Data request to open the ballots? Sorry.
March 19th, 2009 – 1:21 PM by Kevin DuchschereMinneapolis attorney Brian Rice knows something about recounts. He’s worked on a lot of them, notably the 2002 state Senate cliffhanger in District 27 that finally resulted in Austin DFLer Dan Sparks’ narrow victory over Republican incumbent Grace Schwab. Rice represented Sparks, who was ruled the winner by five votes.
So when Rice writes, as he did in today’s St. Paul Pioneer Press, that ALL uncounted absentee ballots in the Coleman-Franken contest ought to be opened and counted because it may help the candidates decide whether it’s worthwhile to continue the fight, it makes you think.
Particularly when Rice says that all those ballots will be opened anyway.
“The media will insist on it under freedom of information laws. So it could be now or it could be next year. Either way we will find out what these ballots said,” he writes.
Really? I have to confess it hadn’t occurred to me that we might have the power under state law to unlock all those ballots ourselves. This could keep all of us news hounds working on the dailies employed for months, a prospect not to be sniffed at.Â
I called Deputy Secretary of State Jim Gelbmann, who’s become a familiar face to recount groupies in the months since the deadlocked November election (one voter whose ballot was rejected testified during the trial that yes, he was a distant cousin to Gelbmann).
Gelbmann didn’t take long to get back to me. Check out Minnesota Statutes 13.37, subdivision 2, he said. And there it is, under General Nonpublic Data:
“The following government data is classified as … private data with regard to data on individuals … Security information; trade secret information; sealed absentee ballots prior to opening by an election judge …”
What happens to those ballots, then? Perhaps they sit moldering in some dank Capitol cellar, awaiting a third millennium archeological dig?Â
Gelbmann said they’re kept for 22 months, then destroyed.
You could, in fact, count the ballots without identifying the voters; all you’d have to do is first separate the ballots from the voting materials. But the law makes no provision for such. If an election judge doesn’t open the ballot, then no one does.
I have a call into Rice to find out if there’s another opening here that we’re missing. The deputy secretary of state doesn’t seem to think so.
By the way, Rice’s opponent in the 2002 legislative recount was none other than Fritz Knaak – the esteemed White Bear Lake trial attorney who has worked almost nonstop on Coleman’s recount team since the election.
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OMG,, what just happened? a new thread!!!
Look at the bright side, Kevin, You guys can write stories for years about what coulda shoulda been rather than just a years worth of job security prinitng the facts, and, as an added benefit to the DFL, Franken’s theft will never be revealed for what it really is.
A good lawyer could say a sealed form, once rejected, is not a ballot any more.
If it were a ballot, it would be counted, right?
“Gelbmann said they’re kept for 22 months, then destroyed.”
What’s the point of voting? If I vote by absentee ballot and they’re going to ignore/forget/misplace my vote, why vote?
Do we have kids manning the polls on Election Day? Does everything get packed up at the end of Voting Day and thrown into the back of someone’s SUV?
Come on, there’s got to be some sense of order somewhere. Why wasn’t it followed?
“So did Dodd throw Obama under the Bus or what? Obama takes blame and seems to get a pass?”
Yes isn’t it wonderful. Dodd is a nasty dirty politician(old school baby)but Geithner has also taken the blame.
Listen enough is enough. There is a reason Presidents and Administrations don’t say “I’m wrong”,”I’m wrong”,”I’m wrong”,”I’m wrong” every 5 seconds.
I don’t care to hear my President say “I F’d up” every couple of months.
I’ve asked this ( or stated it ) before. The Democrats have learned how to win elections but can they governor. It is a very long range of views and some very “vocal” extremes in that party( we don’t here about them much but they are the ones sending the emails and making the phone calls. )
We’ll have to see what the economic numbers are at the end of the summer. We may see a nasty fight in the family.
And I’m sorry I don’t want my President on a TV Talk Show.
One exception maybe if it was like Johnny Carson’s last show after 30 years and it’s a surprise visits. You know have Johnny doing a bunch a jokes slamming the President and then he comes walking out.
But this thing. I don’t know.
“But this thing. I don’t know.”
Its his first campaign stop for the 2012 election. Obama is doing what he does best, campaigning. If he cant keep that approval rating in the high 50% he’s F’ed. How’s he going to get all this legislation through a divided congress if he cant keep the public on his side? He better stay on the talk show circuit. Oh and find a Treasury sect. who has a clue.
But I do like the number of “Good/Fluffy news stories” I’m seeing. Even the local stations are into it. “Hope is the Mother of all Men”
They should start a reality show for the Obama’s, something like what Ozzie had.
So the congress passes a law just so they can tax back the bonuses? What a waste of congressional time. They were the ones who put the language in the stimulus bill to begin with. God this is stupid. Instead of trying to pass some kind of bank and credit legislation, or starting on the other complex issues like health care and education, they are fvcking around with this unimportant but politically sexy bullsh:t. Just goes to show you they’ll pick up any easy topic to deal with instead of actually dealing with the inevitable.
Well, the MN statute couldn’t be much clearer.
Unopened absentee ballots aren’t legal votes and there is no reason they should be subject to media review under state data practices–this lawyer is wrong.
This isn’t Florida 2000, where the media reviewed all actual legal ballots to determine that (if all overvotes AND undervotes cast in FL had been reviewed) that Gore actually won. We’ve looked at every legally cast ballot.
And I see Deacon is unconcerned about wasting $150 million or so taxpayer dollars on the AIG fraudsters—what do you think about the $32 billion in unaccounted Iraq “reconstruction” (i.e. graft) funds? Should Congress “waste” its time on that?
“They should start a reality show for the Obama’s, something like what Ozzie had.”
Amos ‘n Andy
“If it were a ballot, it would be counted, right?”
Not automatically, if it was an absentee ballot, as the recount and challenge have made crystal clear.
But that would require Sophist Les to (1) understand reality and (2) make intellectually honest arguments. Neither is a remote possiblity.
Good lord Les, do you actually believe that Franken stole the election? I thought you had more sense than that. Apparently your irrational hatred for Franken overrides your common sense.
“And I see Deacon is unconcerned about wasting $150 million or so taxpayer dollars on the AIG fraudsters—what do you think about the $32 billion in unaccounted Iraq “reconstruction†(i.e. graft) funds?”
Apples and Oranges Parthian.
Apples- the congress and whitehouse knew about the bonuses and stripped legislation from a bill to deal with it. When the media let it be public knowledge they feign surprise and anger , then rush into calamity control mode, put on a phoney face and push it into telivised commitee hearing to ditract the american people from the bigger issue of what alousey job Mr. 1/2 & 1/2 is doing.
Oranges- If there are 32 billion missing from reconstruction funds there should be an audit done to find out where it went. Or are you saying that the congress already knows where it is and they condoned it.
MaW, it’s ridiculous to say that there was no sense of order. It’s not humanely possible to have an election without mistakes. There’s over 4000 precincts in this state with thousands of election judges manning them. Next election volunteer to be an election judge and you’ll get first hand information about what is required of them.
Common sense? Les?!!
Yes, Les believes without question that Franken “stole” the election, Dora. It’s an article of faith for Minnesota extremists.
Now if only he could write a coherent paragraph (or even a couple sentences) “explaining” the basis for his faith, that would be interesting.
Give it a try, Les!
“Geithner defends bonus action
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told CNN Thursday that his department, concerned about protecting the government from lawsuits, asked Sen. Chris Dodd to include an executive pay loophole in the stimulus bill. The provision allowed bailed-out insurance giant American International Group to pay out $165 million in bonuses.”
After reading this it is soooooooooooo hard to imagine why the whitehouse and congress are acting the way they are.
Oh wait. They got caught pulling a fast one on the taxpayers.
A contract is a contract and AIG is not at fault.
It all falls on Mr. 1/2 & 1/2 and his cronies.
♪♫Liar Liar Pants On Fire ♪♫
And I see Deacon is unconcerned about wasting $150 million or so taxpayer dollars on the AIG fraudsters”
Not unconcerned, less concerned when you begin to realize its days later and the real problems have been put at the end of the list because the public is more concerned with 1/10th of 1% of the AIG bailout funds. And the govt already okayed the bonuses dumb sh:t with the loophole Dodd put in the stimulus bill so this isnt fraud. Its a waste of time when there are more important things to get done first. This just plays better on TV.
“—what do you think about the $32 billion in unaccounted Iraq “reconstruction†(i.e. graft) funds? Should Congress “waste†its time on that?”
Ummmm $32 billion v $165 million? Do the math Einstein. You cant be this stupid. It boggles my mind. Obama’s Admin and the UST told Dodd to put the loophole in the bill and NOW they act shocked and appalled? COME ON….
Nice try, GO, but Dodd says he didn’t know about the AIG bonuses when he revised his language on “bonuses” at Treasury’s request.
As I understand it, Treasury’s requested amendment made the restrictions apply only to “bonuses” incurred AFTER the effective date of the stimulus bill, because (they say) they were concerned about retroactively cancelling contract rights. Who knows, and why exactly would they be trying to “protect” AIG fraudsters exactly?
So it’s an arguable waste of $150 million, supposedly to “ensure” that the AIG swaps “experts” stay around to help save the global economy.
My point is why such Repub concern (and public concern for that matter) over $150 million, when we know we poured $32 billion down a rathole for Iraq “reconstruction” and no one cared less, certainly no Repubs or “conservatives”?
Hey Parth, some AIG janitor just got busted taking $.65 off of Liddy’d desk tonite to buyt a Coke. Should we go after him??? Maybe make the real issues wait another couple of days? So when exactly are we going to get some legislation on the hill for all this important stuff like education and healthcare reform?? I really hope no one from AIG try’s to expense anything in the next couple of days or we’ll never get any new legislation passed. GEEEEEZUS…..
*”Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!”*
-Sir Walter Scott, Marmion, Canto vi. Stanza 17.
“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!”
-Sir Walter Scott
“Nice try, GO, but Dodd says he didn’t know about the AIG bonuses when he revised his language on “bonuses†at Treasury’s request.”
God you are gullible Parth, you actually believe that dont you? You’ll believe anything the DEMS say wont you?
“Nice try, GO, but Dodd says he didn’t know about the AIG bonuses when he revised his language on “bonuses†at Treasury’s request.”
Nice try Parth, but -
He also 1st denied revising the language until CNN dragged the truth out of him and his staff said come clean because they have ya by the AIGs.
“My point is why such Repub concern (and public concern for that matter) over $150 million, when we know we poured $32 billion down a rathole for Iraq “reconstruction†and no one cared less, certainly no Repubs or “conservativesâ€?”
What have the Dems been doing in the past 2.5 years about the $32 billion?
“As I understand it, Treasury’s requested amendment made the restrictions apply only to “bonuses†incurred AFTER the effective date of the stimulus bill, because (they say) they were concerned about retroactively cancelling contract rights.”
Holy crap pushers batman, does parth even read his posts.
Then why are they acting as though they knew nothing of the bonuses till they saw it on CNN.
Because its the same old, same old crap and your messiah is a judas.
The Congress can advance many pieces of legislation concurrently, deacon, you pinhead. Various committees are working on many bills right now, don’t you worry. But this is a standard lament of gub’mint-hating moderates.
We aren’t going to get to healthcare and education reform any slower because we passed a tax-the-bailout-bonus bill first. But it’s a nice meaningless “complaint” for morons.
The Titanic that is our economy is sinking fast, and Cpt. Parth here wants to try and find out who spilled the salt in the galley instead of trying to patch the HUGE FVCKING WHOLE in the side of the ship.
Everyday we mess around with petty political crap like who knew what, when and where did the .01% of the bailout go, more and more business fail, more and more homes are foreclosed, more and more people are unemployed. But at least morons like Parth can prove their point.
“The Congress can advance many pieces of legislation concurrently, deacon, you pinhead. Various committees are working on many bills right now, don’t you worry.”
Really? So where are some of these priorities I hear so much about. Ill Im seeing right now is BS.
“We aren’t going to get to healthcare and education reform any slower because we passed a tax-the-bailout-bonus bill first. But it’s a nice meaningless “complaint†for morons.”
I wonder what the head of the Senate and House banking committees have been doing the past couple of days?????
Every single waking moment should be dedicated to doing REAL work. Not political grandstanding.
“what have Dems been doing for past 2.5 years?”
Not nearly enough. But it’s only through their painstaking efforts with the stonewalling Bushco that we even have an idea of how much was “lost” (i.e stolen) in Iraq.
As to the outrage du jour, there is usually concern about retroactive legislation. It can be challenged in court.
Don’t get me wrong. I think Team Obama has been too accommodating to the AIG fraudsters. They have been convinced that keeping AIG “running” is necessary to avert a global financial metldown, that’s where these decisions have come from.
These may be mistakes, but that is what is motivating Geithner, my guess anyhow. Treasury doesn’t give a sh*t about these AIG crooks, but think they “need” them to administer and “manage” the AIG swaps catastrophe.
“The Congress can advance many pieces of legislation concurrently”
The Congress can advance many pieces of legislation concurrently,and won’t be able to tell you what it was they just voted for.
Fixed it for you.
“I think Team Obama has been too accommodating to the AIG fraudsters.”
If you sh1t where you eat, your dinner tastes like sh1t.
“I think Team Obama has been too accommodating to the AIG fraudsters.”
Campaign contributions all around from AIG to DC insiders probably is just a coincidence.
“They have been convinced that keeping AIG “running†is necessary to avert a global financial meltdown, that’s where these decisions have come from.”
AIG needs to stay around only long enough to unravel what they did and then to dismantle them in an orderly process. We dont need another Lehman Brothers scenario. Existing execs aren’t necessary to that process however and these bonuses are unnecessary especially considering many execs getting them are already gone. But thats done now and spending time on it is throwing good money and time after bad. Plus, the govt already owns AIG, they should start acting like it and start doing their job. But try and keep Geithner’s dumb ass far away from the process. Let Bernake deal with this. He seems to have a semblance of a clue.
From my local paper.
Poll: Should it be legal to have sex with animals?
Response Percent Votes
no 57% 59
yes 42% 44
total votes: 103
If Congress thinks that the $150 million for AIG retention payments was improper and wasteful, they certainly can spend a few days dealing with it. You’ll argue anything—you’re tremendously unpersuasive.
They may also not like the public perception that the Wizard of Finance ™ fraudsters are too powerful and that the gub’mint is cowtowing to them instead of taking charge.
That’s an important consideration, which you dowplay of course, as a “finance” man.
“Poll: Should it be legal to have sex with animals?
Response Percent Votes
no 57% 59
yes 42% 44
total votes: 103 ”
It appears the Big Lake contingency moved in on your local paper polls ..
Has there also been an increase in the report of pets missing?
“It appears the Big Lake contingency moved in on your local paper polls ..”
I’m sorry I posted that. Last thing we need here is more friggin tourists.
“If Congress thinks that the $150 million for AIG retention payments was improper and wasteful, they certainly can spend a few days dealing with it.”
There are only 365 days in a year. How many of those are congress using to do business? This is a waste when you look at the number of problems we have. We dont need another problem of this size which is only important for political posturing to slow down real recovery in any way.
” You’ll argue anything—you’re tremendously unpersuasive.”
Yeah, parth, you’re a real persuadable guy yourself.
“They may also not like the public perception that the Wizard of Finance â„¢ fraudsters are too powerful and that the gub’mint is cowtowing to them instead of taking charge.”
Probably shouldnt have cowtowed to them then Huh? In this case perception IS reality.
“That’s an important consideration, which you dowplay of course, as a “finance†man.”
Im not one bit interested in the egos of these senators. If they dont want to look stupid by cowtowing then they should consider their actions before they do something stupid.
Anyway I say dump all the execs from AIG. I dont see the point in keeping them around.
These swaps are essentially insurance. You know that. They accepted the money from other finance wizards all over the globe and are on the hook. It’s not just unwinding positions—they sold a “product” and now the (endless) claims are coming due. Someone needs to adjudicate and evaluate them all.
I can’t see why these particular schmoes are essential, either—but AIG was afraid to even contemplate losing them, and entered into literally ridiculous “retention” contracts to keep them.
Anyone AIG swapper who had already left should NEVER have been paid their “required” bonus—make ‘em sue AIG (i.e us) for it.
Put this on your calendar:
Wednesday, April 15 (11:00-1:00) at the State Capital Grounds:
TEA PARTY (Taxed Enough Already). Everyone welcome
I wouldn’t expect Comrade Partisan, DFL Dora or liberal Greg there, but maybe a few others could take a long lunch break and let your voices be heard.
“That’s an important consideration, which you dowplay of course, as a “finance†man.â€
My guess is its only important to you because its the DEMS this time who look stupid. This is all about saving face.
“I’m sorry I posted that. Last thing we need here is more friggin tourists. ”
In this instance you should probably be more concerned with sadist extremist stalkers that have portable hot tubs pulled behind Yugo’s.
“These swaps are essentially insurance.”
God I wish Glass Stegal was still in effect.
“You know that.”
Only too well. If there is any fraud in all of this, this is it. Calling CDS anything but insurance is absurd. AIG should’ve known that and the govt should have stepped in.
“They accepted the money from other finance wizards all over the globe and are on the hook. It’s not just unwinding positions—they sold a “product†and now the (endless) claims are coming due.”
So who pays?
“Someone needs to adjudicate and evaluate them all.”
Let the govt do it. They bought AIG and now they own it. They cant have it both ways. They made their decission months ago and now have to deal with it.
Today we all found out that liberal democrat Chris Dodd (who help create the mortgage crisis along with the lovely and talented Barney Frank) changed the bailout bill to ALLOW for these huge bonuses and was caught lying about it. It shouldn’t surprise anyone, Dodd was paid off more than any other politician by AIG.
I can’t believe the morons are still in charge of things!
“If Congress thinks that the $150 million for AIG retention payments was improper and wasteful, they certainly can spend a few days dealing with it.”
1/1000th of the money just given to AIG, and we’re supposed to spend “a few days” on it?!?!
I could have given these guys a pass if they had come out and said this was a tiny percent of the dollars and problems they had to deal with.
But no, it seems like the administration’s motto (much like the last one)is: Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Even if you have to start ginning it up.
D2 Says ..
“Today we all found out that liberal democrat Chris Dodd (who help create the mortgage crisis along with the lovely and talented Barney Frank) ”
I knew it .. this proves it. D2 has the hots for Frank. All his bashing is only because the multiple attempts to lure Barney to the compound had failed and his outbursts were really shouts of pain ..
“I knew it .. this proves it. D2 has the hots for Frank.”
If you look at pictures of the two of them, there’s a certain resemblance.
Things that make you go, hmmmmm
GO lonoscopy,
Are you going to let these guys treat me like this?
Mark, as always, Parth will follow the party lines. Here’s the way I see it.
If they are going to specifically write in the “stimulus bill” that all bonuses before X date are still to be paid, they should be paid. If I was an AIG employee promised a bonus as part of my contract, and I felt like I did my job, I would want to get paid for working. You can call it greed, and that certainly plays a part in it, but a person deserves to be paid and most importantly, I have a real problem with the government being able to just void whatever contracts they feel like or just tax whoever they want.
Go Goph… never mind.
“I knew it .. this proves it. D2 has the hots for Frank.â€
Frank and Beans!!!!
Things that make you go, hummmmmer!
Hows that D2?
Thanks GO,
I don’t have to work in the morning and was listening to beatlesarama.com featuring the greatest band of all time.
Our music has really gone down the toilet since the Beatles, but so has our culture with 40% of all babies now born to unwed mothers.
“I wish Glass Stegall was still in effect.”
Me too, although I don’t know what it would have had to do with insurer AIG and its CDS madness.
The CDS Deregulation Act that arch-conservative Phil Gramm (R-TX) slipped into the 2000 budget bill is the culprit here—not that an 8 year long Repub admin (with a Repub Congress much of the time) couldn’t have revisited the matter as the risk steadily grew. But that would have required a competent president, and that’s the last thing Bush was.
It will be interesting to see what the Rushbo Repubs’ position will be when the new comprehensive re-regulation of our finance markets is announced by Volcker. I know what my prediction is.
I take it you’d support a return to the Glass-Steagall regime, deacon? No securities creation/sales by commercial bankers?
As for following a “party line”, Demonic Lib’ruls are all over the map on this AIG bonus flap, from agreeing with Congress’s attempt to tax these failure bonuses to arguing that the AIG “bonus” amount is so insignificant that Geithner’s decision should just be deferred to as largely meaningless, given the ocean of money “invested” in AIG already.
I’m not particularly outraged at Geithner or Congress, FWIW. If the idea was this would help prop up the global financial system by “retaining” these fabulous expert swappers and keepin’ them happy, I wouldn’t have paid anyone who had already left AIG and made them sue AIG for their absurd “bonus”. None would.
And taxing (gub’mint-paid) 2008 “bonus” payments by (essentially bankrupt) companies for all the great Wizards of Finance ™ at 90% seems like sensible policy as well.
Partisan, where’s DFL Dora your insignificant other? I miss her annoying comments.
And Partisan,
Where have the Soci@list bailouts done any good whatsoever? With AIG (and everyone else), we should have just let them go into bankruptcy, then the taxpayers wouldn’t have been on the hook for these bonuses.
I know, Bush was too liberal on the first bailout, but the dem’s are using that as an excuse to spend like drunken fools and the American taxpayers are getting sick of it.
I know it’s fun for you to think that you’re “writing” about AIG and bailouts, Dim2, but you’re too stupid to know the first thing about any of these topics, so go to your TEA rally with the other 100 conservative white males, chatter and shout nonsense and have a few beers before heading back to the exurban wasteland, having wasted 10 gallons of gas.
“but you’re too stupid to know the first thing about any of these topics”
Don’t kind yourself neither are any of us.
Thanks Partisan!
You’re liberal idiocy cracks me up!
Obama Jokes About Being a Bad Bowler: ‘It’s Like the Special Olympics’…
Guess what group will be bowling at the White House next month.
Hey SgtPendleton maybe they’ll have a raffle or something and your kid could go.
That’s bad there. A line crosser?
“That’s bad there. A line crosser?”
I suppose I could “Obama” my way out of that. I didn’t mean to degrade “special people” I meant to degrade SgtPendleton.
Or I could “SgtPendleton” my way out of this by saying I didn’t really mean “High School Drop Out”
Or I could just say
“Man that last comment. Sorry that was out of line”
“Obama Jokes About Being a Bad Bowler: ‘It’s Like the Special Olympics’…”
If Bush would have made an insensative comment like that the liberal media would be all over it. It’s funny how liberal politicians get a pass on this kind of thing.
“Me too, although I don’t know what it would have had to do with insurer AIG and its CDS madness.”
Glass Steagall was enacted to seperate the industries. Commercial banks, insurance companies and investment companies all were seperate. If GS was still in effect a company like AIG wouldnt be issuing investment products like CDS. And if they had they would be legally required to call them what they are Insurance policies and keep adequate capital reserves to cover the policies. Thats why its relevant.
I don’t have to work in the morning and was listening to beatlesarama.com featuring the greatest band of all time.
They play Led Zeppelin on beatlesarama.com?
“The CDS Deregulation Act that arch-conservative Phil Gramm (R-TX) slipped into the 2000 budget bill is the culprit here—not”
Parth, please try and be honest IF you can. First no such act exists. I think youre refering to the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Second no one buys that the ACT was slipped into the bill. Bill Clinton lobbied for the bill and new it was there. It wasnt hidden and it wasnt a secret. Only blind partisans like you try and claim it was all Gramm and a dirty trick played on Clinton. Clinton and Gramm own this deregulation and any attempt to say otherwise is a bald face lie. In fact at the time Clinton was quit proud of the Act.
“an 8 year long Repub admin (with a Repub Congress much of the time) couldn’t have revisited the matter as the risk steadily grew. But that would have required a competent president, and that’s the last thing Bush was.”
Cant argue this point. Bush shouldve over turned the Act as soon as he could have. Any president should have.
“I take it you’d support a return to the Glass-Steagall regime, deacon? No securities creation/sales by commercial bankers?”
If it was that easy which it isnt. We cant go back now with the finance world the way it is. What we need now is new regulations to protect the markets and public from asset bubbles. Simply going back in time to GS isnt practical.
Or I could “SgtPendleton†my way out of this by saying I didn’t really mean “High School Drop Outâ€
No I meant it 100% Tiny. Did you not understand that from my posts?
WASHINGTON (AP) — Obama administration special envoy Richard Holbooke was on the American International Group Inc. board of directors in early 2008 when the insurance company locked in the bonuses now stoking national outrage.
I’d just be happy if they got rid of the uptick rule. I still don’t know which genius thought that one up…probably a high school drop out.
“It’s funny how liberal politicians get a pass on this kind of thing.”
Actually I was going to bring that up myself. I cant believe he actually said that.
“It’s funny how liberal politicians get a pass on this kind of thing.”
Actually I was going to bring that up myself. I cant believe he actually said that.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Obama administration special envoy Richard Holbooke was on the American International Group Inc. board of directors in early 2008 when the insurance company locked in the bonuses now stoking national outrage.
…which of course was before the company fell apart, and before they took any money from the federal government. Those kinds of bonuses were par the for course…still are in fact. Thanks for the non-story.
But its hard to claim that Obama’s Admin knew nothing about the bonuses until they hit. Obama to Geithner to Dodd, it was the dirty little secret. This feigned outrage is a joke. Its all about saving face and hoping that as long as the popularity polls stay in the 50%s this will blow over.
I thought it was a good joke by Obama… not very smart though. But, everyone says stupid things, so it doesn’t really bother me.
“Actually I was going to bring that up myself. I cant believe he actually said that.”
I see Eric Cartman(Ahh Daaa)bowling at the White House.
“I’ve always said that rainbows are just God’s way of frowning at gay people.”
- Steven Colbert
Yes, regulate insurers, I say. Especially if they’re placing bets on every freakin’ home mortgage in the country. Regulate ‘em hard.
Laisez-Faire idealists seem to believe that businesses left to their own devices will naturally do the right thing just because it’s good business and in the businesses’ self-interest to do so, but the truth of the matter is as long as the equation involves human beings whose compensation is tied to the volume of business they transact, crooked stuff is going to happen if there’s not a cop on every corner.
The people I feel sorriest for in this AIG debacle are the AIG employees in their regular ol’ insurance divisions, who were faithfully executing the old conventional business model and making a respectable profit for probably not huge pay, while this one office full of overpaid cowboys with their newfangled credit default swaps gets the whole company in hock up to their eyeballs. I don’t think Congress has any business doing an ex post facto confiscatory tax on the Credit Default Swappin’ cowboys’ bonsues, but the cowboys are sho’nuff going to Hell if they cash those checks.
Its all about saving face and hoping that as long as the popularity polls stay in the 50%s this will blow over.
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! OMG – I feel so betrayed!!!
having wasted 10 gallons of gas.
If your concerned about wasted gasoline, you must be infuriated that your tax dollars were spent to fly Air Force One, plus the support aircraft that ferries the presidential limo, other motorcade vehicles, and support staff from D.C. to Burbank.
All for twenty minutes of banter about things like bowling.
“The people I feel sorriest for in this AIG debacle are the AIG employees in their regular ol’ insurance divisions, who were faithfully executing the old conventional business model and making a respectable profit for probably not huge pay.”
Those businesses are still solvent and will get spun off and sold to other corporations. Part of the reason to step in a bail out AIG is to insure they dont raid the reserves on Life insurance and pay the CDSes. That would be totally illegal but you never know what they might do.
“…which of course was before the company fell apart, and before they took any money from the federal government. Those kinds of bonuses were par the for course…still are in fact. Thanks for the non-story.”
Only a “non-story” for the willfully ignorant, please see Decon’s post to become enlightened.
“All for twenty minutes of banter about things like bowling.”
“like bowling like a Retard.” Come on say what you mean he said to mean.
Listen. I’m tellin’ Ya am not Retarded but if I was……..
Decon’s post to become enlightened.
I have yet to see an enlightening post from Deacon.
Decon’s post to become enlightened.
I have yet to see an enlightening post from Deacon.
Thanks for the non-story.
It is a story if want to consider that,
a) According to the Seattle Times,
For much of tenure on the AIG board, Holbrooke had a role in approving salaries and compensation. From 2001 until mid-2005, he was a member of the board’s compensation committee. According to AIG financial statements, the committee sets the salary for the company’s chief executive officer and gives advice on how other senior managers are to be compensated.
But,
a White House spokesman said Thursday that Holbrooke was unaware of AIG’s decision to award retention bonuses to key employees. “Mr. Holbrooke had nothing to do with and knew nothing about the bonuses,” spokesman Tommy Vietor said
I find it hard to believe that someone on the committee that handles executive
compensation would know nothing about bonuses.
b) If Parthian is speaking on behalf of the Democrats, an “AIG Wizard of Finance â„¢, fraudster and crook” was considered to be “the best man for the job” by Obama and his advisors.
“All for twenty minutes of banter about things like bowling. ”
Maybe he’ll go on Letterman next week and say he’s trading in Cadillac One for a short bus.
“I have yet to see an enlightening post from Deacon.”
Probably because Im talking over your head.
Whats the genesis of that term ‘short bus’? Is the bus for handicapped kids short or something?
“Whats the genesis of that term ’short bus’? Is the bus for handicapped kids short or something?”
Jesus! What are you Retarded?
I’m afraid after that “Special Olympics†statement last night by Obama we all should stand as one at this moment.
Today we are all Retarded.
Yes, regular kids ride the long school bus.
The special kids ride the short bus. It’s painted the same as a full size school bus but it’s, ya’know, short.
Would it have been more or less offensive if Obama had said, “I bowl like a water head.”?
“He was very sincere, expressed an interest and an openness in being more engaged in the movement and said he was a fan of the movement and I think importantly he said he was ready to have some of our athletes over to the White House to bowl or play basketball or help him improve his score.”
Pedal, pedal, pedal, pedal.
But Barrack was only trying to bring awareness to the situation.
“importantly he said he was ready to have some of our athletes over to the White House to bowl or play basketball”
That’s better than an earmark in the next stimulus package to establish a Special Olympics auto racing event.
Did anyone else pick NDSU over UK?
Did anyone else pick NDSU over UK?
Listen. I’m tellin’ Ya am not Retarded but if I was……..
… we wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Vomit – what reeks of that Holbrooke report is that the guy is a special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan. If his current role had something to do with the economy, then yeah, we’d have an issue.
Corporate boards of directors are notorious for being management schills. They’re supposed to provide oversight, but they only meet once a month – mostly they just give their stamp of approval for the financials, eat lunch, go home, and cash their monthly $10,000 check. There is no sweeter gig in the world…I don’t think much of any corporate boardsman, and in fairness, I’d throw Holbrooke into that category, however, his credentials in the region are second to no one…except maybe James Baker or Madeline Albright.
No, I’d be more concerned if Holbrooke had been lobbying for another country — much like some of McCain’s advisors who were getting paid by the Republic of Georgia as late as 2007.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/20/charles.manson.prison/index.html
Is it just me or does Charles Manson look like Tommy Chong?
“Obama Jokes About Being a Bad Bowler: ‘It’s Like the Special Olympics’…”
OK lets put our bleeding hearts back into our pants. Obama was just making a joke. I wouldn’t even call it misspeaking. He made a Funny.
So Obama bowls like the special olympics. Hell, I run like a nigger and feel no need to apologize.
Hell, I run like a nigger…
What does this even mean?
Hold your calls….we have our winner in the Biggest Dipsh!t contest.
These girls would make even Conrade Partisan proud to be an American. We’ll, that might be going a bit far…
“Obama Jokes About Being a Bad Bowler: ‘It’s Like the Special Olympics’…â€
I can’t believe his teleprompter would do that to him.
“What does this even mean?”
It’s similar to Walking Like an Egyptian.
Wow D2, did you think of that one all by yourself? It was funny the first time I read it on Malkin’s website.
What was your best event in the Special Olympics D2?
This is what happens when Obama’s telepromter goes out.
Back to being a prick there Deacon Blew?
“What does this even mean?”
It means dont think poorly of Obama beacuse in the dark recesses of his mind he finds humor and joy in the struggles the mentally challenged face every day.
So what if Obama, Rahm and the other good old boys sit around after the woman folk go to bed with the lights dimmed, drinking PBR, telling mentally challenged jokes, trying to out do each other all the while one hand thumpimg thier chests limply and walking with an excagerated stagger, laughing histerically.
Comon, even though he’s the messiah, we are all just human. right?
This is what happens when Obama’s telepromter goes out.
That’s it? Transposing ventilator with breathalyzer? Really? That’s all you’ve got?
Weak brew even by your standards.
Whats the big deal if Obama and his buddies sneak out incognito, find a nice place to sit and watch people pass by, snickering and pointing at their perverted notion of the less fortunate.
think about it. thats gotta be a hoot.
Its not like Obama is a racist or anything. I’m sure he gets a good chuckle out of metally challenged people of all races. he’s just a good ol’ boy.
And I’m sure he has no trouble yucking it up while observing mentally challenged people at work.
Obama’s Job Stimulus- Hire the handicap, their fun to watch.
Yeah, that Obama, man he’s on funny guy.
But, like I’ve been saying, we should give Obama a pass on this. just like the pass he got on lying about when he knew of the AIG bonus. Like when he lied about 5 days on the internet for his stimulus bills so folks have time to read them. Like when he lied about reaching across the aisle. Like when he lied about creating jobs. Like when he lied about …………………
“Back to being a prick there Deacon Blew?”
Back to? When did I stop?
How many pins are you going to spot Obama when your Special Olympics bowling team takes its trip to the white house D2?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29791216/
Hey Dan, Im just wondering if you’d consider this a lie. I heard it on Olbermann’s show last night. His guest said the house voted to raise the highest marginal tax rate from 35 to 90%. That is totally false. What do you think?
“Remember, these are the very same people who tell you the country will be destroyed if the top tax rate slips up another four points, like the way it was under Bill Clinton. If it goes from 35, where it is now, up to the high 30s, that would be a disaster. But today, they voted to take it from 35 to 90.”
Here is some more bias from last night. Olbermann himself said this,
“What about the fact that the Republican policies of deregulation precisely got this economy into this mess in the first place”.
Everyone now knows or atleast should know if they care about the truth that Gramm and Clinton worked to gether on the ACTS in the 2000 bill that caused this crisis, even Parth says as much although he must be a big Olbermann fan because he left out half the story too. Clinton and Gramm both lobbied hard for it. So if you want to be honest it was a Clinton/DEM policy as much as it was Gramm’s and the GOPs. But Olbermann leaves that part out on purpose because he is a biased journalist.
What do you think?
“he voted for it—the biggest marginal tax rate increase in history to take the top tax rate, from 35 percent to 90 percent.”
I mean com one Dan, this is a complete misrepresentation of the truth.
Go!!
The Big O lied!!
I can’t ever imagine this happening before. Never, ever has a president up and lied to the American public on purpose.
‘Til now.
“That’s it? Transposing ventilator with breathalyzer? Really? That’s all you’ve got?”
That’s what you got out of the teleprompter video Downtown Dem? It looked to me more like one of Deacon Blew’s mental shutdowns.
“The Big O lied!!”
Obama bin Lyin’
That is totally false. What do you think?
I’m assuming the guest was referring to the 90% tax on bonuses going to execs from companies receiving government bailout money (provided they make $250,000+ a year). In that sense wouldn’t it be accurate? And if it is biased, what direction is it biased in? It sounds like the kind of slant I’d hear on Faux (THEY’RE TAKING ALL YOUR MONEY!!!).
Everyone now knows or at least should know if they care about the truth that Gramm and Clinton worked together on the ACTS in the 2000 bill that caused this crisis,
You and I have been down this road before, and I actually resisted jumping on this when I read you earlier today (why waste my day engaging you in an intellectual argument neither of us will win when I can pick on the low hanging fruit – Tiny and D2).
You know Graham slipped his provision into a thousand page bill at the zero hour and without debate. Just because Clinton was a big supporter of the bill doesn’t mean he was aware of this otherwise small change snuck in by Graham. Claiming he was is tarnishing your shiny moderate “What, Me Spin?” suitcoat.
Besides, the Republicans, lead by Graham, were the biggest pushers of deregulation.
Surely you can come up with some better examples of Olberman spinning than that.
That’s my spin. You may now resume spinning your spin.
Spin. Spin. Spin.
Mr. Python!
Never in the face of human cult followings has so many been lied to by so few in such a short time.
‘Til now.
99 campaign promises on the wall
99 campaign promises
if one of those promises happen to fall
98 campaign promises on the wall
“Obama bin Lyin’”
D2, clean up your act. I know what your doin. You insinuating with the name game that Obama is a Muslim.
Haven’t you heard its a brand new world? How can you make light of muslims when there are so many mentally challenged people around for yuks and giggles?
“You know Graham slipped his provision into a thousand page bill at the zero hour and without debate”
Lets see, who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Chris Dodd? hmmmmm
The pork laden budget bill Obama signed. hmmmmmmmmm (another Obama lie)
Nancy Porklosies Marsh Mouse earmark in the stimuluse bill. hmmmmmmmmmm
“(why waste my day engaging you in an intellectual argument neither of us will win when I can pick on the low hanging fruit – Tiny and D2).”
Now THATS funny!!!
“In that sense wouldn’t it be accurate?”
Did they vote to raise the highest marginal tax rate to 90%? No they didnt. Thats a lie.
“You know Graham slipped his provision into a thousand page bill at the zero hour and without debate.”
Dan, Gramm didnt slip the CFM Act or the Gramm Leach Biley Act into the Bill past Clinton. Clinton’s Admin and Gramm worked together to loby for the Acts. Its not a secret. Please do some research. Im not making this up. There are plenty of quotes of Clinton talking about the acts and their importance. Just look it up. Honestly.
“Just because Clinton was a big supporter of the bill doesn’t mean he was aware of this otherwise small change snuck in by Graham.”
Dan, he supported the Budget Bill obviously. But also because he was in favor of the deregulation. Gramm and Clinton both knew what was going on. I cant believe you deny that. Its pretty sad.
“And he pushed through a provision that ensured virtually no regulation of the complex financial instruments known as derivatives, including credit swaps, contracts that would encourage risky investment practices at Wall Street’s most venerable institutions and spread the risks, like a virus, around the world.
Many of his deregulation efforts were backed by the Clinton administration. Other members of Congress — who collectively received hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign contributions from financial industry donors over the last decade — also played roles….
…Earlier laws had left the regulation issue sufficiently ambiguous, worrying Wall Street, the Clinton administration and lawmakers of both parties, who argued that too many restrictions would hurt financial activity and spur traders to take their business overseas…
…In November 1999, senior Clinton administration officials, including Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers, joined by the Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, and Arthur Levitt Jr., the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, issued a report that instead recommended legislation exempting many kinds of derivatives from federal oversight.”
-NY Time 11/17/2008
No one snuck anything past Clinton. Althought I get that sense youre just trying to push my buttons.
“You know Graham slipped his provision into a thousand page bill at the zero hour and without debateâ€
Lets see, who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Who does that remind me of?
Chris Dodd? hmmmmm
The pork laden budget bill Obama signed. hmmmmmmmmm (another Obama lie)
Nancy Porklosies Marsh Mouse earmark in the stimuluse bill. hmmmmmmmmmm
Chill the fcuk out douchenozzle, it’s Friday. Did you forget your meds this morning?
Here’s what’s going to happen: The economy will begin to recover in the fall, and we’ll be in much better shape in 2011.
Rightly or wrongly, Obama will take credit for saving the economy. I still of the opinion that fiscal policy doesn’t do 1/10th of what monetary policy does…I’m just old-fashioned that way I guess. So I think the seeds of recovery were planted fiscally, back in 2008, so it will have more to do with Ben Bernake than anyone else.
Have a great weekend, freaks.
I’m taking my lovely wife out for dinner.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml
“Clinton, Republicans agree to deregulation of US financial system
By Martin McLaughlin
1 November 1999
An agreement between the Clinton administration and congressional Republicans, reached during all-night negotiations which concluded in the early hours of October 22, sets the stage for passage of the most sweeping banking deregulation bill in American history, lifting virtually all restraints on the operation of the giant monopolies which dominate the financial system.
The proposed Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 would do away with restrictions on the integration of banking, insurance and stock trading imposed by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, one of the central pillars of Roosevelt’s New Deal. Under the old law, banks, brokerages and insurance companies were effectively barred from entering each others’ industries, and investment banking and commercial banking were separated.”
Funny as it is, this is from a s0c:@l:st web site.
Corporate boards of directors are notorious for being management schills…
I worked for several years with one of AIG’s derivative trading partners, and find it real hard to believe that anyone from the mailroom to the boardroom does not know that traders are paid in the form of salaray plus bonus, and that it’s written into their contracts.
It’s common knowledge.
See Dan, the Financial Services Modernization Act, more commonly known as the Gramm Leach Biley Act was enacted in Novemeber of 99 and was most definetly worked on and know to Clinton. He wasnt in the Dark. The sister bill to this was the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, another bill he worked on and lobbied for was passed on Dec 21st in the nick of time for him to take some credit for its passage.
“The Big O lied!!
I can’t ever imagine this happening before. Never, ever has a president up and lied to the American public on purpose.
‘Til now. ”
I think that the point might be that you can go out on DailyKos, MediaMatters, or any other lefty website, ask “how’s the weather?” and 53 people will respond with “BUSH LIED!”
I don’t have time to filter through all the links Phil Graham CFM act brings up, but there’s a lot similar to this obviously biased source:
But Gramm’s most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry—friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career—came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead—even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. “Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it,” says a congressional aide familiar with the bill’s history.
It’s not exactly like Gramm hid his handiwork—far from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act’s inclusion into the must-pass budget package. But only an expert, or a lobbyist, could have followed what Gramm was saying. The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swaps—and would thus “protect financial institutions from overregulation” and “position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century.”
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/05/foreclosure-phil
You say Clinton knew all about this and others disagree. Maybe Clinton did know about this but didn’t understand what it meant and (foolishly) trusted Enron’s #1 senator that this was in everyone’s best interest. Still doesn’t change the fact that the CFMA was a Republican wetdream pushed through by Phil Graham.
Did they vote to raise the highest marginal tax rate to 90%? No they didnt. Thats a lie.
Isn’t this what they did to AIG bonuses?
Althought I get that sense youre just trying to push my buttons.
Maybe. But hey, you called me out.
What’s that comedian’s name? Lisa Lampinelly(sp?).
“Why is everyone adopting these Asian kids? When they grow up, you have to pay for them to go to Harvard or buy them a nail salon. Here’s my motto: Adopt a retard, buy a boat.”
Source: ‘Several’ Missing Somali-Americans Back in U.S. After Overseas Terror Mission (Minnesota story):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509839,00.html
I just want to thank all the liberals who made this “multiculteralism” possible.
“You say Clinton knew all about this and others disagree.”
Dan, the two Acts, CFM and the FSM were both developed and worked on at the same time and ment to be done in tandem. But dont listen to me about what Bill did and didnt know, take HIS word for it.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_40/b4102000409948.htm
“MARIA BARTIROMO
Mr. President, in 1999 you signed a bill essentially rolling back Glass-Steagall and deregulating banking. In light of what has gone on, do you regret that decision?
FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON
No, because it wasn’t a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter. But I have really thought about this a lot. I don’t see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch (MER) by Bank of America (BAC), which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn’t signed that bill.
MARIA BARTIROMO
Phil Gramm, who was then the head of the Senate Banking Committee and until recently a close economic adviser of Senator McCain, was a fierce proponent of banking deregulation. Did he sell you a bill of goods?
FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON
Not on this bill I don’t think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can’t possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I’d be glad to look at the evidence. But I can’t blame [the Republicans]. This wasn’t something they forced me into. I really believed that given the level of oversight of banks and their ability to have more patient capital, if you made it possible for [commercial banks] to go into the investment banking business as Continental European investment banks could always do, that it might give us a more stable source of long-term investment.”
“Isn’t this what they did to AIG bonuses?”
No Dan it isnt. They passed a law taxing 90% of all bonuses from comapnies taking bailout funds from the UST. They didnt raise the marginal rtax rate on high incomes from 35% to 90% which would apply to all citizens earning over $250,000. What Olbermann’s show reported is a misrepresentation designed to make the GOP house members look bad to their constituents. Olbermann is acting as a biased propagandist.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/16/bill.clinton.qanda/index.html
Bill Clinton: I should have better regulated derivatives
“John Roberts: Mr. President, in terms of the overall economic downturn, Time magazine had an article out this week in which it named 25 of the people most responsible for the economic downturn, and you were there. They, they had a picture of you in what looked like a police lineup. They had a little button where you could vote who’s the most responsible? They pointed to your signing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. I wonder what you think about that.
Former President Bill Clinton: I think that the only thing that our administration did or didn’t do that we should have done is to try to set in motion some more formal regulation of the derivatives market. They’re wrong in saying that the elimination of the Glass-Steagall division between banks and investment banks contributed to this. Investment banks were already…banks were already doing investment business and investment companies were already in the banking business. The bill I signed actually at least puts some standards there. And if you look at the evidence of the banks that have gotten in trouble, the ones that were most directly involved in there … in a diversified portfolio tended to do better.”
Okay Dan, what do you think? Still think he was in the dark? Maybe the congress and senate, but no way Clinton was a fool on this.
Well Mark, I’ll bet you feel like a smoke now.
Just a guess Dan, but a web site like Mother Jones that advertizes “An Evening with Rachel Maddow” isnt an objective source.
“Well Mark, I’ll bet you feel like a smoke now.”
No thanks, Dan, I just got finished smoking you.
The speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told a group of both legal and illegal immigrants recently that enforcement of immigration laws in the United States is “un-American.”:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/pelosi-tells-illegal-immigrants-work-site-raids-american/
2010 when we can vote these liberal idiots out can’t come soon enough.
“It’s not exactly like Gramm hid his handiwork—far from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act’s inclusion into the must-pass budget package.”
Wait a minute Dan, did he hide it by slipping it in or not?
“You know Graham slipped his provision into a thousand page bill”
Slipped? I dont think so.
“Slipped? I dont think so.”
When you kissing and you slip your tongue into a womans mouth, she knows its there.
When your wiping and your finger slips into the brown star, you know its there.
“WASHINGTON – Twenty-six elementary schoolchildren wielded shovels, rakes, pitchforks and wheelbarrows to help first lady Michelle Obama break ground for a produce and herb garden on the White House grounds.”
Man Oh Man, what a lady. The best contribution ol’ Obama has contributed to the nation is this elegant 1st lady. Against my better judgement it just wants me to chant
4 more years
4 more years
4 more years
Hubba Hubba
“this elegant 1st lady”
Don’t mess with this Aunt Esther look alike. She could kick all of our asses if provoked.
GO did you mean you run niggardly?
“CNN) — A defiant Sen. Chris Dodd defended his actions on bonuses for AIG executives Friday as news surfaced that a senior company executive was returning his $6 million bonus.
Dodd said he was misled on the issue of bonuses for AIG executives. He claimed he would not have drafted key legislative changes allowing the bonuses to move forward if he knew the purpose of those changes.”
What a MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!
“GO did you mean you run niggardly?”
you can’t say that. can he say that? that ain’t right.
“Dog poops money. A woman finds most of her missing $400 in her dog’s droppings.”
Tiny, you might want to clean dougs winter poop pile yourself.
““GO did you mean you run niggardly?—
You ran niggardly passed the Dennys to the picnic?
“NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Stocks managed gains for the second week in a row despite tumbling Friday, as investors pulled back after the recent run.
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) lost 122 points or 1.7%. However, it also managed slim gains for the week, rising for the second week in a row for the first time since last May.”
The new spin. stocks down but still up for the month.
stock down but still up for the year.
Kinda sounds like the Globull Warming morons.
Coldest winter on record but globull warming still up for the decade.
Coolest summer on record but globull warming still 2 points ahead at the half.
GO lonoscopy,
I went to the doctor the other day and thought he might order a colonoscopy. Looks like it’s probaby my gall bladder causing the pain instead. Maybe I can flush out any stones with enough Budweiser.
“Maybe I can flush out any stones with enough Budweiser.”
tell the doctor to make it a double as long as he;s buying.
budweiser 3.2%, spray it right thru a screen door without hitting a wire.
Thanks for digging up the facts on Phil Gramm’s (R-TX) handiwork in the waning days of the Clinton admin, deacon and dan.
Both posts support my prior position. Clinton has not disavowed signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall (another of his many mistakes), and deacon’s article makes clear the repeal deal was with Repubs: most Congressional Dems didn’t support the repeal–this was more Repub deregulation, which Clinton agreed with in this instance.
Nor has Clinton supported deacon’s fact-free interpretation of the Gramm act deregulating credit default swaps, which Dan’s article makes clear was corruptly slipped by Gramm into a non-filibusterable budget reconciliation bill which the president would never veto.
This was high handed, corrupt activity by a senior GOoP senator, and it ended up destroying the economy. It was not agreed to by Dems in either house as considered legislation, and Clinton wasn’t going to veto the omnibus spending bill at the 11th hour—that’s precisely why Gramm slipped it into that bill. Yet deacon falsely portrays it as the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Indeed Clinton himself says he thinks he should have made more effort to “formally regulate” derivatives, which contradicts deacon’s claim his support for Gramm’s Commodity Futures bill. Phil Gramm will live in infamy in the judgment of history.
It’s tough being a “moderate” when the facts aren’t there. But bluffing and bluster is always possible.
It’s also interesting that deacon cites the soc*alist website when its factual recitation supports him, then decides that lib’rul Mother Jones isn’t reliable—more intellectual dishonesty. As though there is some inherent reason to doubt the accuracy of the reporting.
“Coldest winter on record…”
Not even close, not that that matters to you, GO.
“Not even close, not that that matters to you, GO.”
It was an example of Gorist Extremism, parth. duh. not that that matters to you and your ilk.
“Coldest winter on record…â€
The last two have been much colder than normal, and the earth has been cooling for about 10 years now.
“Not even close, not that that matters to you, GO.”
These last winters are the winters I remember. There was climate change. The Sun was going through its normal “Hot flash”. I see no evidence of global warming here or any place else that isn’t a result of that Sun activity.
All this BS is just that BS. There is NO CLIMATE CHANGE that has or will result because of mans presences on earth.
Follow the $$$$$ and following the politics and you’ll get all your Global Warming questions answered.
“Follow the $$$$$ and following the politics and you’ll get all your Global Warming questions answered.”
The liberal McKnight foundation just donated millions to help destroy our economy by helping Cap and Trade BS get started.
Laura Ingram is NOT hot .. in fact, she wouldn’t even be fun.
And what’s with the big chunk of gold cross around her neck?
Hey the days are getting longer and the snow is melting. If that isn’t proof of global warming, what is?
Oh good. Gregs here. I was gettin bored with the usual suspects. Now we can get down to some real political tom foolery.
“Laura Ingram is NOT hot .. in fact, she wouldn’t even be fun.”
Laura ingram could be fun if ya broke like an over & under and loaded both barrels.
“Laura Ingram is NOT hot .. in fact, she wouldn’t even be fun.”
Laura ingram could be fun if ya broke like an over & under and loaded both barrels.
“Hey the days are getting longer and the snow is melting. If that isn’t proof of global warming, what is?”
Carbon Als weight gain and receeding hair line.
“Laura ingram could be fun if ya broke like an over & under and loaded both barrels. ”
I think that her under is sealed .. forever .. after Olberman went there.
In fact, it’s highly probably she’s got replacement ‘stuff’… which is why the cannibal polar bears chase her ..
“Carbon Als weight gain and receeding hair line. ”
Small male dogs with pushed-in faces stop humping only dudes legs?
“Small male dogs with pushed-in faces stop humping only dudes legs?”
Yeah, I get it but if you are correct the atmospheric fluctuations would completely render your theory obsolete by the year 2006. Thus setting us on the path of total realization to non-commital choices of soft tissue damage to our exoskeletins.
Anyway the study is moot due to Chris Dodd writing the globull warming bonuses into the structure of scientific study before the whitehouse ordered him to fasten a loophole to said document allowing the bonuses to go ahead on schedule of whitch he had not read before hand and had he done so he would not have altered the original language of what he authored to begin with.
“Anyway the study is moot due to Chris Dodd writing the globull warming bonuses into the structure of scientific study before …..”
So Dodd has a small male dog with a pushed-in face?
Let me guess .. he moved up from legs.
The last two have been much colder than normal, and the earth has been cooling for about 10 years now.
Well that would explain why the globe’s ice packs have been regenerating and not continuing to retreat. Oh wait, they’ve been losing ice mass at an accelerating rate and the ocean level continues to rise. I wonder how that could be?
Dowtown Dem,
You are full of liberal crap. The studies you liberals like to refer to are extremely flawed, just like the Coleman/Franken “recount”.
Globull warming is the biggest hoax of mankind so far.
“You are full of liberal crap. The studies you liberals like to refer to are extremely flawed, just like the Coleman/Franken “recountâ€.”
You’re going to have a difficult time refuting that kind of science Dan.
That’s top shelf stuff there.
D2SI- Central has you there. I know that it is getting warmer. There were these liquid droplets falling from the sky today. They would have been white thingies just a few weeks ago. There are also these state tournaments that coincide with warming in every year prior. How much proof do you need?
Hannity truly is a moron… How in the he!! could ANYONE look to that guy and his program for anything with substance?
Hannity’s America?
Sure .. everyone’s an idiot Sean.
No thanks, Dan, I just got finished smoking you.
Adversarial to the end.
Gotta like it.
Wow! This is the first time extreme leftist Greg jumped in without taking a shot at me first!
Greg, thanks for the advice you gave a while back. I think I’m just going to buy new.
D2 ..
You’re a misinformation extremist moron who secretly fantasizes of a rendezvous with Barney Frank in your compound ..
dressed as a racoon…
with high heels ..
speaking in chimp.
Do you call me a leftist because I recognize that Hannity is a moron?
DJ ..
You’re almost better off since the savings you’d get is going to be minimal from a larger retail shop. … and .. it’s a tough one to find used anyway.
How much proof do you need?
Proof? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Whew… That’s a good one.
However, cursory reading of a 4-page executive summary of just one report revealed the terms “projected” five times, “very likely” five times, and “expected” twice, indicating uncertainty about the data.
No, it indicates that a trained professional knows that when talking about the future you use the language of probabilities, and that an amateur skeptic doesn’t understand when trained professionals are talking.
Atmospheric carbon dioxide increases have long been offered as proof of anthropogenic greenhouse warming. The U. S. Dept. of Energy (www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/1605/ggrpt/carbon.html) offers some facts about CO2 emissions in this country: in 1995 they totaled 5,348.4 metric tons, rising 16 percent to 6021.8 metric tons in 2007. If the alarmists are right, one would expect a corresponding increase in earth’s temperature in 12 years. It has not happened.
The oceans have been absorbing a lot of the extra carbon, but the acidification is playing havoc with ecosystems and the oceans are nearing their absorbed carbon limits.
Many climatologists agree that endorsing Kyoto-like treaties will have no detectable effect on climate change, only resulting in great expense without any true payoff.
Ignoring the obvious environmental improvements, in reality endorsing Kyoto-like treaties would result in a great economic payoff to consumers, entrepreneurs, manufacturers, and technology exporters if this person had a clue map and a brain to read it with. The ONLY players with exposure to “great expense without any true payoff” are the oil companies, and if the writer had been paying attention they’d find many of these companies already positioning themselves to become players in the alternative energy and high efficiency markets.
I don’t pretend to be a climatologist (true) and I’m not against energy progress (false); merely a citizen who is troubled by the alarmist’s irrational doomsday message and the lack of in-depth scrutiny by the media (rather a citizen who is brainwashed into being an apologist for a partisan agenda dedicated to creating straw men to block his own best interests).
Here’s another link to your site.
http://tinyurl.com/de6gqf
Check out the first comment. Nice graphs.
I actually decided on a different one. I talked to the guys at the shop and they said the XDM was much better. The 250 is made to customize, but apparently(even though it’s been out almost 2 years) they haven’t started making the extra parts for it… so I decided to go a bit cheaper for something they said is better.
DJ .. I’m betting it’ll turn out to work for you ..
I like the previous brand VERY much .. but for the price and why I’d purchase it’s just not justifiable.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what the guys said. They love the brand(one of them had one), but said that one just isn’t that great.
Greg, I posted your picture on my website!
D2, are you aware that your YouTube link to “Obama’s Muslim Faith” is up there to show he is Christian, not Muslim?
The description of the video is Here is the full 2 minutes around that misleading 13 second clip. It is as clear as day that he’s putting sarcastic quotes around “my Muslim faith” since the entire question is about his (actual) Christian faith.
I think you need to fix that. It’s not nearly misleading enough.
DJ .. if it’s not misleading it doesn’t go up there.
Some people find comfort surrounding themselves with lies.
Try the OSS 24/7. I’ve heard a couple good things …
DJ,
Thanks for the tip!
The site http://www.dare2sayit.com has been dormant for a while, but I’m firing that mother up again with Soci@list Obama and friends destroying our country.
Thanks Greg, I’ll check it out.
D2, you’re welcome for the tip. Keep up the good work spreading lies and misinformation! We’re all so proud.
Be careful!
I was just hauling in some firewood and fell on my ass from the ice. Luckily my instincts as a skier and outdoorsman kicked in and I was able to break my fall properly.
HAHAHA!! Serves you right…
just kidding.
“just kidding.”
Thanks DJ,
I think most people on this blog have a good heart, I wonder about Deacon Blew (Mark) though.
” Luckily my instincts as a skier and outdoorsman kicked in and I was able to break my fall properly.”
Translation: He fell on his head hurting nothing important.
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I wonder about Deacon Blew (Mark) though.
I think a lot of us wonder about you…
Talk about two great games going on at the same time…
Ok Greg,
As much as I think your’re a liberal ass hole, my best friend is just like you.
Thanks for checking in on me when Obama took over the White House.
Not all conservatives are denialists, but every denialist is a conservative.
I see the Party of Limbaugh has now decided to call any cap and trade system an “energy tax”, not a pollution tax. Par for the course and completely predictible—100% nay-saying opposition to every crucial environmental issue facing the country.
Repubs: irrational, obstructionist and anti-intellectual to the very end. Infantilizing their base of know-nothing conservative while males and then whipping them into a frenzy of ignorance and false “victimhood”.
Country First! ™
Just looked into the legislative history of the repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999 and a portion of my comment at 5:29 is wrong.
Most Dems did support final passage of the repeal bill, although they had opposed it on straight party lines votes right up to final passage. Almost every nay vote was a Dem, but most Dems DID vote for the repeal in both Houses, so deacon is right, the repeal of Glass Steagall was (ultimately) a bipartisan error. One must always check the record.
Of course, conservative de-regulatin’ Repubs were the big pushers of the bill, but the Dems ultimately largely voted for it as well.
Sorry for the incorrect info.
“As much as I think your’re a liberal ass hole, my best friend is just like you.
Thanks for checking in on me when Obama took over the White House.”
I’m just not inclined to be an extremist D2 .. and that’s difficult for you to understand.
I guess if you look at an issue, there’s ‘some’ validity to each side of the argument or position but it’s how the argument is communicated, as-well-as the resolve.
You’re extremist version of life is determined by a very narrow set of rules based upon Christianity (which is also where many of the conservative economic ‘rules’ come from as well). That’s just too confining in my opinion and legitimizes only one thought process .. I’m not sure that’s what America is supposed to be and don’t think the Christian God wants it that way either.
Of course, I’m not in line with the ‘anything goes’ concept either. Some people just want no limits whatsoever and that’s questionable as well both socially and economically.
I don’t ‘get’ the whole extemism gig on either side fo the coin. Never have since it’s not what this country was meant to be … at least that’s how I see it.
Maybe that’s too simple.
Let’s just pretend for a moment that Global Climate Change is a monumental hoax being foisted upon us by the evil environmental Illuminati. We fall for this and spend billions of dollars created a new green economy. We create good, high paying, manufacturing jobs in carbon neutral technologies like solar and wind and fuel cell. We advance these technologies and export them to developing nations, thereby providing them with clean, dependable, local energy production. Aside from the evil environmental Illuminati, I’m not seeing a downside. Hoax or not, we are poised to be at the forefront of a green revolution that promises to transform our transportation, our industry, and our world. A green revolution promises to help alleviate third world poverty, which will go a long way to stabilizing the geo-political landscape. The next 100 years could be as transformative as the first 100 years of the industrial revolution, only this time the planet will be healed instead of scarred. Of course there is the small chance that the vast majority of global climate scientists are exactly correct and if we don’t get off of our tails, we will render the planet uninhabitable for three quartes of the present human population and society as we know it, will collaspe.
Richard states: “Let’s just pretend for a moment that Global Climate Change is a monumental hoax… ”
Who needs to pretend? It is a fact.
John Conyers proposed holding hearings that the liberal activist group ACORN “engaged in a pattern of crimes ranging from voter fraud to a mob-style protection racket.”
Mr. Conyers, a dem, proposed these hearings after listening to testimony on on various ACORN issues related to the 2008 election.
Wow ACORN may end up losing the 40% of it’s funding that comes from the government. Will the libs show some integrity and pursue these criminals?
So, CNC, you agree. There’s no downside to reducing greenhouse gases and investing in green technologies. Glad to get that cleared up.
Meanwhile, the non-partisan CBO estimated deficits from the Obama spendathon budget that exceed $9 trillion. Even the White House budget director states that these deficit levels would: “not be sustainable.”
Our national debt level would exceed 82 percent of the economy by 2019 and ruin the nation’s financial stability.
And where is Obama’s leadership on this? President Carter, oops I mean Obama states that he will proceed full steam ahead.
Greg says:
“You’re extremist version of life is determined by a very narrow set of rules based upon Christianity”
No Greg, it’s based on common sense. We need more people who are “extremist” in your words, to stop this country from going down the toilet.
For example, we have been paying to import Somali’s here to get on our welfare system, despite the serious problems we’ve seen in places like London with this practice, and I’ve been a critic of this idea and called a racist for my views. Sure enough, Minnesota Somali’s have turned into homocide bombers and some trained by Al-Qaida have returned to Minnesota. Is that comforting to you Greg?
We need to bring common sense conservatism back, not more failed liberalism os Soci@lism:
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Even the White House budget director states that these deficit levels would: “not be sustainable.â€
Nobody is suggesting that current spending levels are. What is being suggested is that if we invest in certain sectors of the economy now, it will reap benefits in the future. It’s all about jobs. Tax cuts for the wealthy do not produce jobs. Investing in invention and innovation do. Ending the assault on the middle class will get us out of the fiscal nightmare that Raygun gave us.
Richard, Your claims where preposterous so they aren’t worthy of debate. The green revolution will alleviate poverty? We can see by the AIG mess how government intervention screws up the free market. If the green revolution is a good thing, let the free market embrace it. By the way, how are the sales of hybrid cars lately?
Who needs to pretend? It is a fact.
Only if you ignore the science and invent your own facts.
Par for the GOP course.
A green revolution promises to help alleviate third world poverty,
Try and get it right before you criticize. It will help to alleviate third world poverty because clean, dependable, local energy production will enable wells to go deeper, getting to cleaner water. Refrigeration of food will become possible. Disease rates will go down. Clean, dependable local energy production means less death and misery. It means local industries can begin manufacturing products to be sold. CNC, you are showing a complete lack of imagination and understanding about what green, sustainable economies can do. As far as the free market goes, sales of solar, wind, and geo-thermic energy are going up substantially. Sales of fuel cell technology are going through the roof.
Richard, thought experiments like you propose are lost on doofuses like Preacher Cash—he’s a literalist, completely without imagination or sense.
And stuffed so full of “conservative” horsesh*t that he can write that the “AIG mess shows how gub’mint intervention screws up the free market”—a mess that exists because we completely walled off credit default swaps FROM gub’mint regulation.
Of course, in Preacher Cash’s deranged “mind”, letting AIG go under likely would have “saved” the global financial system–despite all expert opinion to the contrary.
Have another load of horsesh*t, Cash…..you ignoramus.
Dick says:
“What is being suggested is that if we invest in certain sectors of the economy now, it will reap benefits in the future. It’s all about jobs.”
Government got us into this mess, and they are making things worse with the failed bailouts and Porkulus Bill. Government needs to get out of they way and let the economy correct itself.
“Tax cuts for the wealthy do not produce jobs.”
If you take away the incentive to take chances and produce a product which means jobs, fewer jobs will be created. Don’t you get that Dick? The achievers are already paying almost all of the taxes, but the liberal answer is always to raise taxes on them even more.
If you don’t like capitalism Dick, try moving to Cuba.
“A green revolution promises to help alleviate third world poverty”
They need a “keep it in your pants” revolution more than anything.
If you take away the incentive to take chances and produce a product which means jobs, fewer jobs will be created.
Yet the criminal Bush’s economy produced no jobs, zero, in his first four years and a paltry 3 million in his second four. All with enormous tax cuts to the wealthy. The market is a fickle bitch, I’m thinking. Is it possible that the market responds to need? Is it possible that the market will fill whatever niche is available? If people are wanting to buy a thing, that thing will get made, regardless of tax structure for the top 2%.
The achievers are already paying almost all of the taxes
Not even close but look at your language. “The achievers”? You mean like Richard Mellon Scaife who inherited all of his wealth and never produced a damn thing? Is he an “achiever”? Or are you talking about George Soros, who fought the Nazis in Hungary and then came to America and started out as a trader. He literally pulled himself up by his own effort and intelligence to become a wealthy philanthropist. Is he the “achiever” your talking about?
Hey, 2Dim, do you moonlight as an 8ss-wiper for a “achiever”? The conservative answer is to have even more achiever 8ss-wipers, while supplying their own wipe-cloths.
Kids: 2Dim is what you become listening day after day after day to the Rushbo Horsesh*t Machine. Any questions?
Government got us into this mess,
By all the deregulation and tax cuts of the last decade? Are you sure you don’t have some meds you should be checking?
If you take away the incentive to take chances and produce a product which means jobs, fewer jobs will be created.
BS. Speaking as an employer (which you obviously are not) the only thing that creates jobs is customers. And there are some lucrative and growing markets right now, but Republicans like you and CNC are afraid that creating demand for modern technology will cost us.
George Soros is a traiter all right Dick!
Partisan,
Speaking of @ss wipes, you are one of the liberals who is pushing a limit of one square per bathroom visit in order to fight “globull warming”. Hopefully yop won’t have to shake anyones hand, or maybe you behave like they do in the Muslim world and wipe with your left hand (only).
Downtown Dem,
The economy was doing well for the first 6 years of the Bush administration, he even pulled us out of the Clinton recession despite 9-11 and the liberal incompetence during Katrina. Things started going down the toilet only after the soci@list dem’s took over the House and Senate in 2006.
Wow, it’s truly amazing. Facts and science and actual economics have no effect on these chuckle heads.
there are some lucrative and growing markets right now, but Republicans like you and CNC are afraid that creating demand for modern technology will cost us.
The deadenders aren’t afraid modern technology will cost us, they are just afraid. They have lived with a philosophy that requires them to be afraid of whatever they are told to be afraid of for so long, it’s all that they know. Be afraid of people with brown skin, with different religions, be afraid of gay people, be afraid of poor people, be afraid. This is where their cowardice comes from. They can’t help being cowards, it’s all they know.
Wow, facts and science have no effect on these guys. Actual economics has no effect on these guys. History is only what the drug addled Rushbo says it is.
there are some lucrative and growing markets right now, but Republicans like you and CNC are afraid that creating demand for modern technology will cost us.
The deadenders aren’t afraid of modern technology, they’re just afraid.
Australia Slashing Immigration Intake
We need to do the same, especially with the economy the way it is and so many people not working.
Dick,
We know for sure that liberalism and soci@lism kill economies. Don’t you get that?
Bigot, we know for sure, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Don’t you get that?
“Bigot”
Explain yourself Mister. You liberals are pretty careless with that word.
Bigot
noun
a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
Now tell us how you feel about immigration, gay marriage, welfare, and food stamps.
×œ×”×§×™× says:
“I think that the point might be that you can go out on DailyKos, MediaMatters, or any other lefty website, ask “how’s the weather?†and 53 people will respond with “BUSH LIED!—
Oh, I’m sure you’re right. And, just as surely, you could go to some of D2s or CNCs sites, ask the same question, and 53 people will respond with “OBAMA IS A SOCI@LIST”.
My point is both scenarios are laughable, true or not.
Are we, or are we not, talking about politicians? Honestly, what do you expect?
Part of the deal with O, I think, is lotsa folks, amazingly enough, from BOTH sides of the aisle, expected something different from him.
Expectations are not being met.
D2 says:
“We know for sure that liberalism and soci@lism kill economies.”
You keep using these words, D2. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
Actually, Warren Buffet called derivatives the WMDs of our current economy. That and the DEregulation of financial institutions Deacon and Dan discussed above probably had a more adverse effect on our economy than anything else.
I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
-Princess Bride
D2SI – Thanks for entertaining us today. I was out enjoying the day. I come back and read all of the libs resorting to namecalling (as is their historical practice).
Most financial crises have been caused by excesses that tend to lead to a bubble and then bust. This latest financial crisis is based on the housing boom and now bust. Also, the monetary policy has been too loose. There is clear evidence that this monetary excess led to the housing boom. This also led to excessive risk taking.
The financial industry then reacted by looking for high return investments as alternatives to the loose monetary policy low interest rates.
These easy to understand principles of capitalism are not understood by the libs. Their only claim is for more regulation. And where are the “smart” people in government that will place effective controls on the financial institutions? Are these the same people that wrote the Dodd amendment to allow the AIG bonuses?
Q.E.D.
Also, the monetary policy has been too loose.
These easy to understand principles of capitalism are not understood by the libs. Their only claim is for more regulation.
Republicans only want law and order for the lower classes. Extending the theories of law and order to the upper classes is a liberal conspiracy.
Though I never understood if it’s because Cons don’t believe the rich would ever break laws to make their money, if they should be able to break laws to make their money only as long as they pay enough politicians enough money to change the law first, or if it doesn’t matter as long as they pound their chests, point and yell “Social!st” while robbing us.
Keep arguing. Really… it’s fascinating…
“D2SI – Thanks for entertaining us today.”
It was my pleasure Cash. Thanks for the comment.
The CNN Weather Man this morning was concerned about the Red River flooding and cities like Fargo which are Down Stream (DOWN STREAM) from Grand Rapids.
Same Weather Man I like to get my Global Warming Info from.
Dick says:
“Now tell us how you feel about immigration, gay marriage, welfare, and food stamps.”
Immigration:
We need to stop all illegal immigration NOW. We also have to reduce the numbers of legal immigrants coming here during a recession (to save American jobs and keep welfare roles smaller), especially from countries like Somalia which put us at a greater risk of terrorism. The FBI says that some of the Somali Al-Qaida trained terrorist from Minnesota are now back in the US.
gay marriage:
The gay pressure groups are more concerned with stealing the term “marriage” than they are about rights. Even liberal democrat Paul Wellstone voted against gay marriage for the cryin’ out loud.
Welfare:
Our liberal welfare system has been a disaster and has actually made the problems of poverty and crime much worse, and has destroyed the concept of marriage, especially in the black community. When you reward irresponsibility, get get more irresponsible behavior.
food stamps:
ditto
Dick, if those views make me a bigot, then I guess I’m a bigot in your world.
“Marking the sixth anniversary of the start of the U.S. war with Iraq, about 350 sign-waving protesters marched 2 miles through St. Paul to the State Capitol on Saturday to demand that American troops withdraw immediately.”
350 people? Three Hundred and Fifty people?
Again I can get more people to come watch me pee when I first get up in the morning.
350 people thats the story?
“350 people thats the story?”
They probably would have covered it with 35 people. Any leftist cause gets tons of coverage from the liberal media. Good luck though with a rally against illegal immigration or excessive taxes.
“Fargo which are Down Stream (DOWN STREAM) from Grand Rapids”
Maybe it was “Special Olympics Weather man Day” today at CNN. I don’t know?
“The top bowler for the Special Olympics looks forward to meeting President Barack Obama in an alley.
“He bowled a 129. I bowl a 300. I could beat that score easily,” Michigan’s Kolan McConiughey (KO-lahn Mc-KAHNA-he) told The Associated Press in an interview Friday. ”
Frickin’ David AxelROVE will have Obama “Tanking” on that game. “Obama beat by Retard”, god!
Can a person just go into the ER and ask to be put to sleep.
Our liberal welfare system has been a disaster and has actually made the problems of poverty and crime much worse.
Poverty and crime weren’t as bad in the 30′s?
“Poverty and crime weren’t as bad in the 30’s?”
Gageland History Channel. The start of the Projects in Chicago. This big beautiful clean complex. A chance for a New Start.
Then in the 90′s or whatever they had to take them down. And they had 700 – 800 homicides a year there. Think about that Dan thats close to Baghdads total all things concerned. A city 6 hours drive from here.
So I would like to think we start there. I was on board then I was wrong so lets stop wasting our money and try a “new strategy”
Most of all stop all these Kids from being killed every year. The totals have to be in the thousands every year in this country.
I think the data is in on this one. Don’t be a Denier Dan!
” Sure enough, Minnesota Somali’s have turned into homocide bombers and some trained by Al-Qaida have returned to Minnesota. Is that comforting to you Greg?
We need to bring common sense conservatism back, not more failed liberalism os Soci@lism:”
You moron .. first of all, there is NO common sense existing on either side fo the coin any longer. We’re all being driven by extremist big mouths who have no clue, just a big vat of ideology they pull a chunk out of to present as the ultimate ‘fix’.
And where are all these Al-Quaida trained immigrants D2? Can you tell us any names?
Fear mongering moron trying to pass on an ideology ..
Same Weather Man I like to get my Global Warming Info from.
Even the ultra-conservative Washington Post editorial board is seeing the difference between science and partisan obfuscation.
Gageland History Channel. The start of the Projects in Chicago.
You might want to wait until the History Channel covers Prohibition. Violent gangs didn’t start in Chicago in the 1970′s, and it wasn’t the welfare state that spawned them.
But then you probably think the Earth is only 60 years old.
Hey, now we know how Republicans who speak ill of their new leader, Rush Limbaugh, are coming up with their apologies so fast. This makes thing easy:
Liberal Greg says:
“And where are all these Al-Quaida trained immigrants D2? Can you tell us any names?”
Greg, I didn’t just make this story up, it’s from the FBI itself!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509839,00.html
We seem to have the same suicidal liberal immigration policies as many parts of Europe.
Downtown Dem,
Rush isn’t the leader of the Republican party, but he is probably the leader of the rapidly growing Conservative movement. The Republican party need to clean House and get rid of it’s RINO’s.
but he is probably the leader of the rapidly growing Conservative movement.
God couldn’t like me this much.
Your “leader” is a drug addict who, were he anyone other than a celebrity, would still be in jail. His v!agra fueled jaunts to offshore child-porn havens should fit right in with your core values.
And you’re not even fighting that he’s going to be hung around your necks. A Turd Trophy for the hypocrite crowd, that you proudly wear.
Keep it up. Please.
Greg,
Read this about a Somali man who just returned to Minnesota after Al-Qaida Jihad training. It’s OK, you don’t have to apologize.
http://www.startribune.com/local/41634522.html?elr=KArks:DCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr
“Your “leader†is a drug addict”
Rush was addicted to LEGAL pain relivers but got the help he needed. I suppose you’re going to call Bush a drunk as well even though he hasn’t had a drink in years!
I’m sure it’s OK though that your boy Obama was a cocaine user, right Downtown Dem?
D2 you idiot.
You’re going to base all of what you posted as fact?
He’s not in jail .. he’s been id’d by the FBI and he’s free.
You bigotted idiot.
So when one of your children goes out to Hayden Lake and returns we should all just consider them a terrorist .. right?
For someone who declares himself a christian .. you sure are full of hate… but maybe that’s the way it works for you huh?
Greg,
Open up your eyes you extremely liberal man! Somali welfare immigrants in London tried to blow up a train station! I doubt that non-Muslim immigrants would have considered it in a million years. What make you think they wouldn’t do the same thing here, especially knowing the clear link to terror with Minnesota Somalis. We have a suicidal immigration policy just like England and it needs to stop right now!.
Check out this website and comment again when you can do so intelligently:
D2 .. you’re a biggoted ignorant moron. You don’t have a clue other than the crap you surround yourself with daily.
Tell me about all the training you have as a terrorism expert .. please? I wanna hear it all. Tell me where it all comes from.
Intelligently? Intelligently would be understanding those people you call terrorists … but you’ll never get there as a bigot… never.
Greg,
Don’t be so ignorant. Europe wouldn’t have the problems they have with terrorism and radical Islam today if they weren’t infected with liberalism.
Don’t be so ignorant? HAAAAA!
Pot .. kettle .. black .. uh huh.
The only information and experience you have revolves around extremist websites and literature. You then take that and twist it into your bigotted point of view.
You are as bad or worse as those you have so much hatred for .. and waht’s worse is you can’t even see it.
You’re just as much a threat as those you claim to know so much about.
Moron.
“which Dan’s article makes clear was corruptly slipped by Gramm into a non-filibusterable budget reconciliation bill which the president would never veto.”
Corruptly slipped? Define slipped. Is an ACT slipped into a bill when the author, ” strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act’s inclusion into the must-pass budget package.”
Does that sound like a covert action by a corrupt man trying to slip something pased anyone? Are you this dense and or stupid Parthian?
” Indeed Clinton himself says he thinks he should have made more effort to “formally regulate†derivatives, which contradicts deacon’s claim his support for Gramm’s Commodity Futures bill.”
Clinton is looking back and taking responsibility for his obviously misguided support for the CFM Act. He cant defend it because there is no defense of it. On the flip side he apparently thinks he can defend FSM Act so he spends his time trying to save face on that one. Why, I have no idea.
You and Dan can continue with this stupid charade that CLinton had no idea what was going on and that Gramm put the two Acts into other bills in secret if you want to. Unfortunatley, the facts, history and truth arent on your side. Unless you consider a pompus ass striding into the senate and proclaiming the genious and benefits of the CFM Act as covert and sneaky.
Im not going to dispute that the GOP is the deregulation party. Thats obvious. But this continual denial by partisan hacks like you Parth, that Clinton and the DEMS were dooped is silly. Clinton supported both acts and signed them both into law. Looking back Clinton should have veoted them both and let Bush pass them instead. That would make it easier for you to continue to blame someone else for deregulation.
Greg,
I’m not saying all Somali’s are bad, but if even 1% of them are terror risks, none of them should be allowed to move here, period.
How can you allow multiculteralism to have more value than our safety Greg?
“How can you allow multiculteralism to have more value than our safety Greg? ”
You moron .. you answered that question.
Maybe next week the extreme Christians will be the target?
Even if 1% of them are a threat they should be gone .. right?
Get it?
Moron.
Greg,
You can’t compare Christianity to the Religion of Peace when it comes to violence.
“You can’t compare Christianity to the Religion of Peace when it comes to violence.”
I can’t?
Are you absolutely sure about that?
Are you telling me that all religions are without any violence?
You really are that prejudice/ignorant aren’t you ..
CNC:
I agree, the libs are unusually crabby here and nationally, as they observe the unending gaffe machines that are their “beloved” Dem leaders. Yes, everyone is a genius when they are out of power:
look at the unending circus from the Dems. It always seems so easy from the sidelines……
What an effen joke, and Krauthammer’s column again nails it this weekend.
I just got back from pouring my hard-earned money down the toilet by betting on the NCAA’s at Wynn. They actually have alot more foot traffic than when I was last there in Sept. I hope that’s a good sign. Thursday AM at 9AM there had to be 200 people in line to sports bet at the Wynn. It was unbelievable.
Anyway, tough economy, hilarious leadership! How do you lefties even get the gumption to defend these twits?
Greg, no offense, but I have to somewhat side with D2 on this one. His earlier post at least. I don’t agree that we shouldn’t let any Somalis into the country, but I have a HUGE problem with the fact that some are being recruited by Al Queda and returning to MN. I had a chat with the former Special Agent in Charge of the Minnesota Bureau of Investigations and he said the most likely place in MN for a terrorist attack would be the MOA. He says it is a likely terrorist target because: A) There are a lot of people there and B) It represents consumerism in America, something terrorists despise. My sister works at the MOA, which makes this a big concern of mine. When the MOA has a terroristic threat(which happens more than you hear about), they don’t close down the Mall. They have police walk through it and they check garbage cans for bombs and other areas. About a month ago, I read in the Strib about a guy from CO(I think) who had threatened to blow up the Mall. Bloomington police were notified and they looked around the Mall. My sister was working that day. She noticed some police walking around, but they didn’t mention anything. That bothers me a lot. So when I read in the Strib that a number of people who were assumed to have gone off and joined Al Queda have returned to MN, that bothers me a lot. God willing, nothing will happen. But I would like to see some arrests and some questions answered.
But I’m still not willing to go to the extremes that D2 is. Because 1% of a group are terrorists(in this case, Muslims, and I’m sure it’s less that 1%), doesn’t mean we shouldn’t let any of them into the country. I work with a number of Somalis and Muslims from other countries. They are hard-working people who contribute a lot to this country and there is no reason to keep them out. I would just like to see more action taken in the case of these Somalis who went missing and have shown up again.
DJ ..
Extemists like D2 cause more of an issue than already exists. When people are treated badly for no apparent reason, they tend to act out. If a person is ostracized because of their nationality, you give them a reason to become angry and in some instances look for a ‘comfort’ zone. That comfort zone may be a place or group of people who’s interests are less than geneuine towards this country.
D2 and the misinterpretations he passes on are a catalyst towards a good citizen becoming bad.
Ask your friend how these guys get recruited and what makes them a good potential recruit .. ask him also about terrorists within our own country that aren’t immigrants ..
And DJ .. don’t interpret that as I’m happy that it happens. I’m just very sure that extremism isn’t discouraged with more extremism.
Greg says:
“Extemists like D2 cause more of an issue than already exists.”
Greg, what’s wrong with looking at the serious problems with lack of assimilation and terror in places like London and other parts or Eurabia and ask ourselves, do we want to end up like that? I’ll bet you don’t either, and people need to speak up about it.
We’ve already seen a problem with Muslim cab drivers refusing to pick up people who are gay, are carrying wine or pork, or need a seeing eye dog. And what about the cashiers who refuse to ring up pork products? What about the woman who are demanding that their heads be covered in their drivers license ID’s? I won’t even bring up the flying Imam’s and the stunt they pulled.
Also, the leading Muslim pressure group CAIR has stated that they want our Constitution done away and replaced with strict Sharia law, and that’s about as anti-American as you can get, but go ahead and keep calling me an extremist for having legitamate concerns.
Bigot and his ilk all share the same world view. Be afraid of everything and everyone that doesn’t look or act like you.
The gay pressure groups are more concerned with stealing the term “marriage†than they are about rights.
Besides displaying a profound ignorance of the issue and the people involved, the language of this is telling. “Stealing” the term. Here is the implication that the term marriage will be taken away from us. And of course that’s far more important to the gay community then any silly rights or privileges that are automatically conferred upon a couple when they enter into the contractual agreement, we all call marriage. Last count, I believe something like 1100 laws affecting rights like property and inheritance and child custody are automatically conferred upon a couple when they marry. But we must get all up in arms, because the gay is attacking the sacred institution of marriage. As a side note, the majority of marriages now lead to the less then sacred, institution of divorce. Paranoid philosophies really aren’t big on reality. Adherents basically make up stuff as they need to. Jason Lewis is a prime example of the paranoid. Be afraid of everything because “they” are coming to take it all away from you and give it to someone who doesn’t look or talk like you. Glenn Beck is another nutter, who if you spend ten minutes, checking into his “facts” you find he’s completely wrong and beyond idiocy. His whole schtick is “the Republic is at stake”. Whatever the hell that’s suppose to mean but I’m guessing I’m suppose to be afraid of something.
I won’t even bring up the flying Imam’s and the stunt they pulled.
Oh please do. I want to hear all about the Flying Imam’s and the stunt they pulled. I’ll try to guess the end of the story right now. I need to be afraid of Muslims in funny cloths. Is that it?
D2 .. I have no problem with bringing up valid threats and looking for ways to diminish or remove them. However, extremist idiots mouthing off like yourself do ABSOLUTELY no good for numerous reasons. The first being that you use talking points from persons/agencies who do NOT have a clue and are about the furthest thing from professionals. Instead, they’re working for an agenda plain and simple .. an agenda fueld by extremism.
You want to be an idiot like the morons that fuel your website? Go ahead, see how much that takes care of. In the meantime, there are professionals that would look at the crap you spew and agree that your extremism is fueling more problems.
Considering what’s happening is one thing .. spewing out your brand of prejudice and hatred is another.
Why do you even attend a church service?
Dick,
The concept of gay civil unions doesn’t bother me, but using the term “marriage” to define it isn’t right. Marriage is strictly between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.
Greg,
Just the opposite is true. I want against EXTREMISM which is what many Somali’s and Muslims are bringing in with them. Again, if people don’t want to assimilate and become Americans, they have no business coming here in the first place.
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Radical Extremist Theodore Roosevelt’s ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
“The concept of gay civil unions doesn’t bother me, but using the term “marriage†to define it isn’t right. Marriage is strictly between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.”
Why don’t you admit that the only reason you are so against gay marriage is because your man love Barney Frank turned you down.
As with most things, if D2 can’t have his way then nobody can …
I’m so lucky I’m heterosexual …
Greg, do you agree with may statement about marriage or not? No liberal BS now, a simple YES or NO will do.
Marriage is strictly between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.
The church I go to performs gay weddings. Our pastor and our national organization believes that inclusion is much more important then state recognition. Couples can go through the same counseling sessions, invite friends and family, and make promises to each other in front of God and people of the church community. What does that harm? How is that a threat to you? To deny these people these rights cannot be defined as anything but discrimination.
“The church I go to performs gay weddings.”
Then it’s not a real church Dick.
Wow,
Then it’s not a real church Dick.
That’s some amazing stuff. Tell me, Bigot, what did Christ have to say about this. Please site me, chapter and verse, Christ’s statements about the gay.
Dick,
Show me where the Bible endorses gay marriage? There are plenty of places where it says homosexuality is a sin though. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, Dick.
D2 .. I don’t care if a gay person wants to be married to another gay person. Why would I? It doesn’t hurt me at all.
Why does it bother you?
Does it stop gay relationships?
Does it make your marriage less of a marriage?
I’ve yet to see anyone give a real reason as to why there’s an issue other than ..
they just don’t like it.
And don’t try the old people will marry horses or chickens or whatever garbage ..
There are plenty of places where it says homosexuality is a sin though.
So is mixing your fibers.
My guess is that you, Cafeteria Christian Extraordinaire, break half of the laws laid down in Leviticus on a daily basis.
I’d also like to point out that the Bible DOES extensively address how immigrants are to be treated. Ironically, immigration/immigrants is one of the single most heavily covered social issues in the Bible, and you’re on the opposite side of that too.
You truly do live in a Bizarro universe.
What does the Bible say about same sex marriage?
christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f018.html
So, you can’t site any statements by Christ prohibiting the gay. That’s okay, because there are none. Paul railed against the gay in his letter to the Romans and Corinthians but doesn’t claim that his view is sourced by Christ. Christ himself said nothing about it. If you believe God created Adam and Eve, then you must believe God created all of us, including Steve and Bruce and Lance and Barbara and Joyce and Lily. Bigotry is ugly and destructive to one’s soul. Next time you’re in church, stop and think of how imperfect your understanding is ask for more understanding.
Now, to a more practical viewpoint. Marriage, as outlined by the state, has nothing to do with religious views. If it did, atheists, like myself, wouldn’t be allowed to marry. Discrimination against a minority population needs to be ferreted out and ended.
Downtown Dem,
We treat our immigrants better than any other country in the world. All I’m asking is that they come here legally, assimilate, and don’t blow us up.
“plenty of places”
Actually there are very few biblical passages even arguably mentioning homosexuality, and you don’t have the slighest idea where they are or what they say, 2Dum.
Conservativus Ignoramii—that’s your species. Identified by profound stupidity and factual mistakes on every known topic.
Richard—how many conservative white male gunplay incidents do you predict Glenn Beck will incite over the next few years?
What does the Bible say about same sex marriage?
You can’t get a simply question right. I asked where Christ said anything about it. Again, it was a fixed question because he said nothing about it. He preached quite a bit about tolerance and peace.
“Marriage, as outlined by the state, has nothing to do with religious views. If it did, atheists, like myself, wouldn’t be allowed to marry.”
Dick, I really don’t care what you do, just don’t call it marriage if it isn’t. Again, homosexual pressure groups are more interested in stealing the term marriage than they are about rights.
how many conservative white male gunplay incidents do you predict Glenn Beck will incite over the next few years?
If Beck’s work results in the United States shedding Texas, then it’ll be worth it.
Dick,
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, which would also mean that gay marriage is wrong. It’s pretty simple, but I guess your “church” chooses to ignore the Bibles teachings.
Again, homosexual pressure groups are more interested in stealing the term marriage than they are about rights.
Is this what your gay lovers are telling you? Don’t believe them, they’ll tell you anything to get you in bed.
Dick says:
“The church I go to performs gay weddings.”
Dick also says:
“If it did, atheists, like myself, wouldn’t be allowed to marry.”
I knew it! Your fake church is filled with athiests and just a tool to promote gay marriage!
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong,
Do you live according to Leviticus, D2? Do you think our laws should reflect everything Leviticus says (how very Shia of you)? The Bible clearly states… and you’re clearly a hypocrite and a liar.
The Bible says a lot of things. Is your daughter for sale Bigot, Exodus 21:7 reads:
if a man sells his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
You see, the menservants get released from their servitude after seven years. Not so, for your daughter.
From Exodus 21:4
If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself.
The upshot here is if your male slave is given a wife, then he’s free after his seven year but the master gets to keep the wife and children. Now there’s some family values.
There’s a lot of fun stuff like that in the Bible.
What Christ said was stuff like:
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
And Bigot, when he said love your neighbor as yourself, I don’t think he meant with your right hand and a poster of Britney Spears. And I don’t think he meant your immediate neighbor. I’m thinking he meant all of humankind. And I’m thinking he meant tolerance and respect.
D2 .. you use religion to promote your ideology just as others do.
Religion has been perverted terribly .. unfortunately.
I knew it! Your fake church is filled with athiests and just a tool to promote gay marriage!
I’m sure the congregation will be interested in hearing this. My pastor and I have many spirited debates concerning the difference between religion and spirituality. I happen to believe the practice of religion has next to nothing to do with spirituality. I believe religion is all about community and very important for feeling connected and supported. The baptism ceremony is very important for young parents. They present a new baby to the congregation and promise to care for be responsible for the upbringing of this child. Promises made in front of a group of people carry substantial weight. Also, the congregation promises, by witnessing, to care for and be responsible for the upbringing of this child. God has nothing to do with any of this. That’s what me and my pastor talk about.
“I knew it! Your fake church is filled with athiests and just a tool to promote gay marriage! ”
And your church isn’t?
Bunch of hypocrites .. on both sides.
I guess the libs didn’t want to discuss facts in regards to financial crises. The only response from the libs on my fact-based comment was this nifty rant: “Though I never understood if it’s because Cons don’t believe the rich would ever break laws to make their money, if they should be able to break laws to make their money only as long as they pay enough politicians enough money to change the law first, or if it doesn’t matter as long as they pound their chests, point and yell “Social!st†while robbing us. ”
If there were laws that were broken, then jail the folks, rich or poor – it doesn’t matter to me. If we are going to implement a revenge tax on AIG bonuses, we should also implement it on the members of congress that voted for the bill with the Dodd amendment in it. If they voted for the amendment, they should also pay the price.
I would like to point out that President Obama stated on Jay Leno: The “dirty little secret is that most of the stuff that got us into trouble was perfectly legal.†So who should we tar and feather today? Geithner? AIG execs?
Ok libs, you can go back to your namecalling…
“That’s what me and my pastor talk about.”
It cracks me up that an athiest like you is a regular church go’er Dick, but I think people have now figured you out.
Again, there is nothing bigoted about wanting to preserve traditional merriage.
“And your church isn’t?”
No greg, we have never had a gay marriage ceremony. If we ever did, the vast majority of people would find a different church real quick.
“D2 .. you use religion to promote your ideology just as others do.”
What idiology is that Greg? Common sense? I think I share the views of most American who want secure borders, immigrants to assimilate, low taxes, no Soci@lism, and traditional marriage preserved. Sounds pretty radical to me Greg.
“The baptism ceremony is very important for young parents. They present a new baby to the congregation and promise to care for be responsible for the upbringing of this child. Promises made in front of a group of people carry substantial weight. Also, the congregation promises, by witnessing, to care for and be responsible for the upbringing of this child. God has nothing to do with any of this. That’s what me and my pastor talk about.”
Ive never heard of a baptism that doesnt involve Christ or God. The promise you make in a baptism is to not just raise and support that child, but to raise them in Christ and to believe in god and the church. Im an atheist too and am about to have a child for the first time. Im definetly not going to have her baptized so I can make a promise infornt of a group. I can do that without going to a church. Im not sure you’re really an atheist in the way most people understand that term.
It cracks me up that an athiest like you is a regular church go’er Dick, but I think people have now figured you out.
I’m curious, would your church forbid an atheist to attend services? Would your church forbid an atheist from outreach to assisted living facilities and hospitals? Would your church forbid an atheist from attending bible study? If so, why? Aside from the magic guy in the sky stuff, me and my pastor agree on most things.
Again, there is nothing bigoted about wanting to preserve traditional merriage.
You mean our wives are our property? Because that’s “traditional” marriage. Even interracial marriage was illegal until only a generation ago. That’s not a very traditional marriage. None of today’s marriages are “traditional.”
What you really mean when you talk about “preserv(ing) traditional merriage (sic)” is that you only believe in protecting the most recent developments in society’s understanding of the word marriage as it benefits you and then call it traditional when in reality it’s already radical by “traditional” terms.
But you live in Bizarro Land, so it makes sense to you.
“immigrants to assimilate”
You dont even know what that means. You want to have a secret police to monitor new immigrants to make sure tehy are wearing their Levi’s, eating Mac and Cheese and watching football while they drink lite beer. Assimilation has nothing to do with how you dress, what language you speak at home and what you eat. It only means that to you. For the majority of immigrants, they work hard, start businesses, follow the laws and send their kids to school. Thats assimilation.
“Aside from the magic guy in the sky stuff, me and my pastor agree on most things.”
As an atheist, why not join a bowling league? Or attend a mosque or a Temple? There are ways to be in the community without attending church. Or is it the cookies and coffee in the basement that you like?
If we are going to implement a revenge tax on AIG bonuses,
Would this be like the Envy Cap the Republicans were crying about when they wanted US autoworkers to slash their pay when their companies got bailout money?
Im not sure you’re really an atheist in the way most people understand that term.
I thought he was misusing Atheist too. I’m thinking it was easier to spell than gnostic or pantheist, and he (rightfully) figured that D2 would have only heard “atheist” anyway.
“Would this be like the Envy Cap the Republicans were crying about when they wanted US autoworkers to slash their pay when their companies got bailout money?”
One is a renegotiation of a contract the union would have to accept, the other is unconstitutional. The bonuses, while vile politically and morally, arent consequential to the survival of AIG. The union contracts as written today are a direct impediment to the survival of the auto comapnies.
Sorry, Dan I missed the term Envy Cap in the last post there. Dont mean to speak out of turn. Im not familiar with that one so Ill have to look it up after breakfast. I thought you were comparing the AIG tax to the renegotiated UAW contracts. Perhaps thats not what you ment.
Ive never heard of a baptism that doesnt involve Christ or God.
You and my pastor zero’d in on exactly the same point. My answer was, “Point to God in the room.” Where is God? Everywhere? Nowhere? Raised in Christ just means in accordance with the accepted and current dogma of the group. Dogma that is agreed upon, for the most part, by the group.
Im an atheist too and am about to have a child for the first time. Im definetly not going to have her baptized so I can make a promise infornt of a group.
Nobody ever said you had to. But consider there are kids that could use the kind of support and advise a community can provide. Young families are a particular focus of our congregation and without being intrusive, every effort is made to support and help these young people raise healthy children. Nothing is worse then seeing the face of a young man whose just been laid off and now doesn’t know how he’s going to care for his wife and baby. Nothing is better then helping.
Or is it the cookies and coffee in the basement that you like?
Curses. My dirty little secret is revealed.
“As an atheist, why not join a bowling league?”
Because that won’t help get the gay marriage agenda.
There certainly are a lot of athiests attacking me today! Go figure..
“You mean our wives are our property?”
No, I mean keeping it traditional like the way it’s been for centuries, between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.
You never answered my questions.
I’m curious, would your church forbid an atheist to attend services? Would your church forbid an atheist from outreach to assisted living facilities and hospitals? Would your church forbid an atheist from attending bible study?
D2 .. it’s ideology not idiology .. wait .. in your case it’s probably idiotology.
I should’ve known you wouldn’t get it or you’d simply ignore it since it’s valid.
“There certainly are a lot of athiests attacking me today! Go figure.. ”
I’m not an atheist .. but I’m not attacking you.
I’m just simply pointing out that you’re a trained chimp acting like a moron.
Cash N. Carey says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 am
I guess the libs didn’t want to discuss facts in regards to financial crises.
AMEN! (keeping the tone of the big religious discussion ongoing).
And look, they wont even call you names!
The Bizarro world is how the lefties were all over Bush for budget deficits, unending wars, gaffe comments, poor economy, job losses, culture of corruption, etc etc etc –why go on? It is like taking candy from Special Olympians (in BO terms).
No CNC, after a CBO forecast of 10 TRILLION in deficits, me thinks our leftie friends will either be ultra-rude in an effort to stifle discussions, or simply go off on these tangents like gay marriage, which cant even win a vote on the LEFT coast…….
Budget, what budget?
War, what war?
Gaffe machines, what gaffes?
taxes? Always avoid them unless you need a Cabinet job…
No, I mean keeping it traditional like the way it’s been for centuries, between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.
On the scale of human history, that’s actually a fairly recent development. Most societies had a ONE MAN and SEVERAL WOMEN setup. A few had a ONE WOMAN and SEVERAL MEN deal going. Several American Indian tribes held that a man who choose to live as a woman was touched by the Great Spirit and had a great deal of power. ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN “tradition” has really only arisen in the last several hundred years in western Europe. And even then wasn’t all that strictly enforced.
Dick,
No, my church wouldn’t block athiests from attending, they would try to help them. Same with homosexuals.
Greg,
I still don’t think you have a good argument for calling me an extremist. My views are pretty mainstream, I just speak up more than most people about them.
figured that D2 would have only heard “atheist†anyway.
4… 3… 2…
There certainly are a lot of athiests attacking me today!
Cash, none of the libs responded to your 3:37 post because you simply admitted that unregulated capitalism leads to “excesses” that lead to huge financial crises and hence economic depressions.
We agree. It was amusing to see you now admit that.
What’s great is that even when you possess some correct facts, your daily ingestion of barrelfuls of conservative horsesh*t cause you to make conclusions utterly at odds with what you previously argued—here, that regulation isn’t needed, after first arguing that unregulated capitalism begets multiple crises.
This is what it means to have a brain poisoned by conservative toxins. QED.
I thought you were comparing the AIG tax to the renegotiated UAW contracts. Perhaps thats not what you ment.
Well, I did bait a hook…
I was just making play on the Right’s reflexive defense of the wealthiest while easily playing off the “unfairness” of the portions of the (shrinking) middle class doing well.
I’d make an argument to you that the payroll costs to the auto companies are still a small enough percentage so as not to be a serious factor in their death or survival, in much the same way the bonuses being handed out at AIG will make or break their survival, but I try not to start a nuance based argument with anyone with more time on their hands than me.
No, my church wouldn’t block athiests from attending, they would try to help them. Same with homosexuals.
How? Are you of the “Pray the Gay Away” crowd or would you accept them into your community without judgment? If a nasty old atheist were to wander in, would you accept him or her and treat them in a Christian manner or would you insist on proselytizing? In other words, “In your church, which is more important, God or Christ?
“idiotology”
Anyone ever rent the movie “Idiocracy”? It’s an attempted comedy about a far in the future dystopia where human IQs have universally declined to sub-cretinous levels as a result of only idiots bearing children.
Sort of a reverse natural selection where the 2Ds prevail.
I thought he was misusing Atheist too. I’m thinking it was easier to spell than gnostic or pantheist,
Nope, I’m pretty much a complete atheist. No God, no magic. Just the facts, ma’am. Myths fascinate me and my pastor and I discuss meanings and archetypes and God and beer. Beer occupies several hours a month. He is a bit of girl when it comes to beer. He likes the light pilsners while I am in the dark, hoppy, ridiculously bitter stouts. You know, the manly brews.
D2 mainstream? Doubtful .. very doubtful.
Is someone trying to boost your self-esteem or something?
“Are you of the “Pray the Gay Away†crowd?”
How about Homo Nomo!
Shorter 6DJ:
“Libs are hypocrites, and I have no views of my own to express”.
Repeat ad infinitum….it just never gets stale!
“My views are pretty mainstream..”
You forgot a few words DTSI-bot.
“My views are pretty mainstream far right extremist.” Now that’s better.
And DTSI and CNC are the type of Limbaugh Republicans that Palin and Jindahl are courting. No wonder the Limbaugh Party is going down the tubes. Even Newt sees that and is trying to rescue it.
DFL Dora,
There is no question that the Republicans, even with their liberal RINO’s, are much better for this country than the Soci@lists who have taken over the democrat party.
6DJ says:
“Budget, what budget?
War, what war?
Gaffe machines, what gaffes?”
Now which administration are we talking about here, Jim, the current one or the previous one? Seems to me it covers either one at this point.
I’m curious to see if that will apply to O after 8 years as certainly as it applies to W.
Hey DJ, you’re right, that was from the Princess Bride. I modified the quote to apply it to D2. Here is the original:
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
“Now which administration are we talking about here,”
Mr Pyhon, whistle this little diddy to the tune of “the wizard of OZ”. It should help you stay focused.
♪♫ You must pay attention♪♫
♪♫it really isn’t that hard♪♫
♪♫you can even blink, blink, blink,♪♫
♪♫and never miss a thing, thing, thing♪♫
♪♫da da da da da da daaaa♪♫
Thanx GO.
You da man.
“that Palin and Jindahl are courting”
Can we PLEASSSSSSSE retire these 2 names to the crap heap of history. If Palin was a man and Jindahl was white neither one would even get a second look from the republicans.
Fortunatly we are stuck with Rush for pure entertainment value.
“Thanx GO.
You da man.”
No problum.
I got rhythm. Born with it. can’t be denied.
“If Palin was a man and Jindahl was white neither one would even get a second look from the republicans.”
This is true. Similar circumstances helped O and Hilary to the national stage as well, although I think these two have a little more on the ball than Palin and Jindahl.
“Nothing is better then helping.”
And you as an atheist find the best way to find that support is through the church? Maybe Im the oddball atheist but I try not to fake religion. I dont believe so I dont participate. As an atheist you sure do have an interesting way to find community. Personally, I joined the Rotary to find some people I could commune with. Why join a church if the whole purpose of the church is to worship something you dont believe in? Why not Islam or Judaism? Why not join a service organization like the Lions or Rotary or Kiwanis?
” Raised in Christ just means in accordance with the accepted and current dogma of the group.”
My cousin’s son was just baptised and part of the promise they made was to raise their son to believe in god and christ. They also recited the lords prayer and answered I do to questions like do you believe in god and jesus christ. Should I as an atheist as a member of a church lie and say ‘I do’ when I dont just to baptize a baby in a community? I thouight maybe I could and I would lie. But then Im lying in front of family friends and this community just so I can be a part of something, a community if you will. Id sugest you fish or cut bait.
“He likes the light pilsners while I am in the dark, hoppy, ridiculously bitter stouts. You know, the manly brews.”
So you’re a church going atheist beer snob? Sorry to break it to you but there is nothing sissy about the pilsner beer. Stella is an awesome Pilsner. I cant stand the high brow anglofile geeks who think Stouts are manly. No offense, you seem like a nice enough guy.
I just wonder if any “stimulus†money†somehow finds it way to the bus company or the people that are organizing this “AIG Tourâ€
I never heard that question asked ALL DAY LONG today.
Who is organizing it? (This isn’t spontaneous)
Where do they get their Money?
But I guess nobody is interested in that.
Are we going to have “Harassment Squads†that travel around the country camping out in front of Rich Peoples houses? That’s scary sh^t.
Maybe we can get Saras help and we’ll go back to the old fashion kidnapping and ransom food distribution to the needy.
Better Yet lets just “clip†some rich people. Social Justice.
That’s scary sh^t.
monty says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Now which administration are we talking about here, Jim, the current one or the previous one? Seems to me it covers either one at this point.
My point exactly! I think you miss my delicious sarcasm, Monty. I think it is so very tasty, like a Michael Mina steak!
The same people wailing over 400 billion dollar W deficits seem to be lovin’ the 1.8 trillion one.
Afghan surge? No problem if it is the O man doing it.
Rip into special needs people? No comment if O man does it.
At least with the last administration, the loonie wingnut lefties would howl like stuck pigs at every decision, now with Obama bankrupting the nation and accelerating the war,
how does the saying go?
“the silence is deafening….”
Orlando ‘Tea Party’ rally draws more than 4,000
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-locteaparty21032209mar22,0,426670.story
Do you think Comrade Partisan, DFL Dora, and Greg will attend the one at the Minnesota State Capital on April 15 from 11:00-1:00 as counter protestors? I can just picture Partisan sporting his hammer and cycle sign.
I’ll be there with some people from work, and I hope some of you at the BQ can make it as well.
“Afghan surge? No problem if it is the O man doing it.
Rip into special needs people? No comment if O man does it.”
Great points Jim!
The Star Democrat Tribune had a big story abouty 350 activists protesting the the wars in Iraq and Afgahnistan. Where are the shouts of “Obama the war criminal”? These idiots are still protesting Bush even though Obama running the wars now.
No problum.
I got rhythm. Born with it. can’t be denied.
You must not be Jewish.
“hammer and cycle sign”
Marx rode a Harley—did you know that, 2Dim?
“Marx rode a Harley—did you know that, 2Dim?”
Only people that think Marx is God believe that.
Can none of the libs come up with an argument that loose monetary policy helped cause this financial crisis? With the government promoting home ownership to folks that couldn’t afford homes, it was just a matter of time before the bubble burst. Capitalism is a very efficient system and responds to stimuli quickly. If government agencies get it wrong, it can be devastating. The government “solution” usually causes more problems than it solves.
God bless the capitalists!
If you need proof that man-induced global warming is a hoax, go to The Hearland Institute proceedings from this year.
For those that want a summary of the globull warming hoax:
Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Obama goes on the Tonight Show and 60 minutes. Crisis, what financial crisis?
The Washington Post today states: “Elite opinion wants to empower the Federal Reserve to act as the “super-cop” protecting the financial system against systemic risk in the future. This idea is another instance of rewarding failure. The Fed was blind to the systemic risk accumulating during the past two decades and it failed utterly to head off the excesses — the explosion of debt and Wall Street’s fraudulent valuations.
The central bank, in fact, with its erratic monetary policy, was a central source of what destabilized the economy. ”
The government destabilized our economy? I know a few smart guys that have been posting on this blog, stating the same thing. Libs, I guess you will have to resort to namecalling once again.
If you need proof that man-induced global warming is a hoax,
You must have missed this from earlier, but even the ultra-conservative Washington Post editorial board is seeing the difference between science and partisan obfuscation. Score one for science education.
“You must have missed this from earlier, but even the ultra-conservative Washington Post editorial board is seeing the difference between science and partisan obfuscation. Score one for science education.”
So what..still a fraud. You know. I know it and I think many others know it too.
the Dunce:
You must have missed this from earlier, but even the ultra-conservative Washington Post editorial board is seeing the difference between science and partisan obfuscation. Score one for science education.
Is this a joke?
WP is ultraconservative? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
This is one guy’s column who is obviously as anti-science as one can be.
Look at his credits at the end.
Yes, he seems like a “real” source. 
)
CNC:
these are the flailing libs:
muddy this extraordinary financial and political mess with the usual misinfo smokescreen of gay rights or global warming “sources.”
Dunce:
this is the best you got for a source?
You need to go blog on a Disney site or something. Maybe a Hannan Montana thread?
GAWD, how much more patheric can our lib friends get??????????????
CBO: 10 trillion!
Geitner: hopeless
Obama: foot in mouth and laughing it up on 60 minutes (imagine W hoot n and whooping during the Katrina aftermath)
Congress: OK’s AIG bonuses in february then is shocked! in March. Dodd is a loser.
Yes, the libs here always seemed to taunt that those on the right never posted things of substance. Well, who is posting pablum now?
Please lib geniuses, weigh in on CBO, congress, obama, or geitner: these ARE your guys afterall.
How’s it going?
From the last 72 hours of lib posts here, pretty effen bad.
Yes, the libs here always seemed to taunt that those on the right never posted things of substance.
Those on the right are still not posting anything of substance. They’re just using more words and thinking that makes up for a lack of substance. It can still be distilled down to IT’S NOT OUR FAULT – GEORGE WHO?
“My cousin’s son was just baptised and part of the promise they made was to raise their son to believe in god and christ. They also recited the lords prayer and answered I do to questions like do you believe in god and jesus christ. Should I as an atheist as a member of a church lie and say ‘I do’ when I dont just to baptize a baby in a community? I thouight maybe I could and I would lie. But then Im lying in front of family friends and this community just so I can be a part of something, a community if you will. Id sugest you fish or cut bait.”
An expectant father’s post is all “Me, Me, Me”, ahhhh, maturity.
6DJ is too stupified to understand the new dynamic—that it’s the wingnut side of the ledger who now has the burden of complaint toward the new Dem admin’s policies.
No longer can the Rightists just “react” to the frequent, lengthly, informed indictments of their beloved Bushco posted by the hated libs. Now THEY have to post something substantive.
Which they can’t do—hell, they can’t construct a paragraph on their own! Cash can’t even read!
6DJ, why don’t you explain why the (projected) Obama deficits are somehow worse than the $5 trillion in debt that Bushco rang up over the past 8 years? And what would you and your fellow conservat*rds do differently?
Why don’t you write something about the Afghan surge? Support it? Oppose it? Who knows? Instead, all we get is your stale shopworn buggaboo—Lib Hypocrisy!
When it was “your guys” we demonic libs attacked their bad policies. Now that its “our guys” you apparently think we have to pre-emptively defend them from your non-existent “attacks”.
Nope, that’s not the system. YOU Rightists now have to show your great persuasive powers in criticizing Obama and the Dem policies—then we’ll respond. Otherwise, we’ll write about what we want, not what you’d like to see.
“Which they can’t do—hell, they can’t construct a paragraph on their own!”
This is true to the extent that I have observed the moderates and more conservative minds can write their thoughts and debate topics and concerns in a direct sentence structure of two to three lines compared to the more looney liberal Goreist gullibalists rantings of multiple paragraph cut and paste regurgitations of their Messiah’s prophets.
Also the Looney left has an absurdly mideival sense of humor towards the mentally challenged.
“And what would you and your fellow conservat*rds do differently?”
Just a show of hands please, do all those on the left feel that the developmentally challenged are just a punchline?
Just a show of hands please, do all those on the left feel that the developmentally challenged are just a punchline?
Are we talking about Tiny and D2, or all the developmentally challenged?
Is this a joke?
WP is ultraconservative? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Um, yes, that would be the same Washington Post that just did an article on labor and couldn’t be bothered including a voice from labor.
Today’s [Sunday's] Washington Post article about the Employee Free Choice Act notes “the widespread perception in Democrat-dominated Washington that there is not a level playing field between labor and business.”
As if to prove the accuracy of that perception, the Post manages to devote nearly 1,000 words to the Act without ever once quoting or paraphrasing a representative of the labor movement. The Post did, however, manage to quote three CEOs and devote several paragraphs to anti-labor views ….
Just another example of how far to the extreme right 6DJ is. If it’s not World Net Daily, it’s not right-wing?
Downtown Danno,
When, you’re out disregarding traffic laws while pedaling your bike in your spandex wear on your way to your “they are different because they are not us” group think session with Carbon Al and Krugman as the main speakers, Do you stop for a potty break and masturbate so as not to soil yourself as you bow to kiss the pinky wring of your gods?
“Um, yes, that would be the same Washington Post that just did an article on labor and couldn’t be bothered including a voice from labor.”
Founded in 1877, this one article clearly deomonstrates just how conservative the WP really is……..
After said meeting, Danno, do you and your butt buddies have a group rumpranger festival that climaxes into sounds reminisent of the primate mob scene in the movie “Planet of the Apes” (when they 1st captured Charlton Heston.)?
“The government destabilized our economy?”
What is it about CNC and the other partisans that they only want to look at one piece of the puzzle? Why is that?
When, you’re out disregarding traffic laws while pedaling your bike in your spandex wear on your way to your
Once we complete our building’s energy efficiency upgrades we’re expecting to save more than $350,000 a year in utilities expenses (our project payback is less than 2 years). Though our savings are higher than normal (due in part to the age of our building’s systems) I can list a half dozen other buildings in the area that are also jumping onto this “group think” energy savings bandwagon. Yeah, we’re all CRAZY.
Pardon us for laughing at you as you genuflect to the oil companies.
“What is it about CNC and the other partisans that they only want to look at one piece of the puzzle? Why is that? ”
It fuels their convictions and gives them meaning .. like chimps needing purpose.
Understanding the issue is irrelevant and difficult. Whining and screaming ideological rhetoric is easy.
Haven’t you noticed that ALL partisans want someone else to bear the responsibility while they enjoy the fruits?
Just me, but it’s becoming more and more clear that both sides of extremism really don’t like personal responsibility .. not even a little.
“Just me, but it’s becoming more and more clear that both sides of extremism really don’t like personal responsibility .. not even a little.”
Yeah, but they looooooove those bumper stickers dont they?
“Yeah, but they looooooove those bumper stickers dont they? ”
No doubt .. no doubt at all!
GO lonoscopy wrote: After said meeting, Danno, do you and your butt buddies have a group rumpranger festival that climaxes into sounds reminisent of the primate mob scene in the movie “Planet of the Apes†(when they 1st captured Charlton Heston.)?
That’s quite a little fantasy you’ve thought up…Kind of a lot of detail, you know? You like talking about rump rangers because it turns you on, doesn’t it?
You’re exhibiting classic homophobe tendencies there, tough guy. I’d bet you like dressing up too, don’t you?
Well, Cash and his “conservatives” only look at one piece of the puzzle because they are intellectually dishonest, willfully ignorant and don’t want to see the entire picture.
Seems pretty easy to figure out.
and Marketplace, what does my line have to do with the “developmentally challenged”?
“The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong, which would also mean that gay marriage is wrong”
I work for a company that specializes
in business software. I often refer to our product’s documentation as the Bible, because you can study it for thousands of years, and still won’t be able to figure out just what the fvck
it says.
Just like the Bible.
How can we put a Cap on that nasty volcano? Or at least make it “clean burningâ€
“Well, Cash and his “conservatives†only look at one piece of the puzzle because they are intellectually dishonest, willfully ignorant and don’t want to see the entire picture.”
You’re not much better Parthian.
Maybe after the flood Fargo can once again return to being a “Vanilla Cityâ€
Kind of hard to react to a flood when you have all the National Guard over in Iraq. I thought the election of 2006 was all about getting us out NOW. That’s 3 years ago. I hope the Stimulus package works faster.
Yeah, but they looooooove those bumper stickers dont they?
I have my The Current bumper sticker. Does that count?
““Well, Cash and his “conservatives†only look at one piece of the puzzle because they are intellectually dishonest, willfully ignorant and don’t want to see the entire picture.—
Yeahhhh kind of like Iraq. I guess the “big picture” was michael moores movie. All the Liberals needed to know about Iraq right there. Plus it was a nasty Republican in office.
Oh and Global Warming lets look at the “big Picture†( 4.5 Billion years) and not just the last 25 years.
Oh and bonuses. Let’s not look at how they are structured or if they are plus the base pay. No Lets just fill some buses up with RETARDS and go harass some rich people.
Oh Yeahhh the Democrats. “The Big Picture Lookersâ€
“I have my The Current bumper sticker. Does that count?”
Dan you got a “I’m Dumb” bumper sticker?
“You’re exhibiting classic homophobe tendencies there, tough guy. I’d bet you like dressing up too, don’t you?”
Uh-Oh, Sagentpencildick. looks like I struck a nerve. Did I hit a little to close to home for ya, tough guy?
“I have my The Current bumper sticker. Does that count?”
Yeah, that counts.
“and Marketplace, what does my line have to do with the “developmentally challengedâ€?”
Parth your referrence to conservatives as “Conservatards” is obvious with your little Assterick spelling.
Man you liberal yellow bellied morons throw “tard” around like its a fashion statement but if someone uses nigger or faggot you get your bloomers in a bunch.
Hypocrite!
But its fun to harass the mentally challenged because their not robbing someone or trying to stick something up their asses.
Ive got the TC sticker in the window so I guess that shows my bias to stadium taxes.
“or trying to stick something up their asses.”
You sure about that?
And every time I hear a replay of this
“Jon Stewart said, “I know you want to make finance exciting, but it’s not a f*cking game.”â€
I want to throw up.
Not a “f*cking game.” Jon? Will Jon neither was Iraq and neither is GITMO
Listen if “You People” can’t handle the criticism now that your man is in there then maybe you should remember that NEXT F*CKING TIME a Republican is in office.
“and Marketplace, what does my line have to do with the “developmentally challengedâ€?”
Serious? Go covered it pretty well in previous post.
I have my The Current bumper sticker
Every time I flip the radio to the Current, I hear one of the thousands of terrible songs they play. Granted, I haven’t listened to it in probably 2 years, but when it first came on the air, I tried it out a couple times and some of those songs sucked more than D2.
I’m talkin’ I’m talkin’
I’m talkin’ to myself more
Needle, fetal
Someone’s pouring warm gravy all over me
And you see that synthetic therapy
Don’t you know it seems to be so unappealing
But, oh what a feeling
But I wish that you would stop spitting when you’re talking to me
2×4 Blind Melon
At least Ed Gein would. Ed Gein was a very good Fellow Ya know.
Making rib cages into coffee tables
I’m just makin’ em into coffee tables
“conservat*rd”
* = u
Sheesh, talk about projection….”tard” would get through the BQ filter, so no need for an *.
ve got the TC sticker in the window so I guess that shows my bias to stadium taxes.
Commie.
Every time I flip the radio to the Current, I hear one of the thousands of terrible songs they play.
Seriously? When it first came on I could listen for a week and not hear the same song repeated. Granted their range of music genres hits some areas I’m not excited with, but it’s infinitely easier to listen to a new song I’ve never heard and don’t like than it is to listen to a song I used to like the first 12,893 times I heard it.
And that doesn’t even get into how nice it is not to listen to the same excruciating commercials every day.
If you’re online (or have a digital receiver) their HD2 channel – Wonderground Radio – can be cool, especially at night.
Nice try Parth. I dont buy it. You figure Obama can get away with it so you can too.
“Commie.”
Pro stadium tax makes me a commie?
conservaturd
“Listen if “You People†can’t handle the criticism now that your man is in there then maybe you should remember that NEXT F*CKING TIME a Republican is in office.”
Yes, yes, yes, Tiny. We know. It’s YOUR turn now to be irrational, unpatriotic, impatient, and stupid. Have at it
Parth lies like an Obama
“It’s YOUR turn now to be irrational, unpatriotic, impatient, and stupid. Have at it”
I know and its easier then I ever tought it would be, 3rd grade easy.
Parthturd
Pronunciation: \ˈpärthe-an-tərd\
Function: noun
Date: 2009
1. always lame, sometimes vulgar : a piece of fecal matter
2. usually vulgar : a contemptible person
When it first came on I could listen for a week and not hear the same song repeated.
That’s not the problem. It’s that those songs suck(or used to). I would rather listen to a good song 1000 times than 1000 different crappy songs. They had this song on about Minnesota one time. It remains the second worst song I’ve ever heard. I only heard about 40 seconds of it, and I still know exactly how it goes because it’s so freakin catchy and terrible. Sometimes it pops into my head and I have to murder baby rabbits to make me think of other things. So I don’t listen to the Current anymore. I’m trying to save the rabbits…
“You’re not much better, Parthian”
Easy to say, not so easy to demonstrate, eh deacon? Or perhaps you mean your myopic view that a conservative GOoP senator slipping a complete CDS deregulation bill that never got out of committee into a must pass, non-filibusterable, omnibus budget bill constitutes bipartisanship and support by the president because said GOoPer made a short speech on the senate floor, right?
“I thought the 2006 election was all about getting us out NOW. That’s 3 years ago.”
Well, the 2006 election was about getting us out, not exactly NOW, but sooner rather than later.
Now, as an intellectually honest person, tiny, who do you think was the main impediment to the Dems’ various 2007 attempts to enact a withdrawal schedule that would have had us out of Iraq NOW? What party passed legislation with an Iraq withdrawal schedule? Who vetoed it? Who upheld the veto?
Bushco flouted the results of a national election, flouted the will of a majority of the populace, flouted democracy–that’s the “big picture” of the past 3 years.
If you want to argue who was the driving force behind the current Status of Forces Agreement for withdrawing all the troops from Iraq by Dec 2011, we can discuss that, too. Hint: He’s now the president.
““conservat*rdâ€
* = u”
B as in B, S………….
Conservaturd-
The act of Parth trying to squeeze one out around his gerbil.
Not to be confused with liberalturd-
The act of parth flushing out his gerbil so his buddy can borrow him for a night on the town.
ah, all these years thinking conservaturd would clog the filter!
Thanks, CO lonboy! Another impressive demonstration of your adventurous risk-taking!
“Dems’ various 2007 attempts to enact a withdrawal schedule that would have had us out of Iraq NOW?”
Out of Iraq, into Darfur for humanitarian reasons, back into Iraq for humanitarian reasons.
Parth,
Obama said 16 monthe and we’ll be out of Iraq. Thats mid 2010 not 2011.
“Or perhaps you mean your myopic view that a conservative GOoP senator slipping a complete CDS deregulation bill that never got out of committee into a must pass, non-filibusterable, omnibus budget bill constitutes bipartisanship and support by the president because said GOoPer made a short speech on the senate floor, right?”
Did I say Bi partisan support when discussing this with you? I dont think I did. I said Clinton knew about and supported the deregulation. And it wasnt a secret when you consider he announced to his congressional cohorts that he was adding it. People knew it was there. If they felt so strongly against deregulation they should have voted it down or Clinton should have vetoed it. But my whole point all along has not been that it was a fully bi partisan ACT. My point has been that Clinton and Gramm worked on, lobbied for and new about the bill. It was a Clinton Gramm affair but all I hear from the progressives in the room is Gramm’s name. Thats a bias that needs to be pointed out. So stop acting like you see the big picture when its clear you ignore principal facts.
“3rd grade easy”
Ya, that’s about when I learned that turnabout is fair play. Only difference I see is your guys on this blog have been after O since Day 1. W got a little more time to show his stuff before the invective really started to fly.
“Now, as an intellectually honest person, tiny, who do you think was the main impediment to the Dems’ various 2007 attempts to enact a withdrawal schedule that would have had us out of Iraq NOW? What party passed legislation with an Iraq withdrawal schedule? Who vetoed it? Who upheld the veto?”
“What party passed legislation with an Iraq withdrawal schedule?”
Must of been some Dems voting to stay by my math brother. So lets be Intellectually honest. And leaving 50,000 troops is NOT OUT it’s the 100 year strategy. Kind of like the fundamentals of the economy. All of a sudden now they are strong when before that comment produced laughs.
“W got a little more time to show his stuff before the invective really started to fly.”
Baloney
“Obama said 16 monthe and we’ll be out of Iraq. Thats mid 2010 not 2011â€
Out or Pull out doesn’t mean leaving 50,000 troops in. That’s still In baby.
From September 2006
AMY GOODMAN: Keith Ellison, are you for immediate withdrawal of the U.S. troops from Iraq?
KEITH ELLISON: Yes.
Doesn’t “immediate” kinda mean “now”? Wanna try again Parth?
You can find similar campaign promises for klobuchar and others from fall of ’06.
“Baloney”
C’mon Tiny. You can do better than that.
Well, you’re right, 2011 isn’t 16 months, and Obama is keeping 50,000 troops in Iraq longer than he campaigned on.
In my view, it’s not a material enough modification to get too upset about, especially as the Iraqis seem to be on board with it. They negotiated the terms of the SOFA and want to stick with it. And if they want the troops out sooner, we’ll certainly comply. Our Imperial Occupation now has an absolute end date—that’s pretty good.
But this should be an issue just for those on the Left, not the Right, who bitterly opposed ALL withdrawal schedules, and withdrawal generally. So why do you care?
Parth when your wife says she wants you to Pull Out and Pull out Now. Does she mean you should keep part of weenie in?
Uh-Oh, Sagentpencildick. looks like I struck a nerve. Did I hit a little to close to home for ya, tough guy?
Yeah, we went through this before with another gay basher who doesn’t post anymore.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being gay.
In fact, I’ve learned that “being gay” has no more affect on whether or not someone is “a man” than eye color. For example, most gay men I know are a lot tougher than you GO, know why? Because they have the nerve to live openly as a gay person. That takes brass balls –more than you have.
You’re just some dork who can’t think of a better insult than questioning someone’s sexuality. Is that what being “a man” is about to you? I feel sorry for you.
So — thank you for calling me gay. Based on the character of the gay people I know, I accept that as a great compliment.
FROM THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS
June 21, 2000
LS-722
TREASURY SECRETARY LAWRENCE H. SUMMERS
TESTIMONY BEFORE THE JOINT SENATE COMMITTEES ON AGRICULTURE, NUTRITION, AND FORESTRY AND
BANKING, HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/ls722.htm
The over-the-counter derivatives market is an important component of the American capital markets and a powerful symbol of the kind of innovation and technology that has made the American financial system as strong as it is today. Operating within a proper and appropriate framework of legal certainty, we believe that the benefits to the U.S. economy of OTC derivatives would continue to grow. For example:
By helping businesses and financial institutions to hedge their risks more efficiently, derivatives enable them to pass on the benefits of lower costs to American consumers and businesses.
By allowing for the transfer of unwanted risk, derivatives can promote more efficient allocation of capital across the economy, increasing productivity.
By providing better pricing information, derivatives can help promote greater liquidity and efficiency in the underlying cash markets.
Finally, by enabling more sophisticated management of assets, including mortgages, consumer l0@ns, and corporate debt, derivatives can help lower mortgage payments, insurance premiums, and other financing costs for American consumers and businesses.”
Dont tell me Clinton didnt know what was going on when his own Tresury secretary was testifying about the act before congress 6 MONTHS before it passed. Explain this one away Parth. Dan? Any comments?
”
II. The Commodity Futures Modernization Act
Mr. Chairman, in light of the Working Group’s recommendations, we generally support this bill and are committed to working with these Committees and the Congress to facilitate the enactment of this important legislation.
Moreover, we believe it is important to move forward with appropriate legislation as soon as possible. In the absence of an updated legal and regulatory environment, needless systemic risk might jeopardize the broader vitality of the American capital markets. We also risk an erosion of competitiveness of American financial markets, with an increasing amount of business moving offshore to jurisdictions where the framework has kept up with the pace of change.
In that regard, we believe that this bill incorporates the recommendations of the Working Group with respect to OTC derivatives which, if enacted, would promote greater legal certainty for these instruments and help to advance all of the Working Group’s objectives with respect to these instruments.”
“keep part of the weenie in”
That’s pretty funny, tiny.
I guess we can say you at least understand the “we fvcked Iraq” viewpoint! But you have to take into account the SOFA which was finally adopted—that has a Dec 2011 total withdrawal specified.
Marktplace–The Dems did not run on a stated withdrawal date in 2006, the party encouraged individual Dems to each make their own arguments.
Dean and Hoyer were for a get out more slowly approach, which is the timeline the legislation ultimately adopted. “Immediate” withdrawal was not a widely popular position and no “plan” was quicker than 6 months, as I recall.
You’re just some dork who can’t think of a better insult than questioning someone’s sexuality.
Actually it’s a form of cruising when someone hasn’t come out of the closet yet. They let their fantasies slip out too easily, and in GO’s case, too vividly.
http://financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2009/0318.html
“As Treasury Secretary in 1999 Summers played a decisive role in pushing through the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act of 1933 that was instituted to guard against just the kind of banking abuses taxpayers now are having to bail out. Not only Glass-Steagall repeal. In 2000 Summers backed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act that incredibly mandated that financial derivatives, including in energy, could be traded between financial institutions completely without government oversight, ‘Over-the-Counter’ as in where the taxpayer is now being dragged. Credit default Swaps, at the center of the current storm, would not have been possible without Larry Summers and the Commodity Modernization Act of 2000. He is now the White House Economic Council chairman, mandated to find a solution to the crisis he helped make along with Tim Geithner, his friend who is Treasury chief. Foxes should never be asked to guard the henhouse.”
I don’t put a lot of faith in editorials DB…neither should you.
Explain this one away Parth. Dan? Any comments?
I always thought Summers was a terrible choice. And now you confirmed my suspicions. Not surprised to learn he was in this up to his elbows (maybe Obama was thinking it takes a thief to understand security?).
I also think the whole CDS/CFMA was poorly explained (and even more poorly understood), but Clinton wanted to be bipartisan and work across the isle. Didn’t turn out so well.
Howard Dean, June 2007-
“It’s time to end the war, not escalate it.”
And Hoyer is an awful example as illustrated by-
-Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
Parth, seriously, where do you get your information? Wherever it is, it’s time to change sources.
“but Clinton wanted to be bipartisan and work across the isle.”
what is wrong with you dan?
Republicans controled the House HE HAD NO CHOICE.
Man the way you guys see things as of Jan 21 of this year is rather remarkable. Making sh^t up and reverting to this fairyland Clinton Bull Sh^t.
http://financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2009/0318.html
“. A US law banning OTC derivatives and moving them to regulated exchanges would end a colossal ‘shadow banking’ fraud. Banks would not lose much more than already, but the world financial system would get back to ‘normal.’ OTC derivatives are unregulated precisely to hide risk and enable fraud by the banks. It is past time to end that. There is where the US Treasury and other Governments must focus, not on meaningless ‘transparency’ calls or trading bonus ‘justice.’”
“I don’t put a lot of faith in editorials DB…neither should you.”
You never know about editorials. Their worth depends on lotsa factors-point of view, grounding in fact, expertise of the author, etc.
I personally like this on from Deacon. Did you read it, Sarge?
Thank you Dan.
Clinton wanted to be bipartisan and work across the isle. Didn’t turn out so well.
Say what you will about him, he’s a brilliant political strategist. He was protecting his right flank – something he learned to do early on in his presidency…Triangulation – the signature Clinton move.
Personally, I don’t give a fcuk who’s responsible anymore. This is like arguing whether King Harold got an arrow in the right or left eye. The point is moot — completely.
I just want them to fix it asap.
Howard Dean, June 2007-
“It’s time to end the war, not escalate it.â€
I think you got the comma placement wrong on his quote. It was actually, “It’s time to end the war not, escalate it.”
“I think you got the comma placement wrong on his quote. It was actually, “It’s time to end the war not, escalate it.â€
Nope, right from the article so let’s not try to re-write history and pretend that the dems message in ’06 was anything other than, end the war now.
Hey, it was a good message, a complete lie, but a good message and voters took it hook, line and sinker.
“Republicans controled the House HE HAD NO CHOICE.”
Actually, signing off on Glass-Steagall was one of the last things as President Clinton did. He certainly didn’t have to sign anything if he didn’t want to, he could have sat on it and it would have become Ws issue to decide.
But no, he signed it.
And we’re paying the price for it right now.
“I just want them to fix it asap.”
Are these the say “them” that eff everything up to begin with?
“I just want them to fix it asap.”
Are these the same “them” that eff everything up to begin with?
Nope, right from the article so let’s not try to re-write history and pretend that the dems message in ‘06 was anything other than, end the war now.
Hey, it was a good message, a complete lie, but a good message and voters took it hook, line and sinker.
Wow. Well apparently I’ve given you too much credit.
There was a town in Bulgaria in the 1800s that was saved by a clerk. The invading Turks issued an order – “Burn the town, not spare it” and the clerk writing the message moved the comma, so it would read, “But the town not, spare it.”
Deacon, did you actually read Summers testimony in the hearing? He names a number of areas of admin concern over the bill and does not state that the admin approves of it in its current form.
And his deputy Lewis Sachs states even more concerns about the bill in the House hearing of the same month.
The Admin stating it is “generally supportive” doesn’t mean they support it—you have to actually look at what they SAY.
So Clinton’s Treasury thought the bill as drafted had problems that needed to be fixed. Neither bill ever got out of committee, so the problems weren’t fixed.
Gramm knew the bill was unacceptable and that’s why it was placed in the must pass omnibus budget bill.
Marketplace, you’re another intellectually dishonest conservative, I see. Dean’s statement there is obviously in relation to the Bush escalation plan, and by then the Dems had already developed a withdrawal timeline and Dean wouldn’t have been disagreeing with it.
And no, Hoyer wasn’t too likely to vote “yes” on the Repub “Iraq terror no exit” stunt. That vote hardly indicates what Hoyer’s position was on the mechanics of withdrawal.
You’ll “argue” anything it appears.
“Personally, I don’t give a fcuk who’s responsible anymore.”
Thats because the more people look into it the more it becomes clear everyone is responsible. When it looks like you and your team isnt to blame its easy to be interested in who’s to blame.
But, I agree, lets fix it ASAP instead of trying to find ways to claw back AIG bonuses. Thank god they finally announced a bank toxic asset plan with some understandable details.
Parth, you’re a partisan idiot. Yes I read it and Summers talks about the importance of the ACT, plain and simple. He mentions how its important to inact the legislation to stay competative and to modernize the OTC market. Yes, hes says in its current form there are problems, but then again Clinton signed it didnt he as it was presented to him in Dec of 01 didnt he? So you cant keep claiming he didnt know what was going on. THATS the point.
“Marketplace, you’re another intellectually dishonest conservative, I see. Dean’s statement there is obviously in relation to the Bush escalation plan, and by then the Dems had already developed a withdrawal timeline and Dean wouldn’t have been disagreeing with it.”
Actually, and I no people will be stunned by this news, but you are incorrect, I’m not dishonest or conservative for that matter so am free of partisan lock step.
Also, we were discussing Dem campaign promises in 2006 and, you brought up Dean, who wasn’t running for anything was he?
“Parth, you’re a partisan idiot.”
No he’s not, he just has a deeper understanding of the issues and can see that dems=good, GOP=bad.
Kinda like those who believe the repubs are wholly good and the libs are evil.
Someday, after a frontal lobotomy, I can truly believe in one party too.
“yes, he says in its current form there are problems…”
Thank you, I appreciate your honesty, especially as I deal with the fog and nonsense of Marketplace.
Clinton signed the budget bill with the CFMA because he HAD TO, don’t you get that? That’s my point, not that Clinton “didn’t know” what was in the thing—he wasn’t able to veto the huge omnibus spending bill just because Phil Gramm slipped some sh*t bill into it. That’s the reality.
GRAMM abused the system, and it’s cost us all dear. And you want to place as much responsibility on Clinton as Gramm solely to “prove” your overarching viewpoint that “everybody” is (apparently equally) responsible.
Marketplace, you’re half right.
I do think that GOoP = bad, but I don’t always think that Dem = good.
You should have been around here when the Dems caved on FISA and the Military Commissions Act, and refusing to impeach Cheney and not beginning comtempt hearings against Bushco, and cowering before Bush on the funding the surge, and on the Dems equally appalling love of bloated militarism and their unconditioned support for the horrendous Israeli regime, etc, etc.
“The Admin stating it is “generally supportive†doesn’t mean they support it—you have to actually look at what they SAY.”
Fine, then lets look at what the Admin had to say then shall we?
“Let me first address the bill’s approach to OTC derivatives. This bill largely incorporates the recommendations of the Working Group with respect to OTC derivatives. We STRONGLY support such provisions. We do, however, have ONE important concern in this area.
The bill provides a broad exclusion from the securities laws for swaps, including, in particular, swaps based on securities. We are VERY MUCH supportive of the objective of removing any unnecessary regulation. Let me caution, however, that there is an important distinction between the securities laws and the commodities laws in that the securities laws do not impede legal certainty. Thus, this is not a legal certainty issue.
As a general matter, we do not believe that swaps should be regulated as securities. However, it is important to preserve prohibitions against insider trading, fraud, and manipulation and also to preserve other measures which are demonstrably necessary to protect retail customers.”
Sounds to me like the STRONGLY approved of the Bill and VERY MUCH agreed with deregulation and had ONE concern. But that ONE concern didnt stop them from signing the bill did it Parthian?
Bottom line Parthian, Bill Cliton was a deregulator. He had a reservation about swaps being regulated as a security and not a commodity. He certainly didnt let that stop him from signing the bill. But thats irrelevant from the point I was making which was that Clinton new about and worked on the CFM and wasnt unaware of its inlcussion in the budget bill passed in Dec of ’00. You cant keep claiming he was dooped and caught off guard, its simply not true. For the most part, with few exceptions, Clinton and his Admin supported deregulation including these two bills. They lobbied for them and signed them when they were passed.
“You should have been around here when the Dems caved on FISA and the Military Commissions Act, and refusing to impeach Cheney and not beginning comtempt hearings against Bushco, and cowering before Bush on the funding the surge, and on the Dems equally appalling love of bloated militarism and their unconditioned support for the horrendous Israeli regime, etc, etc.”
Wow, yeah, that is some real serious bi-partisnship thinking you’re domnstrating by citing those examples, you are a real free thinker.
“As a general matter, we do not believe that swaps should be regulated as securities.”
Well, guess what Parthian, Swaps ARENT regulated as securities. Infact they arent really regulated AT ALL. So I guess Summers and the Clinton Admin got what they wanted here. Swaps arent regulated as securities. Just ask Cox, head of the SEC.
“Neither the SEC nor any regulator has authority over the CDS market, even to require minimal disclosure,” Cox told the Senate Banking Committee today at a hearing on the government’s $700 billion financial rescue plan. Lawmakers should provide the authority “to enhance investor protection and ensure the operation of fair and orderly markets,’”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=at3nw5nsDQvU&refer=home
So what exactly was your point, that Clinton’s admin had ONE concern and that was that Swaps shouldnt be regulated as securities???? Thats exactly what they got and exactly what the problem was, not being regulated.
“and you brought up Dean who wasn’t running for anything was he?”
Yes, of course the head of the DNC wouldn’t be looked to for statements about the Dems approach to Iraq withdrawal.
There was no unified Dem position on Iraq withdrawal in 2006, that was an intentional position by party leaders. I don’t think you’ll find anyone (other than a conservative pushing some sophist point) who thought that when the Dems won the Congress in 2006 that “immediate” withdrawal from Iraq was on the horizon.
At best, what was to be “immediate” was the START of a troop withdrawal, and remember that the Iraq Study Group was working on its report and the country was awaiting that—the Dems ultimately backed the conclusions of the Study Group and its phased withdrawal, as did most of the opinion polls of the time as I remember.
So I don’t know why you’re engaged in this gameplaying–maybe some of your old TA compatriots can give me a clue.
“Clinton signed the budget bill with the CFMA because he HAD TO, don’t you get that?”
A president doesnt HAVE TO do anything. He could have let it sit and let Bush pass it in a month.
“And you want to place as much responsibility on Clinton as Gramm solely to “prove†your overarching viewpoint that “everybody†is (apparently equally) responsible.”
Did I say equally. Thats your problem Parth, you assume so you can fit people and things into neat little sub groups to fit you partisan bias of how the world and things work. My problem with Phill Gramm and these bills and people like you is you ALWAYS deny or minimize Cliton and his Admins responsibility for what happened because it furthers your GOP = The Devil theory.
The GOP is the deregulation party sure fine I get it and I agree. But Clinton and other DEMS knew, worked on and signed the ACTS making them possible. Bush would have signed them surely, so why Clinton had to sign them is beyond me. Just stop trying to avoid the truth. Call it 60% Gramm 40% Clinton if it makes you feel better. Just admit Clinton and Gramm did this together.
“So what exactly was your point, that Clinton’s admin had ONE concern and that was that Swaps shouldnt be regulated as securities???? Thats exactly what they got and exactly what the problem was, not being regulated.”
Let me be more clear. He wanted them to be deregulated and not to be treated like securities. He was however, concerned they would be vulnerable to insider trading and other types of fraud. But he must have caved along the way because in the end they were exempt from SEC regulation and Clinton signed the bill anyway. There, fixed what I ment to say.
“So — thank you for calling me gay. Based on the character of the gay people I know, I accept that as a great compliment.”
This is clarification that D2 and the Mountie have much in common .. or at least they could in the compound.
“Yes, of course the head of the DNC wouldn’t be looked to for statements about the Dems approach to Iraq withdrawal.”
Oh, right, so that’s why you brought Dean into the discussion in regards to the ’06 elections, honestly, do you realize that your posts are still here from earlier in the day?
“At best, what was to be “immediate†was the START of a troop withdrawal, and remember that the Iraq Study Group was working on its report and the country was awaiting that—the Dems ultimately backed the conclusions of the Study Group and its phased withdrawal, as did most of the opinion polls of the time as I remember.”
It sounds like your memory has failed you.
“So I don’t know why you’re engaged in this gameplaying–maybe some of your old TA compatriots can give me a clue”
Nope, no gameplaying but, ultimately, I will come up on the losing end of this discussion as I am useing facts as opposed to faulty memory and unsubstantiated claims.
“old TA compatriots”
And, this, I have no idea what you’re referencing, talk about fog.
Wow, yeah, that is some real serious bi-partisnship thinking you’re domnstrating by citing those examples, you are a real free thinker.
It’s pretty clear Cheney broke the law marketplace – there’s nothing partisan about it. Read the constitution and you’ll see exactly why Cheney is guilty.
“My problem with Phill Gramm and these bills and people like you is you ALWAYS deny or minimize Cliton.”
Great typo! Fits ol’ Bill perfectly.
HA!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Totally unintended but hilarious all the same.
“It’s pretty clear Cheney broke the law marketplace – there’s nothing partisan about it. Read the constitution and you’ll see exactly why Cheney is guilty.”
No 5hit sherlock, my point is there is nothing bi-parttisan about your thinking or posts.
“No 5hit sherlock, my point is there is nothing bi-parttisan about your thinking or posts. ”
I bet if you asked him he’d had just told you that.
Wait .. that would ruin your whole gig.
So Mark .. what do you think of these bank assets being sold off as securities?
Will it only be in large amounts? Or do you think there’ll be any drifting down in smaller chunks?
I’m just wondering how much they’ll buy them for and how much the’ll sell for… there could be some long term potentials?
I think of it this way. There is a virus going around and no one knows which securities have caught the virus. We do know everyone is suspect by association, which is why the market for CDOs is so bad. If you can be lucky enough to find the securities that arent infected, you’ll make a killing. Even after today’s big run the market is STILL way over sold.
Marketplace—try reading my last statement about Dean as sarcasm directed to your comment that Dean wasn’t running for anything and (I guess) his statements don’t count.
TA–I thought you were an old Think Again regular.
And as Greg indicates, I never claimed that my thinking is strongly “bi-partisan”. I don’t see much room to compromise with crazy, and the Rushbo Repubs are bearing this view out every day.
“Even after today’s big run the market is STILL way over sold. ”
I’d agree with that.
Optimism is good, but is it that realisitic? Do you think this will play out as expected?
I’m thinking that virus analogy is a good one .. and how do you determine if you got something that’s virus free?
Maybe the stuff will be sold off in risk categories?
There’s a thought.
No 5hit sherlock, my point is there is nothing bi-parttisan about your thinking or posts.
So I suppose that if Mark Foley tries hooking up with a minor, we should overlook that in the spirit of bipartisanship? Pffft. So much anger at BQ today.
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DB, did you hear that with all the underwriting and assistance that’s going on, investors can buy in at 6% of face value…6%! He11 if I had money, I’d bid on these like a mo fo. Even the “infected” MBS/CMO’s are potentially profitable. That’s what’s so cool about the plan – it provides a mechanism for the market to set the value.
I wonder how much profit taking will go on tomorrow? After market trades are down.
“Optimism is good, but is it that realisitic? Do you think this will play out as expected?”
No and No. It will be messy and probably not work as planned. But the govt needs to do something to address the credit freeze and this is a good start.
“I’m thinking that virus analogy is a good one .. and how do you determine if you got something that’s virus free?”
Thats the hard part. But keep in mind only 11% of mortgages are non perfroming. The virus is the diced up slices of non performing l0ans mixed in with good paper that ruins a security. However, over time if it keeps performing you know its a good one. Once real estate stabilizes people will feel more comfortable buying the assets.
“…investors can buy in at 6% of face value…6%! He11 if I had money, I’d bid on these like a mo fo.”
You might be buying at 6% for something with a face-value of half that .. that’s the issue.
Gift horse and all that.
At some point this is going to be ‘public’ in some way and I’d have to guess it’s going to have some kind of ‘grade’ applied to it.
Markeplace was not exactly a TA regular.
He only posts when his wife is not looking.
“That’s what’s so cool about the plan – it provides a mechanism for the market to set the value.”
Im a little skepitcal of the private part of this private/public partnership innitially. I dont think any private investors are going to buy in, not at prices the banks will accept anyway, until the price is set by someone, meaning the govt in good faith needs to start buying first.
That wasnt market place. That was the shadow blogger.
You know he goes and Leno then Yucks it up on 60 minutes.
“The guys out of touch.”
Playbook page 165 section 4.d.
“Hey see that swing set the kids got. Things got to run a couple grand.”
Playbook page 166 section 4.e.
Dan, Sgt you guys just throw your books out. come on join in with me.
God I love the “people helping people” stories on NBC. Can you imagine if everyday we would have had a “good news” from Iraq. Can you imagine?
Greg, you have to remember that there are actual properties behind these pooled mortgages. Think of a ridiculously overpriced piece of real estate — like my brother’s condo in Miami. He bought it for $300,000, now similar units are selling for $100,000. That’s 33% of the face of the origial mortgage.
Dudley .. see what your brother lost?
Now imagine how bad it could be ..
4 years ago in the Uptown, some condo’s were going for 350k which quite frankly were JUNK. The foundation of the building with the condo’s was substandard and NONE of the mechanicals were updated. Imagine paying 350k and having a window ac unit?
Believe me .. I get it. Some of the homes that were sold should’ve been torn down and I would NOT want to get into that pool at all (i.e., 6% stuff you’re talking about).
“4 years ago in the Uptown, some condo’s were going for 350k which quite frankly were JUNK.”
I watched one night while I was standing outside drinking a beer at an establishment across the street from an Uptown Condo Development being built as a huge rain storm poured water into a new building. The water was pouring down the staircases from the upper levels and filling the parking garage in the basement. Cant be too good for the resale value.
“Once real estate stabilizes people will feel more comfortable buying the assets.”
Do you think the dollar will still be worth anything by the time real estate stabilizes?
“You’re just some dork who can’t think of a better insult than questioning someone’s sexuality. Is that what being “a man†is about to you? I feel sorry for you.”
sarge,
I wasn’t questioning yours or anyone elses sexuality. Actually I find it weird that the anti-gay movement is concerned with what a consenting adult does with their privates.
But you seem to think that I should be attacked as anti gay because I use that as an example of what you dislike but you let Obama slide with pisshole mentally challenged jokes. Then you guys continue with R-word this and Tard-word that as insults.
get off your high horse. You’re no champion of any minority group, persecuted or not.
No, you should be attacked as anti-gay because you use it as an insult, like it’s a bad thing. You don’t agree with someone’s politics, so you accuse them of being gay or having a pencil for a pen1s. That’s what Jr. High kids do, GO. It’s funny that earlier in the day, you were on a real roll with the insults, and now you’re pretending to be this “adult” – or at least an 18 year old instead of the 12 year old. You’ve got a terrible case of AngryWhiteMale.
And Obama recognized that his comment was offensive and apologized for it – which is something that took Bush 8 years to do. And I’ve never seen you apologize for anything here. By the way, I don’t use the R-word or “tard” as an insult, so don’t project that sh1t on to me.
But go ahead and keep resorting to the ol’ “gay” insults. I’ll be waiting to point out your cowardice.
Greg and DB, I live in a fairly decent neighborhood, and there are some very nice, well-maintained homes here that are in default as well.
The Treasury isn’t stepping in to “save” properties, they’re doing it so that the mortgages get a market-determined value, which banks can choose to write off if needed; or attempt to sell if it has the possibility of being profitable. No it’s not going to save places like Detroit or the North side, but those problems existed before the housing bubble.
What are you trying to say Sgt? Are you trying to say the Bank Plan has nothing to do with real estate?
The govt wants to help create a market for these securities to get them off the books so banks will start lending again. We wont see any recovery until that sector of the economy is functioning properly again. Thats the point and part of that is connected to a real estate recovery among many other things. But, these CDO/MBSes look more attractive if the real estate market has hit a bottom dont you think?
“I live in a fairly decent neighborhood, and there are some very nice, well-maintained homes here that are in default as well.”
This is why I dont understand people trying to blame the CRA as the sole culprit here. It had as much to do with consumer debt and unsustainable consumption and social climbing as the CRA.
“It’s funny that earlier in the day, you were on a real roll with the insults, and now you’re pretending to be this “adult ”
SgtP, it was a hoot when GO accused others of being “vulgar”.
“TA–I thought you were an old Think Again regular.”
You were thinking, how’s that working out so far?
“That wasnt market place. That was the shadow blogger.”
I envision Deacon standing at the watercooler telling co-workers how he was onto the “shadow blogger” right from the beginning and tried to warn others, real cloak and dagger stuff.
I have a similar vision of M0I jerking off in front of his computer while he waits for the temp agency to send him his next assignment.
What’s the CRA? It’s silly to blame people for this anyway. Yeah, I think the CMOs will look more attractive once the real-estate market bottoms out, but don’t forget that the viability of those deals depend on home owners making their monthly P & I payments — which isn’t related to the underlying value of the property, only the viability of the mortgage holder to pay.
Not sure if you guys ever watch McLauhlin Group on PBS/Channel 2, but this weekend, they pointed out that one of the things that brought AIG down was $120 billion in insurance payouts to foreign banks (whose central gov’t/banks didn’t bail out). It ended up making Paulson millions of dollars via his previous work/portfolio from running Goldman Sachs…just a few weeks before the election. Much of the mess and market shock could have been avoided if the administration had been more forthcoming…but still, it’s too bad we didn’t privatize social security, you know?
Dora, I think “GO latency” was trying to equate the use of “tard” to his own vulgarity. There is some validity to that, but he mistakenly tried to tie me in to it. As you and other BQ orignals know, my son has cerebral palsy, and many of his buddies from PT and OT are mentally challenged, so I try not to use those words myself.
GO latency thinks that “being real” means using offensive language – and that ignoring “all the b.s.” (i.e. societal norms of behavior) has merit in itself…which I’m sure he finds thrilling; but since there’s no point behind it, it’s an empty meaningless gesture. I’m probably giving him way too much credit.
Compare his posts to Tiny’s — there’s most always a point to Tiny’s offensive remarks (even if they’re often wrong, there’s still a purpose behind it.) GO latency is just like OT, except he’s not as smart…I can’t believe I’m saying that, but it’s true.
“What’s the CRA?”
Community Reinvestment Act.
“but don’t forget that the viability of those deals depend on home owners making their monthly P & I payments — which isn’t related to the underlying value of the property, only the viability of the mortgage holder to pay.”
They are both related. If a homeowner is making their P&I payments, they arent being foreclosed on. If the foreclosures ease, the CMOs look better. You cant divide these issues up and treat them seperatly. You have to deal with them in conjunction with one another.
And the underlying value of the property is very relevant to a persons ability to pay if they are stuck in a mortgage they cant refinance out of.
“By the way, I don’t use the R-word or “tard†as an insult, so don’t project that sh1t on to me.”
OK sarge, you don’t, I understand your situation.
I apologize for that.
“Compare his posts to Tiny’s — there’s most always a point to Tiny’s offensive remarks (even if they’re often wrong, there’s still a purpose behind it.) GO latency is just like OT, except he’s not as smart…I can’t believe I’m saying that, but it’s true.”
I think I’ve just been Swivel Necked “Z” snapped.
“GO latency”
“la·tent
ADJECTIVE:
1. Psychology – Present and accessible in the unconscious mind but not consciously expressed.
2. Present or potential but not evident or active: latent talent.”
Sarge,
I like that. Mind if I use it the next time I get deleted? It would mean so much to me.
“I think I’ve just been Swivel Necked “Z†snapped. ”
Sarge, I don’t know if you’ve figured this out yet, but tiny and GO are buddies from high school. You actually just took a pretty good dig.
“the underlying value of the property is very relevant to a persons ability to pay if they are stuck in a mortgage they cant refinance out of”
I know if I were invested in a property with an ARM about to reset and it could only be sold for a third of what I owed on it, I might consider just walking away rather than trying to flow the cash to the creditor (whoever they may be). Even if destroyed my credit, it might ultimately make a whole lot more financial sense than pouring all that money into a debt with no hope of return on investment. Luckily I live in Southwest Minny so my situation isn’t so dire. Probally only lost 10% of my resale value (unless the slide continues).
Of course the tax assessor wishfully thinks it’s worth just as much as it was last year.
“I have a similar vision of M0I jerking off in front of his computer while he waits for the temp agency to send him his next assignment.”
So Deacon spends his day picturing another man masturbating……..
Not all day, just a fleeting moment.
“Not all day, just a fleeting moment.”
in the bathroom stall………
I got some Trigger Point Injection from my Old Pain Dr today at 9:30. He really nailed me right up by the base of the skull. Now the whole back of my Cranium is Numb.
So that makes me a NumbSkull.
Now would be a goodtime for one of you Dorks to say something really stupid so I can bang my head against the wall.
“So Deacon spends his day picturing another man masturbating……..â€
Every man except Wilt Chamberlain and Jesus.
Tiny, ever watch the Old Grey Whistle Test?
““Not all day, just a fleeting moment.â€
in the bathroom stall……… ”
See .. that’s not really Mark. That’s more like D2.
And to prove it, remember a couple weeks ago when D2 was saying he needed to get stronger glasses? Like he’s going blind or something?
Man . the creek that runs on our property is typically 5-7 feet wide. It’s a little over 30 ft right now and over the bridge we have.
Haven’t seen it this high before
How high’s the water, mama?
Two feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, papa?
Two feet high and risin’
We can make it to the road in a homemade boat
That’s the only thing we got left that’ll float
It’s already over all the wheat and the oats,
Two feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, mama?
Three feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, papa?
Three feet high and risin’
Well, the hives are gone,
I’ve lost my bees
The chickens are sleepin’
In the willow trees
Cow’s in water up past her knees,
Three feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, mama?
Four feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, papa?
Four feet high and risin’
Hey, come look through the window pane,
The bus is comin’, gonna take us to the train
Looks like we’ll be blessed with a little more rain,
4 feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, mama?
Five feet high and risin’
How high’s the water, papa?
Five feet high and risin’
Well, the rails are washed out north of town
We gotta head for higher ground
We can’t come back till the water comes down,
Five feet high and risin’
Well, it’s five feet high and risin’
If it keeps on rainin, levees goin to break,
If it keeps on rainin, levees goin to break,
When the levee breaks Ill have no place to stay.
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Lord, mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
“Kiffmeyer seeks voter fraud charges for Sara Jane Olson”
Go Mary Go
Now would be a goodtime for one of you Dorks to say something really stupid so I can bang my head against the wall.
I wonder why the rain this week isn’t snow? Wondering… wondering…
See god gave us Cell Phones because with the Land Line it was impossible to reach people unless they where at home.
So this being fulfilled why do Cell Phones have answering machines?
So Tiny thinks Cell Phones are Bull Sh^t, unless…..The person you are calling answers the damn thing.
I was going to try to get us a first hand report from Fargo.
“I wonder why the rain this week isn’t snow? Wondering… wondering…â€
Because my neighbor drives a SUV
“So Tiny thinks Cell Phones are Bull Sh^t, unless…..The person you are calling answers the damn thing.”
The serve the important function of allowing ordinary people to be complete ass holes.
Duh…. ‘Cause its the end of march? Certainly you’re not implying that before thre industrial revolution and global warming it always snowed in March and never rained are you?
Now would be a goodtime for one of you Dorks to say something really stupid so I can bang my head against the wall.
We need to open the southern borders completely, so the Mexican cartels won’t get mad at us.
Tiny .. he’s getting laid .. or something.
Between sandbags .. or in the sand.
Certainly you’re not implying that before thre industrial revolution and global warming it always snowed in March and never rained are you?
Well, that was before the boy’s basketball tournaments, bright guy. I’m pretty sure there’s a direct link between the boy’s basketball tournaments and our “normal” March snowstorms. Well, now it’s coming down as rain. Must be some serious forces at work to override the basketball tourney’s effects on the weather.
We’re all DOOMED!
“Tiny .. he’s getting laid .. or something.”
Well if he’s anything like his old man he’s using those Big Jumbo Condoms.
I think his house is like a mile from the river so I assume he’s got his @ss out there helping.
Ahhhh yes the famous boys basketball snow storms. Do you have empirical evidence that shows it never rained during the tournament?
http://climate.umn.edu/doc/journal/tournament2009.htm
“From 1913-2008
9 years out of 96 had 4 inches or more of snow over “tourney time” (travel day plus the days of the tournament) This means that 9.4% of the tournaments had a “tournament snowstorm.”
In addition, the chances of having a balmy day of at least 50 was looked at. Here are the results:
39 years out of 96 had at least one temperature of 50 or greater during “tourney time.” This means that there is a 41% chance of seeing a 50 degree or warmer temperature during the tournament. We’ve been four times as likely to see 50 degrees rather than 4 inches or more of snow during the tournament!”
I dont study climate like you do so I dont know if this site is a good one or not but this info is interesting.
9 years out of 96 had 4 inches or more of snow over “tourney timeâ€
gasp! I’m now forced to question everything I know.
This means that there is a 41% chance of seeing a 50 degree or warmer temperature during the tournament. We’ve been four times as likely to see 50 degrees rather than 4 inches or more of snow during the tournament!â€
Global warming is obviously out of control.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hundreds of federal agents, along with high-tech surveillance gear and drug-sniffing dogs, are headed to the Southwest to help Mexico fight drug cartels and keep violence from spilling across the U.S.-Mexico border, Obama administration officials said Tuesday.
Any minute now, we should be seeing D2 praising the Obama admin for doing something about border security.
I’ll begin hold my breat right…………now.
“Well if he’s anything like his old man he’s using those Big Jumbo Condoms.”
So he goes for girls that he can climb into?
“Any minute now, we should be seeing D2 praising the Obama admin for doing something about border security.
I’ll begin hold my breat right…………now.”
You shouldn’t do that .. they’re the wrong color ..
uniforms .. or something.
Im not sure exactly how capital gains inside a hedge fund are distributed to the owners but I know in a mutual fund, if the fund manager sells an asset inside the fund and gets a capital gain, even if you dont cash in any shares yourself, you get a 1099 for your portion of the gain inside the fund.
How is it that no one ever wondered why they didnt get any 1099′s from Bernie Madoff?
I watched what I beleive to be the worst movie of the year last night. Maybe the worst movie ever or at the very leats a contender for the title.
“Australia”
Sucky.
If I may use that word without being called a homophobe.
“How is it that no one ever wondered why they didnt get any 1099’s from Bernie Madoff? ”
Me thinks BM was moving things in green .. .JUST green.
Which makes another interesting point ..
Why weren’t all these ‘investors’ screaming earlier?
“Any minute now, we should be seeing D2 praising the Obama admin for doing something about border security.”
It’s not surprising that Obama will try to give us a false sense of security with sparse common sense conservative approaches to problems, but this is only so he can pull off his radical Soci@list agenda easier.
A couple of weeks ago, I attended a lecture given by a solar astronomer who was, somewhat suprisingly, quite critical of the senator’s “research”; the reason being that it failed to adequately discuss how the sun, and geologic activity play a role in affecting the Earth’s climate.
Why weren’t all these ‘investors’ screaming earlier?
16.5% returns on their money.
the reason being that it failed to adequately discuss how the sun, and geologic activity play a role in affecting the Earth’s climate.
The Sun’s role (aka Solar forcing) is a regular and predictable factor because it follows a consistent cycle. And in every serious study I’ve followed they’ve made accounts for volcanic activity because they can, and do, have significant effects on the Earth’s climate. But they’re still minor players in the overall scheme of what’s happening and why.
I’ll begin hold my breat right…………now.
Vomit just died…
It’s not surprising that Obama will try to give us a false sense of security with sparse common sense conservative approaches to problems, but this is only so he can pull off his radical Soci@list agenda easier.
You know D2, it’s ok to give some credit to Democrats. You may disagree with them in almost every way, but sometimes it would be nice to hear you say, “Yeah, that’s a good thing he did.”
I won’t make Vomit’s mistake and start holding my breath…
So, Mark, Tiny, what do you guys think about the Twins thus far? How far do you see them going this year?
“Vomit just died…”
Nope.
Sorry about the typo. I was trying to say,
I’ll begin hold my right breast…… now.
“You know D2, it’s ok to give some credit to Democrats.”
I have DJ! I’ve complemented guys like Joe Leiberman and Colin Peterson while going after Republicans who vote for tax increases and amnesty for illegal aliens.
I have DJ!
I’ll believe it when I see it. You managed to criticize Obama for doing exactly what you think should happen(sending more people to protect our borders), so please excuse my skepticism…
I’ll begin hold my right breast…… now.
OOOhhhhh… That makes more sense. Glad you’re still with us…
Did you guys know Obama called the astronauts?
“You know D2, it’s ok to give some credit to Democrats. You may disagree with them in almost every way, but sometimes it would be nice to hear you say, “Yeah, that’s a good thing he did.—
That would be common sense … something he claims to know much about but won’t practice it.
In short, the D2 version of common sense is a figment of his extremist imagination.
And ..
he’s a closet homosexual.
“Australia”
Australia !!!!!!!
YOU’RE GAY
DJ .. he did slam Peterson while attempting to give him a complement.
For him, that’s about as close as you’ll get.
Besides, would he really know if anyone was doing something good? He’s a trained chimp … all he knows is that he gets bananas if he does what he’s supposed to.
For him, that’s about as close as you’ll get.
Hmmm… more than I’d expect…
“Australia !!!!!!!
YOU’RE GAY ”
No .. we’re in loving heterosexual relationships and make sacrifices for our wives.
Just wait .. you’re going to have to do it for Roosevelt .. just wait mister .. just wait.
Or that hot neighbor lady with the birkenstocks and not enough razors .. you just wait ..
and then you’ll be declaring the righteousness of ..
granola.
Here’s another move by Democrats that
should merit praise by D2 and
CNC.
Not everyone likes it, but the above mentioned two should be squealing with delight.
WASHINGTON — Sixty-five House Democrats said Wednesday that they would oppose any attempt by the Obama administration to revive a ban on military-style weapons that President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1994 and President George W. Bush let expire.
The pro-gun Democrats, led by Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., wrote Attorney General Eric Holder that they would “actively oppose any effort to reinstate the 1994 ban, or to pass any similar law.”
“Here’s another move by Democrats that
should merit praise by D2 and
CNC.”
Until they find out there will be a psycological evaluation required .. then they’ll go balistic.
Banana peels and fecal matter flying all over the compound …
“No .. we’re in loving heterosexual relationships and make sacrifices for our wives.”
I’m not watching that movie. Tinys in his late forties now. If she says “no Action if I don’t watch this movie buddy”. Then I guess Tiny gets no “action”
YOU’RE GAY
“I’m not watching that movie. Tinys in his late forties now. If she says “no Action if I don’t watch this movie buddyâ€. Then I guess Tiny gets no “action—
Uh huh .. you betcha.
HAAA!!!!
Greg,
You remind me of liberal democrat Barney Frank with your rediculous name calling. Barney just called Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia a “homophobe”. Why is this looney leftist still in office and allowed pass bad legislation? I think he should be in put jail for his role in the Fannie Mae mess.
Greg You can come over here and hit me in the back of the head with an aluminum baseball bat and I’d be one like one of those Meth guys and just whale around and using my Kung Fu skills kick your @ss. Neither your mullet or a tie dye tee shirt would Stop me.
“You remind me of liberal democrat Barney Frank with your rediculous name calling. ”
1. You really are enamooured with Mr. Frank aren’t you. Is it true he turned you down?
2. It’s not rediculous name calling, it’s as valid as the statements you make. I’m just keeping it all even.
“Neither your mullet or a tie dye tee shirt would Stop me.”
Funny, that’s how I pictured Greg mayself…..
“Greg You can come over here and hit me in the back of the head with an aluminum baseball bat and I’d be one like one of those Meth guys and just whale around and using my Kung Fu skills kick your @ss. Neither your mullet or a tie dye tee shirt would Stop me.”
So if I find someone to come over to your place to watch Australia and you do it then I get to hit you in the back of the head with an aluminum baseball bat?
I don’t wanna hit you with an aluminum baseball bat .. I’d just want pictures. That’s all ..
D2 .. I’d really prefer you not think about me.
Seriously .. please don’t.
I’m gonna puke ..
“I don’t wanna hit you with an aluminum baseball bat”
Greg would use something similar but much smaller.
“Greg would use something similar but much smaller.”
D2 is offering his assistance …
you wanna slap Tiny ..
with your prosthetic?
Did he just say “Inexcusesful”?
I’m pretty sure he said “Greed is “Inexcusesful—
“Nobody knows what going to happen 5-10 years down the road”
I though that was why we elected this guy because the other guy was a dumb@ss and didn’t do any planning?
Now he’s is tellin’ me he doesn’t know what his policies are going to produce the down the road.
Come on!
garbage states: “Here’s another move by Democrats that should merit praise by D2 and CNC.”
Are we the only two that support the bill of rights? That is pretty weak, even for a lib. Keep working on the insults and stay away from logic. The conservatives seem to have the corner on that market on this blog.
… and stay away from logic. The conservatives seem to have the corner on that market on this blog.
Says a visitor from Bizarro World.
“Are we the only two that support the bill of rights?”
You two have your own definition and translation of the Bill of Rights. The majority of contributors on this blog would agree.
” That is pretty weak, even for a lib. Keep working on the insults and stay away from logic. The conservatives seem to have the corner on that market on this blog.”
Neither of you have yet to show me where you’ve exercised logic. You have shown me on numerous occasions that you’re trained chimps spewing out rhetoric according to the subject matter .. at least most of the time it applies.
Logic? Seriously? You’re going to apply logic to your responses and stances?
Look at your lovers website .. do you think a first time victim to that site would consider that logical?
D2SI responded to : “You know D2, it’s ok to give some credit to Democrats.â€
‘I have DJ! I’ve complemented guys like Joe Leiberman and Colin Peterson while going after Republicans who vote for tax increases and amnesty for illegal aliens.’
Don’t forget about Zell Miller D2SI. I remember you saying some nice things about him too.
God bless Zell Miller!
My Greg, you really should increase your dietary fiber.
Maybe you are just upset at the latest presidential ratings from Zogby and Rasmussen. How is Obamaconomics doing again?
The role of monetary policy in causing this financial crisis is very straightforward. Then you add the government programs that promote sub-prime mortgages. Finally, you add the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in flooding the marketplace with mortgage-backed securities. What do you get? The financial mess we are in today.
On the other hand there are no signs of causation from deregulation to this financial crisis.
“You have shown me on numerous occasions that you’re trained chimps spewing out rhetoric according to the subject matter”
Are they the Face Mauling Chimp breed.
I ask because I learnt on this lame ass blog that it is racist to characterize someone as a Face Mauling Chimp.
No, wait. I’m wrong, I think. It is racist to characterize a black person in a cartoon as a face mauling chimp even though he really wasn’t the target of said characterization.
I’m kinda disappointed in Obamas press conference tonight.
Not one Mentally Challenged Joke. He must be running out of material. Maybe Franken can help him out. Maybe write a few jokes for him, throw in some p0rn0graphic sex:st stuff too.
Becareful on this blog. There is no room to be speaking derogatorily of pencils. Some Dick might get offended.
Home, Home on the Big Q
Where seldom is heard
a disparaging word
about pencils all day
My 4-year-old nephew. Very honest.
Elijah: “Mom, can I play Lego Star Wars?”
Mom: “Go ask your dad.”
….
a little later
…
Elijah: “Mom, he’s not saying anything.”
Mom: “Did you ask him nicely? Or were you whining?”
Elijah: “I was whining.”
“So, Mark, Tiny, what do you guys think about the Twins thus far? How far do you see them going this year?”
Here’s what Id like to see.
1. Span RF
2. Casilla 2B
3. Mauer C
4. Morneau 1B
5. Crede 3B
6. Kubel DH
7. Young LF
8. Punto SS
9. Gomez CF
Cuddyer stinks, trade him. How long are we gonna wait for this guy to produce. He had ONE season. ONE.
I like the chances if mauer is playing to win the division not for his bat though. He is a good hitter but his real value is in managing the staff. What he did with the staff was remarkable.
Mauer managed the staff?
I want to see what Cuddy can do. He keeps getting hurt so I’m willing to give him a chance. Plus, his trade value is really low right now.
I like your line-up except I would probably have Kubel bat before Crede. He’s killing it this spring. Getting kind of worried about Span’s terrible spring. It’s getting to that point where he should be batting better.
Can we use Slowey as our DH? Good game today.
“Mauer managed the staff?”
Did you ever pitch as a player? The catcher manages a staff. The relationship between a pitcher and a catcher is important. What pitches do your pitchers have, when can they throw them, in what count? Can you get outs out of your pitcher wheen he doesnt have his best stuff? A catcher calls the game NOT the pitcher. Gardy doesnt call the game either. Mauer should have won the MVP. Not only did he wint eh batting title, he took a staff with three rookie pitchers witha combined 60(?) starts in the majors and almost won the division. No other catcher in the majors could do that.
“He keeps getting hurt so I’m willing to give him a chance.”
He’s not a rookie. He had a shot. Young is the future.
“I like your line-up except I would probably have Kubel bat before Crede.”
I hear what you’re saying but thats too many lefties in a row. Gotta have a left right left in there. Keeps them from bringing in a lefty reliever in the late innings.
“Getting kind of worried about Span’s terrible spring. It’s getting to that point where he should be batting better.”
Not yet. Give it time. If he isnt hitting by mid May, then worry. Then wait. By June and still nothing? Then yank him.
Mauer is the Crash Davis of this Nuke Lalouche pitching staff.
I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the tax deal on Rich People giving charitable contributions. I’m not sure what the motivation is. I don’t see where it does any good and seems like a childish punishment that in the end hurts the wrong people.
And a few times I heard Obama reassure me that I don’t need to worry about Rich People they’ll be okay. I’m not sure what that means either.
“President Barack Obama’s proposed budget calls for a cap on the mortgage tax deduction for couples earning $208,850 or more.”
And this one I really don’t get. Those are the same people that we need to buy some of these empty houses.
I understand its only been 60 days but its not the number of days its the number of ideas. And I don’t get a lot of them.
And more thing.
You got ACORN spending MY MONEY filling buses to go to houses of people who are stealing MY MONEY and me……..
I’m bent over holding my knees not having as much fun as either of these people are.
What a great country, ah?
“You got ACORN spending MY MONEY filling buses to go to houses of people who are stealing MY MONEY and me……..”
Huh?
Huh?
Greg it has been in the news. But only for a about week.
“Are we the only two that support the bill of rights? That is pretty weak, even for a lib. Keep working on the insults and stay away from logic.”
My definition of logical would be two staunch conservatives recognizing that a substantial number of Democrats support the same, and let’s be honest here, portions of the bill of rights that you guys claim to support.
Especially the ones that conservatives claim are their values.
I’m not sure where the insult is in
Here’s another move by Democrats that should merit praise by D2 and CNC. Were I trying to insult I would have said something like Here’s another move by Democrats that should merit praise by those wankers, D2 and CNC.
See the difference?
GO latency wrote: Sucky.
If I may use that word without being called a homophobe.
You may use that word, but you are still a homophobe (i.e. latent homosexual).
Nice try vomit — that acutally makes me not feel so bad…you getting suckered in to thinking that you can reason with those morons.
“You may use that word, but you are still a homophobe (i.e. latent homosexual).”
HA! sarge you crack me up! Using homosexuality as an insult. Good one!!
Better latent than blatant. HA!
Can a person be a Wealthyophobe or a Richophobe ?
No I’m actually using your latency as an insult. It means that you’re too much of a coward to come out of the closet — that’s why you hate the ones who are brave enough to live “out”, and you mock their lifestyle…a lifestyle you yourself find appealing deep down, but you deny your inner desire — and you’ve been doing it for so long, you don’t even realize it anymore.
That takes a lot of energy, which turns to anger, so you lash out at the very people you wish to be like. It’s natural and happens to most people at some point in their lives.
But that’s okay you didn’t get it – it’s kind of complicated.
“Can a person be a Wealthyophobe or a Richophobe?”
http://www.phobialist.com/reverse.html#W-
Fear of Wealth – Plutophobia.
It’s my dream to meet a rich one. I can help him.
Fear of wet dreams- Oneirogmophobia.
What’s there to fear?
Drowning?
“It means that you’re too much of a coward to come out of the closet”
Wowie Sarge,
Thats two posts using homosexuality as an insult today.
Shazam!! Shame! shame! shame!
But that’s okay you don’t get it – But it’s not that complicated.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — If HOPE for Homeowners, the foreclosure-prevention plan passed last summer, was a soft drink, it would be New Coke. If it was an automobile, it would be an Edsel. A movie? Howard the Duck.
In the five months since it has been in effect, HOPE has helped exactly one homeowner to avoid foreclosure. This despite Congress having made $300 billion available to back these lo a ns and estimating that the program would benefit as many as 400,000 families.
“As it stands now, we’ve only gotten 752 applications,” said Federal Housing Authority spokesman Brian Sullivan. “And only insured one l o an. Needless to say, the program isn’t working terribly well.”
Did we get those AIG bonuses back yet?
“That takes a lot of energy, which turns to anger, so you lash out at the very people you wish to be like. It’s natural and happens to most people at some point in their lives.”
Just like you and Drudge.
“No I’m actually using your latency as an insult. It means that you’re too much of a coward to come out of the closet — that’s why you hate the ones who are brave enough to live “outâ€, and you mock their lifestyle…a lifestyle you yourself find appealing deep down, but you deny your inner desire — and you’ve been doing it for so long, you don’t even realize it anymore.
That takes a lot of energy, which turns to anger, so you lash out at the very people you wish to be like. It’s natural and happens to most people at some point in their lives.”
Sounds like Sgt really wants to be a member of the GOP. If this theory he has here holds any water, all his anger towards the conservatives is a dead give away. And Parth, my god, he must secretly wish he was Rush.
CNC says:
“The role of monetary policy in causing this financial crisis is very straightforward. Then you add the government programs that promote sub-prime mortgages. Finally, you add the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in flooding the marketplace with mortgage-backed securities. What do you get? The financial mess we are in today.
On the other hand there are no signs of causation from deregulation to this financial crisis.”
Let’s look at this one sentence at a time. The first sentence means-what? It can mean anything. Zero value. Sentences two and three are-in a word-wrong. From where I sit, I’d say mortgage brokers are far more to blame for promoting sub-prime leading than any “government programs”. Which gov’t programs do you refer to?
And your Fannie and Freddie remark merely demonstrates your ignorance in what those two entities actually do.
Your last sentence is priceless-you appear to be imitating George Will. Actually, I think you can find plenty of folks who would agree that deregulation has played a very large part in the financial crisis we are in right now. Gramm-Steagall comes to mind…
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, you’re funny when you’re talking out of the side of your neck, CNC.
Logic is one thing, reason another. They do not necessarily go hand in hand.
If any of you are interested, this link presents a relatively simple and apolitical explaination of what happened in the credit markets:
On the subject of Drudge, MediaMatters.org is reporting the following,
Internet gossip Matt Drudge posted the headline “Being Boring” below a picture of Obama on his website. Drudge’s headline initially did not link to an analysis by Drudge or to any articles but instead linked back to the Drudge Report homepage. After the press conference ended, Fox News hosts Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity echoed Drudge, with O’Reilly calling Obama’s performance “dull and repetitive,” and Hannity calling it “boring and dull and uninspiring and unconvincing.”
A March 24 New York Times article, a March 25 Los Angeles Times blog post, and a March 25 New York Daily News article also echoed this theme.
I made the suggestion that if anyone feels really angry over the media calling a news conference on economics boring, it was an indicator of toxic levels of anger.
They censored my comment. Mediamatters makes dare2sayit.com seem pretty healthy in comparison.
Thats two posts using homosexuality as an insult today.
Now I’m beginning to believe you and Tiny went to the same high school – your reading comprehension sucks.
DB wrote: Sounds like Sgt really wants to be a member of the GOP. If this theory he has here holds any water…
It’s not a theory DB. It’s been a widely accepted concept in psychology for over 100 years.
“And your Fannie and Freddie remark merely demonstrates your ignorance in what those two entities actually do.”
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages from originators that meet their criteria then package and sell them off. They also hold a hug portion of their own MBSes so Im not sure CNCs assertion that FMae and FMac flooded the market with sub prime paper. Most of those got packaged at places like GMAC, Country Wide and WaMu.
“It’s not a theory DB. It’s been a widely accepted concept in psychology for over 100 years.”
Well then get out of the closet then Sgt and be proud of your conservative values. Stop hiding them.
I dont like cheats and liars but that doesnt mean I want to be one. How far does this theory go or does it just pertain to homosexuality?
“Sounds like Sgt really wants to be a member of the GOP. If this theory he has here holds any water, all his anger towards the conservatives is a dead give away. And Parth, my god, he must secretly wish he was Rush.”
Then Deacon wishes he was JonR.
Then you secretly wish you were me M0I.
“Then Deacon wishes he was JonR.”
Then JonR wishes he was KK.
“Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac purchase mortgages from originators that meet their criteria then package and sell them off.”
Exactly. Fannie and Freddie primarily operate as a major part of the secondary market, providing funds for lenders to lend thru the packaging and sale of MBSs, not originating mortgages for lenders to fund.
“Then you secretly wish you were me M0I.”
No, remember, the game is that you bash the people you secretly want to be, sheesh, the concept wasn’t that difficult, was it?
Actually Monty I think thats what CNC was driving at, although his problem is he’s only looking at one aspect of what they do, the pooling and selling of MBSes.
“Finally, you add the role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in flooding the marketplace with mortgage-backed securities. (MBSes)”
They didnt flood the market and thats not all they do.
“No, remember, the game is that you bash the people you secretly want to be, sheesh, the concept wasn’t that difficult, was it?”
What would you call our relationship, a mutual admiration society? Eat me.
“No, remember, the game is that you bash the people you secretly want to be, sheesh, the concept wasn’t that difficult, was it?â€
Shall I call you EBF?
The catcher manages a staff
Right. After I posted I realized you were probably talking about the pitching staff… I was thinking staff staff. Gardy, Rick Anderson, Billy Smith, ect..(that’s all I can name…)
What would you call our relationship, a mutual admiration society?
Don’t forget this is the impostor MOI. Capital “O”. So maybe you don’t hate this one…
Honest to god this women is a complete and total menace to society not to mention a moron. D2 and Bachmann deserve each other.
At about the 2:20 mark she mentions China Russia and Kazakistan. Is there such a nation as Kazakistan?
And this business of badgering Geithner on where in the constitution does the treasury have this authority??? Are you fvcking sersious? Please point to the section of the constitution where Bush and LBJ had authority to start “wars” without declarations??? Oh thats right the congress granted the authority, the same as they did with this financial crisis. Tiny, honestly, you should be ashamed this women represents you AND that you voted for her out of spite.
“So maybe you don’t hate this one…”
No, the shadow blogger seams to think I consider his sarcasm to be genuine admiration.
I dont like cheats and liars but that doesnt mean I want to be one. How far does this theory go or does it just pertain to homosexuality?
Actually, that’s a great example of the difference just dislike and homophobia/latent homosexuality.
I don’t like them either, but if someone doesn’t agree with me, I don’t call them a cheat and a liar and say, “I’d bet you get together with your lying, cheating friends and have lie and cheat parties.”
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