Liveblogging the state Canvassing Board, round 3

December 12th, 2008 – 9:26 AM by Bob von Sternberg

Postcript:
After the meeting, Ritchie met with the capitol press corps in an attempt to clear up the murkiness of the board’s proceedings. Asked about board members stepping only gingerly around the counties, he said simply, “this’ll be up to the counties,” adding that most of the county officials he’s talked to “are very anxious to correct their errors.” Translation: The ball’s in their court.

Ritchie reiterated the obvious discomfort on the part of board members about the daunting number of ballot challenges that face them next week, calling it the board’s “biggest job.” “It’s the big gorilla in the room, so to speak.” If the campaigns get the total number of challenges below 1,000, the board members can finish the job in four days, he said. If more remain, they’ll take as long as it takes to review them. Once again, he thanked the campaign lawyers for reducing their challenges, but fretted that the reduction “is just not [happening] as fast as is needed.”

10:59 a.m.
Recess, until next Tuesday.

10:55 a.m.
Board members unanimously voted to ask the canvassing boards in the state’s 87 counties to count the “allegedly” improperly rejected ballots and. All stressed that this is just a recommendation, given the fact that the board has no authority to order the counties to do the job.

Yet again, the prospect of the whole process spinning into court was raised by several board members, noting that either of the campaigns could go to a county’s district court to ask that the local elections officials be compelled to count the ballots — something the board members repeatedly acknowledged they can’t do.

They initially punted on further asking the counties to submit their amended vote counts but said they fully expect the counties will forward the new counts. Ritchie prodded them to say the local canvass should be “opened, amended and sent to us — tells them we expect those [ballots] to come to us.” In the end, they backed off on saying much of anything beyond a vague expectation that the amended vote counts will somehow show up before the board next week.

Ritchie chided both campaigns for burying his office in paper at a time when he said the lawyers should be devoting their energies to chipping away at the mountain of challenged ballots. He warned them: “I’m gonna manage this process so we finish on the 19th. Everyone should hear this message.”

Final understatement of the day, from Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson: “We’re in very much uncharted water here.”

10:10 a.m.
On to the improperly rejected absentee ballots. So far, in 49 counties, 4,823 rejected ballots have been examined and 638 of those were determined by local officials to have been wrongfully rejected, Deputy Secretary of State Jim Gelbmann reported. If that trend holds true, with more than 13 percent of the votes tossed improperly, that would end up totalling 1,587 statewide, he said.

“It looks like a significant number,” Ritchie said, turning to Swanson. She said her staff started with the assumption that “every lawful vote should count.” The improperly rejected ballots were cast by “voters who did everything right on Election Night,” she said. “They followed the rules … they had their votes rejected through no fault of their own.”

She said a review of case law found that the board members can neither count the votes themselves, nor order the county election officials to count them. The board can, however, ask the county canvassing boards to count the improperly rejected ballots and report the new totals to the board in amended reports.

9: 47 a.m.
Next up, the 133 ballots from Minneapolis. City elections director Cindy Reichert gave a brief rundown of how the ballots disappeared from Ward 3 Precinct 1. “We were quite busy, there was a lot going on,” she noted. Her bottom line: “We determined definitively the ballots were missing” — a contention that’s been dismissed by Coleman’s team. Reichert recommended that the board accept the number of votes in the precinct counted on Election Night: 2,028 (which is actually 132 votes higher than recounted because of what she called an insigificant math error).

Attorney General Lori Swanson said that based on case law, the board can accept the number counted on Election Night “if you believe those [votes] were cast and counted on Election Night.”

After several board members questioned Reichert about her calculations about the vote totals, she stated simply, “I am convinced those are correct.”

Board member Eric Magnuson, the Supreme Court’s Chief Justice, moved that the board certify the Election Night count of 2,028 votes and the board adopted the motion unanimously. Magnuson noted that court precedents have noted that a challenge to that decision would rely on firm evidence and “if you don’t have the ballots, you don’t have evidence. I believe the office here acted in the best interest of the public.”

He also noted that the issue “no doubt” is headed for court.

9:39 a.m.
Update on ballot challenges: Of a total of 6,655 submitted by both campaigns, that number has been whittled to 4,472, a task the board will take up next week.
Board member Kathleen Gearin issued an audible sigh and delivered both sides with a none-too-subtle tongue lashing: “I hope these challenges are serious,” she said. “This is about every Minnesotan’s right to vote … You’d have to be deaf and dumb, uh, intellectually challenged, not to hear people wondering if all these challenges are serious. I just hope both sides are respecting every single ballot they see. Please, please, be serious.”

9:34 a.m.
The board reconvenes. In the understatement of the morning, Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, the board’s chair, opens by saying the proceeding is rife with “high energy and a lot of emotion.”

9:20 a.m.

The curtain’s scheduled to go back up in a few minutes on the state Canvassing Board’s deliberations in the never-ending Franken v. Coleman slugfest. This time, the five board members have to decide whether they’ll count hundreds of so-called “improperly” rejected absentee ballots. There are potentially enough of them to decide the election; Team Franken wants them counted, while Coleman’s folks don’t.

It’s not at all clear what, if anything, the board members will do about the ballots. They’re armed with an opinion from the Attorney General’s office (which they haven’t made public) which advises them whether they even have the power to deal with the ballots or can simply pass on the issue. Which would likely lead the dispute into the courts.

Also: Board members are expected to take up the still-vexing issue of the 133 missing ballots from a precinct in Minneapolis’ Dinkytown neighborhood.

Stay tuned.

58 Responses to "Liveblogging the state Canvassing Board, round 3"

dare2sayit.com says:

December 12th, 2008 at 9:33 am

These ballots were rejected, end of story. Let’s just wrap this whole thing up and be finished with it.

parthian says:

December 12th, 2008 at 10:26 am

Typical democracy-hating authoritarian sentiment from a closet Nazi.

Why do you hate America and its fundamental institutions (like voting) so much, 2D?

Heil, Rushbo!

And the Minneapolis elections officials have already identified some absentee ballots that were rejected for no legal reason, thus they were improperly rejected—no need for Colemanesque “quote” marks around the term.

Is Norm back from his Hooverite vote against the US auto industry last night? Nice to see our Northern senator voting with the troglodyte anti-union Southern Repubs in filibustering the American economy last night—that’s some real visonary leadership, Hollow Norm.

“Conservative” Repubs have no problem with (obscene) “wages” for investment bankers when bailing out Wall Street, but “wages” for ordinary schmoe union stiffs are a deal breaker for a (much smaller) Detroit bailout. Hey, white working class schmoes, who do you think really “represents” you?

Norm read about the Great Depression and concluded Hoover was right, just like our hapless Guv’nor Tim Pinhead. Great work “conservatives”, perhaps people can eat ideology for Christmas dinner!

leeinmpls says:

December 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am

Things seem to be going as they should. When the recount is done, all disputed and wrongly discarded ballots included, let the chips lay where they fall.

Wingnutz have no honor or integrity. They want to win by any means. We should be happy to live in a State that has an honest Secretary Of State.

parthian says:

December 12th, 2008 at 11:49 am

The Board is scrupulously following existing law and precedent, with every ruling being based on advice from the MN Attorney General.

We’re not Illinois, thank goodness for small favors…..of course Repubs like Norm don’t like that too much.

And thanks to Bob von Sternberg for this excellent blogging.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 12th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

“We’re not Illinois, thank goodness for small favors”

They have the biggest political cesspool of corruption in the country, ALL DEMOCRATS of course.

Les says:

December 12th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

Anyone know why the rejections were “improper”? Sure would like to hear that. Until they identify why they were rejected, the quotation marks are more than appropriate.

Unless, of course, you merely want to take Frankens word for it.

Heil, Barak…and AL, of course.

Enjoy the irony when they find the majority of the “improperly rejected” ballots are Coleman votes.

parthian says:

December 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

“enjoy the irony when….majority are Coleman votes”

As much as I love irony, it won’t bother me in the slightest, at least not that the votes were counted. If a vote was legally supposed to be counted, it should get counted.

Progressives don’t hate democracy and put Party over Country ™, Les—Authoritarian Repubs (like 2D and Cash) do that. Tough to understand, I know.

The absentee rejections were improper because there was no identifiable reason to reject them—names correct, submitted on time, signed correctly, etc. And those are the determinations of the county election officials (see the post above), Franken and his “word” have nothing to do with it….

parthian says:

December 12th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

Now the democracy-hating Coleman has announced he’s suing to stop the absentee ballots from being counted as the canvassing board requested. Of course, he has to stop these votes from being counted as he might fall behind if they are counted and, well, that might sort of look bad for his chances.

So we’re off into Minnesota’s version of Bush v Gore, apparently. Repeat after me, wingnut authoritarians: “STOP THE RECOUNT!!” Got it? Good.

Once a Bush Boy, always a Bush Boy, eh, Norm?

SgtPendleton says:

December 12th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

You mean count the actual votes people cast? Parthian, why do you hate America?

dare2sayit.com says:

December 12th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

I bet if Colemen and Franken repeated the election like they did in Georgia, Coleman would win in a landslide.

adlib says:

December 12th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

D2 Re. “We’re not Illinois, thank goodness for small favors…
They have the biggest political cesspool of corruption in the country, ALL DEMOCRATS of course.”

I believe there’s an honor roll of REPUBLICAN politicians gone to jail for corruption also. No they’re not political prisoners and yes they come from states other than Illinois.

The REPUBLICAN PARTY calls itself a big tent party, but some of its prominent “family values” preachers ought to be sub caucusing with the Log Cabin Republicans. Intsead they get political points for denouncing the gay lifestyle. And the fact that those who could out them for their hypocrisy keep silent makes me wonder if there’s not some corruption and blackmail going on there too.

Cash N. Carey says:

December 12th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

adlib – Show us the proof of your claims or are you just spouting anti-Christian hatred?

God bless you Norm!

dare2sayit.com says:

December 12th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

adlib,

The Republicans trys to get rid of their scummy politicans, while the democrats promote theirs. Barney Frank’s live in boyfriend was running a gay wh0rehouse out of their shared apartment, and after this was exposed Barney got a promotion. The same with Gerry Studds and his molestation of an underage male intern.

SgtPendleton says:

December 12th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Yes, and Larry Craig’s not really gay – he just has a wide stance and likes to tap his toes.

SgtPendleton says:

December 12th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Yes, and Larry Craig’s not really gay – he just has a wide stance and likes to tap his toes.

SgtPendleton says:

December 12th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

…and I forgot to mention: my dad can beat up your dad.

adlib says:

December 12th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

CNC re.”adlib – Show us the proof of your claims or are you just spouting anti-Christian hatred?”

re. proof? Google Norm or Larry for what’s being said other than in the Strib, but here’s a campaign add for John Cornyn of Texas. Y’all in the Lone Star faction will love this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA4DiZasp2U

Re. anti-Christian hatred? I’m just against hatred by “Christians.” You “kill a commie for Christ” guys have no clue what being a Christian means.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 12th, 2008 at 10:10 pm

adlib,

John Cornyn of Texas had kind of a stupid commercial, but he was the best person for the job. The host of the show wasn’t very funny, was that from some local cable access channel?

adlib says:

December 12th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

D2 I agree the host kind of spoiled the video by cutting in. I don’t know who the “Young Turks” are but Cornyn can’t distance himself from that commercial which he had to have done a few takes for.

Les says:

December 13th, 2008 at 10:33 am

Parthain wrote:

The absentee rejections were improper because there was no identifiable reason to reject them—names correct, submitted on time, signed correctly, etc. And those are the determinations of the county election officials (see the post above), Franken and his “word” have nothing to do with it….
—-

No offense, but that’s yur take on it.. I’ve yet to see any reports on why these ballots were rejected, and why the ballots rejected were improper. Rumors about signatures, yes, but reports on the actual reasons, Zero..
There may be 87 different ones, but until Franken backs up HIS claim, I have reservations. Like you said, these were the determination of the county election officials, and while you may not see why they were rejected, it doesnt mean they were’nt rejected for a good reason. All I’m asking is for the reasons FRANKEN thinks they were improperly rejected.

I have no problem counting properly submitted absentee ballots, in fact, mine was one of them. I can tell you it aint hard to do right. I can also tell you it was counted, as the wifey noted the annotation next to my name when she signed in election day (AV).

SgtPendleton says:

December 13th, 2008 at 10:55 am

Didn’t Franken just submit a ton of affadavits from people who had their absentee ballots rejected? For example, one lady had a stroke and her signature didn’t match. There were also a number of administrative and clerical reasons why they were rejected Les. I don’t know what those were.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am

It’s good to know that at least some of the votes are being looked at and rejected, especially with the democrat voter fraud group ACORN out causing problems.

Dora says:

December 13th, 2008 at 11:22 am

One of the Strib stories about the canvassing board meeting said that 127 absentees were rejected because either the voter or the witness did not date the envelope. MN election law doesn’t address that, it only says it has to have a signature so those are also considered wrongly rejected.

I also know from my experience in my precinct that absentees were delivered to the wrong precinct on election night and were not counted. I read that mentioned in one of the stories too. After talking with other election judges that seems to happen in every election. I never realized those don’t ever get counted.

The Strib has a table of rejected absentees by reason (http://tinyurl.com/6cmu54) It doesn’t provide detail to the “mistakenly rejected” ballots but it has an interesting category called : “Reason 3a: Voter not registered; however, it appears there may be a voter registration card in secrecy envelope” and there’s 40 of those statewide so far. The instructions for returning a registration card with an absentee ballot doesn’t include what envelope to put it in it only says: “New voters must fill out, sign and return a registration card.”

dare2sayit.com says:

December 13th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

“Botched raid costs Minneapolis $600,000″

http://www.startribune.com/local/36059839.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUF

Actually it’s closer to ONE MILLION because the city will also pick up almost $200,000 in mortgage payments. Again, liberals are being very generous with taxpayers money.

We really need to get a handle on lawsuit abuse. It’s unfortuanate that police received bad information and entered the wrong house looking for dangerous gang members, but they were only trying to make the city safer. There is no way Minneapolis taxpayers should be responsible for this outragous settlement, and there have been many more like this.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 13th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

“Botched raid costs Minneapolis $600,000″

http://www.startribune.com/local/36059839.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUF

Actually it’s closer to ONE MILLION because the city will also pick up almost $200,000 in mortgage payments. Again, liber*ls are being very generous with taxpayers money.

We really need to get a handle on lawsu*t abuse. It’s unfortuanate that police received bad information and entered the wrong house looking for dangerous g*ng members, but they were only trying to make the city safer. There is no way Minneapolis taxpay*rs should be responsible for this outragous settlem*nt, and there have been many more like this.

John E Iacono says:

December 13th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

At this point in the process I have two concerns:

1. Paper ballots are kept, and supposedly kept secure, for one reason: that it is rather easily possible for the voting machines to be wrong or to be manipulated. When the machine is found to have “counted” over 100 ballots which are found not to exist, the machine must be adjusted to the actual count.

All one has to do to make the machine “overcount” is to run a few ballots through the machine extra times. The machine does not mark or punch a ballot to prevent this (I wish it did.)

If the canvassing board persists in “counting” those nonexistent ballots, I will NEVER accept this recount unless the margin is greater than the advantage thus given Franken.

As an election judge who knows the rules about how ballots are to be safeguarded, and assuming that those rules were adhered to, I am deeply disappointed and disillusioned about this decision.

2. I do not believe “every vote” should be counted — I believe only “properly cast votes” should be counted.

As Les says, “It ain’t hard to do it right.”

Les says:

December 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

I agree the “it appears a card is inside” ballots should be opened and counted if the card is there.. Still nothing on what all the “mistakes” are. I’m certian it wast 1600 strokes…

But the real problem is the “counties not reviewing rejected ballots on advice of concil” It’s gotta be they’re all reviewed, or none, Either you trust the county officials or not, and if you trust them, you should probably accept their inital decision, made when they were unaware of how close the race may be.

I find it rather odd that Ritchie is not ordering this review, merely recommending it. If the canvassing board cant order it, you’d think the SOS could, or at least refuse to certify results until it was done.

It’s getting to be a bigger mess every day, aint it,

Les says:

December 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

lawsuit abuse??? The swat team started shooting in the wrong house..The court award was either negotiated or awarded by jury.. Where’s the abuse?

You wouldnt want restitution and punative damages if they broke into you house and shot it up for no reason???? That’d be OK with you?

BTW, what does this have to do with the recount, were they after the dinkytown 133 (or is that 132 now)

dare2sayit.com says:

December 13th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

Les,

The problem I have with the whole thing is that the liberal Minneapolis city council is very generous in passing out close to a Million dollars in taxpayer money. The police aren’t penalized, the taxpayers are. Is that fair?

adlib says:

December 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

D2 : “We really need to get a handle on lawsu*t abuse.”

Les: “lawsuit abuse??? The swat team started shooting in the wrong house..”

Right on Les! OK, D2, you can disavow bigotry by confessing that you’re a member of the same Asian minority as the litigants.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Adlib,

I’m against taxpayers having to fork over HUGE amounts of money like this for a mistake the police made in trying to make the neighborhood safer. Aren’t taxes too high in Minneapolis the way it is?

SgtPendleton says:

December 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am

Classic D2 — Mr Personal Responsibility, but is willing to drop that principle when it’s convenient. Yes, stop wasting taxpayer money on sick children – I want the police to clean all the minorities out of my neighborhood!

Les and John – not sure if you read Dora’s post, but the only thing “wrong” with a lot of those ballots is that a state employee sent them to the wrong address — the voters did everything right. It was a clerical/administrative error, and the votes didn’t get counted because of that.

Not everything is as simple as you think.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 14th, 2008 at 9:59 am

Sarge,

All I’m saying is that lawsuits are out of control and it’s a huge cost to taxpayers. Why are you lying about what I said?

Les says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:36 am

Not everything is as simple as you think

Ah, but it is after all.. If you are saying that a clerk sent the ballots to the wrong precinct, and they weren’t counted for that reason.. Great.. In every case that happened the AB should be counted.

Not so tough when the reasons are given, is it?

It’s semantics, but improperly rejected implies review by the proper authority, Misrouting and not counting a ballot is not a rejection, per se. All I’ve asked for is the reasons for the this request from the requestor. So far, the reasons given have been all anecdotal.

D2; Do you seriously think the police envolved in that incident didnt suffer some administrative “counselling”? What are the chances for promotion for the on scence commander??

Who do you think should foot the bill for police mistakes? The PD isnt exactly a profit center for the city.

If you want to complain about frivolous lawsuits, I wont argue with you, but this one is far from frivolous, and innocent folks could have been killed.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Les,

I’m glad you agree that lawsuits are out of control.

Again, this was an unfortunate incident, and the only reason police fired shots was because they were being shot at, and by some very dangerous people in their minds at the time. At least no one was shot or killed.

I would expect more from the city than a simple apology, but an $800,000 penaly on taxpayers is far too excessive as far as I’m concerned.

John E Iacono says:

December 14th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Sarge,

I’m not certain what you are talking about, but I was talking about the 130+ ballots that WERE run through the voting machine but WERE NOT present when the actual paper ballots were counted.

Had nothing to do with absentee ballots, which is a whole ‘nother situation.

John E Iacono says:

December 14th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

As I continue to consider factors that might have influenced the rejection of absentee ballots, one other thought comes to mind:

I wonder if amongst the rejected ballots there might be the names of persons widely known in the community to be of one political persuasion or another. There might be room for chicanery in that corner.

Otherwise, observing the normal procedure for validating an absentee ballot, it seems to me that most rejected ballots would have been rejected for some valid reason, although it appears some centers may have been more strict than aothers about the rules.

For instance, if a person presented a ballot in person, and no witness signature was on it, it could simply be that the one receiving it overlooked signing it as a witness. Later, this would be seen as a defect, because the lack of a witness removes the proof that the person signing is the one named on the ballot.

Our absentee balloting process it pretty bullet proof, but mailed in ballots are subject to defective by persons who ignore the rules. We should probably require notification of the voter if his/her ballot is rejected, and state the reason why. Early defective ballots , at least, then could be corrected.

John E Iacono says:

December 14th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

“than OTHERS…

“subject to DEFECT…”

What happens when one neglects to proofread. Sorry about that.

adlib says:

December 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Both Norm and Al need an uneqivocal resolution to the Senate contest soon.
Al needs if so he can get to work on the business of the Senate.

Norm needs a resolution soon but not only for that reason. He needs to be declared the winner before MN.’s governor has to appoint a replacement for him due to Senate ethics violations.

Picture a legal contest in the Supreme Court where Norm is declared the winner of the State contest after having already been ejected from the Senate. Considering that according to the Constitution Bush vs. Gore should probably have been decided in Congress, the current scenario would be equally unprecedented.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 14th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

More whining from the left. Norm is much more honorable than leftist Al Franken.

Richard says:

December 14th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

Whining from the left is that every legal vote is counted? D2 with every post you demostrate you are devolpmentally challenged. I apologize for ever making you try and compete with try and keep up. D2 if you and your mop and bucket can contribute I admire your effort.

dare2sayit.com says:

December 14th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

If only legal votes counted Dick, Franken wouldn’t have a chance. I’m afraid that the democrat voter fraud group ACORN has make things closer than they should be.

Les says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Richard, you are such a tool. At least this time you didnt level your hypocritical bigot label.

You know full well D2 was refering to adlibs refereces to the bogus charges levied againt Coleman,not the recount.

Al need this resolved so he can finally consider moving back to California, not to do the states business.

Les says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Richard, you are such a tool. At least this time you didnt level your hypocritical bigot label.

You know full well D2 was refering to adlibs refereces to the bogus charges levied againt Coleman,not the recount.

Al need this resolved so he can finally consider moving back to California, not to do the states business.

Cash N. Carey says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

adlib – some of your buddies did a nice job on Gov. Palin’s church. You must be proud.

Cash N. Carey says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I hope you all are safely out of the “global warming” weather. Earth is now colder than it was in 1940.

adlib says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

CNC. Didn’t hear the story about Gov. Palin’s church but if somebody desecrated anybody’s place of worship its not only a crime but politically stupid. Don’t know any Alaskans.

I was wondering if Norm was going to move back east anyway if he lost the election to Wellstone six years ago. He won that election so living in DC was normal. But where will the Coleman’s reside if Norm doesn’t win this time? Maybe they’ll be the ones moving to California.

adlib says:

December 14th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

CNC, 1940 was during a hot period in the 20th century coinciding with a world war. There are some who believe the two phenomena are related. I hope that’s not altogether true because we are surely in for some hotter times than that. Thankfully things cooled down a bit from the 1940′s temperatures, but these warmer periods come in cycles.

Core samples from the polar ice sheet, which has been around for eons, provided some kind of record for the temperatures down through the ages. But above a certain baseline temperature the polar ice will be gone. Some say that could be within the next decade and that’s not good news.

Les says:

December 15th, 2008 at 8:09 am

But where will the Coleman’s reside if Norm doesn’t win this time? Maybe they’ll be the ones moving to California.

I dont believe even you believe what you just wrote.

When Franken looses, you start counting the days. I bet it wont be more than 18 months before he’s gone off somewhere else.

Richard says:

December 15th, 2008 at 11:42 am

Les, from the AP:

Of the 2.9 million votes already recounted, Coleman leads Franken by fewer than 200. But the AP’s analysis of the 3,500 challenges found that nearly 300 wouldn’t benefit either man because the voter clearly favored a third-party candidate or skipped the race.

The AP also found that of the 3,500 challenged ballots that easily could be assigned, Franken netted 200 more votes than Coleman. But Coleman has withdrawn significantly fewer ballot challenges than Franken — that is, the pool of challenges that can now be awarded to Franken is larger, and both campaigns announced Sunday that they would withdraw more challenges by Tuesday.

Seeya Norm, don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

Les says:

December 15th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

Nice try biggot man.. I read that one also. Note he said he couldnt review them all????

I’ll wait for the canvass board results, and leave the guessing to you and the reporters with nothing to report.

I didnt realize you were gonna see Norm off on his return trip to DC….

Richard says:

December 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

When Franken looses, you start counting the days.

I’ll wait for the canvass board results, and leave the guessing to you and the reporters with nothing to report.

Which Les will post next. The one that predicts Franken loses or the one that will wait for the canvas board results? Maybe it’ll be the one that looks to the drooling D2 for advise on human relations. We’ll have to wait and see.

Les says:

December 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Before you get to comfy with your AP reporters take, have a look at this and see how three experts find it so easy to agree…

http://www.startribune.com/galleries/35736884.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUxWoW_oD:EaDUiacyKUU

Les says:

December 15th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Biggot man has no reply, resorts to personal attack.. Why am I not surprised.

The only real surprise is he has yet to call me an anti-semite, or some such other buzzword designed to make him feel good about his hypocritical stances.

Yes, I predict Franken will loose in the end.. It’s a prediction, so it has to predate the board returns, n’est-pas?? It is also just as valid as your AP reports CONCLUSION that Franken picks up 200 votes even though he couldn’t review 20 percent of the ballots…..

parthian says:

December 15th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

How exactly is Richard the “biggot” around here?

adlib, don’t waste your breath on Preacher Cash, another rightwing sewage-gulper on every topic, especially global warming. A hopeless deadender, just another “conservative” millstone around the neck of the country and planet.

adlib says:

December 15th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

Spell check time. Born to lose or born too loose? (Hint: “Too Loose” Lautrec wins again at Sothebys.)

adlib says:

December 15th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Les, re. “Who do you think should foot the bill for police mistakes? The PD isnt exactly a profit center for the city.:”

To say the least. Very good point. And D2 has a point too. There is some deep rooted rot in this department that’s never been purged involving the street drug franchise in Mpls. This dept. will go on costing taxpayers early until we say enough. STRIB webmaster. My identity, I trust, is safe with you.

adlib says:

December 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

bigot
One entry found.
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

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