Blogging the recount: Contest coming
January 5th, 2009 – 3:05 PM by Mike KaszubaIn a press conference, Coleman recount lawyer Tony Trimble vowed: “We will contest the results of the canvassing board” — apparently within 24 hours.
The challenge will be focused on alleged double votes; the 654 rejected absentee ballots the Coleman camp had sought unsuccessfully to include, and and so-called “excess votes.”
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What a surprise! (not)
It’s nice to see that MN will be denied its second senator for several months at a critical moment in US history solely because of Hollow Norm’s moral weakness, smallness of character and lack of concern for the people of “his” state–and the country, frankly.
Country First! (satire)
This “recount” is seriouly flawed!
From Anti-Strib:
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George Soros funded the Secretary of State campaign of Mark Ritchie so that Ritchie would be in a position to influence any close elections to the Democrat’s favor. He sure is getting his money’s worth in Minnesota.
Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as “duplicate” and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes.
OK. This statistic is all anyone should need to know that this count is fatally flawed. There should not bo more votes than signatures if the procedures were followed.
This disenfranchises Minnesotans whose vote counted only once. And one Canvassing Board member, State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, has acknowledged that “very likely there was a double counting.” Yet the board insists that it lacks the authority to question local officials and it is merely adding the inflated numbers to the totals.
Translation: “Yeah we know that this count is complete bullsh|t but we don’t care as long as Franken wins.”
In other cases, the board has been flagrantly inconsistent. Last month, Mr. Franken’s campaign charged that one Hennepin County (Minneapolis) precinct had “lost” 133 votes, since the hand recount showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge — officials may have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on Election Night — the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes.
Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he’s benefited both ways from the board’s inconsistency.
I can only hope that Mark Ritchie spends his remaining days tied up in court explaining his inconsistent application of the law. I’d suggest that we start a movement to impeach Mark Ritchie.
This blog won’t let me post the EXACT same comment that I posted on Think Again, but you can find out how crooked the “recount” is by visiting this site:
Sorry, there must have been a long delay in viewing it.
More Soros BS.
“But it appears that some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted…”
That’s BULLSH!T D2. Just because you can’t find the additional ballot doesn’t mean that it was counted. We don’t know why the copy wasn’t marked as a duplicate, nor do we know what happened to the other ballot. It’s a huge leap. It’s like saying, “Well, I can’t find my dog, therefore you must have hit him with your car.”
Sarge,
Why are there more votes than voters in MANY cases?
Caroline Kennedy, what a bright liberal woman! ya know.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV7uQsUMT9c
I wonder how the liberal media would have treated Sarah Palin if she ever had a hilarious interview like this?
Why are there more ballots counted than voters who signed in to vote on election day? Because wrongly rejected absentee ballots were counted in the recount that weren’t counted on election day. So those wouldn’t have been entered into the voter registration book on election day and they wouldn’t have been run through the machine. Duh!
No proof that 133 ballots are missing? Except for that pesky missing envelope 1 of 5. And the board included the machine count because that’s what has been done in previous recounts in which ballots were lost.
The 177 ballots were found in the broken machine. And show me where anybody, including Coleman’s lawyers, have claimed that precinct has more ballots than voters who signed in.
Ritchie didn’t apply the law, the MN Supreme Court did. Coleman went to court because the Canvassing board said they couldn’t rule on the double vote claim. When the court asked Coleman’s lawyer for evidence of double counting he couldn’t provide any. That’s why his petition was dismissed.
And there is documentation that it was Coleman who insisted that duplicates without originals be counted over the objections of the election officials and Franken.
2D’s “ant-strib” post is merely the WSJ editorial, which is simply wrong on all the “facts” it alleges. Just more wingnuts spreading lies and disinformation, the usual MO.
Nate Silver just put up a lenghtly post at 538.com addressing these WSJ lies point by point. Suffice it to say, 2D has been guzzling right wing sewage from his wingnut cesspools as usual, and doesn’t know truth from falsehood as a result—drunk on sh*t again, 2D, and so early in the evening!
Dora,
25 precints have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. How can this be accurate in ANY way, except in the twisted ACORN world?
Again, George Soros spent his money well on backing ACORN goon Mark Ritchie!
And BQ’s own Dora has now just done the same debunking of wingnut sewage—even better that 538!
Thanks, Dora.
DTSI-bot, can’t you read?
What exactly did Ritchie do? Some vague partisan claim is meaningless.
2D, you’re so stupid, you can’t even understand that Dora just explained it to you—-but because this topic is far, far too complicated for your simpleton mind, it will remain beyond your understanding forever, just like addition and compound interest.
It helps of course, that you don’t WANT to understand it in the slightest, that’s what the coaches of your crappy Team Conservative rely on, the willful blindness of the conservative white male pawns they mislead.
Now go out and scrap some snow off the neighbor’s driveway, 2D, that’s what your brain was made for.
Thanks parthian.
I’ve been following the live feed of the recount over at theuptake.org. That WSJ piece is just so obviously false. But without hesitation the rw spews it as gospel.
DFL Dora, Comrade Partisan,
How can a precinct produce more votes than the number of people voting? Shouldn’t these numbers come out equal if things are counted right?
“That WSJ piece”
The Wall Street Journal, what a Right Wing Extremist piece of trash, eh Dora!
BTW, the local election officials also appeared before the canvassing board, explained the situation(s) and their decisions in each case and recommended that the Board accept their determinations, which they did, unanimously.
Not that reason, explanation and evidence have any place in the wingnut “mind”. It’s always more easily explained as a Lib’rul Conspiracy via the All-Powerful Wizard Soros. What useless, pinheaded dead-enders.
how much is 1+1, 2D?
Only a liberal would believe that producing more votes than people who voted makes sense and is reasonable, but then again, they buy into the “Global Warming” hoax as well.
DTSI-bot, there are not “more votes than people who voted”. And that’s not what the WSJ claimed either “…more ballots than voters who signed in to vote.”
“More ballots than voters who signed in to vote” is not the same as “more votes than people who voted”.
Because wrongly rejected absentee ballots were included in the recount there would be more ballots now than voters who signed in to vote on election day.
I’m sure you’ll continue to feign ignorance. Unless of course you really are that ignorant. And I’m not counting that possiblity out.
There weren’t more votes than people who voted, you pinhead, that’s the WSJ’s error, and Dora explained how the WSJ editorial foolishly made the error—or intentionally lied about something they knew was false, who knows?
You’re just too much of a cretin to understand her explanation, and we can’t do “special needs” postings at BQ.
How can you two liberals think that this “recount” effort has resembled anything close to being fair?
Besides that, I hope someone makes the effort to go through some of these votes and find out how many fraudulent ACORN votes there were for Franken. I’m sure this number would far exceed anything he would lead by, even with Mark Ritchie’s help.
D2 says “The Wall Street Journal, what a Right Wing Extremist piece of trash, eh Dora!”
I doubt that Rupert Murdoch would have acquired anything worthless. Nonetheless, due to its current editorial bias its credibility may be worth less than the laurels it’s resting on.
Speaking of “Globull Warming”
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Levels as 1979!
www.dailytech.com/Sea+Ice+Ends+Year+at+Same+Level+as+1979/article13834.htm
Wasn’t this about the same time liberal activists were warning of “Global Cooling” and the coming “Ice Age”?
It’s winter in the northern hemisphere hence the sea ice. Come summer we can all fish there for red herring…from a boat. No kidding though, visit Glacier Park while there’s still glaciers, and soon the off season skiing won’t be too great either. The Rockies will become less picturesque without the snow caps. Sell that desert property now and beat the rush to well watered regions.
adlib,
Our hottest period was in the 30’s. Did man cause that as well?
“find out how many fraudulent ACORN votes there were for Franken…”
Incredibly the WSJ editorial doesn’t even mention this fact! Nor does Coleman! How can this be?!
How can we liberal think the recount has been fair?
Because we are able to follow the proceedings and understand the issues and what’s happening. And because we can completely counter and debunk all the false claims made by the wingnut WSJ, while you can’t even mouth a reply—because you don’t know anything and can’t think.
You’re the American equivalent of the 8 year old muslim boy rocking furiously on his prayer mat at the local madras, memorizing your Konservative Koran—utterly a creature of “faith”, and probably much more irrational than the little muslim kid.
“It’s winter in the northern hemisphere hence the sea ice.”
Yes, and at the same levels as 1979 when the liberal “Global Cooling” alarm bells were going off.
“How can we liberal think the recount has been fair?”
Because you are liberals who feel the end justifies the means.
And Partisan, you probably side with the terrorist group Hamas in this conflict, don’t you?
“Our hottest period was in the 30s”
No, it wasn’t.
Plus as I’ve told you before, it’s the average global temps that matter for GLOBAL warming (hence the name, cretin), not any individual county’s annual numbers.
But again, as with the recount, you can’t understand new information, don’t understand what you’re “reading” and “writing” about, don’t want to understand, and very likely (given your natural attaction to “conservatism”) are simply too stupid ever to understand.
Understand?
“No, it wasn’t.”
I believe it was Partisan.
“sea ice at 1979 levels….liberal global cooling”
1. There was never a claim or consenus by the scientific community that global cooling was occurring in the 70s—that’s a wingnut myth from right wing cesspools.
2. I doubt that the claim is accurate. But it’s the level of ancient, super durable old arctic ice that matters, not new superficial ice, which will be melted by next June. But your wingnut cesspools don’t tell you that, you can’t undertsand it, and don’t want to anyway.
I see DTSI-bot has conceded that he’s spouting ignorant babble about the recount since he’s changed the subject.
“I see DTSI-bot has conceded that he’s spouting ignorant babble about the recount since he’s changed the subject.”
Dora,
It’s just that there are soooo many flaws to liberalism that it’s tempting to veer off topic and throw something new out.
I’ll check beck with you liberals later. It’s bedtime for me having to get up before 4:00 AM
Have a good night!
dare2sayit.com
I am so sorry for you my dear friend!
Your sore looser Norm lost and lost to whom? Former comedian, liberal and not politician at all, Al Franken!!! What a humiliation to GOP, Norm and to you personally!!! The truth is that stinky GOP is now loosing everywhere, on all fronts, and all what had left to people like you is whining and crying how screwed the whole proccess is. Be prepared: it’s just a beginning, in 2010 GOP will loose even more. As a GOP supporter you will have to adjust yourself to be in permanent minority and to live under liberal rule for a long, long time. Country has finally rejected conservatives with full heart, my friend.
No room for D2 in the new GOP. You’re going to need to form your own party. Maybe Bachmann can be your main gal?
“SgtPendleton says:
January 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“Being from St. Louis Park. He took all that trustfund money and made a man of himself.”
WTF is that supposed to mean?”
It means That a certain moron, born with a silver spoon (big enough to gag his mother) in his mouth is nothing more than a fortunate soul, not a self made man as parthian believes.
He is a washed up comedian (I use that word loosley), p0rnographic bathroom humor author (again the word is a loose fit) of little if any intellect. To have this dipstick represent the people of minnesota because the alternative is another lackluster loser of the opposing party is a joke too funny for Frankenberries stand up routine.
“SgtPendleton says:
January 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“Being from St. Louis Park. He took all that trustfund money and made a man of himself.”
WTF is that supposed to mean?”
It means That a certain moron, born with a silver spoon (big enough to gag his mother) in his mouth is nothing more than a fortunate soul, not a self made man as parthian believes.
He is a washed up comedian (I use that word loosley), p0rnogr@phic bathroom humor author (again the word is a loose fit) of little if any intellect. To have this dipstick represent the people of minnesota because the alternative is another lackluster loser of the opposing party is a joke too funny for Frankenberries stand up routine.
Oops , hiccup.
Hiccups are fine since it’s a funny post. You need to realize how delusional the lefties are here: they have long ago sent most bloggers running for the hills. Franken is a dork’s dork, even the lefties like McCollum and Lord Farris couldnt stand him. What a “guy.”
Meanwhile, cesspool swimming, manure spewing, wingnut, garbage-brain parth still defends the global warming hoax.
Ok, I am mocking his posts, but I digress. or regress. or……
Yet, the lefties are feeling “it,” similar to the righties in 1/05.
Good for them.
Yet, the romper room crowd who decried the “lawless Bush regime” now dont even post about:
Rangel, Mahoney, Spitzer, Blago, Richardson, much less about undeniable lawbreaking by Dems, ie hacking palin’s email or Joe’s computer record invasion, etc
Yet, I am sure Private or Darthian or election judge dorka will soon appear to spread their wingnut, garbage filled, sewage flavored spin about why the Dems being arrested left and right? are actually a sign of good things to come in 2009.
:o) = future elections await.
re:”It means That a certain moron, born with a silver spoon (big enough to gag his mother) in his mouth is nothing more than a fortunate soul, not a self made man as parthian believes.”
Are you familiar with Al Franken’s bio or does his middle class family’s wealth seem enormous in your eyes? Self-made, yes unless you think being a regular on SNL is like being on welfare.
Norm said “I don’t do comedy.” Then why does he sue his opponent in each and every election he’s in. He’s right. Not funny. Sad.
This thread started …Coleman recount lawyer Tony Trimble vowed: “We will contest the results of the canvassing board.”
And Mr. Franken goes to Washington unless Cornyn and McConnell filibuster their arses off and the Republican rump holds together to sustain it and prevent a cloture vote.
D2SI - thanks for the link that shows the lies of the global warming brigade. I was going to post it myself but you beat me to it. Great job in bringing facts to the table (again).
There is an interesting article on the Senate race that indicates why Franken will win. There are now more ballots counted in 25 precincts than there were voters. Hmmm, I wonder how that could happen.
CNC links to the fact-less WSJ piece and can’t read any better than DTSI-bot.
I’ll repost my previous response when DTSI-bot repeated the same garbage.
Why are there more ballots counted than voters who signed in to vote on election day? Because wrongly rejected absentee ballots were counted in the recount that weren’t counted on election day. So those wouldn’t have been entered into the voter registration book on election day and they wouldn’t have been run through the machine. Duh!
No proof that 133 ballots are missing? Except for that pesky missing envelope 1 of 5. And the board included the machine count because that’s what has been done in previous recounts in which ballots were lost.
The 177 ballots were found in the broken machine. And show me where anybody, including Coleman’s lawyers, have claimed that precinct has more ballots than voters who signed in.
Ritchie didn’t apply the law, the MN Supreme Court did. Coleman went to court because the Canvassing board said they couldn’t rule on the double vote claim. When the court asked Coleman’s lawyer for evidence of double counting he couldn’t provide any. That’s why his petition was dismissed.
And there is documentation that it was Coleman who insisted that duplicates without originals be counted over the objections of the election officials and Franken.
GO saha I’m rather taken aback by the St Louis Park reference…Not exactly Edina, my friend. In fact, it’s always been kind of a middle to lower-middle class kind of place.
There’s another thing St Louis Park is known for, but you seem to make a connection between that and this “silver spoon” business.
Correct me if I’m wrong — but I think the last time a goy held this seat was 1978.
SgtP, in reference to the other thing SLP is known for, perhaps his inner anti-semitism is leaking out.
6DJ, it’s a shame your vacation is such a bust that you’re forced to post your drivel on BQ for an adequate diversion. Sounds like the trip was not money well spent! Weren’t the steaks big enough?—oh well.
I’m pleased that you think my analogy to you wingnuts guzzling sewage from right wing cesspools is so apt that you need to steal it, Jim. But of course, you guys have no imagination, and can merely ape the wit of others, so what’s a wingnut to do?
GO is caught in a factual quagmire regarding Franken’s family wealth. Presumably he’s seen some lies on “anti-strib” or some other highly reliable wing-site. Anyone who doubts Franken’s intelligence and creativity is willfully blind.
GO also seems to be quite a prude and prig if he finds Franken’s writing to be “porn8grap7ic”, although it does show that he’s willing to dutifully repost right-wing nonsense as though he believes it. Which of Franken’s books have you read, GO? Specify some examples of “porn8gra7hy” that you found in them.
Franken is a member of the new and growing “creative class” in America, (unlike most senators, especially Dullard Norm) and he will be an excellent addition to the senate.
But as Alden49 observes above, it’s tough being a dead-end wingnut these days—not that a sensible person can have the slightest sympathy for those fools who (still) eagerly gulp down demonstrated right-wing sewage as their “information” and “news”, day after day. Their retardation is utterly self inflicted.
Another ACORN member charged with Voter Registration Fraud in St. Louis.
www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mo-voterfraudcharges,0,2391787.story
It’s comforting to know that the man in charge, Mark Ritchie has close ties to the democrat vote fraud group ACORN. This is a highly skilled and organized vote fraud group, and explains how Mark Ritchie could pull off an extremely unlikely 1000 vote swing in the recount to give a phoney lead to Al Franken.
DTSI-bot, do tell exactly what role ACORN had in the recount. And how do you come up with a 1000 vote swing? Show us your math on that. And please also explain why a vote swing of that or anything less than that is “extremely unlikely”. We are all waiting for your illuminating post.
oh DTSI-bot you’ve got to do better than that article to show that ACORN did anything untoward. She worked for them for 12 days and they fired her for not following procedures and they reported her to the board of elections. So what wrong doing are you alledging here?
“DTSI-bot, do tell exactly what role ACORN had in the recount.”
Mark Ritchie is an ACORN goon Dora, and he shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near ANY recount effort.
And Dora, this woman faces 5 YEARS in prison for each count, but ACORN itself is cleaver the way it is set up and always quickly washes it’s hands of the employees after they are caught and comes out smelling like a rose. I think most people realize what a corrupt organization this is though.
“And how do you come up with a 1000 vote swing?”
It was close to 1000, maybe in the 800’s? In any case, a swing of even 10 would be unlikely Dora.
D2, I read your link and it seems the ACORN worker got fired after 12 hours of work and no fraudulent votes cast, after ACORN blew the wihistle on her.
Your link however provided another link to a story of Republican atrocity of equal or greater magnitude in my liberal opinion. See for yourself.
Gulp that wingnut sewage, 2D. You’ve really developed a taste for it!
Didn’t McCain address the ACORN annual meeting and praise their efforts? Yeah, he did. Another ACORN “goon”, I guess.
Wasn’t it a 100,000 vote swing, 2D? Maybe even a million! Don’t underestimate the demonic power of ACORN…..
Arf! Arf!
Hey, look, it’s Cretin the Wingnut Dog! He smells sewage and wants a treat! Arf!! Will you share with him, 2D?
name-calling doesn’t make your case DTSI-bot. Obviously you can’t provide anything intelligent about what involvement ACORN had in the recount. Of course since Ritchie was elected SoS and the fact that state law says the SoS has a role in the recount, he is obligated to be involved.
As for the woman charged, ACORN fired her before any allegations of voter registration fraud. They actually washed their hands of her before she was caught, in fact 12 days after she was hired, and they reported her to the elections board. That’s clearly stated in the article. I see you are again having trouble comprehending what you read. Either that or you’re willfully ignoring the truth. I tend to think it’s the latter.
A swing of even 10 would be unlikely? That of course is not the case at all. This recount shifted the final count by little more than one hundredth of one percent. Two years ago there was a recount for the St. Louis County Attorney, and the count shifted by .17%, changing the outcome of the election. In other words, that recount shifted the count more than ten times more than this recount.
And sweetie pie, don’t you know how to do math? Coleman was +215 before the recount. Franken is +225 after the recount. Is that close to 1000 or maybe in the 800’s as you claim?
Keith Olbermann and the Liberal LA Times adlib? Give me a break!
Partisan,
Are you a Communist? What don’t you ever answer that?
ROFLMAO parthian. Cretin the Wingnut Dog…
2D, thrashed and beaten to a pulp as always—thanks, adlib and Dora.
Arf! Arf!
2D! Cretin wants his sewage and you’re the only one who has some!
DTSI-bot’s circuits are overloading again. Communist….zzzziiiittt….Commu…zzziiiittt…..
But Dora, sweetbuns, I think Coleman was ahead by more than 215 the first time he won the election.
Yep, Partisan is afraid to anser my question, like always.
DTSI-bot, Coleman didn’t “win” anything. An automatic recount was triggered. And if you’re referring to election night totals you do remember that those were unofficial totals and that when the auditors validated all the numbers his official total was +215. Did you forget that pesky fact too?
“An automatic recount was triggered”
Which gave Mark Ritchie and friends the green light to pull all the shenanegans which gave Franken a phoney lead. Many votes for Franken were even counted twice, go figure!
Partisan,
You can tell me if you’re a Communist or not. It’s just me and a few liberals here right now anyway.
Once again, what “shenanegans” were pulled by Richie and “friends” (I assume you mean the judges on the Canvassing Board). Be specific.
There is no evidence that votes were counted twice. Only Coleman’s claims (and of course the WSJ op-ed). This time he’ll have to prove it even though when the MN SC asked for some proof he couldn’t provide any.
DTSI-bot, you know you look like a friggin idiot with that communist crapola. You have been asked repeatedly to say what makes you think parthian is a communist and yet you never do.
“There is no evidence that votes were counted twice.”
With the duplicate ballots for Franken, the originals were supposed to be labeled DUPLICATE, but they weren’t and can’t be found either. One of the judges involved even said that some ballots were likely counted twice. How can this be fair Dora?
“You have been asked repeatedly to say what makes you think parthian is a communist”
Isn’t it obvious? And why doesn’t he answer? He just disappears for a while after I ask him.
what’s obvious DTSI-bot is that you really can’t articulate what makes you think that.
No, no DTSI-bot, originals are not labeled duplicate. Duplicates are labeled duplicates. Originals and duplicates are supposed to be kept together. But Coleman is the one who insisted on counting duplicates that couldn’t be matched with originals over the objections of election officials and Franken. In fact Trimble sent an email to Elias criticizing him for challenging duplicates that couldn’t be matched with originals.
Do you think that only duplicates without originals were counted for Franken and not for Coleman? That’s obviously not the case.
One of the judges said it was a possiblity that ballots were double counted but Franken also documented several other possibilities. I can’t wait to read about Coleman’s proof now when he had none for the MN SC.
D2-bot, can you tell me who owns the means of production under communism?
D2 you’re not getting much help tonight.
I saw Nixon/Frost or was it Frost/ Nixon. A good movie anyway for America to see because fair and balanced. There’s a lot of them to see this season, but when I see Gran Torino I’ll keep in mind your story of the Marine who was forced to defend himself since both stories originated in the Twin Cities
Look, mighty parthian doesnt like being mocked. How sad for the garbage spewing, manure eating, pea brained simpleton who doesnt realize MN and the world just had its coldest December in 8 years. Huh? Hows that work when we’ve poured more and more CO2 in the atmosphere?
And Parth calls this anti-Eric Black blogging: “wit.” Parth, it’s simply obnoxious, like our new Senator Al Jerk.
And for those of you who either dont care who wins (ie many like me on the right) OR support Norm, feel free to read the PP press today:
Soucheray on frontpage 1B rips the recount and its clown Ritchie.
The WSJ ed is given spot #1 on the PP editorial page. Hmmm, they dont share the crooks opinions here…
Election Judge Dorie (likely not our election judge Dorka) disputes every lame Dorka and Parthian point made on this thread in the HIGHLIGHTED letter to the editor PP today.
I say let’s add Franken to this parade of Dem criminals now assuming full control. It is Corruption, Inc, thats for sure, as i say the lameOs here have no comment on all the legal woes listed above.
What, no “wit” parthian on the parade of Dem arrests and withdrawals? How about Rangel, good choice for House oversight?
The Dark Ages are just beginning…….
Obama (who inherits a MESS!) is now predicting trillion dollar deficits for YEARS to come. C’mon lefties, no more deficit outrage?? Where’s the “wit?”
;o)
Is Soucheray supposed to be some kind of neutral unbiased source? I stopped listening to him when he got all worked up about some folks in San Francisco who decided not to buy anything new for a year — who cares? When you’re getting angry about people exercising free will in a way that hurts no one…He needs a new schtick. But he keeps selling bumper stickers and tee shirts, so I suppose he’s alright with the money.
Jim, I’m not going to argue global warming with you, but please don’t insult my intelligence by suggesting that a cold winter debunks the idea.
What exactly are the “legal woes listed above”?
Don’t waste your time asking, SgtP. The best you’ll get is a slogan.
6DJ must be home from his sad and disappointing vacation, back to the daily infected abcess grind. At least he can chuckle to the antics of the moron Sooch as he gins up his brain-dead readership of ignorant, resentful conservative white males. Always the “victims”.
6DJ, as a long term yapping member of Team Conservative, we’ll look forward to your informed commentary on Dem misdeeds and crimes over the coming years. But since you’re a superficial intellectual slacker, who is remarkably ignorant and lucky to make it through the complexities of Sooch’s efforts before hankering for a double cheeseburger, I somehow doubt that we’ll learn much from you…
Google doctor Jim, Souchery simply repeats that WSJ garbage. Wow, what a surprise! Not. It’s easy to make unfounded claims. Can’t wait to see Coleman’s evidence. Of course in rw world, there is no need for evidence the claim is enough. Guess it’s that faith-based thinking they seem to rely on.
As for that LTE, she surmises that double counted votes happened when the machine kicked out a ballot and the voter got a new one which is not marked duplicate. Geez. I hope she wasn’t a head election judge.
When a ballot was kicked out it was not counted. So how could the ballot the voter then filled out and fed into the machine have caused a double count?
The duplicate ballot issue has nothing to do with spoiled ballots. It’s an issue related to ballots that the election judges recopied, typically from absentees.
6DJ, A few comments on your sources, and another on this voter cast ballot duplication nonsense.
1)Joe Soucheray’s piece ripped the entire recount process including Coleman.
2)The election day judge Dorie(one of thousands) didn’t refute a single one of the points mentioned in this blog. None. Her only point is that she “doubts” ballots were properly labeled duplicate. The question is, does she have any proof? She didn’t state any. It’s easy to make assertions, and then even easyer for others to repeat those opinions, but how about some facts?
Here’s a fact; a few days ago the Supreme Court of MN asked Colemans attorney for evidence of duplicate votes. “Show us these cast duplicate ballots” the Chief Justice said. Colemans attorney was forced to admit he had none. He was not able to show the Chief Justice of the MN Supreme Court not even one case of cast ballot duplication. Therefore The Supreme Court of MN dismissed Colemans case, saying there is no evidence of cast ballot duplication.
Now here is a question; why in the world would Colemans attorney, before the MN Supreme Court, make a hostile assertion on our recount process that he has absolutely no proof of? It seems to me, that he must either be very dumb, or very smart. What kind of attorney do you think Coleman would hire?
Now here is an opinion; Coleman’s attorney knew his argument(s) had no merit. That wasn’t the point! This was simply a part of his over all strategy to cast doubt on a legal legitimate process. His aim is to create a fiction that the masses will believe as truth, no matter how many lies he has to tell.
Jeffrey, I also think that part of the strategy is to deprive the Senate Democrats of a vote on Obama’s stimulus plan.
The Republican masses will continue to believe the election was stolen even after an election contest doesn’t overturn the results. They don’t let facts get in the way of their opinions.
Well, I posted a link to a post by Eric Black about the election contest but I don’t see it here so I’ll try again.
“faith-based thinking”
A Minnesota wingnut prayer service somewhere in Bachmannistan, Jan 6. 2009:
The Most High Priest of Wingnuttery:
“The Congregation shall rise”.
“I call upon thee Glorious Jehozephat to smite all demonic ACORN ballots, engulf all duplicating election judges with thy wrath, purge all satanic Franken ballots from the unholy ballot pool of Satan with thy Most Righteous fire and fury and restore to thy tender and deserving son, Horse Dentures Norm, the robes and reliquies of his sanctified Brooks Brothers garments, unrent, oh Jehozephat, in your name, we do BELIEVE! and BELIEVE! again, whatever the demonic material evidence of this satanic world may tempt the weakness of one’s mind to think otherwise, that our Annointed One, our Horse Dentures Norm, is as always, term without end, our just, true and accidental SENATOR, sent by you in your most Divine Splendor to this undeserving and evil Northern pagan land, from Holiest of Holy Brooklyn, having smote the heathen Wellstone from the sky, in a purifying thunderball of Righteous Fire, Praise Jehozephat, and redeemed us forever more, Repub without end, Amen.
Wingnuts: AMEN!!!
“The service is ended, go in anger, resentment and sore losership, Amen”.
LOL….
Dora, did you cut and paste this from the Democratic “cryer” circa 2000???
“masses will continue to believe the election was stolen even after an election contest doesn’t overturn the results. They don’t let facts get in the way of their opinions.”
Anyone know any further info on these 654 ballots Coleman wants included?
Where did they come from? Any estimates on tally? Arnt these ballots without signatures? Why did Franken reject them besides that Coleman submitted them so late?
We all know of the 80-100 “duplicate” ballots Coleman claims from Franken. Is it true that Franken said applying that same logic, Coleman has an additional 400 votes?
Thanks
Jeffrey, I also think that part of the strategy is to deprive the Senate Democrats of a vote on Obama’s stimulus plan.
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Let’s say this is true… Explain how it differs from Ried deciding it’s OK to seat Burris as long as he promises not to run for re-election in IL?
How in the world is Burris’s intent to run or not run for re-election pertinent to seating him in the Senate today? Oh yeah,, they have “progress” to vote on soon..Not to mention it is rumored they dont think Burris can win re-eletion in 2014.
Must be that “creative thinker” mentality.
Dora and Les,
I agree with you both. It would benefit the Republicans enormously every day they can delay Franken from being seated, and casting a cloud over the process inhibits Franken’s future effectiveness.
The “cloud” already exists.
That’s the one thing that Franken should be thankful to Coleman for, Coleman’s lawsuit, should he loose, will legitimize Franken’s theft.
Les of course can’t understand that the FL recount in 2000 was halted by the US Supreme Court before it was finished by FL, a move without precedent.
Bit of a difference from the MN recount. Except to those who can’t think rationally.
Horse Teeth Norm Won! Amen!
Dora,
Just read that piece from Eric Black in the MN Post. Thanks. He pretty much answered any questions I just posted. Really good article!
No Les, if I cut and paste anything I attribute it. What’s your beef exactly? We’ll both have to wait and see if I’m right.
I think it’s crap that Burris isn’t being seated. Regardless of what a sleaze that Blagojevich is he is still the Governor. He’s not been indicted. And even if he was Sen Stevens was still serving when he was indicted and carried out his duties.
Jeffrey: “Is it true that Franken said applying that same logic, Coleman has an additional 400 votes?” Did you mean that applying the logic Franken would have an additional 400? I don’t know if Franken’s lawyers said that.
I think Franken rejected them because they had already been rejected by the local election officials. I think for a variety of reasons. Some no signatures, some had voted in person too, some non-matching signatures. I think they came from all of the other 4 piles.
Les said: “Coleman’s lawsuit, should he loose, will legitimize Franken’s theft.” No bias in that statement! heh.
I wouldn’t worry too much about “clouds”, they had no effect on the unelected Bushco.
And poison-brained wingnuts like Les will never be persuaded otherwise, no matter what 100 courts rule, so they’re not worth dealing with. Let Les stew about “theft” for decades, it will do him good.
LOL at “Horse Teeth”
Jeffrey, Eric Black used to be the webmaster for this blog before the first round of Strib lay offs. He actually posted some Big Questions that lead to good discussion.
Oh and Les, that statement you made just legitimized my comment about continuing to believe the election was stolen even if Coleman looses. Guess you don’t consider yourself to be one of the Republican masses but no matter. With that kind of thinking you fit right in.
What,, you have no Bias… right.. whoops, I forgot, you and partial brain have exclusive rights to RIIIGHT…
Partial Brain cant seem to remember that the Fl recount was stopped because Gore insisted on only certin counties being recounted….But hey, he allowed his fantasy.. He continually post them here anyway.
One more thing, Dora.. It’s ironic we agree on the Burris thing.. must be my bias for fair play that getting in the way.
Too bad no wide ditribution newspaper can explain what’s going on like Eric did. That’s their job, and instead they publish baseless reeking garbage by the idiot Soucheray and republish a debunked WSJ tissue of lies as “news”.
But the corporate press is LIBERAL!!
All while our worthless “governor” (a lawyer, supposedly) acts like he can’t understand the recount process or hope to explain it to the people. Nor did he even try.
What a load of irresponsible horse t*rds. The Repub Revolution sure has made Minnesota a much stupider state. I guess that was their goal, and they succeeded….
LOL;;
Let Les stew about “theft” for decades, it will do him good.
You must read the Democrat “cryer” for quotes also.. Who’s been stewing for decades???? (or for 8 years anyway)
Funny how perspective change when the shoe is on the other foot, eh..
Dora,
“If the same logic was applied to Franken getting 80-100 extra votes, than Coleman received 400 extra votes.” I won’t vouch for that statement, wondering if it was true. I read it on the net somewhere I don’t remember where. I’m pretty sure it was when I was at the RNC official website under the tab “Top Secret Files”
The Repub Revolution sure has made Minnesota a much stupider state.
If you mean the backlash lead to that foul mouthed cretin Franken’s supossed victory, we are in full agreement there.
Les, I recently explained that the FL supreme court did NOT rule that only certain counties be recounted and ruled that EVERY undervote had to examined, whatever Gore might have requested. That’s the FL recount ruling that the Supreme Court halted.
Why do you lie, Les? Why are such a brazen liar? Have you ever asked yourself that question? You certainly are aware that you do almost nothing but lie. It’s a game to you, as all your arguments are. The question is, what compels you to be such a serial liar?
Any ideas?
Partial brain..
If your assertation were true, which it is not, the only answer to your bogus question would be your “scholarly” (not) influence.
All right, that was too harsh. Sorry, Les.
Carry on.
“Jeffrey, Eric Black used to be the webmaster for this blog before the first round of Strib lay offs. He actually posted some Big Questions that lead to good discussion.”
I miss the “Black Era” of the BQ. I don’t have the time to check out BQ very much, but it seems to have degenerated into another KK site. It’s mostly “you’re a jerk” “No, you are” over here nowadays.
So much for enlightened discussion.
I think everyone here has something to say and a right to say it. What’s with all the personal denigration?
By the way, 528 has a pretty good analysis of the WSJ op-ed. Check it out:http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/01/did-wall-street-jorunal-fire-their-fact.html
monty,
I enjoyed that article in 528.
He did a great job of refuting, point by point, that biased, unsigned, WSJ editorial. I’ve received too many emails from Republicans who offer this editorial as “proof” of their position. I recommend it get passed along.
Les — just a quick FYI for the record: the court case that gave the election to Bush was Bush v Gore — that means it was Bush doing the suing (in this case, to stop the recount).
Imagine Coleman filing a supreme court case to stop the recount and let the election night totals stand. That’s essentially what happened in 2000.
Thanks for your posts Jeffrey. Coleman’s 600-odd rejected absentee ballots are from Coleman-leaning counties. Cherry picked.
Anyone know exactly what Normie wants to accomplish (aside from destroying his reputation along with that of the Minnesota GOP)? It’s pretty unlikely that those ballots will get counted, especially considering that Franken didn’t get to “find” his own 600 ballots…Seems patently unfair.
Sarge-it is hard to imagine just what Coleman is about with his suit. If his camp wants to cherry pick, I’m sure the Franken camp can do the same, and it’ll be months before any kind of decision can be rendered by the court. And from what I’ve read, it doesn’t really look like he has a chance.
This situation makes it obvious that we need some sort of runoff election to kick in if a race is as close as this. Can the legislature just pass a bill for the governor to sign, or is there some special procedure involved because it’s a constitutional issue?
Anyone?
Jeffrey-ooooooops. I just re-read my 1st post today. Make that “538″, but you probably already know that now. Glad you liked it.
“LOL at “Horse Teeth”
What’s truly funny, is the absurd notion that the posters on this blog have ever seen a horse from the front end.
Reading most of what I’ve read here, they should put a fence around the state, with a sign that says “Welcome to the worlds largest open-air mental institution”
Congratulations on swiping Florida’s title for most idiotic voters.
Just figured I’d join in a game of “5th grade insult contest” from a nonpartisan POV.
Enjoy!
12 deaths blamed on snow and cold across Europe:
www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95IFM200&show_article=1
Imagine had bad it would be if we didn’t have “Global Warming”
Dora,
Slight modification, please.
The register at the precinct, at the end of the day, lists all voters registered before the actual day of the election. Those who voted by absentee ballots have “AB” in the signature space, but if they sign in and vote on election day their absentee ballot is SUPPOSED to NOT be counted.
The election judges are SUPPOSED to check the register for each absentee ballot to verify they did not vote in person, and if they did their absentee ballot should NOT be counted.
If we assume the judges did everything right, and that some did vote in person, there SHOULD be some absentee ballots without “Copies” in the folder. And those ballots without copies should NOT be voted.
When the total of same day signed in voters and the total of “Copied” absentee ballots matches the total ballots per the register, it is a “double vote” to then include those absentee ballots without copies in the final count.
Whenever the total ballots counted including ALL the absentee ballots exceeds the total votes per the register — which includes absentee ballots — there is prima facie evidence of double counting.
There are other, more nefarious ways for the ballots per the machine to exceed the number of ballots on hand, but that is another story.
Ettenboom-Actually, none of ’sota’s electoral votes EVER went to W, so you really couldn’t say this is the most idiotic state, in terms of voting history, in the union, could you? Think about it.
D2-repeat after me: climate vs weather, climate vs weather, climate vs weather…
For example, you could look in todays eStrib for an article about the devastation of the lodgepole pine forests of North America. Seems like they’ll be toast by around 2013. Caused by a beetle, one that isn’t slowed down by the climate any more. You see, it’s winter weather out there right now, but the climate has warmed up overall, and it isn’t cold enough for long enough to hold this particular beetle in check.
John,
“The register at the precinct, at the end of the day, lists all voters registered before the actual day of the election. Those who voted by absentee ballots have “AB” in the signature space, but if they sign in and vote on election day their absentee ballot is SUPPOSED to NOT be counted.”
Agree.
“The election judges are SUPPOSED to check the register for each absentee ballot to verify they did not vote in person, and if they did their absentee ballot should NOT be counted.”
Agree.
“If we assume the judges did everything right, and that some did vote in person, there SHOULD be some absentee ballots without “Copies” in the folder. And those ballots without copies should NOT be voted.”
I’m assuming you mean that “ballots without copies” are the absentee in which the voter voted in person. If they voted in person the absentee ballot envelope is never opened. The head election judge writes on the outside of the unopened envelope that they voted in person. And that unopened absentee ballot envelope is placed in a separate manila folder. It would not be mixed in with the absentees ballots that were counted. That’s why the counties still have unopened absentee ballots listed as ‘voted in person’ as the reason it was rejected. They aren’t in the mix of alleged double counted ballots.
Ettonboon,
LOL at Horse Teeth
Fifth grade or not, you have to admit there is somethinghighly unusual about the top half of Colemans teeth. It’s like he just got bridge work done on his uppers. He looks rediculous. It was a funny joke!
Now that you mention it, there is something highly unusual about Coleman’s entire head.
Dora,
But what if they did not, after working from 6am to after 9:00 at least, mark and move those ballots? (The process of verifying who did come in to vote happens at the end of the day after the polls close.) It could easily happen, and that it happened or not could easily be checked by comparing the names on the absentee ballots without copies to the register.
As an election judge who has been there, there is some chaos at the end of the day as everyone is eager to get done and get out.
Glad to see you’re gettin’ with the program, EttenBoom!
We’ve all spotted the horse teeth “problem”—now, what else is particularly odd about Norm’s head?
John,
What if they did not what? Remove absentee ballots in which the voter showed up to vote?
What would comparing absentee ballots without copies to the voter register tell you? Absentee ballots without copies were counted. There are no names on absentee ballots without copies. You can only compare absentee ballot envelopes that weren’t opened to the register.
You’re in search of a problem to your solution. Coleman’s issues with double counted ballots comes from those ballots that were not able to be counted that election judges duplicated in order to count them
John’s dying to be chosen as a Coleman “expert witness” in challenge! Speculate away….who cares if your musings bear no relevance to the actual claim?
Write into the Pioneer Press, John, they’ll publish any pro-Coleman speculation by anyone who ever served as election judge for 4 hours! They especially love suburbanite judges criticing city judges!
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