nearly two years to even mention it when the info was out there. it took the national enquirer to “break” the news. the msm only print what they want you to know.
as far as the andrea mitchell thing- it has worked on dora- she believes it. i also do not neccessarily believe she is conservative just on the fact she is married to one. mitchell has said way too much crazy sh*t this year. i can give specific examples if you want.
let me get this straight. when obama vigorously defends “untruths” about him-he is being brave and is correct. when mccain attempts to correct the media smears, then he must be guilty of it. now its all clear to me (if i was in liberal-land).
Obama said that if he was presented with actionable intelligence about the whereabouts of al qaeda leadership in Pakistan he would authorize a US strike against them—exactly the action that the braying wingnuts have (for years) derided Clinton for supposedly failing to do.
So that’s the supposed “invasion” Les is dishonestly talking about—a limited strike against a human target, Osama bin Ladin—and he knows that. And Les acts like he disagrees with that, or that McCain does.
In fact, McCain was recently (6/18-08) forced by wingnut radio in an interview to state that “of course, of course” he would do the same thing Obama said he would do. So the wingnut hypocrisy on this “issue” is particularly revolting and dishonest. But I’m certainly used to that at this point in the “game”.
parthian.
Quit putting words in my mouth, I didnt say I disagreed with anything. I did say we needed to pay attention to what unfolding in Afghanistan. Seems a little more important than Obama’s supporters whining about a supposed McCain advantage by not being in some “cone of silence”.
If Bush, or the winner in November, goes in to Pakistan and gets bin Laden, you wont hear me complaining.
That should be “what’s unfolding in Pakistan”, not Afghanistan, although we need to pay attention to both.
But maybe that above Obama’s pay grade also.
“Afghanistan”
Don’t worry, I know what you meant. I try not to play “gotcha” with unintentional typos.
I believe that he wasn’t in the supposed “cone of silence”, OT? Well, read their letter to NBC. They admit he wasn’t in it. So what? As McCain said, you gotta have a sense of humor.
Instead of the “cone of silence” debate, why dont you discuss what the candidates said on stage.
For example, courtesy of Dora’s favorite news source:
les, mac wiped up the floor with obama on saturday. there are so many things obama said that will come back to haunt him. i liked when he said those who talked baout his abortion stance were lying now today he had to flip again since they have rock hard evidence backing them.
dora, dora, dora, way to avoid the point. i said that you believed that mac cheated, not anything was said about a cone of silence by me.
Informal BQ Poll time:
Should Barr and Nader be allowed to participate in the upcoming presidential debates.
This say 50% or more of us say yes.
Did I say anywhere that I believed he cheated? I said, “so what”? and I said “who cares what some anonymous bloggers say?”
And Les, how about McCain’s answer about the Supreme Court Justices? Another flip flop? He voted for them.
I say no. I also say why is obama afraid of the unscripted town hall meetings that he agreed to participate in with mccain?
I also say that pelosi IS playing religion cards now, just like when she said she was going to save the planet.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, called Obabymama “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
Wow, he really is our savior, our messiah, a gift from God. I thought it was all hype before. Too bad he is going to lose and may not even get his nomination if hillary does what i think she will do.
Having seen photo propaganda used in the media to benefit Barack Obama, one has to wonder if it will be equally important to circulate a picture that may not show the ’savior’ in a particularly good light.
As such, a ticket design for the Democratic National Convention has been accompanied by a bit of controversy.
The credential appears to show an upside-down American flag on both sides. What’s worse, the front makes it appear as if Obama is cloaked in the flag, as the stars are almost visually equivalent to his shirt. In fact, Matt Chandler speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign states:
“…it is a stylized flag designed to blend the stars on Senator Obama’s shirt with the flag blowing in the wind.”
The first question that arises is why would a man who once refused to wear the American flag on his lapel, be interested in sporting a patriotic shirt, overflowing with stars?
Sarge- you know some military stuff too- what does that mean when the flag is upside down? ahahahahahahaha
Dora- said “But get a load of the letter. Complaining about repeating “unsubstantiated, partisan claims”. I guess they only like it when they repeat their own “unsubstantiated, partisan claims”.
Hmmmm, the phrase ‘thou doth protest to much’ comes to mind.
What exactly did that last line mean then? I took it to mean since they complained so much it must be true.
it means that they hypocritically complain about “unsubstantiated, partisan claims” when they push “unsubstantiated, partisan claims” themselves.
Dora;
Flip flop.. I dont see it that way.
I’ll take your word that he voted to confirm Ginsburg, although that surprises me.
In any case, voting to confirm is not nomimating. He said he wouldnt have nomimated the list he gave.
Obama did the same, but went one step further and basically said Thomas wasnt qualified (too inexperienced?) to wit:
“don’t think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation. Setting aside the fact that I profoundly disagree with his interpretation of a lot of the Constitution.”
The differnece is he could have simply said he wouldnt have nomimated Thomas due to disagreements concerning the constitution, and not attacked his professional performance.
OT:
I forgot to vote in my own poll… I say yes. First, it widens the debate (assuming a reasonable format) and secondly, it gives people a look at alternatives to the two parties that put us in the exisiting mess.
The ticket format fits in with the overall purpose of the DNC.
Which, it turns out, is to convince us that their presumptive nomimee really is American. Imagine that.
Hey OT, what did it mean when Bush held the flag upside down at the Olympics?
He did what??
If he did that, it means the same thing.
Distress….
Ahhh..
Dora, having the field on the wrong side is not the same as upside down.
Not having a picture of what OT describes, I cant evaluate the DNC ticket as “wrong fielded” or upside down.
Either way, Bush should have known better.
Partisan says:
“We are now in our irreversible death spiral as a nation”
Any problems like that we may be having in the United States is caused by leftists like you who hate democracy and capitalism. The liberal looneys who will protest and try to disrupt the Republican convention costing taxpayers millions of dollars are a great example of how NOT to be a good American citizen.
The DNC ticket isn’t a picture of a complete flag or even all of the stars. see it here: http://tinyurl.com/6kcclf
The stars were in the bottom left of the flag when Bush was holding it up in the stands at the Olympics.
correction: I googled. I was mistaken. Bush was holding it backwards not upside down.
Dora,
It was pretty disgusting how Obama painted over the American flag on his campaign jet and put his own ObamaNation emblem in it’s place.
Partisan,
I’ll bet you view our Founding Fathers as evil white gun toting bible thumpers, don’t you? Be honest now…
What a stupid design for credentials. One thing I hate almost as much as bad politics is bad design. Man…someone did that using MS Paint on a 1997 version of Windows 95. Oh, and in case you didn’t realize it, the theme is CHANGE. Man…these strategists for the Dems really suck.
Dora, the flag was pointing the wrong way, but was the facing the right way from Bush’s perspective. Quite symbolic, don’t you think?
from Snopes.com DTSI:
“The replacement of North American’s commercial markings included the removal of two stylized U.S. flag images which are used in the airline’s logo (a registered trademark of that company). The North American flag/logo on the forward portion of the fuselage was removed and the one on the tail was replaced with the Obama “O” campaign logo, while traditional depictions of the U.S. flag adjacent to the plane’s registration numbers remain.”
McCain also has his logo on his plane and on the tail is his website. Where’s the flag on McCain’s plane?
“Where’s the flag on McCain’s plane?”
I don’t know Dora, but I’m sure he is Patriotic enough not to remove an existing American flag in order to paint on his own bastardized version of it.
are you blind DTSI? The stylized flags are part of North American Airlines trademarked logo. They have chartered that plane for his campaign. They couldn’t keep the airlines trademarked logo and markings on it. The flag next to the plane’s registration numbers is not his own version.
McCain repainted his plane with his colors and logo too. Of course he painted over the airlines previous markings.
Well, D2, I’m sure Obama is patriotic enough to use the American flag as he sees fit on his plane.
I’m not going to concede to you that Obama is somehow “less patriotic” than McCain, because you have failed to show any kind of objective “proof” that backs it up. Based on MY version of America, I think both McCain and Obama are highly patriotic people. Why is that? Because I don’t think you truly appreciate what we have here in the US until you’ve been someplace that’s a lot different…like Vietnam or Indonesia.
McCain’s plane was used commercially by US Airways. This picture shows that there were three American flags as part of that planes markings: http://tinyurl.com/5qduqz
So, McCain also painted over an existing flag on his planes tail in order to feature JohnMcCain.com on it.
The rw manufactured controversy about this is just plain stupid.
Whether it’s painting over an American flag on his jet to promote his new bastardized ObamaNation version of the flag, refusing to wear an American flag lapel pin, his radical leftist pastor condemning America with “God Damn American” and giving a lifetime acheivement award to anti-American Nation of Islam leader Louis Farakkhan, or Mrs. Obama saying she has never been proud of America, I think you liberals need to take a good look at your guy.
Our Founding Fathers would be turning in their graves if they knew what a radical extremist the democrat party has chosen to represent them.
only in doras world is having an upside down flag the same as backwards. actually, a backwards flag is used on military unifroms and some vehicles.
on the other hand an upside down flag means either distress, a warning signal of some sort or disrespect of the flag.
i love how it is supposedly his starred shirt is a part of the american flag. what a buffoon. that barack sure loves him some america, don’t he? when it benefits him anyways.
sarge- the truce didn’t last long. not even counting parthian who is incapable of posting without mentioning bush, dora played the bush did too card. as she says- what a maroon.
NewsBusters Question: Isn’t it big news when a leading candidate for president of the U.S. admits that since 2003 he has been lying about a vote he once made? Even more to the point, isn’t it big news when the candidate himself was on TV not long before that admission saying that everyone else is the liar? So, why is the media silent on the 180 degree about face that the Obama campaign has just made concerning Obama’s BAIP vote?
As reported on August 13, the media pretty much ignored the great work by Jill Stanek in uncovering the truth that contradicted nearly 6 years of claims that Obama made concerning his vote on the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act when he was in the Illinois State Senate. Obama claimed that the Federal “neutrality clause” wasn’t in the Illinois bill and that if it were he would have voted for the bill instead of against it. Stanek proved that the exact same clause Obama said wasn’t in the bill was actually placed in the bill by the very committee Obama chaired. Yet he still voted against it.
hahahaha DTSI, you can’t stand it that McCain painted over the flags on his plane too.
OT, I didn’t say they were the same. I corrected my mistake in saying he held it upside down when he held it backwards.
Bush is still the president OT. Why shouldn’t he be mentioned?
“the rw manufactured controversy about this is just plain stupid”
What does the Right Wing vomit out that ISN’T just plain stupid?
And why does the “lib’rul” media even mention this horse-sh*t (let alone cover it) if they are so lib’rul and so “obviously” pro-Obama? Why don’t they ever ask “How does this worthless sh*t possibly matter to the nation, McCain?”
you must have missed. i called a truce with sarge saying we wouldnt compare things to clinton if the dems here would stop comparing everything to w.
I didn’t miss it. Neither did I miss that he didn’t agree to anything. In fact, I believe he said essentially the same thing I did. Bush is relevant because he’s the current president.
thats bs. any president, former or present is fair game to make comparisons. especially since he is still living and stays in the mix. add in his wife running for prez and he is still relevant.
did i say sarge agreed? i said i called for a deal. pay attention to detail- you could never work for me, people would be going free left and right.
I don’t ever plan on not commenting on Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Repub criminals of Bushco.
Hopefully wingnuts will post on B. Clinton (and Carter) whenever their official talking points require it or their lizard brains impel them—it only makes them look foolish, which is great!
so, OT, to my question of why shouldn’t Bush be mentioned you say you called a truce with sarge saying you wouldn’t compare to Clinton if dems would stop comparing to Bush but you’re not implying an agreement. Then why did you bring him up? What was your point? How does that comment answer my question? Seems rather irrelevant. Oh well, that fits, your comments are rather irrelevant.
Dora says:
August 18th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
I didn’t miss it. Neither did I miss that he didn’t agree to anything. In fact, I believe he said essentially the same thing I did. Bush is relevant because he’s the current president.
Dora says:
August 18th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
so, OT, to my question of why shouldn’t Bush be mentioned you say you called a truce with sarge saying you wouldn’t compare to Clinton if dems would stop comparing to Bush but you’re not implying an agreement. Then why did you bring him up? What was your point? How does that comment answer my question? Seems rather irrelevant. Oh well, that fits, your comments are rather irrelevant.
anyone else see a question in there? i don’t. but in doraland, she sees one. cuckoo, cuckoo. let us watch her explain how she was right anyway. you know its coming. wait for it.
oh, i see a question back at 6:59. but then i did answer it. so you still miss the boat. better luck next time. i am out fo rthe night, can only take so much stupidity in one day.
O.T. says:
August 18th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
thats bs. any president, former or present is fair game to make comparisons. especially since he is still living and stays in the mix. add in his wife running for prez and he is still relevant.
Thanks OT, we appreciate you taking your stupidity out for the night.
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