Bachmann 6th-most chatty member of Congress
May 6th, 2009 – 1:54 PM by Kevin DiazShe’s not just a TV maven.Minnesota Republican Michele Bachmann, an outspoken conservative who appears frequently on the Fox news channel, also has been giving her colleagues in Congress an earful.
According to Capitol Words, a website that tracks the daily Congressional Record, Bachmann has been the sixth-most loquacious member of Congress over the past 60 days, registering 33,746 words in that period. That puts her one notch above Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who ranks seventh with 32,864 words.
The words most frequently uttered by Bachmann? Energy (325 times in the past year), followed by tax (236 times), and money (226 times). President Obama, one of her favorite targets, got 137 mentions, while children, one of her personal passions as a foster mother, weighed in at 105 utterances.
The website http://capitolwords.org/, doesn’t rate the quality or impact of the lawmaker’s wordsmithing. But if her official pronouncements in Congress are any measure, Bachmann has not sacrificed quantity for controversy.
In case you’re wondering, the five who placed above Bachmann over the past 60days? 1) Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.; 2) Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; 3) Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Texas; 4) Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa; 5) Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D.
512 Responses to "Bachmann 6th-most chatty member of Congress"
Super.
My father, a dedicated male chauvinist pig, had a theory on women. He believed that they needed to utter a certain amount of words each day, otherwise they would explode.
I used to think he was right, but 33,746
in 60 days only averages to 562.4 words per day.
At that paltry rate (most women I know can get that many words out in a minute)
there should be a smoldering crater where Michelle’s seat used to be.
Finally, a new topic after more than a month! Of course it is a topic extremely biased to the left and takes a shot at Michele Bachmann, the best representative Minnesota has in Washington. Would you expect anything less with such a leftist newspaper?
I don’t think it was really a shot at Bachmann. Mostly just a useless fact that she says a lot in Congress. Is that a bad thing?
I posted something for you last night on the previous blog D2. Any thoughts? I also have an e-mail you would like. Do you have an e-mail address I can forward it to?
Wow let me get a frickin’ nitro tablet. A new blog and what a wonderful subject, The Ding Dong Lady.
And wheres Debbie Wasserman Schultz Johnson Olsen Benson Wiserman on that list? Every time I turn it to CSPAN there she is…and listen her IQ is “just a bit” higher then this one here.
“(most women I know can get that many words out in a minute)”
some women I have met can get that many words with a smile.
Belinda is still hot. Well except when she’s wearing one of those Flower Pot hats.
Flower pot hats never did Devo wrong, beeaatch.
“PRINCETON, NJ — Although a majority of Americans believe the seriousness of global warming is either correctly portrayed in the news or underestimated, a record-high 41% now say it is exaggerated. This represents the highest level of public skepticism about mainstream reporting on global warming seen in more than a decade of Gallup polling on the subject.”
OOOUCH!!!! Cartoon Dan is rolling over in his compost pit.
OOOUCH!!!! Cartoon Dan is rolling over in his compost pit.
Probably not, until it’s over 55-57%.
“Bachmann 6th-most chatty member of Congress”
Hey Dan,
At least we got a drop of broth with our Ramen noodles this time.
A guy like you might see that as a trend.
Energy (325 times in the past year),
tax (236 times),
money (226 times).
President Obama, one of her favorite targets, got 137 mentions,
while children, one of her personal passions as a foster mother, weighed in at 105 utterances.
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Benchmark crude for June delivery rose 4.6 percent, or $2.50, to settle at $56.34 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was the highest close since mid-November.
Is Parthian still around??? I am wondering if it is still W getting rich off of his oil buddies that is causing this? Why, under the era of hope and change is my gas price going up, nearly 60 cents since the election?
“round out 11-15″
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“Why, under the era of hope and change is my gas price going up, nearly 60 cents since the election?”
Printing money, equals weak dollar.
You ain’t seen nothing yet!
She is a ding bat. And as far as being the best representative?
Well, if you want people to believe that everyone in the state of MN is an idiot .. then yes.
However, if you’d like everyone to believe that were somewhat intelligent, well, then she’s about the worst possible representation.
With that in mind, it’s no wonder our cross-dressing, lying extremist from Big Lake is so enamoured with her ..
Wow. New thread. Yet, same old thread.
And yes, I am definitely in the “MB is a rising star” club.
If Greg believes the beloved Dem Congress (and per Debt to the Minute website) is “sane,” with its debt increase of exactly 2.6 trillion dollarts in the last 27 months…
i.e.
100 BILLION per month! deficit and no letup in sight…….
Greg–if that is your idea of
sane
leadership
smart??????
responsible yadayadayada
I am only too proud to be in with the ilk of MB and Colin Peterson!
Anybody know when the Dem monthly budget deficit average will go under 100 billion per month?
And really, after watching our media, government, and UN/WHO science experts handle the coverage and their insights into the swine flu “outbreak,” pandemic!
H1N1 R2D2………..
why, what sane citizen wouldn’t believe their “scientific” assessments on global warming,,,,, 
)
I have heard global warming will be 10x deadlier than H1N1, so ahhhhh 10 Americans will die?
;o0
6DJ ..
Although I typically close to agreement with you however, ..
MB is … well, she’s just not very good at her job and quite adept at making herself look far from intelligent.
“And really, after watching our media, government, and UN/WHO science experts handle the coverage and their insights into the swine flu “outbreak,†pandemic!
H1N1 R2D2………..”
And really, after watching MB make her comments about H1N1 ..
yeah .. it’s a conspiracy.
Your hero?
“She is a ding bat. And as far as being the best representative?”
I wonder, wonder who, who-oo-ooh WHO
How stupid franken will make you look?
Tell me, tell me, tell me
Oh, How stupid franken will make you look?
I’ve got to know the answer
will he make you look like a Kook?
“I have heard global warming will be 10x deadlier than H1N1, so ahhhhh 10 Americans will die?”
10 americans, and 10 imported mexicans.
HA! … Good one GO.
Honestly, I don’t think he can do any worse.
“Your hero?”
Heroine. She would be a heroine. A crime fighter extrodinaire.
MB in spandex. Black skin tight spandex. No cape. Wouldn’t want to cover any portion of her up behind a cape. Rush could have a cape though.
She might say something like “Why doesn’t the Obama Administration enact energy legislation giving Minnesotans credit for thermopane window replacement to conserve heat the same way Sun Belt states get energy credits for UV coated windows to reduce A/C energy consumption? I mean it would not only boost production at Andersen and Marvin, but give banking, the building trades, real estate and the economy in general a shot in the arm. I mean if I were a real Congressional Rep that’s what I’d be dealing for.”
Couldn’t be something I said could it?
Going after MB when Dick Durban is at the top of the list is a waste of Strib talent.
Durban-
Our troops are terrorists (1,203 times)
More money for my banking constituates (869 time)
Butt sex with Barny Frank (798 times)
Nancy Porklosi and Hairy Reeed are my heros (8,923 times)
Energy (2 times)
taxes (3 times)
and money, what money? (0 times).
“I mean if I were a real Congressional Rep that’s what I’d be dealing for.â€
the same stuff Klobacher is dealing for?
“I am wondering if it is still W getting rich off of his oil buddies that is causing this?”
Read a headline somewhere in a Murdoch paper, believe it was the Evening Star that Laura was suing W for cheating her out of $13 million in a divorce settlement. Must not have been true…or, you heard it here first.
Whoa, whoa, whoa…. It’s only been slightly over a month since the last topic. I’m not sure we’re ready for this. And hoo boy, another hot topic that’s sure to get everyone all worked….
….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
“the same stuff Klobacher is dealing for?”
IF we had as many senators as Rhode Island it might be a little different.
“IF we had as many senators as Rhode Island it might be a little different.”
IF you didn’t pick your candidates from from comic books it might be a little diffewrent.
“IF we had as many senators as Rhode Island it might be a little different.”
IF you didn’t pick your candidates from from comic books it might be a little different.
“Russia tensions spike as NATO starts Georgia war games”
Now what purpose does this serve. Why don’t we have joint war games with Russia on the borders of Iran or pakistan?
“Why don’t we have joint war games with Russia on the borders of Iran or pakistan?”
Because we make more money selling arms, than actually using them.
DJ,
Sorry, I didn’t have time to look at what you posted and might not be able to get to it until next week. Been busy with work, school, and I’m heading to North Carolina for the weekend. If you have something you want to send me, try the e-mail link on my non-updated web site. Thanks.
Have a great weekend everyone!
MB in spandex. Black skin tight spandex. No cape. Wouldn’t want to cover any portion of her up behind a cape
Hey, stop this! I am losing my focus.
Actually, Adam Curry on his radio show thinks she is the hottest of the hot.
He also laughs at the needless flak she receives.
I, however, still noticed not one soul weights in on an obvious ?:
Since the Dems took Congress in 1/2007, when do they go under a 100 BILLION per month deficit?
2010?
2011?
2012?
If this is “genius,” then I guess I will pass……..
And yes, I am definitely in the “MB is a rising star†club.
And thus the modern Republican party reveals itself as wallowing in its irrelevancy.
It doesn’t get better than this.
“And thus the modern Republican party reveals itself as wallowing in its irrelevancy.”
Only to be out done by the democrats own rising star Albert Frankenberry and the endless cult worship of their messiah of president 1/2 & 1/2, Obama.
“And thus the modern Republican party reveals itself as wallowing in its irrelevancy.â€
Talk about irrelevancy, Carbon Al and his Goreists Cult of Bulbers have 41% of the american people beleiving that Globull Warming is an exagerated hoax. You would think after 10+ years of Globull Warming studies rammed down our throats the slide would be towards their religionist tax dollar money pit scheme instead of against.
Talk about irrelevancy, Carbon Al and his Goreists Cult of Bulbers have 41% of the american people
85% of which would be the Republicans.
You would think after 10+ years of Globull Warming studies rammed down our throats the slide would be towards their religionist tax dollar money pit scheme instead of against.
It’s no surprise that after 10+ years of well funded denialist faux studies rammed down our throats by the fossil fuel industry that half the population (the half that thinks Rush Limbaugh is a genius) became convinced that up is down and that any effort cut our energy costs and to slow our transfer of wealth to Arab nations is a bad thing.
And thus the modern Republican party reveals itself as wallowing in its irrelevancy.
Neither party achieves its relevance by being competent. Their relevance is accomplished by doing nothing until the other party fvcks up.
(the half that thinks Rush Limbaugh is a genius)
You have to give him some credit for making millions doing the same ranting that we’re doing here for free.
“Russia tensions spike as NATO starts Georgia war gamesâ€
Now what purpose does this serve. Why don’t we have joint war games with Russia on the borders of Iran or pakistan?
Organized and planned under the previous administration. Russia’s going through the motions to pretend like this hasn’t been discussed already with Obama’s folks, which it has. If Shakaskvili thinks we’ll go to war with Russia over Abkhazia, he’s deluding himself.
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Jim, despite disagreeing with you on Bachmann in general, I’m in full concurrance about the spandex. It’s really a shame that she’s so physically attractive and a wingnut at the same time.
“It’s no surprise that after 10+ years of well funded denialist faux studies rammed down our throats by the fossil fuel industry”
HA!!! PHONEY BALONEY!!!!!!!!
Denialist faux studies are not made into 3rd rate plagerized slide shows and force fed to our children in school.
“Notably, all of the past year’s uptick in cynicism about the seriousness of global warming coverage occurred among Americans 30 and older.”
“And thus the modern Republican party reveals itself as wallowing in its irrelevancy.”
Irrelevant you say? But they still have you paranoid dont they?
“85% of which would be the Republicans.”
Wrong!!! liar liar pants on fire
59% republicans
18% democrates
23% independents
You have to give him some credit for making millions doing the same ranting that we’re doing here for free.
I give him credit for financially destroying Clear Channel. That’s got to be worth something.
Irrelevant you say? But they still have you paranoid dont they?
Watching the slow motion train wreck that is the Republican party has been fun, but I still worry about some of their more strident followers and their violent fantasies.
Oh, no no no, Dan, don’t you get it? The GOP is just one election away from its coup de grace! They’re about to permanently destroy the Democrats.
You know your party has hit new lows of odiousness when even a rat-eyed tax-delinquent creep who makes propaganda videos for Pajamas Media wants nothing to do with you. So congratulations, Republicans, Joe the “Plumber†is dumping your a55.
Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, tells TIME he’s so outraged by GOP overspending, he’s quitting the party — and he’s the bull’s-eye of its target audience.
Fine, great! He can go be a Teabagger, or whatever, and make money sucking the ba11s of True American Patriots who demonstrate by the dozens outside of city halls in a variety of third-tier American cities.
But he also said he wouldn’t support any cuts in defense, Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid — which, along with debt payments, would put more than two-thirds of the budget off limits.
Jesus christ, even Joe the Plumber is a soc1al1st now. Somebody get him a Senate Committee chair!
– by the way – one virtual beer to whomever can tell me these source of my cut n paste
” It’s really a shame that she’s so physically attractive and a wingnut at the same time.”
Actually, that appears to be the emerging republican MO. They sure as heck didn’t pick Palin to run with McCain because of her political credentials and experience.
Actually, that appears to be the emerging republican MO.
Emerging? It’s always been a part of Fox’s business model.
“Wrong!!! liar liar pants on fire”
No need to get all worked up about poll results, GO. People believe what they want to believe and collect “facts” that buttress their beliefs. Look at the evolution debate. There is literally mountains of physical evidence to support evolution, but it makes no difference to the creationists.
The politicalization of science results in no science at all.
There is literally mountains of physical evidence to support evolution, but it makes no difference to the creationists.
Because they’re perfect. They’ve always been perfect, and will always be perfect.
Fine, great! He can go be a Teabagger, or whatever, and make money sucking the ba11s of True American Patriots
I just figured out where Parthian is.
He’s possessing SgtP’s soul. 
by the way – one virtual beer to whomever can tell me these source of my cut n paste
The Huffington Post.
Tiny, in Eric Cartmann mode, should be along any minute.
I’ll take an Abita Amber.
The politicalization of science results in no science at all.
We landed on the moon as a result of mixing science and politics, although I suppose you can argue that we haven’t been back in 37 years for the same reason.
While I would prefer it to be different, I’m not sure you can separate the two.
“No need to get all worked up about poll results, GO.”
Not worked up at all Mr. Python. I just get a kick out of Cartoon Danno’s slants and exaggerations that he soooo loves to accuse the republicans of doing.
Dannos 85% fantasy has a 59% reality check.
It’s from Wonkette — maybe Parthian = Jim Newell?
You guys hear that Rupert Murdoch says — and I love this — the days of the current internet are over. He made this proclomation after stating that the NY Post and his other papers are going to start charging for online access. He says WSJ subscription service “proves” that people will pay to access news sites.
I think ol Rupert’s got bad memory…or he wasn’t paying attention in the early days of the internet — like 1994-1998. Lots of papers – including the Pioneer Press – charged a subscription for access to the newspaper version of the site. It failed miserably. The WSJ is an exception in that its readers are demographically different than other papers.
Hubris is so obvious to the regular people. I wonder we the rich and powerful are so blind to it?
While I would prefer it to be different, I’m not sure you can separate the two these days.
There. Fixed it.
If “these days” means the last four centuries, I agree.
Four centuries, eh? Seems to me a guy named Galileo ran into political problems about that long ago because of his scientific research.
I’ll agree that science and politics have butted heads down thru the years. It just seems more pronounced to me lately. It’s a part of the disinformation age we live in.
“Notably, all of the past year’s uptick in cynicism about the seriousness of global warming coverage occurred among Americans 30 and older.â€
That’s because of their revised estimates of how much longer it will be their concern vs. the concern of 30 yr olds and younger. Of these:
59% never cared in the first place
18% believe it’s too late to care.
23% believe they’re too broke to care.
“Irrelevant you say? But they still have you paranoid dont they?”
Yes, but only because of their increasing appeal to the know nothing element that thinks the enlarged “no bag limit hunting license on liberals,” that DD linked to in last thread, is great fun.
×œ×”×§×™× says:
The Huffington Post.
I’ll take an Abita Amber.
re. “Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, tells TIME he’s so outraged by GOP overspending, he’s quitting the party — and he’s the bull’s-eye of its target audience.”
” by the way – one virtual beer to whomever can tell me these source of my cut n paste”
Trick question. TIME ? I’d prefer a virtuous Sam Adams.
“I’d prefer a virtuous Sam Adams.”
adlib, nice swing at the mayor of Portland. HAaaaaa……….
“Commentary: 5 reasons GOP will rebound”
By John Feehery
“1. Overreach
2. Checks and balances
3. Crisis breeds renewal
4. Talent senses opportunity
5. The Republican Party is the de facto Libertarian Party”
6. They’re the only other team in the league.
This is whay the Democrats have made a comeback.
Lord help us. We need more teams.
“Erectile dysfunction ads too hot for TV?”
“Enter H.R. 2175. That’s a bill that Rep. Moran introduced last month that would prohibit any ED ads from airing on broadcast radio and TV between 6AM and 10PM.”
Lets put Tampon and douche commercials on that list.
“Commentary: 5 reasons GOP will reboundâ€
By John Feehery
“1. Overreach
2. Checks and balances
3. Crisis breeds renewal
4. Talent senses opportunity
5. The Republican Party is the de facto Libertarian Partyâ€
6. They’re the only other team in the league.
Sure, except that Republicans are still overreaching in the same direction that got them booted in the first place, their crop of up and comers are as imbalanced as anything we’ve ever seen before, most people see the Republicans as having a leading hand in our crisis and clueless about how to get us out of it (Tax cuts and “Just Say No” will solve everything… not), Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are their (snicker) “talent” pool, the Libertarian and the Christian Fundamentalists are diametrically opposed to each other (and the Fundies control the party), and they’re a pathetic excuse for an opposition team.
But other than that….
I, however, still noticed not one soul weights in on an obvious ?:
Since the Dems took Congress in 1/2007, when do they go under a 100 BILLION per month deficit?
2010?
2011?
2012?
If this is “genius,†then I guess I will pass……..
Setting aside the inconvenient fact that Bush still wielded the veto pen until, oh, three months ago, I did find that the Republicans have a solution. From Time about the Republican’s proposed counter budget:
But if you pay attention, the GOP alternative is not just a p.r. disaster. It’s a radical document, making Bush’s tax cuts permanent while adding about $3 trillion in new tax cuts skewed toward the rich. It would replace almost all the stimulus — including tax cuts for workers as well as spending on schools, infrastructure and clean energy — with a capital gains–tax holiday for investors. Oh, and it would shrink the budget by replacing Medicare with vouchers, turning Medicaid into block grants, means-testing Social Security and freezing everything else except defense and veterans’ spending for five years, putting programs for food safety, financial regulation, flu vaccines and every other sacred government cow on the potential chopping block.
Basically gut everything and give it to the wealthiest among us. Now THAT’S genius. And you wonder why the Republicans are marooned in the wilderness.
“Erectile dysfunction ads too hot for TV?â€
Heck no. If I were directing an ad, it would go something like this.
(Camera slowly pans across the bedroom, woman is furiously masterbating extremely frail looking, white haired man. A walker and a box of Depends can be seen at the side of the bed)
Woman: “Honey, I’ve been at this for an hour, and it’s still as soft as a rotten bananna”
Man: “I’ll take a Priapalis”
(cut to a clock face, minute hand whirling around the dial four times, loud moaning can be heard in the backgound)
(cut to the womans face, eyes rolled back, hair disheveled, breathing heavily)
Woman: “Honey, I never thought I’d say this again, but enough already”!
(Man rolls over and hoists Priapalis flag up his pole)
Man: Ask your doctor about Priapalis.
Sure, except that Republicans are still overreaching in the same direction that got them booted in the first place
Remember, circa 2003-4, how all the best minds in the Democratic party got together for the one purpose of getting the Worst President in History, the Village Idiot, out of office?
We’re just seeing another cycle that will continue until a viable third party can firgure out how to join the dance.
Dan is convinced the Democrats have won. The Republican party is apparently in shambles and will never recover and the Democratic party will remain in office forevermore.
I think you’re a little overexcited there Dan.
We’re just seeing another cycle that will continue until a viable third party can firgure out how to join the dance.
Sure, but it isn’t about finding (creating?) a viable third party. It’s going to take a structural change in how we conduct our voting. Until we can institute instant runoff voting third parties will never get a foothold and their best candidates will either continue to be outliers or they’ll be co-opted by one of the two (make that one and a half) major parties.
But until then you can dream.
I think you’re a little overexcited there Dan.
ParTAAAY!
Nothing lasts forever, but the trend lines and demographics have never looked better.
Not that the Dems couldn’t screw this up, and I’m sure they’ll try their best to, but it’s going to take a very different Republican party than the one we have now to stage a comeback. As politicians start to catch up with the rest of the country I think the real excitement is going to be in the primaries.
I got my popcorn on the ready.
I’m dreaming, but if the Republicans keep chasing out those so called RINOs, that dream will become more realistic.
The Republicans don’t want me, and I don’t want the Dems. I’m sure there’s lots of other people that feel the same way.
I’d also say it’s about creating, not finding a third party.
I think you’re a little overexcited there Dan.
ParTAAAY!
Now would be a good time to audition for my commercial, before it gets banned.
it’s going to take a very different Republican party than the one we have now to stage a comeback.
It will take a couple of unpopular policies, another recession, one or two talented speakers with some charisma, and one brilliant marketer.
“Erectile dysfunction ads too hot for TV?â€
Heck no. If I were directing an ad, it would go something like this….
After reading הקיגs ad concept I’m puzzled why my earler post got blog killed responding to GO’s post about ED ad censorship. I’m sure it wasn’t the part about hardened criminals, but it may have been the mention of V-1-agra and C-1-alis writ differently. HR paves the way for internet monopoly of spam for ED remedy during daylight hours.
“I’d also say it’s about creating, not finding a third party.”
Bullmoose party’s already been done. But does a bear moose in the woods? Of course it does. What about the Bearmoose party?
“it’s going to take a very different Republican party than the one we have now to stage a comeback. As politicians start to catch up with the rest of the country I think the real excitement is going to be in the primaries.”
Exactly. If the 6th congressional district GOP doesn’t oust MB in the primaries they’ll have to take their chances with her in the general election. I can live with that.
Arlen Specter on the other hand is on probation with the Democratic Party. It’s not a foregone conclusion they will back him in the primary if he violates probation, and that Maverick doesn’t like being told how to vote by ANYBODY.
Could he just possibly be founder of the new party Vomit was speculating about?
Andrew Jackson founded the Democratic party. Henry Clay (not Lincoln) founded the Republican party. The founder of a
major new party would need to be a heavy hitter, shrewd but respected, and having his/her own power base.
For a third party to emerge in a two party system doesn’t one of the other two have to disband ?
I know that America always feels it has something to teach the rest of the world about democracy, but aren’t there several other Parliamentary democracies in the world that could argue that America’s system is not as highly evolved as their own? I can see the weaknesses for e.g. in the many party coalition government, crisis-generated vote of confidence system of government.
I can also see the downside of two or year lame duck presidencies following general erosion of voter confidence resulting in a pendulum swing too far in the opposite direction.
The question one should really ask is is the American citizen even capable of passionate involvement in the constitutional overhaul of our form of government by contstitutional amendment? I doubt it unless it is in the aftermath of some great upheaval as significant as the American Revolution or Civil War.
Downtown Dan says:
Nothing lasts forever, but the trend lines and demographics have never looked better.
Not that the Dems couldn’t screw this up, and I’m sure they’ll try their best to, but it’s going to take a very different Republican party than the one we have now to stage a comeback.
Who doesnt love the Dems when they ARE feeling it! Hard to believe it was LESS than 3 years ago that the Dems were a bigtime minority party.
They completed one Congressional term, and now they are INVINCIBLE!!!!!!!!
Yes Dan, it will take such a big change to leap back to power. I can envison the tagline:
“WE WONT INCREASE THE FEDERAL DEBT BY 100 BILLION PER MONTH” so vote for us.
But you enjoy our trend lines and demographics )
I remember Zell’s book, was it ‘A national party no more’ ?
That applied to the Dems for not even one election cycle.
Enjoy Enjoy Enjoy your power old buddy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
And Dan,
If you are citing Time analysis about the Republicans, then you have zero credibility.
You got any Olbermann quotes, too?
And you dont even answer the question, when do the 100 bil/month debt additions end?
Bush is longgone, you know?
And if Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are the Dem’s talent pool, who is laughing now?
Me, that’s for sure
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
“Iran has dramatically increased the amount of low-enriched uranium”
I believe if you look it was Israel who “invented” the Drone. But I just wonder how they are going to do this.
I can only come up with multiple airborne assault with lots a dynamite. A suicide mission but I think they ( and I ) believe it has to be done.
“And you dont even answer the question, when do the 100 bil/month debt additions end?”
Good point 6DJ. Maybe Obama now regrets our current glasnost policy that discloses the defense spending previously kept off-budget by his predecessor. Makes him look bad.
On the other hand if the economy is ever to be on a sound footing again I think he’d like it to be known how tremendoous a reversal it took.
But listen I realize unlike you know-it-alls I’m just talking out of my @ss here.
“But listen I realize unlike you know-it-alls I’m just talking out of my @ss here.”
Nor smart enough to be in your “little Club”
“But listen I realize unlike you know-it-alls I’m just talking out of my @ss here.”
GO on…what does your @ss have to say? We’ve all got opinions and they all smell obnoxious to somebody.
Who wants to be in a Club that lets someone like ×œ×”×§×™× join it. If you know what I mean? What the “NC Club” Non-circumcised Club. Sh^t I’m already a member of the Fireman’s Cap club. Did it myself..with a pocket knife.
“GO on…what does your @ss have to say?”
HEY! *GASP*…….What the……Thats not right…………
“Did it myself..with a pocket knife.”
a VerY sMAlL PoCKeT KniFE.
“I can only come up with multiple airborne assault with lots a dynamite. A suicide mission but I think they
( and I ) believe it has to be done.”
IS dynamite the most effective bunker busting technology available? If, as you say, it has to be done and if it can never be undone…why create martyrs AND survivors. Isn’t there a final solution that would just cause an entire nation to disappear ?
“final solution that would just cause an entire nation to disappear ?”
Sieg Heil to that baby!
Oh Christ.. now להקיגs goin’ to get all bent out of shape.
Authorities Pennsylvania have accused ACORN of falsifying voter-registration forms.
Authorities in Nevada filed charges Monday against ACORN.
God bless Michele for trying to block ACORN from getting additional taxpayer money!
“IS dynamite the most effective bunker busting technology available?”
How about the government “WaterBushBean’s” Ya and sends Ya over there so you can bend down in front of the front gate with a second guy standing there with a book of matches ready to lite them up.
hey. your ears are dirty buddy boy.
Hard to believe it was LESS than 3 years ago that the Dems were a bigtime minority party.
Bigtime in your mind. How quickly people forget that Bush needed the Supreme Court to install him the first time around, and, in spite of the power of the incumbency at a time of war, only barely hung on via a smear campaign against the lamest candidate available.
Not only didn’t repubs see this coming, they still don’t know what happened.
Authorities Pennsylvania have accused ACORN of falsifying voter-registration forms.
I’m guessing if a link was provided we’d learn that it’s ACORN employees making up names (who will NEVER show to vote – because they don’t exist) to collect wages they didn’t earn and it’s ACORN that was ultimately defrauded.
But there’s a reason CNC wouldn’t provide a link.
adlib says:
6dj–“And you dont even answer the question, when do the 100 bil/month debt additions end?â€
Good point 6DJ. Maybe Obama now regrets our current glasnost policy that discloses the defense spending previously kept off-budget by his predecessor. Makes him look bad.
It is a good point, ad lib. And nobody still ventures a guess……
I tip my hat to you, however, as your point is excellent. W never had a deficit exceeding 500 bil, and the first year was a surplus, and the 6th year was claimed to be only 185 bil.
Amazingly: the debt soared 5 trillion over his 8 years, or 600+ Bil per year! so obviously they must have kept over 2 trillion off-budget those years.
It is an ugly deception, that’s for sure. And why I love the ‘Debt to the minute website’! Your point is well taken and I tip my blog hat to you.
“But there’s a reason CNC wouldn’t provide a link.”
Because the proof is in the pudding.
“If you don’t beat yer meat, you can’t have any pudding. How can you
have any pudding if you don’t beat yer meat?”
“You! Yes, you behind the bikesheds, stand still laddy!”
“we’d learn that it’s ACORN employees making up names (who will NEVER show to vote – because they don’t exist) to collect wages they didn’t earn and it’s ACORN that was ultimately defrauded.”
To put it another way -
Obama wanted a stimulus package that he campaigned on. Then he handed it off to Hairy Reed and Nuncy Porklosi to write, which he never intended to read or direct thus giving him the ACORN effect of deniability when the budget implodes into a money laundering scheme.
Its Obama that was ultimatly defrauded.
You’re traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of AL and GORE but of Tax Dollars; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of make believe, fairy Tales and imagination. That’s the signpost up ahead — your next stop, the Globull Warming Zone.
When they figure out these known critters, then its time to tackle whether globull warming
is real. Wait your turn. No cutting in line.
**”Basking Sharks’ Hiding Places Found
Emily Sohn, Discovery News”**
**”Basking sharks have long been shrouded in mystery. These fish, which can measure 35 feet or longer, are known to live in temperate waters around the world. Yet, no one has ever examined a newborn basking shark. No one has seen a pregnant female. No one knows where the animals give birth.
And until recently, no one knew where they spent much of their time, particularly in the winter.”**
Downtown Dan says:
May 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Hard to believe it was LESS than 3 years ago that the Dems were a bigtime minority party.
Dan says: Bigtime in your mind.
Sorry, I have to disagree, Dan. Things they wont tell you in Time…..
It was just in the summer of 2006 that your beloved Dems were at 75 year member lows in both the House and Senate–please correct me if I am wrong.
But, enjoy your moment, as most of the here and now was from legitimate election wins (Franken aside). I dont want to rain on your parade, not at all.
Dont expect me to wallow in the moment, however. Adlib seems to forget I was very anti-Mccain and Norm in the last election, as many on my side have drawn a line in the sand on bs–which is dominating both political parties.
How about the WaPo bomb today that Pelosi was front and center in 2002 in the TORTURE briefings? Still love your side? Afghan surge. 100 bil monthly debt additions. “Torture” hypocrisy. When will this crap all end?
Repubs?
We were worse in 1937, that’s for sure.
16 Senators and 88 House members. Ouch!
And Dems? They had 61 senators in Carter’s last year, and 3 short years later, were down to 45 Senators.
Things can, and might, change quickly as this budget mess is unsustainable.
And jobs report just out:
another 500k down in April.
Now 2.6 mil down since January.
Change we can all believe in?
But they did cut 19 billion from the 3.4 trillion budget……they even intellectually argue it’s awesome cutting. What say Dan?
;o)
Could he just possibly be founder of the new party Vomit was speculating about?
I wasn’t thinking about Specter specifically, he’s too much of a career politician to risk going into uncharted territory.
Who wants to be in a Club that lets someone like ×œ×”×§×™× join it
Doctors, lawyers, Wall Streeters, and deli owners.
6th District Jim has learned nothing. President Obama inherited an economy in free fall. Our financial system was collapsing; workers were losing jobs right and left; and Brain Dead Jim wanted to just do NOTHING.
Apparantly, it was all some economic process of natural selection where the deserving would come out OK; and the rest would meet their well deserved fates. The problem remained all governmental so we should cut all taxes to zero and stop any governmental regulation to protect the public.
This standard Republican viewpoint is why President Obama has the support in the nation he does. For any mistakes that the President is making, at least the public understands that the President is trying to do something to improve the situation of most Americans.
So, keep it up Jim. Your the best vote getter the Democratic Party has.
President Obama inherited an economy in free fall.
Sure, but didn’t FDR clean up Hoover’s mess in, what, two or three months? What’s taking Obama so long?
Are you still with Krugman True and believe the stimulus bill was too small?
“Sure, but didn’t FDR clean up Hoover’s mess in, what, two or three months?”
Well, there are a few Democrats who seem to think it was that easy for FDR.
“workers were losing jobs right and left;”
“were” ? Still are.
My understanding is too this COBRA unemployment thing isn’t even setup yet.
Promises promises….
True I’ve been meaning to ask you. What’s your feeling on that “swing set†the Obama kids got? Jesus you don’t have to have an old tire tied to a rope but for Christ shake don’t get the Suburban three garage door version.
(Former Communists going out in Tiny)
No honestly this has been bugging me to no end. True?
“The U.S. government is pouring billions into General Motors in hopes of reviving the domestic economy, but when the automaker completes its restructuring plan, many of the company’s new jobs will be filled by workers overseas.”
If this had happen in 2006.
“Bush that bastard let his rich friends at GM take our money and create new jobs over seas”
May 08 2009 President Obama
“Them GM bastards”
6DJ is consistent at least, which can’t be said for a lot of the people who post here. Jim’s right – after the 2004 election, Republicans were cheering what many thought was certainly the end of the Democrats.
Pat Buchanan compared that 2004 situation with the way things were after Goldwater got spanked in 1964, and it turns out he was right in more ways than one. In 1965, the GOP stepped back and did some serious sould searching about what kind of party they would be. Four years later, we elected Richard Nixon — and with the exception of Carter’s 4 years in the middle, we had 25 years of GOP presidents.
It’s a symptom of the two party system — pendulum swings back and forth, and it can change direction fast.
The problem for the GOP now is to all get on the same page.
Deacon asked:
“Are you still with Krugman True and believe the stimulus bill was too small?”
I am. I believe that the President and his top economic advisors believe that they want to do the minimum possible in order to push the economy. It is possible that they could be right and are able to hit the bulls eye and provide just the right amount of stimulus and bail out to avoid further deflation or stagnation.
It is funny though that the most effective critics of Obama’s actions on the economy come not from the right; but the left. With Paul Krugman and Joseph Stieglitz reading the charge.
If you want an example, just read Krugman today:
“What we’re really seeing here is a decision on the part of President Obama and his officials to muddle through the financial crisis, hoping that the banks can earn their way back to health.
It’s a strategy that might work. After all, right now the banks are lending at high interest rates, while paying virtually no interest on their (government-insured) deposits. Given enough time, the banks could be flush again.
But it’s important to see the strategy for what it is and to understand the risks.”
and
“But what worries me most about the way policy is going isn’t any of these things. It’s my sense that the prospects for fundamental financial reform are fading.
Does anyone remember the case of H. Rodgin Cohen, a prominent New York lawyer whom The Times has described as a “Wall Street éminence grise� He briefly made the news in March when he reportedly withdrew his name after being considered a top pick for deputy Treasury secretary.
Well, earlier this week, Mr. Cohen told an audience that the future of Wall Street won’t be very different from its recent past, declaring, “I am far from convinced there was something inherently wrong with the system.†Hey, that little thing about causing the worst global slump since the Great Depression? Never mind.
Those are frightening words. They suggest that while the Federal Reserve and the Obama administration continue to insist that they’re committed to tighter financial regulation and greater oversight, Wall Street insiders are taking the mildness of bank policy so far as a sign that they’ll soon be able to go back to playing the same games as before.
So as I said, while bankers may find the results of the stress tests “reassuring,†the rest of us should be very, very afraid.”
Full article can be found here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/08/opinion/08krugman.html?ref=opinion
“Crain’s dot the sky” Obama
Ok enough with this guys speech writer..GOD
“If you want an example, just read Krugman today:”
Honesty I’d rather be Prepin’ for a colonoscopy today then read that sh^t.
Well, there are a few Democrats who seem to think it was that easy for FDR.
Well, there are a few (ENTER ANYONE) who seem to think (ENTER ANYTHING).
Thanks, I can use this handy form later when I need to comment on anything you say.
6DJ says:
“And jobs report just out:
another 500k down in April.
Now 2.6 mil down since January.
Change we can all believe in?”
Well, that is the way the job market reacts to a recession, if history is any gauge. Unemployment has increased for 6 to 12 months after the stock market bottomed out in every recession since WWII. So, if – IF – the market has bottomed out now, we should see unemployment increasing for at least the next 6 months.
It is funny though that the most effective critics of Obama’s actions on the economy come not from the right; but the left.
Perhaps from your perspective, but that is because those are the people who you think highly of before you read their article (which isn’t a criticism). But if Rush had written that exact same article you might either: A. Never see it or B. Think he’s an idiot.
There are plenty of criticisms on Obama’s handling of the economy from people on the right.
Well, there are a few (ENTER ANYONE) who seem to think (ENTER ANYTHING).
Well, there are a few idiotic homosexuals who seem to think it’s a good idea to start a website at dare2sayit.com full of propaganda.
This is fun. What else can we come up with?
“Well, there are a few (ENTER ANYONE) who seem to think (ENTER ANYTHING).”
Well, isnt that what you do already anytime MASS MEDIA comes up? There are a few conservatives out there under a blanket someplace hatching schemes against me. Isnt that what your paranoid of? Youre the king of the unnamed conspirators right?
“It is possible that they could be right and are able to hit the bulls eye and provide just the right amount of stimulus and bail out to avoid further deflation or stagnation.”
Im guessing the missed the bulls eye in the complete opposite direction from you. The stimulus bill was passed in an atmosphere of panic. We are seeing all kinds of signs that the bottom of the recession is passed and without any stimulus money on the streets yet. That makes it hard for me to believe you and Krugman are right when you say the Govt. hasnt done enough. If that was the case we’d still be falling off the cliff instead of climbing back up it.
Well, isnt that what you do al…
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….
If that was the case we’d still be falling off the cliff instead of climbing back up it.
So our rate of descent slows slightly and you think it shows we’re climbing back up. I suppose this makes sense in False Equivalency world.
“Because I say so” will serve you well as a parent.
True, that article was about the banks, not the stimulus package.
For my money, I think David Brooks has a better understanding of what is really at stake here and whats going on than Krugman does.
“So our rate of descent slows slightly and you think it shows we’re climbing back up.”
And with no stimulus money on the streets yet. Look around Dan, the signs are out there. The recession ISNT over, its past the bottom. See the difference? Probably not living in your world of doom and gloom and 24/7 pessimism. Dont cue “Happy Days Are Here Again” yet but dont tell me the world is ending either like people were doing a few short months ago when the bloated stimulus bill was passed.
““Because I say so†will serve you well as a parent.”
Got any kids Dan?
Virtual Sam Adams to all!!!! Here’s another good one:
Oh brother, here we go again. Charlie Crist, the governor of Florida, is known for precisely two things: being orange, and having a dreadful porn mustache in the 1970s, which was the style at the time. Everybody likes to make jokes about how (allegedly!) gay he is, jokes that were only made more hilarious by his engagement to a lady right around the time last year that John McCain was supposed to pick him as his running “mate.â€
But Crist got passed over and he still had to marry that woman. And people shook their heads sadly over what a mess he’d made of things, having to marry some broad and put his suspiciously long bachelor days behind him.
Now he’s one of the subjects of a movie about gay Republicans, and all these folks in this movie apparently go on camera and solemnly declare, “Yeah Charlie Crist is totally gay, I fcuked him once and I am a man†…and really this is exciting because …?
This is about as titillating as news that Oprah is fat again.
Gates angry about New York flyover
How is this still a story?
Don’t worry. It won’t happen again. Now everyone get back to work… sheesh..
Charlie is actually Crayola burnt sienna, and I couldn’t care less about his sexual orientation.
SgtP, do liberals only tolerate gays that announce their sexual orientation at every opportunity? Do they only tolerate gays that share their own politics?
“SgtP, do liberals only tolerate gays that announce their sexual orientation at every opportunity? Do they only tolerate gays that share their own politics?”
Vomit, a true liberal tolerates everybody, man. It’s all peace, love and Bobby Sherman. This intolerance stuff is neocon projection.
Deacon writes:
“True, that article was about the banks, not the stimulus package.”
Yes, and that is because you can not look at one little piece of the economy and get the big picture. One of the reasons that it is going to be so hard to climb out of the economic downturn we are in is because the banks are not acting like banks. They are not loaing money like a real bank (hence the term “zombie banks”). Our economy will not recover until the banking sector is back acting like real banks. Which is why many econimists favored nationalization (or recapitalization) of all troubled banks. Bite the bullet and get on with fixing other stuff.
“For my money, I think David Brooks has a better understanding of what is really at stake here and whats going on than Krugman does.”
Let me see; Brooks versus Krugman, Steiglitz, Galbraith, Bernanke and, just for fun, let’s throw in John Maynard Keynes. The people who have studied the great depression (like Fed Chief Ben Bernanke) and Japan in the 1990s say that the ONLY way to get out of this without letting the economy self destruct to ground zero is to spend. The only player on the current economic stage who can spend is the government.
Unlike Japan in the 1990s, there is no other economy in the world which can step in and provide the stimulus to get the U.S. economy moving.
The other thing that comes through loud and clear in recent events is that the charge that the President is interested and creating sociali$m is bogus. The facts say that the President has done just about everything he can to keep market mechanisms going. It is just that too many people forgot the experience of the 1930s and the last great economic collapse.
I hope it is true that the current economic recession has bottomed; but, I fear that we are reading much too much into very feeble data. There were many little uptakes in the period 1933 – 1938; but none of them really evidenced an end to the Great Depression. We will see how confident you remain when unemployment pops into double digits and keeps on climbing into 2010.
“This is about as titillating as news that Oprah is fat again.”
I noticed on a magazine cover in the grocery store checkout line that Kirstie Allie is fat again too. When will they ever learn?
White House aide resigns over NYC flyover
Honestly is that necessary? Nobody died or got hurt. Everyone got a little scare and now it’s over. Why does someone always have to get fired?
Caldera’s office approved the photo-op, which cost $35,000 in fuel alone for the plane and two jet fighter escorts. The Air Force estimated the photo shoot cost taxpayers $328,835.
This should be the bigger story. $35,000 in gas in a bad economy with global warming sneaking up on us? And $328K for some pretty pictures? What a waste. Maybe Obama can cut this out of the budget next year…
Pelosi: I Was Told Interrogation Methods Were Lawful
The House speaker’s statement came after CIA records showed Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods and appeared to contradict her claim last month that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation techniques were being used.
Dan, what was it you said earlier?
most people see the Republicans as having a leading hand in our crisis and clueless about how to get us out of it (Tax cuts and “Just Say No†will solve everything… not), Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are their (snicker) “talent†pool,
Pelosi and Reid as leaders aren’t much better. And unless Obama pulls us out of this recession, it’s going to be looking pretty bad for your party.
Here’s some highlights of the Pelosi story.
Pelosi issued a statement after CIA records released this week showed that Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods. The briefings memo appeared to contradict the speaker’s claims that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation methods were being used.
……….
Pelosi is fighting back against accusations that she and other Democrats are being motivated by politics in their attempt to establish an independent commission to investigate officials and lawyers involved with the Bush-era interrogation programs.
Pelosi is just one of 65 lawmakers who received 40 briefings dealing with the subject. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., for instance, was repeatedly briefed, as was Rep. Jane Harman, D-Valif., who took over Pelosi’s spot on the House Intelligence Committee.
………….
In addition, from the beginning of the program in 2002 until it became public in the fall of 2006, the House held 13 votes to authorize intelligence funding at which time no one objected or demanded changes to any intelligence programs.
The briefings took place in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. At the time, the CIA was getting actionable intelligence that helped disrupt several terrorist plots.
Lawmakers apparently didn’t want to stop that. But when it became public, Pelosi and others shifted gears and started criticizing a program they had known about for years, claimed GOP strategist Brad Blakeman.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/08/pelosi-says-told-interrogation-methods-lawful/
“Caldera’s office approved the photo-op, which cost $35,000 in fuel alone for the plane and two jet fighter escorts. The Air Force estimated the photo shoot cost taxpayers $328,835.”
Question is, now that they have their photos will Caldera’s former office use them? Some say the same photo could as well have been obtained for peanuts by
superimposing one existing photo on another one. So whatever option they decide upon AF1 guests will always wonder. Good strategy.
And also, the original shots alone should be worth a million $ at auction for an offset. Plus the lives of New Yorkers that were changed by promising God they’d reform if something bad didn’t happen….
Time to move on to the next faux paus.
Plus the lives of New Yorkers that were changed by promising God they’d reform if something bad didn’t happen….
It’s almost like Caldera was doing a public service. He should come out with a statement saying, “To New York… You’re welcome.”
See if that riles them up.
“…she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation techniques were being used.”
Like hanging ten, or other gnarly ptractices mistakenly associated with the sport of waterboarding.
“you don’t have to have an old tire tied to a rope but for Christ shake don’t get the Suburban three garage door version.”
Yes, you do ’cause it’s made in Minnesota. It’s worth it.
ACORN is under investigation for vote and/or vote registration fraud in 14 different states now. This indicates the problem is with the organization itself. The fraud is more systemic than the libs would would like to admit. They have been funded by the US government by the tune of $54 million since 1994. ACORN and its affiliates may receive an additional $3 billion from the spendulous plan.
Here is the link from the lib NY times that calls out that former leaders are being charged:
Downtown – And your link is?
“And jobs report just out:
another 500k down in April.
Now 2.6 mil down since January.
Change we can all believe in?”
So unemployment is growing at the same time as the market is booming ? 6DJ, you must be a Marxist to believe that all this market activity exclusively benefits fat cats. Could it be there’s a time lag between market gains and an increase in employment percentages? Anyone know what that interval historically averages?
adlib asks: “Could it be there’s a time lag between market gains and an increase in employment percentages?”
There isn’t any correlation let alone causation between the two.
QED
I would think Mark with the downturn in the economy you have a more sophisticated McDonald’s employee and you’re getting the correct sauce every time.
CNC says” There isn’t any correlation let alone causation between (market gains and an increase in employment percentages)..”
Do you deny that market losses and bankruptcies had something to do with layoffs and unemployment?
RIP
“ACORN is under investigation for vote and/or vote registration fraud in 14 different states now. This indicates the problem is with the organization itself. The fraud is more systemic than the libs would would like to admit.”
CNC: Your link points to ACORN’S use of a practices as savory as boiler room telemarketing and lying on job applications, a numbers game relying on a percentile probability of success.
I agree that there needs to be less of an incentive for resorting to deceit in order to land a job, to win a sales spiff or to earn an extra $5.00 / day working for ACORN.
hahahahaha…
Because CBS joking about assassinating our political leaders is funny.
if you gave any U.S. soldier a gun with two bullets in it, and he found himself in an elevator with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Osama bin Laden, there’s a good chance that Nancy Pelosi would get shot twice, and Harry Reid and bin Laden would be strangled to death.
Boy that’s a knee slapper.
I understand Limbaugh already reread the above CBS editorial on air today.
Assassination. Mainstream. Funny.
What could go wrong?
There isn’t any correlation let alone causation between the two.
Shorter CNC: “The tide had nothing to do with it.”
ACORN is under investigation for vote and/or vote registration fraud in 14 different states now. This indicates the problem is with the organization itself. The fraud is more systemic than the libs would would like to admit. They have been funded by the US government by the tune of $54 million since 1994. ACORN and its affiliates may receive an additional $3 billion from the spendulous plan.
Shorter CNC: “Ooo… shiny.”
Dan, what was it you said earlier?
You’re comparing chinks in ones armor against the bare @ss of the other.
And for what it’s worth, I never liked either of them and have no idea what they had on who to get those positions. But they’re only the face of the Dem party to Republicans, so it won’t hurt the Dems as badly as you hope.
“I understand Limbaugh already reread the above CBS editorial on air today. Assassination. Mainstream. Funny.
What could go wrong?”
For Limbaugh? Nothing. Any violent coincidence could never implicate him.
His defense would maintain that at best he’s clairvoyant, at worst an entertainer.
It’s like code or like an urban legend or like another joke also told by Limbaugh about Chelsea Clinton. Remember? “Osama, Obama, and your mama?”
Feel the power. What a Rush.
“Yes, and that is because you can not look at one little piece of the economy and get the big picture.”
Yeah? Thats not the question I asked. I asked about the stimulus package. I wanted to look ata specific part of the overall recovery. I was trying to be direct. I asked for a response on the STIMULUS PACKAGE and I get a link to the banks recovery policy debate. Thanks.
“One of the reasons that it is going to be so hard to climb out of the economic downturn we are in is because the banks are not acting like banks.”
A bit of a generalization isnt it? Some banks are very much acting like they would have been. Personally I think a lot of the TARPs problem is they have treated ALL banks the same wether they were in trouble or not. Some of these banks dont need ANY TARP funds but are being ‘forced’ to participate for political reasons. The Govt wants there to be no stigma involved in taking the funds so all are ‘encouraged’ to participate. Beauty part of the deal for the Govt is now they can exert presure they didnt have before on banks that they couldnt have otherwise. So Id rethink the statement that banks arent acting like banks when the majority dont need any TARP funds at all and are a far cry from being ‘Zombies’.
What Is the Real Unemployment Rate?
From the WASHINGTON POST (the Ticker):
Actual U.S. Unemployment: 15.8%
This morning’s news that U.S. unemployment has hit 13.7 million, pushing the rate to 8.9 percent, tells only half the story of this recession.
The total number of Americans who are not working full-time but ought to be is actually about 22 million, or 15.8 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Who are those other 8.3 million Americans? Call them the unofficially unemployed.
As The Ticker points out each time the Bureau releases the monthly unemployment figure, it does not include many out-of-work Americans.
There are many reasons for this.
The bureau, which is under the Labor Department, cannot use unemployment compensation records to count the out-of-work, because they are not reliable or up-to-date enough. The bureau also cannot count every out-of-work person.
Instead, as The Ticker reported here in December: “In the case of the monthly jobs report, the Labor Department contacts 60,000 households to determine the unemployment picture for the entire workforce, which consists of about 154 million Americans.”
The problem with this methodology is that it does not include millions of Americans who are not working full-time who ought to be. Those, in the bureau’s words, who are “marginally attached to the labor force.”
Those numbered an additional 2.1 million Americans in the first quarter of this year, the bureau said. Alarmingly, that number was up 35 percent from the first quarter of 2008.
Of this number, the bureau categorized 717,000 as “discouraged” workers, or those that have simply given up looking for work for any number of reasons. That number was up 70 percent from the first quarter of 2008.
“Discouraged” workers include a disproportionate number of young people, blacks, Hispanics and men, the bureau said.
On top of all of this, add an additional 3.6 million unemployed Americans who say they want a job but have not looked for work in the past 12 months.
The remaining 2.6 million or so officially unemployed Americans include part-time workers who would prefer to have full-time jobs, those who have not looked for work because of illness or transportation reasons and those who believe they have other impediments.
But even though these workers don’t count toward the official monthly unemployment number, they are nevertheless a true weight on the economy.
They don’t pay payroll tax, or as much of it as they would; they don’t contribute to Social Security or other government entitlement entitlements and they don’t spend as much.
The 15.8 percent figure is the highest since the bureau began keeping these figures in 1994. Excluding the current recession, the highest previous rate came in January 1994, when it hit 11.8 percent.
The number was 8.7 percent in December 2007, when the current recession began. That means the number of the unofficially unemployed has shot up 7.1 percentage points since then.
By comparison, the official unemployment rate has risen 3.9 percentage points since December 2007. This suggests that a greater percentage of people are becoming disenfranchised from the workforce than are getting laid off.
By the way, in February, the White House predicted unemployment would top out at 8.1 percent this year, a figure that was blown through the following month.
It has made no call on how high the unofficial unemployment rate will go.
Ok Deacon, I will respond directly to your question:
1. The stimulus bill: I think the stimulus bill which was passed included too many tax cuts and not enough targeted stimulus. What is needed is spending that will spur economic activity now. Much of the stimulus will take too long to gain traction. It would have been better if the Federal government had provided the states with more funding so that states could continue spending instead of making cutbacks in state funded programs across the board.
For example, Minnesota was very fortunate to get $2+ Billion in direct federal assistance to drop Minnesota’s gap in income and spending from roughly $6 Billion to $4 Billion. It has had a rather large effect on Minnesota’s education programs and prevented draconian cuts in other state spending. This is true across the country where many states have constitutional requirements for balanced budgets (like Minnesota) which mandate spending cuts which adversely effect the most vulnerable of our citizens.
2. Banks and Tarp: I think the one thing, which you seem to completely overlook in your analysis, is that the initial Tarp program was crucial in stabilizing the financial system last fall and winter. What AIG should have taught us is how everything is so interconnected in our current financial system. You say that most banks do not need Tarp and this was simply foisted upon the banking industry.
If we would have let the nay sayers scuttle Tarp last fall, we would have had a run on our banks which would have tested even the most solvent and well run of the banks. You know full well that no bank is capable of handling a bank run of the scope we saw in the 1930s when President Roosevelt had to call a bank holiday. Now apparantly a big chunk of the Republicans thought and still think that this would be an OK result.
What Tarp has really done is to reinforce the confidence of Americans that, at the end of the day, the federal government will not permit the financial system to collapse. This was crucial to containing what was building this past fall and winter when it was quite possible that panic could have really taken ahold in the markets.
Don’t take my word for it, just as President George W. Bush and Hank Paulson, who clearly thought at the time that what was brewing could very well cascade into a bank run of historic proportions.
The fact that prompt federal action curbed this possibility ought to make you, as a banker, grateful for the willingness of the Fed and the Congress to draw a line in the sand which said we will not let the system fail.
Downtown – Can’t take the truth hey?
adlib – don’t try to change the question. You asked: “Could it be there’s a time lag between market gains and an increase in employment percentages? ” The answer is no. You are welcome to find data and provide a link if you are so inclined.
TrueBlue011 says:
6th District Jim has learned nothing. President Obama inherited an economy in free fall. Our financial system was collapsing; workers were losing jobs right and left; and Brain Dead Jim wanted to just do NOTHING.
Downtown Dan says:
President Obama inherited an economy in free fall.
Sure, but didn’t FDR clean up Hoover’s mess in, what, two or three months? What’s taking Obama so long?
AND WHO IS BRAIN-DEAD?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHA!
At least Sarge defends the honor of principle, thanks Sarge.
For the phony-baloneys of Dan and Blue (who just cited the economic genius of W! HAHA, again), did you miss leftie Calvin Woodward’s AP’s brutal 4/29 factcheck of the Obama?
FDR, even like W, was a Governor who stepped into a mess in Washington as a true outsider.
Obama, as the AP deliciously points out, crafted these budgets as a leading politico of the MAJORITY party in 2007 and 2008!
Is it “inherit,” or CRAFTED?
You guys are laughably fradulent twits, but the painful lessons in America will continue until voters demand responsibility. Good luck to both of you.
As for Govt intervention?
It is a total canard to say the big govt intervention has helped. As Jason Lewis repeatedly has stated, it MAY only prolong the pain. Nobody will ever know for sure, not even Blubrain.
AIG goes under? Take the bitter medicine. But USAA and Metlife benefit.
Indeed, USAA just released their data on a great year. How did they do it?
GM goes under, or restructures without govt supervision, then Ford and Toyota do better. And GM might do better if the union-owned Obamas would just stay out of the bankruptcy……
Homes? We may only be delaying foreclosure by a couple of years for most troubled owners. Good?
Yet, we save AIG and then whine about their bonuses. Fannie Mae, oddly, no Dem posturing on their bonuses.
And people like Dan and Blue staunchly defend their elected dorks; this is reason #1 why the pain will be long, and uncomfortable.
At least the righties broke from their elected dorks last fall, and if they can find the “right” leader the pendulum Sarge speaks of may swing back. God knows we needs somebody in Washington who has a modicum of economic sense.
Even the leftie press laughs at Obama’s way too rosy budget projections, but heaven forbid somebody actually ask the tough questions…….
As adlib correctly pointed out, this is what lead to W’s destructive offbudget deficits–everybody kept their head in the sand while he averaged 600 bil per year. And Obama is on track to at least double it!
WooHoo!
And really:
the lapdog apologists here like Dan and Blue just allow this goofy behavior to continue. I will only smirk and laugh because this deficit spending is unsustainable:
no if’s, ands, or buts, that is for sure!!!
The list is huge for the first 100 days–
eyepopping budget deficits
2.6 mil jobs lost, unemployment at 9% (double what it was when the Dems won their “glorious” victory in 11/06 and starting CRAFTING budgets)
Biden? where to begin?
Release interrogation documents? Whoops, now we all see the Dems were knee deep in this back in 2002 )
You cant make this stuff up!
Afghan surge–civilians just got smoked again. Where is Dora
and her beloved war protestors?
Buzz the NY/Statue of Liberty? 350K gone and still the “transparent”
admin wont even release who is on the manifest?
As with the tax cheats withdrawing, leak the firing late on a Friday.
Celebrate earth day? Fly to Iowa with 9k gal of jet fuel and back
on a quick speaking appearance.
North Korea launching missles during speech on eliminating nukes….
Launch, what launch?
Iran going nuclear. What Iran?
And really, why not raise taxes? The leaders dont pay them! How much fun has Leno had with that one?
I am very curious to see how the next election cycle goes, no matter who wins.
It will tell us much about the USA, as even the right needs a new generation of leaders. And the left, they are captaining the Titanic, for now.
Anyway, have a good weekend. Blue makes parth look moderate )
SgtP, do liberals only tolerate gays that announce their sexual orientation at every opportunity? Do they only tolerate gays that share their own politics?
The issue is with CLOSETED gay members of the GOP who lead the “family values” charge and promote anti-gay legislation. That was certainly the case with Sen Larry Craig, and with Charlie Crist to an extent as well. Just good ol’ fashioned hypocrisy.
You’ll notice that the libs don’t go after the log cabin Republicans all that much.
Also — you know if you take the gay issue off the table, lots of gay men are fairly conservative by nature. If the GOP adopted a pro-gay position (they wouldn’t need to promote gay marriage, just accept that gays are not “sinful heathens”) they’d see their numbers rise.
In this day and age, it seems obscene to allow someone’s sexual orientation to determine whether or not they should be in your political party…for some Republicans, it’s easier just to pretend to be straight.
Jim, I gotta say that I pretty much disagree with you on about 92% on your post – but I do appreciate hearing actual “conservative” approach to issues, rather than just calling Obama a terrorist soc1al2t muslim non-citizen.
I’d just like to point out that Obama is doing what he was elected to do. Whether it’s the right thing or not is of course debatable, but he’s doing what he said he’d do, and it’s what he was elected for.
I feel your pain. I felt just like you do back in 2002-3 when Bush was telling everyone that Saddam Hussein needed to be stopped, and he had the media in his back pocket. It looked like a cluster fcuk of monumental proportions going in – and I told everyone I knew about that…But I must say that knowing I was right and the others were wrong turned out to be very little consolation.
Just at WaPo
Here is more on the people/party that some love to defend on these pages (and we wonder why a fannie or AIG happens):
Top Pelosi Aide Learned Of Waterboarding in 2003
By Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 9, 2009
A top aide to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi attended a CIA briefing in early 2003 in which it was made clear that waterboarding and other harsh techniques were being used in the interrogation of an alleged al-Qaeda operative, according to documents the CIA released to Congress on Thursday.
Pelosi has insisted that she was not directly briefed by Bush administration officials that the practice was being actively employed. But Michael Sheehy, a top Pelosi aide, was present for a classified briefing that included Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), then the ranking minority member of the House intelligence committee, at which agency officials discussed the use of waterboarding on terrorism suspect Abu Zubaida.
A Democratic source acknowledged yesterday that it is almost certain that Pelosi would have learned about the use of waterboarding from Sheehy.
Anyway, enough of picking on the children. The economic policies will do enough of that in the years ahead.
Sarge, you are right.
Reasonable people can reasonably disagree on policy.
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I still think eliminating the Hussein family was our top foreign policy achievement of the last several decades. Yet, as with the Iron Curtain fall tainting WW2′s victory, i certainly see where people like yourself did NOT like this war.
It was so expensive, and not well planned for the postwar period.
No argument there.
Yet, I cant stand it when people pretend it wasnt a Dem Senate that greenlighted the Iraq war. Or that Pelosi wasnt front and center on our enhanced interrogation methods (that I also support).
And really, there is no pain. I just accept the reality of the here and now.
Elections have consequences, but little seems to change, no matter who wins.
And they just said that 1 in 5, and I think months ago you said you were in this group, homeowners now have mortgages exceeding their home values.
That stinks, and is just wrong. Good luck to one and all.
Anyway, gotta run. Busy. Busy. Have a good weekend.
P.S.
I did score another 500 short russian 30 in April so thanks on the web tips as well.
“I did score another 500 short russian 30 in April so thanks on the web tips as well.”
“Score” ???..Thats drug talk right there?
“I think the one thing, which you seem to completely overlook in your analysis, is that the initial Tarp program was crucial in stabilizing the financial system last fall and winter.”
The one thing which you seem to completely overlook in your analysis, is that I havent given you my analysis on TARP yet. When I do, you’ll know it. I commented that if you think all banks are Zombies and none are operating at full capacity, youre totally ignorant of the situation. But your correct when you say that the reason most banks of any substantial size were forced to take TARP money was to keep a run on the real culprits from taking place. That was the logic. (I dont think it was correct in its conception. I dont think giving TARP funds to the likes of BOA or CITI and not to healthy banks would result in a run on the “Zombies”. The TARP funds in conjunction with additional FDIC insurance on deposits would have been enough to stop that from happening in my opinion.) But that is a long way away from saying the banking system is like a giant Zombie right now simply because some of them may have taken TARP.
Ive been of the opinion the whole time that the stimulus bill should have always played second fiddle to significant structural and systematic changes to the banking system. So far TARP has not been enough to do that.
“If we would have let the nay sayers scuttle Tarp last fall, we would have had a run on our banks which would have tested even the most solvent and well run of the banks. ”
TARP is a necessary program and is important to providing stability to the system. I think in some cases it has gone too far however. Take for example USB and TCF, our two largest local banks. Neither needed or wanted TARP funds from the govt to stay affloat but were “forced” into taking the funds for political reasons(the run theory). Why should a healthy bank like these two be forced byt he govt to participate in a program that doesnt do it any good and makes it subject to increased govt oversight it doesnt need? There is my biggest TARP pet peeve.
“The stimulus bill: I think the stimulus bill which was passed included too many tax cuts and not enough targeted stimulus. What is needed is spending that will spur economic activity now. Much of the stimulus will take too long to gain traction.”
Thats funny because its the targeted spending that is taking so long to gain traction and increase economic activity NOW. The vast majority of the stimulus money hasnt hit the streets yet and the little bit that has is mostly in the form of payroll tax reductions. How exactly would YOU go about increasing economic activity NOW with targeted Govt spending? The Admin’s idea of increasing budgets for govt agencies hasnt done much yet. What would you do?
Deacon:
“Thats funny because its the targeted spending that is taking so long to gain traction and increase economic activity NOW.”
That is why I singled out the direct aid to states which is really having some impact now. I would have doubled the figure in the stimulus bill or even gone higher. Getting the money to states and local governments to avoid having to cut back on current programs by the states and local governments would go a long way to driving up demand/consumption.
I agree with you that the tax cuts will take much too long to have any real impact and the problem is that much of the money in the previous stimulus payment to individuals ended up being saved (the paradox of thrift).
I do think that some of the infrastructure improvement money has had some effect when there were shovel ready projects that could be started quickly. But, again, much of the stimulus infrastructure money is still waiting to be spent and what we need is spending now.
Which is why direct federal aid to states and local governments would seem to be such a good strategy in the current economic environment.
Finally, one other thing that the stimulus bill did was similar to what happened with Tarp. That is, the federal government, through the President and the Congress, took action which laid down a marker saying that the federal government would use all its resources to turn the economy around. I think this was crucial to restoring confidence in the American public and possibly giving individuals the sense that yes they could carefully begin to resume normal spending patterns.
I think the President has also been responsible in saying that these actions by the federal government are not going to be without some pain. The pain is that, once the economy recovers, we are going to have to pay this money back. In the future, we are going to have to find a way to run surpluses in the better economic times to pay back what we are borrowing now. Also, we do have sustainability problems with health care and other programs in our social safety net. These have to be addressed.
I believe that this is doable, over time, and reigning in costs in health care and other social programs will make America a better place for current citizens. We should not dump the burden of the deficits on future generations.
I understand Limbaugh already reread the above CBS editorial on air today.
I understand Downtown Dan already posted the above CBS editorial on a blog today.
But they’re only the face of the Dem party to Republicans, so it won’t hurt the Dems as badly as you hope.
First off, I don’t “hope” it hurts the Dems at all. You’re saying the Speaker of the House and the U.S. Senate Majority Leader aren’t the face of the Democratic party, but a governor from Alaska and a Minnesota Representative are the face of the GOP?
Palin is like a running joke right now and the only thing people look to her for right now is her soap opera-like personal life right now. The only people (outside of D2) look to Bachmann for is a laugh at another one of her idiotic comments.
So yeah, I’d be a little more worried about the impression that Pelosi and Reid are giving off than Palin and Bachmann. They are on two different tiers in terms of politics.
I understand Downtown Dan already posted the above CBS editorial on a blog today.
And my audience is only 1/10,000,000th of his.
You win the False Equivalency Award of the Year for that one.
You’re saying the Speaker of the House and the U.S. Senate Majority Leader aren’t the face of the Democratic party,
No, that would be Obama.
but a governor from Alaska and a Minnesota Representative are the face of the GOP?
I’ll bet Palin and Bachmann are more popular with Republican voters nationwide than Pelosi and Reid are with Democratic voters nationwide.
“Desperation in Pakistani hospitals, refugee camps”
We should and we have blamed the presidents polices for such human catastrophes such as this.
I hope to hear the usually suspects voice that tomorrow morning on the Sundays
Cash N. Carey says:
May 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
adlib asks: “Could it be there’s a time lag between market gains and an increase in employment percentages?â€
“There isn’t any correlation let alone causation between the two.
QED”
CNC, I was rhetorically asking whether the generally accepted link between market gains and lower unemployment might be true after all.
Re. QED: Your interesting assertion is the contrarian position so I don’t know what your resting your case upon. If I say the planet Earth is more or less spherical and you say it is flat the burden of proof would be on you. I’d feel no need to prove it, although 600 years ago I’d have been obliged to provide proof.
You wouldn’t know by the press coverage but this thing in Pakistan right now is the single most important fight since 9/11.
“The U.S. coalition blamed Taliban militants Saturday for causing what Afghan officials say are dozens of civilian deaths during a prolonged battle that included American airstrikes.”
I looked on KOS and nothing. I would think this is still a Pentagon lie? A Obama Administration propaganda disinformation campaign.
adlib states: “CNC, I was rhetorically asking whether the generally accepted link between market gains and lower unemployment might be true after all.”
In that case my rhetoric answer is still no.
Mmmmm Walleye!!!
I pity the fools!
“You wouldn’t know by the press coverage but this thing in Pakistan right now is the single most important fight since 9/11.”
Amen Tiny.
“In that case my rhetoric answer is still no.”
Then I take it you’re agin it.
Rate of job loss has quit accelerating and seems to be slowing. Has to do that before employment rate starts to grow.
Meanwhile the market’s heading towards 9000 at a faster rate than previous climbs from the 7000 region.
“You wouldn’t know by the press coverage but this thing in Pakistan right now is the single most important fight since 9/11.â€
Are you talking about the fight aboard the one hijacked plane prevented from reaching its target on 9/11? I’ll agree that was a very important fight, and the people of Pakistan’s own struggle to resist a Taliban putsch is equally important.
The trick will be how to help them without hindering them.
You win the False Equivalency Award of the Year for that one.
And you win the “missed the point” Award.
You said, “I understand Limbaugh already reread the above CBS editorial on air today.” Then you went on to suggest that Rush was advocating violence.
My point was that you have no idea how it was used, or even if it was used.
Saying that Rush mentioned it on the air was as useless of information as me mentioning that you mentioned it.
No, that would be Obama.
There was a reason that sentence wasn’t split up. That was a comma, not a period.
I’ll bet Palin and Bachmann are more popular with Republican voters nationwide than Pelosi and Reid are with Democratic voters nationwide.
I seriously doubt that. I think you mistakenly view D2 as the average voter for Republicans. There aren’t enough D2′s in this world to get any republican elected (although, I’m starting to think there might be enough in the 6th District).
Well, well, well, what have the BQ Boyz been up to now that their 3,000 comment Deer Charade thread is gone? And, what, no Pawlenty Walleye Opener thread as an encore? Tarnation!
Same things as always are rattlin’ around in the minds of the BQ Village Rightists: the crazed conserva-squirrel Cash carrying around his ACORNs, OT watchin’ his gas prices, GO denying GW and the Prince of Darlin’ Michele Land, Mr 6DJ, showing up to defend his loony gal, and yapping about deficits and the national debt, when he couldn’t have cared a whit about the topic in Bushco’s Days of Wine and Roses (2001-08). What a party!
As for Darlin’ Michele and her exploding Congressional (and media) exposure, one has to wonder what is motivating it, and who is the intended audience. Surely the audience isn’t the members of Congress, most of whom she thinks “unamerican” and needful of “investigation”, as she “reports” from “behind enemy lines”.
Is it Michele’s idea to get more of her fever-burning eyes onto the tube and goofball lies on the airwaves via these empty chamber speeches, or is the brainchild of the dimwitted Repub strategists of Team Repub?
Is it a Repub “plan” to get a hot Palin substitute out there yapping away—and who better than Minnesota’s own Miss Wingnut, or is this simply Darlin’ Michele herself seizing her Palin opportunity and conquering all, while the aging male coaches of Team Repub grit their dentures?
And who’s she supposed to be seducing with those burning hot eyes of lunacy? She seems to have forsaken forever appearances on the “lib’rul” (guffaw) corporate press (like CNBC) and is playing entirely on the organs of the Conservative Noise Machine—Fox, and the endless variations of coast to coast Pinhead Talk Radio. In others words, the world of the (long) converted conservative cogs and cretins.
Is the idea to “raise” the hopes and “spirits” of the defeated and bedraggled conservative white males with a heavy dose of their seductive conservatress? Because it seems to me that that’s who will be watching and following these performances of Darlin’ Michele’s Big Lie Circus, Part 27.
No one with an independent and informed thought in their head is listening to her, so it’s difficult to know what the purpose of her massively increased exposure is thought to be. Perhaps it’s just a case of “Try Anything, ANYTHING!” on the part of the sinking SS Repub.
Asked and answered, Parthian.
As you see it’s a slow Sunday and most everyone else seems to be otherwise enjoying the day.
The subject’s getting threadbare. MB’s been done before, so unless she surpasses previous remarkability this thread is about to the point where lately the BQ abandons substantive discussion for the more inane.
“And, what, no Pawlenty Walleye Opener thread as an encore? Tarnation!”
Headline: “Pawlenty rises early to catch 15 inch Walleye: Vetoes State budget bill in his sleep.”
Wrong? Too long?
“MB’s been done before…”
That’s for sure, adlib!
And I agree about the staleness of the subject. Although this thread looks reasonably sane, so far.
With the Repubs placing all their eggs in the Obama “economic failure” basket–hopin’ & prayin’ & naysayin’—the timeframe of politics has slowed way down, as we watch the entrails of “capitalist” stress tests and quarterly GDP reports.
Tiny says: “The U.S. coalition blamed Taliban militants Saturday for causing what Afghan officials say are dozens of civilian deaths during a prolonged battle that included American airstrikes.â€
If the US blamed the collateral damage on the Taliban in the past on occasions when it was actually our fault, doesn’t it stand to reason, if the US military is being more careful now, that the Taliban would willingly kill a few Pashtun civilians just so we make no headway in the battle for hearts and minds of the Afghan peoples?
Then you went on to suggest that Rush was advocating violence.
No, I think you’re missing the point. I was pointing out to a mass audience, the casual use of violence, political assassination to be specific, as “humor.” This is a bad idea when your target audience has been spending the last three months stockpiling ammunition and passing out Liberal Hinting licenses.
“I was pointing out that he was broadcasting to…
Don’t know how that got cut.
Tiny, scoring 500 rounds of Russian short 30 for gun enthusiasts like Jim and I is like a crack addict scoring a big rock — or like the new dildo smell when D2SI opens up a fresh package.
Welcome back Parth — you should know that I pasted something from Wonkette (Jim Newell), and some of these guys though you wrote it.
FYI Rush is a douchnozzle of the highest order.
“And you win the “missed the point†Award.
You said, “I understand Limbaugh already reread the above CBS editorial on air today.†Then you went on to suggest that Rush was advocating violence.
My point was that you have no idea how it was used, or even if it was used.”
You don’t know how right you are DJ.
Rush was off Thursday and Friday.
You don’t know how right you are DJ.
Rush was off Thursday and Friday.
Thanks Central. I had no idea. I’ve never heard Rush.
No, I think you’re missing the point.
No Dan, you’re missing the point. You have no idea whether or not Rush said anything. Even if he did mention that “joke” on the air, you have no idea in what context he used it.
I was pointing out that he was broadcasting to a mass audience, the casual use of violence, political assassination to be specific, as “humor.†(correction added)
Prove it. Let me hear the podcast. Let’s see the quote. All you heard, from what I have read, is that you heard he probably said that quote on the air. Once again, in what context?
Thanks for the info Central.
Tiny, scoring 500 rounds of Russian short 30 for gun enthusiasts like Jim and I is like a crack addict scoring a big rock — or like the new dildo smell when D2SI opens up a fresh package.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Pendy!! That was hilarious!!!
Well done sir.
Prove it. Let me hear the podcast. Let’s see the quote.
Limbaugh fill-in Davis reads Feherty’s comments about “any U.S. soldier” killing Pelosi and Reid, says “his words speak enormous volumes”
Podcast: h-ttp://mediamatters.org/clips/200905080021
Yes , you gotta love Dan’s outrage!
How about the Prez yukking it up on Wanda’s hope for Rush’s death, has that got a nerve in you too, Dan?
Why people defend these hypocrites on either side is beyond me.
And Parth is back….
Who deserves some credit, ie he was more accurate on predicting the start of our recession than the typical politico or media dork.
But still seems to defend the indefensible…
You do know, Parth, the Dems had 3 of the 8 chambers under “Bushco?” Right?
And adlib correctly pointed out the offbudget spending, easily now chronicled in the “Debt To The Minute” website, right?
Actually, many on our side broke from W last fall when he went crazy on the TARP issues.
The real question is : when do you hypocrites on the left stop speaking out of both sides of you mouth?
Parth: no other leftie here would take a shot. What say you?
When will the 100 bil per
month deficits end?
The USA editiorial today nails the absolute budget hypocrisy of the left.
NO forecast less than 530 bil over the next 10 years.
And that is better than “Bushco?”
the bureau categorized 717,000 as “discouraged†workers, or those that have simply given up looking for work for any number of reasons. That number was up 70 percent from the first quarter of 2008.
“Discouraged†workers include a disproportionate number of young people, blacks, Hispanics and men, the bureau said.
On top of all of this, add an additional 3.6 million unemployed Americans who say they want a job but have not looked for work in the past 12 months.
I found myself in the position several years ago, and found two simple words that proved to be very encouraging.
1) Homelessness
2) Starvation
I also found, in the course of the (considerable) volunteer work I’ve done for soup kitchens and shelters, that many of these “discouraged” workers have lots of time on their hands to play cards all day.
I take it that you do not go out much 6th district Jim? Your McCarthyesque “when will you stop beating your wife” post was a classic. Filled with right wing wingnut silliness.
But, keep it up; maybe you can drive Republican ID numbers below 15% and something new can arise to replace a party that has truly lost its way.
It is a sad thing what the party of Abraham Lincoln has come to. Maybe the oxycontin crazed addict currently leading the Republican party can lead you to your future in the “Know Nothings” (so appropriately named) or the “Mugwamps.”
Well, thanks for the compliment, 6DJ.
The Dems held a one seat “majority” in senate for a year and a half until fall 2002, and from 2006-2008. That’s not control of the Congress.
Many Dems did vote for Bushco’s budget busting tax cuts in summer 2001. Many did so because the country used to have a tradition that the Congress would defer to the economic plan that a new president ran on and won—just like House Dems deferred to St Reagan’s ruinous tax cuts in 1981.
It appears to be a “tradition” that Repubs refuse to follow, if one looks at the Clinton tax increases of 1993 and the Obama stimulus plan of 2009. Dems should remember this and block any economic plan of any new Repub prez in future, should there ever be another one. But I digress.
Rush is a douchnozzle of the highest order.
A case of virtual Abita for anyone who can figure out why Rush has been on my sh1tlist since August 1995.
How about the Prez yukking it up on Wanda’s hope for Rush’s death, has that got a nerve in you too, Dan?
A CBS analyst suggesting anyone in our military would be glad to put two bullets into the Speaker of the House vs. a comedian hoping Rush’s kidneys fail. What could possible be different about these two? Do they teach false equivalencies at whatever GOP Idiot Academy you went to? They should have warned you that this only works on people as stupid as you are, and they’re all already on your side.
As to your insistent (if hypocritical) question, 6DJ, we will be in an era of substantial deficits for some time, and most people will not care if they agree with what is being spent on—-if the dollar is not collapsing and if interest rates remain managable, which is likely with the great glut of world savings.
The Right has now moved into their next stage of ill-informed sloganeering–the horrible deficts! The DEBT!! This after their beloved Bushco increased the national debt over $5 trillion in 8 years and we got nothing for it. Oh well, when ones has lemons one makes lemonaid.
The first thing to accept is that the country has a structural deficit as a result of the Bushco tax cuts of 2001-03, and those have to go. Plus, tax rates on the richest have to be substantially increased, certainly to 50% on every dollar of income over $1 million (for example). In the middle of the Great Recession, Obama and the Dems are hesitant to implement this.
The next thing that new found deficit hawks like 6DJ have to explain (instead of just complaining and screaming) is to determine what they want to pay for, given the Bushco structural deficit. What we have “paid for” during the last 8 years is massive tax cuts for the richest 5%, and a massive increase in our militarism. As well as huge tranfers of money to health care providers. That’s it.
For the thirty years of the Catastrophic Conservative Age (1980-2008), the country has invested in literally nothing but militarism. No infrastucture, no energy policy, no health care reform, declining educational achievement, no past pollution clean-up. Nothing. Nothing but bombs and soldiers (and their enormous pensions and health care).
Now, in the midst of the Great Recession, the Hooverite Repubs supposedly “rediscover” their passion for fiscal sanity, at a time when government spending will be one of the few things holding aggregate demand up. As I’ve said, they are not a serious party, but a collection of power seeking clowns.
If Obama slowly lowers “defense” spending, repeals the Bush tax cuts, and spends funds on long deferred projects the nation actually will benefit from (health care, alternative energy, mass transit, education, infrastructure repair) then most people will be willing to run deficits to finance these needed investments and Repubs can cry “DEFICITS!! Tax and Borrow!!” all they want—their hyposcrisy and disastrous mismanagement when they ran the DC show will be tattooed on their foreheads for all time.
Making fun of the hated Boss Limbaugh–now that’s some real bad politics! And comedy!
If Repub monsters like Rushbo and his conservative cog followers actually think the latest comedic rhetoric is too harsh (which they don’t), maybe they should have thought of that before they enthusiastically dragged the nation into the rhetorical sewer over the past decade.
“The first thing to accept is that the country has a structural deficit as a result of the Bushco tax cuts of 2001-03, and those have to go.”
Yeah right , and social programs and defense budget are totally inconsequential to the problem.
Yeah right , and social programs and defense budget are totally inconsequential to the problem.
And your proposal to fund them is…?
“And your proposal to fund them is…?”
Cuts and tax increases, you know, both sides of the equation. I dont want to hear about structural defecits being caused only by tax cuts when its obvious its a spending AND revenue problem.
Yes, the Bush tax cuts go hand in hand with Cheney’s decision to invade and occupy two countries, apparently permanently. Those quagmires will be with us for some time and their expense is enormous, even if dropping slightly.
So large Bushco tax cuts with increased spending = structural deficits.
My point is that we ran small surpluses for a few years under the Clinton tax/budget structure—we never came close under the Bushco “conservative” Repub tax/budget model.
And now the need for buying all the long deferred national necessities (which our bloated military most definitely is not) has finally come due.
When one adds in the current economic meltdown—due entirely to Repub deregulation fever—one can see that (necessary) deficits will be the continuing result for some time.
All we can do, given the grossly reckless Repub fiscal mismanagement of the past 8 years and deregulation fever, is to start to move toward a return to (Clintonian) fiscal sanity, while finally spending on what we should have been “buying” over the past 30 years—a period totally wasted as a result of conservative Repub Do Nothingism and Hatred of Demonic (non-military) Gub’mint.
One does what one can.
“I take it that you do not go out much 6th district Jim? Your McCarthyesque “when will you stop beating your wife†post was a classic. Filled with right wing wingnut silliness.”
A couple of lines of completely contrived nonsense. God almighty! Ever have an original thought of your own True?
“Yes, the Bush tax cuts go hand in hand with Cheney’s decision to invade and occupy two countries, apparently permanently. Those quagmires will be with us for some time and their expense is enormous, even if dropping slightly.”
Oh you mean that one country that Dems said they would get us out of in 2006 elections yet here we are in 2009. THAT COUNTRY?
“When one adds in the current economic meltdown—due entirely to Repub deregulation fever—one can see that (necessary) deficits will be the continuing result for some time.”
parthian You’re an idiot.
“And your proposal to fund them is…? “
We’ll pay for the first kid.
Incarceration for fathers who don’t pay child support.
Limbaugh fill-in Davis reads Feherty’s comments about “any U.S. soldier†killing Pelosi and Reid, says “his words speak enormous volumesâ€
Okaaay…. ? This is what you find so horrible? First off, it wasn’t Rush. Secondly, Davis was reading it from another magazine. Thirdly, he said it was supposed to be taken as a joke.
I thought it was kind of funny. It’s just a stupid joke. Stop being so freakin sensitive. When a soldier gets in an elevator and shoots Pelosi, get back to me and I’ll agree that they are spreading “hate speech”.
A CBS analyst suggesting anyone in our military would be glad to put two bullets into the Speaker of the House vs. a comedian hoping Rush’s kidneys fail.
Got it. It’s ok for someone to wish death upon another, but not make a joke about shooting someone. Got it. Glad we’re clearing up what’s allowed and what’s not.
I wish you would die Dan.
That’s ok to say, right?
A case of virtual Abita for anyone who can figure out why Rush has been on my sh1tlist since August 1995.
It was the first time you heard him?
“When one adds in the current economic meltdown—due entirely to Repub deregulation fever”
WRONG. Entirely is the WRONG word.
“All we can do, given the grossly reckless Repub fiscal mismanagement of the past 8 years and deregulation fever, is to start to move toward a return to (Clintonian) fiscal sanity”
You mean the Bill Clinton who pushed for and signed the two bills most responsible for the deregulation you bemoan?
“that country”
Yes, THAT country, tiny.
I can’t get anything past you!
And yes, THAT Bill Clinton!
You guys are so sharp today!
“Yes, the Bush tax cuts go hand in hand with Cheney’s decision to invade and occupy two countries, apparently permanently.”
I see you touched on only one of the spending problems. Aside from the war costs currently, the defense budget has been too large for decades including during Dem admins.
“And now the need for buying all the long deferred national necessities (which our bloated military most definitely is not) has finally come due.”
It should have been pay it forward the whole time, not this continual deferal system of payments. Nothing has FINALLY come due, it was due all along. This isnt a new phenomenon. This defecit has been brewing a long time.
“You guys are so sharp today!”
Someone has to be to cut through all this partisan bull sh:t. Entirely Republican my ass.
Got it. It’s ok for someone to wish death upon another, but not make a joke about shooting someone. Got it.
He’s right, which is why I own two rifles with permanently mounted bayonets.
It was the first time you heard him?
No. After Jerry Garcia died, by referred to him as “Just another dead doper. And a dirt bag”. Like so many dead fans, I had just felt like I lost a friend, and he’s been on the sh1tlist
ever since.
It was immensely satisfying when the news came to light that both shared the same issues with opium derivatives. I’m sorry they didn’t incarcerate him, which is what he’s publicly stated should happen with all drug users.
Incarceration for fathers who don’t pay child support.
Debtor’s prison. What a great idea.
Okaaay…. ? This is what you find so horrible? First off, it wasn’t Rush. Secondly, Davis was reading it from another magazine. Thirdly, he said it was supposed to be taken as a joke.
First off, it was Rush’s show. Secondly, who cares what the source was (though disturbing that it was a CBS guy). Thirdly, who cares if it was supposed to be taken as a joke, it was joking about assassinating political leaders on a show with an audience of 10,000,000.
Stop being so freakin sensitive. When a soldier gets in an elevator and shoots Pelosi, get back to me and I’ll agree that they are spreading “hate speechâ€.
History is filled with where this kind of “joking” leads to.
Got it. It’s ok for someone to wish death upon another, but not make a joke about shooting someone. Got it. Glad we’re clearing up what’s allowed and what’s not.
I wish you would die Dan.
That’s ok to say, right?
I hope you contract fatal herpes.
I hope someone puts a couple 38 slugs into your head.
If you can’t see a difference it’s because you choose not to.
You mean the Bill Clinton who pushed for and signed the two bills most responsible for the deregulation you bemoan?
That’s what he gets for listening to Republicans selling snake oil.
I’m sorry they didn’t incarcerate him, which is what he’s publicly stated should happen with all drug users.
Instead he’s elevated to the national spokesmodel for the Republican party. It must have been the blatant hypocrisy that impressed them.
DB — hey check out this guy’s book when you get a chance – great for new dad’s. I found it to be really valuable. I have two very well-behaved, respectful boys who listen. And I’ve never had to lay a finger on them.
Instead he’s elevated to the national spokesmodel for the Republican party. It must have been the blatant hypocrisy that impressed them.
I would have thought you’d comment on the fact that the Republicans put an admitted coke user in the White House.
Wait a minute….
Hey FYI — the CBS “Analyst” is a former pro golfer. He’s a sports guy. It’s kind of a given that people like him say douchnozzley things from time to time.
Still trying to think of what was going on in August 1995…×œ×”×§×™× did Rush make a joke about Jerry Garcia’s death?
“Debtor’s prison. What a great idea.”
Lets call it child neglector’s prison.
“That’s what he gets for listening to Republicans selling snake oil.”
You’re not still going with the BS that these werent Gramm AND Bill Clinton’s deregulation bills are you Dan? You must have bought some of the Dem Snake Oil that Clinton didnt know what was going on. Dont you remember the getting your clock cleaned on this issue just a few short months ago?
“I have two very well-behaved, respectful boys who listen. And I’ve never had to lay a finger on them.”
Im not planning on using violence or the threat of violence to raise my daughter. Spanking is violence to me. See, I can be progressive too.
“did Rush make a joke about Jerry Garcia’s death?”
So what if he did, the Grateful Dead SUCKED.
Yes DB, that’s why they were on a stadium tour non-stop for 30 years…and they all became millionaires many times over. Cuz they sucked.
Glad to hear you’re not going to spank your kid
SgtP, Rush’s comments are outline in my 11:08 post.
“You mean the Bill Clinton who pushed for and signed the two bills most responsible for the deregulation you bemoan?”
You mean the banking industry that lobbied for deregulation and to insure that there was no effective regulation of the toxic assets they were creating? Always amazing how Deacon overlooks that it was the banking industry which pushed for the changes in law and insured that the regulators were directed to do anything but regulate an industry that was completely out of control. The inmates were running the asylum and, surprise, look what happened.
So what if he did, the Grateful Dead SUCKED.
HA!, Coming from a metalhead. HAHA!
Make sure you get rid of those pictures of you in skin-tight leather pants and mesh shirts BEFORE your daughter reaches the age of reason.
I would have thought you’d comment on the fact that the Republicans put an admitted coke user in the White House.
Wait a minute….
So did George finally admit it?
You’re not still going with the BS that these werent Gramm AND Bill Clinton’s deregulation bills are you Dan?
Deregulation had been a Republican wet dream for years. So they finally convinced Bill it was a good idea and he signed on. They were wrong, and he was wrong for thinking they weren’t.
“Always amazing how Deacon overlooks that it was the banking industry which pushed for the changes in law and insured that the regulators were directed to do anything but regulate an industry that was completely out of control.”
Youre an idiot, that little fact, however, isnt amazing, its pretty obvious. Ive never denied that the regulations were the problem and that Wall Street has a large slice of the overall blame pie. Not once. Ive said it from the beginning the regulations sucked and totally inadequate and stupid for the health of the economy. Are you denying Clinton lobbied for and signed the two bills? I hope not. You’re pretty stupid, but I hope not that stupid. It always amazes me of the resident liberals totally ignore where Clinton fits into the blame puzzle.
“Deregulation had been a Republican wet dream for years. So they finally convinced Bill it was a good idea and he signed on. They were wrong, and he was wrong for thinking they weren’t.”
All true. But unless Clinton is actually a Republican, or was, the statement that it was entirely republican deregulation is a lie, or an ignorant statement. Take your pick.
“Debtor’s prison. What a great idea.”
Why should I pay for someone elses kid. I PAID FOR MINE ( Still paying at 24 )
Love supporting gangbangers kids.
“did Rush make a joke about Jerry Garcia’s death?â€
“So what if he did, the Grateful Dead SUCKED.”
Says the Rush fan.
Not Limbaugh, mind you… rather, Deacon admires those Canadian prog rock wankers. But we’ve had that argument before. Deacon and I do manage to like some bands in common in spite of our differences.
I’ll never really understand the appeal of Rush. I don’t despise them like I do their corpulent pillhead talk radio namesake though.
Deacon:
Stop the “idiot” trash talk “little boy.”
I will treat you like a child if you want to act like it. We have finally gotten into a substantive discussion after weeks of little activity on this blog and, as usual, you immediately dump into the childish name calling.
Grow up and say something of substance without the garbage. Or is this still a diversion from your pathetic and boring job so you think it is cool to take it out on others?
Why should I pay for someone elses kid.
Let ‘em starve then. Or learn to fend for themselves on the streets. Screw society. They’re not our problem, at least not until they learn armed robbery and breaking and entering.
If Rush Limbaugh ever OD’s, I won’t think of him as “just another dead doper.”
I’ll think of him as just another dead @sshole.
“HA!, Coming from a metalhead. HAHA!”
Im a metalhead among many other things, sure. I also like fleetwood mac. One thing Im not is a brain dead smoked out hippie dufus who follows lame jam bands around the country begging for change.
“Make sure you get rid of those pictures of you in skin-tight leather pants and mesh shirts BEFORE your daughter reaches the age of reason.”
Aside from the Iron Maiden shirts and my Harley jacket, I dont look ‘metal’ on a regular basis.
The Greatful Dead SUCKED.
“Let ‘em starve then. Or learn to fend for themselves on the streets. Screw society. They’re not our problem, at least not until they learn armed robbery and breaking and entering.”
Take care of them and put the dead beat parents on a work farm.
“Let ‘em starve then. Or learn to fend for themselves on the streets”
Again I PAID FOR MY KID. If you don’t care that your kid is fed then neither do I.
“Grow up and say something of substance without the garbage.”
No.
“I will treat you like a child if you want to act like it. We have finally gotten into a substantive discussion after weeks of little activity on this blog and, as usual, you immediately dump into the childish name calling.”
Dont like me, ignore me. Or fvck off.
“Let ‘em starve then. Or learn to fend for themselves on the streets. Screw society. They’re not our problem, at least not until they learn armed robbery and breaking and entering.”
Oh sure …. 40 years of paying taxes for this and I believe we still have a Crime problem.
But what the hell why stop now especially when we need the votes.
“Or is this still a diversion from your pathetic and boring job so you think it is cool to take it out on others?”
Now this hurts. Im offended, really.
I hope someone puts a couple 38 slugs into your head.
If Fleetwood Mac is playing, I’ll do it myself.
What turns your crank, musically speaking, Vomit?
“Stop the “idiot†trash talk “little boy.—
Wow his first original thought and it matches his maturity level.
True just keep mimicking KOS stuff will Ya?
I will say, Deacon, that I saw Rush around the time you were getting ready for nursery school. They put on a good show.
“Says the Rush fan.”
Says the Jazzophile.
“Deacon and I do manage to like some bands in common in spite of our differences.”
Yeah, we usually manage to stay on the civil end of the blog spectrum.
Red Barchetta, come on DAR, I know you like that one.
“What turns your crank, musically speaking, Vomit?”
Heedoosh?
The Gefilte fish?
Both Deacon and Tiny remind me of the kindergarten class I once saw where the children who felt that they were incapable of participating in group activities, just acted up to get attention.
Their participation here is just a form of mental masturbation whre it is all about their enjoyment and attention paid to them and about little else.
They are actually afraid of getting into a real discussion of issues of the day because they would have to think instead of just coming up with juvinile drivel.
“They are actually afraid of getting into a real discussion of issues of the day because they would have to think instead of just coming up with juvinile drivel.”
True, you bore me intelectually speaking. Im acting out because Im bored with you. Challenge me and well see what happens. The only stipulation I have is you cant reference Krugman. I want True Blue originals, not boiler plate partisan crap.
I always wonder what makes some people (True) think this blog is as serious to others as it is to him. Your life may rotate around this blog, to others its not as important. Try actually doing something of substance outside of cyber space and the blog becomes less meaningful.
What turns your crank, musically speaking, Vomit?
Almost anyone that can sing without auto-tune, and write lyrics decently.
The mp3 is currently loaded with,
Three Neko Case live recordings.
One Johnny Cash live recording from Amsterdam 1972
A couple of Dylan recordings, one from 1975, one from 1993.
Pink Floyd – Live recordings from the Wall tour 1981, and the Dark Side tour in 1974
Cat Power
The YeahYeahYeahs
Tom Waits – 1977 recording from Germany
Lou Reed, from NYC, 1983
Zappa, Rotterdam 1981
and, of course, some choice Dead shows.
That Cash recording, is that a bootleg or is it for sale some place? Whats on it aside from any usual suspects?
The Cash recording, and much of what I just listed is available for download here.
ht*p://croz.fm/pages/archive.html
They’re free, but the site appreciates donations.
“I’m bored with you….challenge me and we’ll see what happens”
Oh, you’ll bring up some tangential point that you’ve brought a dozen times before—like Clinton the Deregulator when the topic was the current budget crisis. You really think YOU’RE fabulously interesting as a poster? Good lord, what a (misplaced) ego.
You’re a quibbler, deacon. You don’t really disagree with comments about financial deregulation causing the meltdown, or that conservatives and Repubs were the moving force behind it, but you hairsplit instead of advance the discussion or actually contribute anything new to it.
You’re also a needlessly promiscuous poster, which wastes bandwidth and thread space. But you’re so darn satisfied with yourself, I guess that just doesn’t matter.
“The Gefilte fish?”
The Four Skins.
“Oh, you’ll bring up some tangential point that you’ve brought a dozen times before—like Clinton the Deregulator when the topic was the current budget crisis.”
Dumbass, you said it was entirely republican deregulation right here:
“When one adds in the current economic meltdown—due entirely to Repub deregulation feverâ€
And went on to reference the fiscal sanity of clinton. I was responding to those comments. Clinton has his own skeletons to deal with when it comes to fiscal sanity.
“You’re a quibbler, deacon. You don’t really disagree with comments about financial deregulation causing the meltdown, or that conservatives and Repubs were the moving force behind it, but you hairsplit instead of advance the discussion or actually contribute anything new to it.”
I find it fascinating when pratisans throw out details about what really happened when it suits them, like they do when it comes to Bill Clinton and the deregulation that he was involved in. It just plays so much better to the left when you can call the deregulation “enitrely” republican. Call that quibbling if you like.
“You’re also a needlessly promiscuous poster, which wastes bandwidth and thread space. But you’re so darn satisfied with yourself, I guess that just doesn’t matter.”
And? I guess you’d describe yourself as modest?
“You really think YOU’RE fabulously interesting as a poster? Good lord, what a (misplaced) ego.”
Im not here to amuse you Parth. Im here to amuse myself. Saying True bores me isnt a declaration of my ability to wow the blog masses with my intellect. Take me as you will, boring, entertaining, whatever, I dont care.
I’m seeing the yeah yeah yeahs at First Ave at the end of the month. Got the tics in me wallet. I’m puh-syched for it.
It’s been a long time since I’ve run down to the ticket outlet on the day they go on sale for a show, but that one is probably sold out by now. And I had to see them before they start playing huge venues.
Last show I was at was Fred Wesley at Trocadero’s. He sounded good but I don’t think I would go back to Trocadero’s. Saw Andrew Bird a few weeks back. Great show. His touring band are buddies of mine.
Right now the CD in my car stereo is The Clash’s Combat Rock. Next disc on deck is Captain Beefheart’s Trout Mask Replica.
I’m assuming we got to talking about Rush Limbaugh because of Cheney’s statement about preferring him to Colin Powell on meet the Press. I’m frankly a little puzzled that Cheney is still making remarks in public. I would have thought he’d be keeping a lower profile, maybe hanging out in a vault full of krugerands in an undisclosed location, swimming in them like Scrooge McDuck. Not sure what motivates him to stay engaged in public discourse at this point.
“You wouldn’t know by the press coverage but this thing in Pakistan right now is the single most important fight since 9/11.”
I sorta agree with tiny here. Yes, most important fight since 911 but… I guess I wouldn’t know it was happening if not for the coverage in the press.
Deac, have the Taliban burned down any of the schools you support?
The full sentence was “When one adds in the current economic meltdown—due entirely to Repub deregulation fever—one can see that (necessary) deficits will be the continuing result for some time”.
So you are quibbling about an aside within a sentence about current deficits—the thrust of which you conveniently deleted. You are bending over backwards to bring in your stale “Clinton the Deregulator” point (yet again—zzzzzzz, as GO would say.)
Second, you apparently cannot understand what the word “entirely” is even referring to in the sentence. How did you do on your verbal SATs again? Or didn’t you have to take them?
Keep on amusing yourself, dumbass.
I’ll never really understand the appeal of Rush. I don’t despise them like I do their corpulent pillhead talk radio namesake though.
You need to think of Rush in the context of the time they were making their music. My guess is that it was pretty refreshing at the time. I certainly like ‘em when I discovered them — round about the same time I discovered the Dead (saw them June 26, 1986 at the Dome with Bob Dylan and Tom Petty.) Great show – sh1tty sound.
I’m seeing the yeah yeah yeahs at First Ave at the end of the month.
F*CK!!!
I managed to relocate to THE part of the country where bad music comes to live. The big event of the spring was the reunited New Kids on The Block.
that’s why I had to go to NYC to see Neko Case.
Right now the CD in my car stereo is The Clash’s Combat Rock
And I just found a new frigging word you can’t say here. On the link I just posted, there’s a good live recording of the Clash from 1981 at Bond’s Ca$in0
inNYC.
I’m frankly a little puzzled that Cheney is still making remarks in public
Especially if he’s going to throw Powell under the bus.
Holy captain beefheart…wow. I thought I was one of the only living people to appreciate that guy. Damn. It’s been a while since I’ve dusted off ol’ Cap’n B.
By the way, nice MP3 list vomit. Have either of you guys checked out the re-released album by “Death”? The early-70s proto-punk trio from Detroit, who refused to sell out to Clive Davis in the mid-70s, and then promptly faded into oblivion? They are seriously blowign my sh1t away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinLh5zrx5M
Other than these guys, I’m just mostly listening to my usual…tons of bootleg mashups that are totally illegal.
Cheney’s trying to protect his legacy. Plus like any human being, he doesn’t like being hated, so he’s trying to ingratiate himself to the GOP base. Plus it shows that he’s probably a little nervous about being prosecuted. He’s kind of contrarian – doing just the opposite of what you think he’d do. (e.g. Fear of prosecution? Start talking. Worried about people hating you? Talk about how sh1tty the new prez is – aka “getting off the boat” in Apocalypse Now terminology)
If I were advising the guy, I’d tell him to say all kinds of nice things about Obama — in hopes that Obama would try out some of the nifty new powers that Cheney tried to set a precedent for. That sh1t’s like the One Ring.
I suppose Cheney is holding out hope that if he can get one of his kind of Republicans back in power, he can do some more war profiteering and add to his stack of krugerands. Maybe get enough to fill an Olympic-sized pool.
Obviously Powell or someone like him at the head of the party would thwart that scheme. That must be the motivation. Either that or they paid him to be on Meet the Press.
That band Death is pretty cool. There must have been a preety rad rock scene in Detroit back then. Consider also MC5 and the Stooges. Sid Vicious and Johnny Rotten had to have been listening to Detroit bands.
I hate listening to music on youTube though because the audio format is so lossy and noisy. I know it’s for the sake of quick streaming but my God what terrible flangy things it does to the sound of a crash cymbal.
Donna Brazile said that it’s just fine with her if the GOP wants to have Cheney as it’s spokesperson instead of Colin Powell.
The GOP can only get things done if they act in unision. Whenever they win national elections, it’s because they’ve managed to peel off enough conservative Democrats to get things done, but they can’t afford to split their own party…there’s just not enough of them.
“Second, you apparently cannot understand what the word “entirely†is even referring to in the sentence.”
The economic meltdown was “enitrely” due to republican deregulation is what you ment right? What am I missing? What you’re missing is the deregulation wasnt entirely republican, which was my point. I was using your word to prove my point. The economic meltdown might have been “entirely” due to deregulation, but said deregulation wasnt “entirely” republican. Get it?
Ill keep bringing up Clinton’s roll in this as long as people continue to ignore it.
The economic meltdown was “enitrely†due to republican deregulation…
The economic meltdown was “enitrely†due to republican’s decades long fetish of deregulation, which they at long last were able to foist on the American public once they finally found a couple Democrats they could snooker into believing them.
Better?
ROLE you mean. No one knew the mess was coming, even in the earliest days of “the bubble” – the principle of deregulation was pursued relentlessly for years by Republicans, and some moderate Democrats, including Clinton back in the 1990s.
Sure he deserves a portion of the blame, but that deregulation contiunued under Bush — to the point where he was appointing people to run agencies that clearly did not belong there due to conflict of interest (e.g. Hank Paulson, who made BILLIONS off the bailouts)
No the only possible redemption for Bush will come if there’s all kinds of international/geo-political stuff we don’t know about that is still secret. Domestically, he was the worst president in modern history. Deal with it and move on.
It does not bother me that Deacon find’s my point of view boring. Many people do. I just think that one ought to follow a minimum of civility when dealing with another person.
This blog is hardly the centerpiece in my life. It does provide an avenue to sample opinion different than my own. I do not see anything to be gained by calling anything different than your point of view as idiotic. Most importantly, it takes the sting out of the word “idiot” which should be reserved for use only seldomly when it really applies.
To take up your point Deacon; let’s talk about the responsibility for the financial crisis. I agree with you that President Clinton played a role by supporting aspects of deregulation which provided opportunities for what was to come. (How forseeable this would be is anogther question; but there was a Washingtonian Magazine article by Senator Byron Dorgan which pretty much hit the nail on the head at the time the bill was being considered. Even with this prescient knowledge, Senator Dorgan was one of only one of nine (I think) Senators who voted to oppose the deregulatory bill).
So, in the over all scheme of things, I would make President Clinton 10% responsible for the bill given what was forseen at the time as the likely outcome. Does that sound about right to you?
I think that my 10% level of responsibility is probably a bit high for President Clinton. Who would have thought that the succeding Administration to pursue such a brain dead regulatory policy? Whould would have thought that a succeding Administration would have recognized the danger so slowly and reacted so late?
Take a few days off from this blog and it takes a while to get back up to speed. The best post I read was from CS:
“Mmmmm Walleye!!!
I pity the fools!”
So true. The fishing was great, and I helped my grandson boat his first walleye. It was a terrific-if cold-weekend on the water.
I read something interesting from CNC:
“adlib asks: “Could it be there’s a time lag between market gains and an increase in employment percentages?â€
There isn’t any correlation let alone causation between the two.
QED”
Actually, adlib, there is a time lag between the two. The stock market and unemployment indices are leading and lagging indicators of the overall economy. As I wrote in an earlier post on this thread, unemployment continues to rise for several months after the stock market bottoms out and starts to rise again. Of course, the big question right now is – Has the market bottomed out? Or is this just a blip on the downhill slide(in which case, we may have to trot out the D word).
I said it was interesting what CNC posted because it IS interesting to read what people think whose sky inn their world apparently isn’t blue(in CNCs case, I’m sure it’s red).
6DJ is still banging the drum on those darn Dems who controlled “3 chambers of 8″ during the reign of W. While true, that would mean the the Repubs controlled 5 of 8 chambers during the same time period. With a Repub in the White House. Gosh, with that kind of majority, you’d think those darn Repubs could have gotten all sorts of things done. Like reduce government spending(nope), reduce the size of government(double nope), or reduce the size of the national debt(nope, 0 for 3).
But let’s focus on that 3 of 8, eh, Jim?
Finally, Deacon doesn’t like the Dead. Wow, man, I’m bummed.
Take a few days off from this blog and it takes a while to get back up to speed. The best post I read was from CS:
“Mmmmm Walleye!!!
I pity the fools!”
So true. The fishing was great, and I helped my grandson boat his first walleye. It was a terrific-if cold-weekend on the water.
I read something interesting from CNC:
“adlib asks: “Could it be there’s a time lag between market gains and an increase in employment percentages?â€
There isn’t any correlation let alone causation between the two.
QED”
Actually, adlib, there is a time lag between the two. The stock market and unemployment indices are leading and lagging indicators of the overall economy. As I wrote in an earlier post on this thread, unemployment continues to rise for several months after the stock market bottoms out and starts to rise again. Of course, the big question right now is – Has the market bottomed out? Or is this just a blip on the downhill slide(in which case, we may have to trot out the D word).
I said it was interesting what CNC posted because it IS interesting to read what people think whose sky inn their world apparently isn’t blue(in CNCs case, I’m sure it’s red).
6DJ is still banging the drum on those darn Dems who controlled “3 chambers of 8″ during the reign of W. While true, that would mean the the Repubs controlled 5 of 8 chambers during the same time period. With a Repub in the White House. Gosh, with that kind of majority, you’d think those darn Repubs could have gotten all sorts of things done. Like reduce government spending(nope), reduce the size of government(double nope), or reduce the size of the national debt(nope, 0 for 3).
But let’s focus on that 3 of 8, eh, Jim?
Finally, Deacon doesn’t like the Dead. Wow, man, I’m bummed.
Ooooops, double post syndrome. Sorry folks. I’m sure once was enough.
I’m beginning to see the logic of nObama stimulus plan to create jobs.
Slowly pump cash into the economy for job creation, setting aside the largest sum till next year or whenever, allowing the banks to stablize, creating a false sense of growth through modest gains in the stockmarket.
Those who have not lost their jobs will see a slight uptick in their portfolios and well hail it a recovery.
But those who have lost their jobs will see no benefit for another year all the while eventually falling off the unemployment benefit roster.
The nObama Planners will the hold this up as a drop in unemployment beneficiaries and with low level service sector jobs as job creation.
Then nObama will then withhold the monies not spent, calling it a surplus.
I think Krugman is correct. To little to late is going to be a drag on the economy for a long time eventually pulling down those who have held on so far.
Give em hell TrueBlue011.
Or something, something.
First off, it was Rush’s show. Secondly, who cares what the source was (though disturbing that it was a CBS guy). Thirdly, who cares if it was supposed to be taken as a joke, it was joking about assassinating political leaders on a show with an audience of 10,000,000.
First off, what does it matter if it was Rush’s show? Do you think Rush controls everything that happens on his show on his off days? I doubt he cares that much. Secondly, it matters who the source is in the same way that it wasn’t you that originally said it. You were quoting Rush(or thought you were). In the same way, Davis was quoting someone else. And the shooting part wasn’t even the point of the quote. Thirdly, it’s still just a joke. Bad taste for putting on ABC or Rush’s show? Sure. But honestly…
History is filled with where this kind of “joking†leads to.
Really? You’re going with that? You think history is full of people being assassinated because someone told a joke?
I hope you contract fatal herpes.
I hope someone puts a couple 38 slugs into your head.
OK, I hope you get cancer and die. I guess that’s better than saying “I hope someone shoots you”. Cancer is a lot more painful…
If you can’t see a difference it’s because you choose not to.
I see the difference. I also see it as a joke. I’ve heard jokes about people killing babies. Those ones are kind of popular with the kids these days. I think they’re disgusting, but I’m not worried that people who hear the joke are going to put a baby in a microwave because they once heard someone tell a joke where that happened.
So like I said, if Pelosi gets shot in an elevator because of this joke, I’ll retract everything I said and take these jokes more seriously. Otherwise, stop using something as lame as this for your political purposes. Especially if you’re not going to call out “your side” for wishing death on others (which, when you think about it, is probably worse than joking about the death of someone).
You know what it’s like Dan? It’s like the sensitivity of the AF One flyover over NY City. It was a terrible idea (and waste of money) and they should have warned NY City. But once it’s all over and it’s explained, is it really necessary to fire a guy? That story was in the news for a week straight. Guy made a mistake. Obviously, it’s not going to happen again. I think he learned the lesson. In the meantime, everyone needs to be a little less sensitive and get over it. Why does someone always have to get fired?
“Mmmmm Walleye!!!”
Thanks Monty. Blog seems to be eating my posts. Maybe I’ll try later.
adlib – I just checked, the sky is still blue. Soon it will be dark though and there is a causation between night and sky color.
“So true. The fishing was great, and I helped my grandson boat his first walleye. It was a terrific-if cold-weekend on the water.”
Thanks Monty, Cherish those moments. It was a fantastic opener. The s lot limits are starting to get to me a little, but we got to keep 9 of 35. Actually we could have kept 10 but one was 29 1/4 and full of eggs(they just won’t let me in the 30+” club yet).
Like I told the boys, I have 21 and 14 yr old daughters.
I’m all about inflicting maximum pain on young males!
The CBO is predicting 2009 deficits 50% higher than its January estimates. The US federal government is borrowing about 1/2 of what it is currently spending!
With the current economic projections of Obama’s policies, I hope the repubs get some great candidates in place for 2010 since they are going to win a lot of races.
“I hope the repubs get some great candidates in place for 2010 since they are going to win a lot of races.”
Why so they can spend money greasing their pals?
When are you people going to realize, they have you exactly where they want you.
Team Red, Team Blue, just sucking the life blood out of you.
“It does not bother me that Deacon find’s my point of view boring. Many people do”
Oh it bothers you …..
Not only boring but predictable. Yes predictable and boring..oh and they are usually idiotic. So yes predictable, boring and idiotic. Oh and they usually suck too. So yes predictable, boring, idiotic and they suck.
You think history is full of people being assassinated because someone told a joke?
History is full of terrible violence against “other” people and humor is often how bigots and racists and power freaks on authoritarian trips pass off their fantasies. When called on their behavior they just have to say, “What? It’s only a joke.” (It’s the key to Rush’s success)
Violence by the less than stable doesn’t just suddenly appear out of nowhere, but gets “normed” by being worked into mainstream societal consciousness until they feel their acting out is acceptable, even noteworthy and courageous behavior. The distance between joking about violence and committing violence is so much thinner than you’re ready to accept.
Case in point, ask yourself, is this funny:
“Trespassers will be shot – survivors will be re-shot – smile I will.”
Wishing violence on people is funny. Except when people start confusing humor with normalcy.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6414373.html
“Except when people start confusing humor with normalcy.”
I’m more worried about it being the other way around.
this is the beginning of the week of regurgitrated butt muffins.
Part 1, stage right-
Cheney, VP Dick Cheney pulled the ropes of the phoney all inclusive big tent of the republican party down tight as a hijab around the old gaurd resulting in galavanting media responses innuendo and glee of the further demise of the republican party.
Part 2, stage left-
The further muckraking of Miss California by the liberal all inclusive tent party of the democrats for her belief that marriage is between a man and a women under the disguise of a contractural dispute.
I laugh out of the right side of my face and laugh out of the left side of my face whilste I sh:t in both general directions of the left and right.
“Case in point, ask yourself, is this funny:
“Trespassers will be shot – survivors will be re-shot – smile I will.—
Oh pleeeeeeease.
My signs read-
Interlopers shall be subject to the fullest extent of the law,
OR,
May be shot on sight.
I reserve the right to deny your right
to a judge and jury.
Signed
Your Excecutioner
“Trespassers will be shot – survivors will be re-shot – smile I will.â€
No, that’s not really funny. Obviously, it was never meant to be a joke. They were serious. It’s a tragic story and the people are obviously nuts.
I’m not sure what your point is. I don’t think they were trying to be funny. I think they’re just fvckin nuts and should rot in jail.
The distance between joking about violence and committing violence is so much thinner than you’re ready to accept.
I disagree. Just because some people who use violence also use violent humor doesn’t mean the line between the two is thin. The other 99.9% of the people who use violent humor never resort to violence.
Case in point, I’ve told and heard a number of racist jokes in my time. Some of them were violent. I’m a far cry from going out and shooting people of different races. Hell, some of them are anti-white jokes. I still find them funny.
When Tiny makes fun of Vomit and stereotypes him as the typical Jew, does that make Tiny a bad person? No. Have a little fun with your race and identity. When Vomit responds with “I pay people to count my money”, we can all have a laugh.
I think I went off topic. Hopefully you see my point though. The space between making a joke about killing a person and actually killing them is about the size of the Grand Canyon. They aren’t even close.
“The distance between joking about violence and committing violence is so much thinner than you’re ready to accept.”
Yeah, thats why the road runner stopped dropping the anvil on the coyote’s head. Kids were dropping hot irons on their mothers because they thought it was funny.
Is anyone else tired of people comparing Guantanamo to nazi death camps and the torture debate to the Holocaust? Ive heard one too many people say we need a contemporary Neuremberg trial for the CIA agents accused of torture.
Not that toprture is right or acceptable, its just a false equivalency in my mind.
(That was a shot out to my main man Dano.)
“The space between making a joke about killing a person and actually killing them is about the size of the Grand Canyon. ”
The space is actually thinner than a lawn mower blade-
“Doyle: What in the hell are you doing with that lawn mower blade?
Karl: I aim to kill you with it. Mmm.”
“So, in the over all scheme of things, I would make President Clinton 10% responsible for the bill given what was forseen at the time as the likely outcome. Does that sound about right to you?”
For each of the two bills he signed, Id give him more than 10%. He and his admin lobbied their Dem cohorts for support, thats worth at least 10% considering he was president. Then he could have not signed the bill, which is worth 10%. Ill give him 20%.
“Not that toprture is right or acceptable, its just a false equivalency in my mind.”
The liberal all inclusive tent party of the democrats revisionist history.
If they called it a swirlie instead of water boarding then 1/2 the senior class, and all of the jocks in any givin high school across this nation would be guilty of torture for christ sake. But then Cartoon Dan would need to admit that future democrats of america are included in that mix.
“Ive heard one too many people say we need a contemporary Neuremberg trial for the CIA agents accused of torture.”
Banana Republic type of sh!t.
Ask a lawyer for an opinion in one administration. If you don’t like it in the next administration put them in jail.
“I’m Chiquita banana and I’ve come to say – Bananas have to ripen in a certain way- When they are fleck’d with brown and have a golden hue – Bananas taste the best and are best for you – You can put them in a salad – You can put them in a pie-aye – Any way you want to eat them – It’s impossible to beat them – But, bananas like the climate of the very, very tropical equator – So you should never put bananas in the refrigerator.”
Music © 1945 Shawnee Press Inc.
Day-o, day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come and he wan’ go home
Day, he say day, he say day, he say day, he say day, he say day-ay-ay-o
Daylight come and he wan’ go home
Work all night on a drink a’rum
(Daylight come and he wan’ go home)
Stack banana till thee morning come
(Daylight come and he wan’ go home)
Come, Mr. Tally Mon, tally me banana
(Daylight come and he wan’ go home)
Come, Mr. Tally Mon, tally me banana
(Daylight come and he wan’ go home)
“It does not bother me that Deacon find’s my point of view boring. Many people do. I just think that one ought to follow a minimum of civility when dealing with another person.
This blog is hardly the centerpiece in my life. It does provide an avenue to sample opinion different than my own. I do not see anything to be gained by calling anything different than your point of view as idiotic. Most importantly, it takes the sting out of the word “idiot†which should be reserved for use only seldomly when it really applies.”
Honest to god True, lighten up. Youre wrapped too tight. Remember that time we talked about a sense of humor and why its important? You might think Im too loose with my rhetoric, but thats mainly because I dont care if I offend you. It doesnt mean Im trying too either. I call my best friends @ssholes and idiots. It doesnt mean anything unless you let it mean something.
What I find boring at times about your takes is that they are predictable. But I guess a self identified liberal with no sense of humor is going to be predictable.
6DJ is still banging the drum on those darn Dems who controlled “3 chambers of 8″ during the reign of W. While true, that would mean the the Repubs controlled 5 of 8 chambers during the same time period. With a Repub in the White House. Gosh, with that kind of majority, you’d think those darn Repubs could have gotten all sorts of things done. Like reduce government spending(nope), reduce the size of government(double nope), or reduce the size of the national debt(nope, 0 for 3).
But let’s focus on that 3 of 8, eh, Jim?
No, but let’s share the blame: only morons would believe this is a problem from one party.
It was a Dem Senate that greenlighted both the budgets and the Repub war in 2002.
It took two parties. Or an I wrong?
By Parth’s illogic, the Repubs didnt even control the Senate in 2003-4 because of only “a 51-49″ membership lead. Right? That is his claim )
The dems stonewalled on Fannie in 2004-5.
We now learn they were front and center on “torture” briefings.
The Obama claim on earmarks? Gone.
500 billion budget deficits from those pesky Repubs in past years. I agree= awful.
Well, the Dems are going to 2 trillion in a year.
The pain is only beginning, and the bluebloods can all laugh it up at the correspondent’s dinner.
Nobody will be laughing next winter.
Guaranteed!
And yes, the Repubs deservingly lost big in the last 2 years. But what goes around will be coming around.
I an with CNC, let’s find some fiscally responsible candidates!!!
Laugh it up, funny boys…….
“What? It’s only a joke.†(It’s the key to Rush’s success)”
If so, do you agree with this?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/05/11/2009-05-11_a_red_herring_called_wanda.html
Deacon,
How is the little one?
By the way, true, calling me a kindergartner and saying my participation is just mental masturbation was hilarious. Uncalled for and certainly not a civil act, but hilarious all the same. Nothing was gained by doing it other than a few laughs, but thats enough of a reason isnt it?
“How is the little one?”
Yeah, the poor little halfbreed.
She’s awesome GO. Its really great. Not at all like MOI described. I didnt loose my mind. My life is certainly different and Im not at all upset about it. Its exactly what I always wanted.
“Yeah, the poor little halfbreed”
That multi culturalism will come in handy down the line.
CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER.
Did you know that Fred “freddie” Jone’s, of Scooby Doo fame, Arch rival when he was a kid was “Red Herring”?
Scary Huh?
“She’s awesome GO.”
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
Enjoy every moment!
“She’s awesome GO.”
Good to hear.
Ya know, my folks had 15 kids and never once gave me a doomsday scenaro when We were expecting our daughter.
And if anyone could, they surely should.
“Did you know that Fred “freddie†Jone’s, of Scooby Doo fame, Arch rival when he was a kid was “Red Herringâ€?”
Say it ain’t so, Go.
“Ya know, my folks had 15 kids”
Does that include your half brother Tiny?
Do ya notice the smell of her head. Kind of like puppies breath but not a cut on your kid. A new borns head, or hair smells sooo good.
“Say it ain’t so, Go.”
Oh its so. 1/2 hour every morning before the school bus arrives “Scooby Doo Kids Mysteries”.
Gotta go, baby time.
“Does that include your half brother Tiny?”
15, not 15 and a 1/2.
If so, do you agree with this?
He said it like I couldn’t.
Seems a little hypocritical Dan, don’t you think?
DJ
Have ya seen the “Boy in the striped pajamas”?
We’re gonna watch it tonight.
Have ya seen the “Boy in the striped pajamas�
What’s that? Never heard of it? My guess is it’s some sort of chick flick?
GO, if you want another good movie that your pretty lady would like, you should see Definitely, Maybe. It’s pretty good.
Deacon wrote:
“By the way, true, calling me a kindergartner and saying my participation is just mental masturbation was hilarious. Uncalled for and certainly not a civil act, but hilarious all the same. Nothing was gained by doing it other than a few laughs, but thats enough of a reason isnt it?”
I thought you might like it.
And, you said that I had no sense of humor…
Before I retire for the evening I just wanted to let Dan know I just saw Obama on Anderson Cooper make a political joke about Dick Cheney shooting people. He said Cheney couldnt be at the White House dinner because he was too busy writing his memoirs, “How to shoot your friends and interogate people”. A joke about shooting people Dan, from the president.
Then Wanda Sykes said Obama was crazy for going out to eat with Biden saying that it was dangerous and that it must have been Pelosi’s idea because she was a Hilary supporter. Another joke about assasination????? False equivalency Dan?
“In you we see a promoter of peace, a great spiritual leader,” said Peres, who also gave [Pope] Benedict a 300,000-word Hebrew text of the Jewish Bible inscribed on a tiny silicon particle, using nanotechnology.
What a strange gift. Does it come with a way to read it?
Rabbi Israel Meir Lau, chairman of Yad Vashem’s board of directors and a former chief rabbi of Israel, called Benedict’s speech at the memorial important but said he also found it lacking.
“There is a clear difference between ‘killed’ and ‘murdered.’ There is a difference between saying millions in the Holocaust and saying six million. The word six was not said,” Lau, himself a Holocaust survivor, told Israel TV.
Is it just me, or is that nitpicking?
parthian says:
May 11th, 2009 at 9:14 am
As to your insistent (if hypocritical) question, 6DJ, we will be in an era of substantial deficits for some time, and most people will not care if they agree with what is being spent on—-if the dollar is not collapsing and if interest rates remain managable, which is likely with the great glut of world savings.
All we can do, given the grossly reckless Repub fiscal mismanagement of the past 8 years and deregulation fever, is to start to move toward a return to (Clintonian) fiscal sanity, while finally spending on what we should have been “buying†over the past 30 years—a period totally wasted as a result of conservative Repub Do Nothingism and Hatred of Demonic (non-military) Gub’mint.
A. Why arent the Dems authorizing a 911 commission to place blame for the deregulation, or lack of Fannie oversight mess?
Gosh, I wonder HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It’s like Obama releasing the interrogation documents, WHOOPS, now we learn Dem leadership was all over the interrogation methods, and funding was continued without a problem.
Laugh it up bluebloods, the economic misery will peak this winter, and people arent happy even now.
Ugly times await.
B. Who doesnt love the DTTM website?
It does allow easy access to federal debt data.
How responsible are our beloved Dem leaders? People crow here…..
From 1/21/01 to 1/20/07
6 years of mostly Repub leadership:
Federal debt increased 2.9 trillion
Ouch! Voted out, and deserved it.
The Dems sweep in….glorious 11/06 election WooHoo. Economic salvation…
1/20/07 to 1/20/09
Federal debt increased 1.9 trillion in just two years!
OUCH!
By next spring, it is projected to be
3.8 trillion in just over 3 years,
1/20/07-4/20/10
MFing–OUCH
These are the people YOU defend:
3.8 trillion in 3+ years. And the USA 10 year budget projections today, POW!
It’s only beginning.
No 911 commission for deregulation abuse? How odd….
Torture posturing? Egg on face.
2.6 million jobs LOST in 4 months?
Painfully ugly.
Oh well, never ‘left’ rhetoric get in the way of facts.
False equivalency Dan?
Yes.
“Yes.”
Left-Nut-Tology.
The ability to remove ones self from the rationalization that true self awareness is acheived through the thought and bodily desire of being- you.
You as an individual entity, devoid of peer or group think dialysis and self loathing metropolis hate towards those that do not necessarily agree but are not hostile to, all that may not be right but unconditionaly has not been proven otherwise.
or….something…..something….stuff……..
Ice chinkeling……pourrrring …….mixerereerererrrer….ahhhhhhh
“Yes.”
Oh, I get it now. When a conservative makes a joke about shooting or assasinating someone its dangerous. When the president or one of his guests makes a joke about shooting or assasinating someone at an official White House function its comedy. Thanks for the explanation Dan.
“I’m all about inflicting maximum pain on young males!”
Agreed, CS. Death to the males. Besides, the 15 to 17 inch fish taste better.
6DJ writes:
“No, but let’s share the blame: only morons would believe this is a problem from one party.
It was a Dem Senate that greenlighted both the budgets and the Repub war in 2002.
It took two parties. Or an I wrong?”
Jim, you are absolutely right. And just as soon as I see you taking the right side of the aisle to task half as much as you take the left, I’ll believe actually mean it.
Because, as you correctly point out, it takes two(in the American system) to tango.
6DJ, you didn’t actually respond to anything I said about the current deficits—you just keep yapping about their size.
But at least you (finally) have conceded that the debt began exploding from 1/01-1/07 under “mostly Repub leadership”. I appreciate your intellectual honesty.
The next advance will be for you to undrstand that the current deficts doesn’t exist in a vacuum—they’re a response to what is happening economically over the past year. Yes, the debt’s increasing–terribly–but there are macroeconomic reasons for it.
We’re in the worst financial crisis since the Depression. As you yourself acknowledge, we’re in an historically bad recession whose severity is caused by Repub deregulation fever: the absurd idea that bankers and financiers (of all people) can be trusted to operate essentially without regulation or oversight, just as they did in the 1920s, when they caused the last great economic catastrophe and contraction.
Hooverite Repubs then wanted to cut gub’mint spending and “balance the budget” during the Great Depression, too. “Conservatives” just never learn.
Macroeconomic theory since then has concluded that in such circumstances we must keep the credit industry afloat and expand government spending to offset the decline in private consumption and investment caused by the current economic contraction. Hence, the government MUST spend, even as its revenues are substantially shrinking.
Thus we have had a $200 billion stimulus package in Jan 2008, a housing bailout of $300 billion in July, a Wall Street/Bank bailout of $700 billion in Oct, bailouts of individual firms like AIG of around $250 billion in the past few months, and a new stimulus package of $780 billion in March.
That’s what’s causing all the big deficit numbers you’re throwing around, as if these are completely unnecessary expenditures (like Iraq or permanent tax cuts for the rich).
This means we must borrow even more, after years of borrowing to fund the “conservative” regime of tax cuts for the rich, militarism and wars of choice everywhere. We got nothing whatever for the money borrowed for these Repub projects—unlike now, when we must have the government borrow more to have any hope of saving the “free market” (ha-ha) economy.
And it may not even work. But it’s all we can do, even if the Bushco Binge has increased the risk of more borrowing substantially, having wasted trillions and trillions of our credit from 1/01-1/07 as you noted.
So you need to look at what the money causing the deficits was spent on. And of course, you don’t say squat about what to do.
Now, what deficit-related “pain” are you predicting by this winter and what “misery” are you envisioning? It’s fun to use inflammatory words, but you have to give readers some idea of what specifically you mean by them.
““Ya know, my folks had 15 kidsâ€
Does that include your half brother Tiny? ”
Went over to GO’s about 5 am once( I think that’s when we where cleaning those air conditioners in apartment buildings in the cities. Folks I got some stories I can tell Ya about that summer job )the night after a tornado warning and here are all these bodies laying in sleeping bags on the living room floor.
6DJ, you didn’t actually respond to anything I said about the current deficits—you just keep yapping about their size.
But at least you (finally) have conceded that the debt began exploding from 1/01-1/07 under “mostly Repub leadership”. I appreciate your intellectual honesty.
The next advance will be for you to understand that the current deficts doesn’t exist in a vacuum—they’re a response to what is happening economically over the past year. Yes, the debt’s increasing–terribly–but there are macroeconomic reasons for it.
We’re in the worst financial crisis since the Depression. As you yourself acknowledge, we’re in an historically bad recession whose severity is caused by Repub deregulation fever: the absurd idea that bankers and financiers (of all people) can be trusted to operate essentially without regulation or oversight, just as they did in the 1920s, when they caused the last great economic catastrophe and contraction.
Hooverite Repubs back then wanted to cut gub’mint spending and “balance the budget” during the Great Depression, too. “Conservatives” just never learn.
Macroeconomic theory since then has concluded that in such circumstances we must keep the credit industry afloat and expand government spending to offset the decline in private consumption and investment caused by the current economic contraction. Hence, the government MUST spend, even as its revenues are substantially shrinking.
Thus we have had a $200 billion stimulus package in Jan 2008, a housing bailout of $300 billion in July, a Wall Street/Bank bailout of $700 billion in Oct, bailouts of individual firms like AIG of around $250 billion in the past few months, and a new stimulus package of $780 billion in March.
That’s what’s causing all the big deficit numbers you’re throwing around, as if these are completely unnecessary expenditures (like Iraq or permanent tax cuts for the rich).
This means we must borrow even more, after years of borrowing to fund the “conservative” regime of tax cuts for the rich, militarism and wars of choice everywhere. We got nothing whatever for the money borrowed for these Repub projects—unlike now, when we must have the government borrow more to have any hope of saving the “free market” (ha-ha) economy.
And it may not even work. But it’s all we can do, even if the Bushco Binge has increased the risk of more borrowing substantially, having wasted trillions and trillions of our credit from 1/01-1/07 as you noted.
So you need to look at what the money causing the deficits was spent on. And of course, you don’t say squat about what to do.
Now, what deficit-related “pain” are you predicting by this winter and what “misery” are you envisioning? It’s fun to use inflammatory words, but you have to give readers some idea of what specifically you mean by them.
sorry gang–I thought the post has been rejected.
My bad.
Have ya seen the “Boy in the striped pajamas�
What’s that? Never heard of it? My guess is it’s some sort of chick flick?
I just saw it this weekend.
It’s about the young son of an Auschwitz commandante, who develops a friendship with a boy his age in the camp.
It’s worth watching.
Please don’t say “my bad” again. Thank you.
“the absurd idea that bankers and financiers (of all people) can be trusted to operate essentially without regulation or oversight, just as they did in the 1920s, when they caused the last great economic catastrophe and contraction.”
If you want a better case study to understand what happend to cause this current recession, Id study the Bank Panic of 1907, not the stock market crash of 1929.
“Macroeconomic theory since then has concluded that in such circumstances we must keep the credit industry afloat and expand government spending to offset the decline in private consumption and investment caused by the current economic contraction.”
Personally, I think people who agree that this theory is the correct way to go, and it might be, dont take into account to a high enough degree the defecits weve been running prior to the recession and the coming social program costs that must be covered. Im worried about the $$$ bubble thats coming and what that means to the baby boomers, medicare and medicaid and social security. Its a huge gamble to take so you can replace current agregate demand. Im not sure how wise it is in the long run. We’ll see.
Trump says Miss California USA can retain crown…in exchanged for..giggity giggity
Oh, I get it now. When a conservative makes a joke about shooting or assasinating someone its dangerous. When the president or one of his guests makes a joke about shooting or assasinating someone at an official White House function its comedy. Thanks for the explanation Dan.
I assume you’re being purposely dense for the sake of argument, because to compare a conservative (CBS – repeated to 10,000,000 via Rush’s show) who was stating that any US military person given the chance would assassinate the speak of the house and leader of the senate is the same as making a joke about avoiding Cheney WHO DID SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE FACE is a strain even for a desperate radical moderate in need of their false equivalency fix.
Im only comparing the jokes. Nothing more. Wanda Sykes told an assasination joke and Obama told a shooting joke. I assume your being paranoid because thats your natural state.
Here’s one for ya Danno.
How about Wanda Sykes joke? Im sure after it has been repeated several times on AC360 and the internet 10,000,000 have heard it, equal to the number of people who’ve heard the Rush joke.
In the ninth circle of Hell, just between the usurers and the winged demon Satan flapping his wings in that frozen pond, lies a self-important little coffee house full of nerds who vote on each other’s poetry, which is universally awful.
The Obamas will bring a slice of this Hell to their own home tonight, when they host the first-ever White House Poetry Slam.
Why does Barack Obama hate America so much?
-cnpod
“How about Wanda Sykes joke? Im sure after it has been repeated several times on AC360″
I’m not saying anything but I am saying something.
Bugs me to no end that this Anderson Cooper isn’t what he seems. He’s a damn Vanderbilt for Christ shake. I would assume from what I keep hearing that would make him a snot nosed rich kid…wouldn’t it? Tough upbringing that must have been.
Does Anderson “feel Americas pain” ?
Oh thats second only to when I see Tim Russert’s kid on the news. Jesus H. Christ….
20 more years of this sh^t and hopefully I’ll be the home. Never visited by my damn kid but oblivious to anything else.
I mean can Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt relate to me?
Does Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt know what its like to eat Baloney sandwiches and Cream Corn for lunch every day?
Does Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt know what it like to have to crawl on your hands and knees searching through the carpet to find a gone astray bud….
Interesting points, deacon.
One of the great lunacies of the Bush Tax Cuts was the completely duplicitous ignoring of the coming retirement of the Baby Boomers and their ocean of SS benefits. Instead we heard nothing but “surpluses as far as the eye can see!” “It’s YOUR money!” “Gub’mint shouldn’t run surpluses!”, etc, etc, from the “conservatives” during Bush’s campaign.
This was grossly irresponsible fiscal policy in the face of the baby boomer retirement, literally lying to the foolish populace. And the Repubs knew it. Greenspan knew it. Then the “conservatives” undertook a major aggressive war of choice to boot!
I ultimately come down to supporting (most of) the economic actions taken so far (mostly by the Dems) because they are based on what is prescribed by conventional macroeconomic theory, especially when monetary policy has reached its end point of 0% interest rates. The alternative is an even more massive immediate contraction of GDP and wealth.
But we are going to butt up against just how much this country can borrow to do save itself. And I blame (mostly) the Repubs for that, for the financial crisis and for the severity of the recession.
The conservative movement (personified by BushCheney) with its black/white ideological, fact-free, faith-based economic creeds has been a national disaster. Returning to pragmatism and regulation is not a corresponding swing to “soc*alism”, no matter how much loons like Glenn Beck scream it (and no, I’m not saying you are claiming it is).
I’ve looked around on the floor for a lost bud.
Hey I bet even Vanderbilt kids do if they’ve smoked their whole bag and their guy isn’t answering his pager.
I only see cable news when I’m traveling but the first time I saw Anderson Cooper my immediate thought was, wow, whatta whore. Haven’t thought about him since. Really all those cable news/talk radio types on both sides are whores if you ask me. Maddow, Limbaugh, Matthews, O’reilly, all of ‘em. Like Tony Soprano’s boys would say, a buncha hoo-whuhs.
Nancy Grace? hoo-wuh.
Geraldo? hoo to the wuh he’s a hoo-wuh.
They’re just giving it to their customers just the way they like it for money. Why persevorate about it though?
I just change the channel.
“The alternative is an even more massive immediate contraction of GDP and wealth.”
Im not convinced this isnt the best thing in the long run for the country and world for many reasons. I think we’ve developed an unrealistic expectation for what is possible financially and what should be expected going forward. People talk about the paradox of thrift. Its only a paradox if you think going back to the consumer cultre of the past is a legitimate goal. I think long term, more savings and less consumption is a noble goal for the country to pursue.
Taking the risk of having an insolvent social services network tomorrow and creating a potential cash bubble to replace consumer confidence and spending habits today is not a slam dunk for me. Its okay to look at Keynsian theory for economic crisis in the classroom or on a blog. Its also okay to talk about the magic hand resetting the economic equilirbium in a vaccum when your job isnt in danger.
But you have to take all variables into account and I think people on both sides of the issue are ignoring pertenant details.
I assume you’re being purposely dense for the sake of argument, because to compare a conservative (CBS – repeated to 10,000,000 via Rush’s show) who was stating that any US military person given the chance would assassinate the speak of the house and leader of the senate is the same as making a joke about avoiding Cheney WHO DID SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE FACE is a strain even for a desperate radical moderate in need of their false equivalency fix
Typical MediaMatters blather that assumes anyone two centimeters to the right of their approved position couldn’t possibly be smart enough to understand the difference between a joke and a suggestion.
I mean can Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt relate to me?
If I can relate to you, anyone can.
Does Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt know what its like to eat Baloney sandwiches and Cream Corn for lunch every day?
Which correctional facility did you reside in. NYC DOC baloney wasn’t half bad.
Does Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt know what it like to have to crawl on your hands and knees searching through the carpet to find a gone astray bud….
I had a friend with a bit of a crack problem, who would spend hours on his hands and knees, picking every white fleck from the carpet, and attempting to smoke it. It was a lot of fun to take a container of baking soda and sprinkle in a circle around him. Kept him very busy.
It was also fun to tell him you could hear sirens.
“I think long term, more savings and less consumption is a noble goal for the country to pursue.”
Great post Deacon, but I especially like the above quote. Essentially, Americans need to reassess their expectation that the economy will always expand, both as consumers and as commerical enterprises.
Problem is, no one seems to be taking the long view these days. One could make a case for some of Os initiatives as geared for the long term(health care reform, green industrial investment), but given what’s been coming out of Congress lately, I doubt we’ll actually see a vision of the future enacted in law by those bozos.
The problem, Monty, is that in this crisis, the people who first failed to take the long view was the bankers. It was the banking community which lead the charge for the deregulation of the banking industry. It was the banking industry the lobbied the Bush Administration and the Congress to take those nasty bank regulators off the banker’s backs so that the markets could work their magic.
It was magic all right; and, thirty trillion dollars went poof in the process.
Please don’t say “my bad†again
Parthian’s bad.
In the ninth circle of Hell, just between the usurers and the winged demon Satan flapping his wings in that frozen pond, lies a self-important little coffee house full of nerds who vote on each other’s poetry, which is universally awful.
Ahahahaha!!! I hate poetry.
I assume you’re being purposely dense for the sake of argument
Funny, I was thinking you are just dense.
True, we arent talking about cause, we are talking about the fix. If you want to think about short term returns to unsustainable consumption and a negative savings rate thats your right. But I wouldnt make that choice out of spite because you think the banking industires lack of foresight entitles you to be equally foolish.
I’ll agree that short term profiteering trumped long term vision in the financial industry, True. I also agree with Deacon and others who point out that deregulation efforts and lack of oversight in said industries emanated from both sides of the aisle, although I feel the deregulation drive has been spearheaded by the right.
But it is what it is right now. Where do we go from here? Americans are presented with a historic opportunity in the current crisis – same old, same old or a new direction? People generally hate change until they are pushed out of their comfort zone. I believe we are now outside that comfort zone for many Americans.
Congress and the banks may have colluded to set the stage for greed to run wild, but don’t forget all the other guilty parties whose greed ran wild. Just because you set the stage doesn’t mena the players are going to play on it.
You have mortg@ge brokers helping nitwits take out liar lo@ns.
You have appraisers giving inflated appraisals so the mortg@ge brokers keep calling them back.
You have real estate speculators.
You have investment banks and fannies and freddies bundling junk debt into securities. Then you have credit rating outfits like S&P giving A+ ratings to those piles of garbage debt.
Lotsa culpability all around.
My concern about trying to borrow and spend our way out of it is if you create too much more currency out of nowhere, currency itself may become worthless, or we could end up at war with China or something when they try to play repo man.
Frickin awesome. It’s about a month later than I would have preferred, but better late than never.
Im only comparing the jokes. Nothing more. Wanda Sykes told an assasination joke
“I hope his (a shock jock who specializes in dehumanizing his opponents) kidneys fail?” That’s an assassination joke on par with “every member of the military given the chance would put a bullet into or strangle the house and senate leaders”?
Is everyone incapable of understanding that germs and viruses don’t have the same ability to respond to even “joking” eliminationist requests (i.e. “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest”) that people who’d been making a run on ammunition the last three months have? Is this seriously over your head, or are you just that eager (bored?) that you have to try and dig that deep for the “moderate” position on anything I say?
Typical MediaMatters blather that assumes anyone two centimeters to the right…
First, I would think you’d be at least a little more vigilant when people are making these kinds of mass media ‘dog whistle’ call out’s to violence.
How long do you tolerate this kind of rhetoric before you speak out against it? Do you measure it in how many people have to be killed before you’ll say something is inappropriate to peddled by mass market personalities?
History hasn’t been kind to those that assumed people couldn’t possibly NOT be smart enough to understand the difference between a joke and a suggestion.
Or is it a case of “and I didn’t speak up because Media Matters is teh suck”?
Ahahahaha!!! I hate poetry
http://bukowski.net/database/display_man.php?show=poem1979-06-28-the_nine_horse.jpg
Minnesota man, woman in their 60s nabbed in pot-growing bust
OK, where’s Greg?
“I hope his (a shock jock who specializes in dehumanizing his opponents) kidneys fail?†That’s an assassination joke on par with “every member of the military given the chance would put a bullet into or strangle the house and senate leaders�
Not the joke I was refering to. I was referring to the joke she told where Biden and Obama are killed by Pelosi.
So let me get this straight; we can not spend what we need in order to provide employment opportunities for the poor so that the rich bankers/financial services folks, who made out like bandits in the last 10 years, will not have to pay more in taxes.
The problem with this is that it flies in the face of economic reality. The very top income earners in the United States have seen their incomes double while the average Joe has either remained stagnent or lost ground since 1980 (remember the Reagan revolution).
The reason why we need to spend to increase economic activity is to give the little guy a fair shot at a decent standard of living for at least the next 4 – 5 years. Not to do so, to protect the financial interests which formulated the strategy that undermined our economy, is simply unconscienable. It is morally wrong.
Finally, we know we can sustain this sort of debt burden for a short period of time until we can begin to pay down the debt because we have done it before. Our National Debt situation was worse coming out of WW II and yet we not only weathered that problem; but proceeded into the 1950s which saw one of the greatest across the board growth in national income in our history.
But, that was when banks acted like banks and the banking industry was profitable but boring.
“I hope his (a shock jock who specializes in dehumanizing his opponents) kidneys fail?†That’s an assassination joke on par with “every member of the military given the chance would put a bullet into or strangle the house and senate leaders�
Not the joke I was refering to. I was referring to the joke she told where Biden and Obama are killed by Pelosi.
“Is everyone incapable of understanding that germs and viruses don’t have the same ability to respond to even “joking†eliminationist requests (i.e. “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priestâ€) that people who’d been making a run on ammunition the last three months have?”
Whatever chicken little. Tell ya’ what. When there is a politcally motivated assasination by a conservative, rush following gun nut, Ill tell you, you were right. Until then youre paranoid.
“So let me get this straight; we can not spend what we need in order to provide employment opportunities for the poor so that the rich bankers/financial services folks, who made out like bandits in the last 10 years, will not have to pay more in taxes.”
Nope. But Im not suprised thats how you would interpret it. Im saying we need to have a come to Jesus moment on what our consumption habits mean for the future of our country. Look at how we consume to other developed nations. You want to go back to that and borrow to get it done. I say we need to develop a society and a culture that depends less on unsustainable consumer spending to survive. You cant borrow and spend your way out of a systemic problem caused in large part by borrowing and spending. At least I dont think you can. But it sure as hell sells well on TV.
First, I would think you’d be at least a little more vigilant when people are making these kinds of mass media ‘dog whistle’ call out’s to violence.
If I saw it as a call out to violence, I’d be more viligant, but it’s an obvious joke.
How long do you tolerate this kind of rhetoric before you speak out against it? Do you measure it in how many people have to be killed before you’ll say something is inappropriate to peddled by mass market personalities?
When you start seeing people killed, and it’s directly attributible to the words of mass-market personalities, let me know.
History hasn’t been kind to those that assumed people couldn’t possibly NOT be smart enough to understand the difference between a joke and a suggestion.
“History hasn’t been kind to those that assumed people couldn’t possibly NOT be smart enough to understand the difference between a joke and a suggestion.”
P A R A N O I D………..
http://www.startribune.com/local/44795272.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUJ
I wonder if this includes all the same benefits of marriage.
How long do you tolerate this kind of rhetoric before you speak out against it?
When the people on George Carlin’s “list of people that ought to be killed” start turning up dead.
History hasn’t been kind to those that assumed people couldn’t possibly NOT be smart enough to understand the difference between a joke and a suggestion.
So we need to censor the media? How do we stop people from telling that joke? People like you spread that stuff on the internet more than conservatives I bet. I probably never would have heard about it unless you brought it up.
You guys see this quote from Jesse about waterboarding on Larry King last night? I miss the original governator:
“It’s drowning,” he said. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning.” Ventura said he knows because he was subjected to waterboarding as part of his military training. “I’ll put it to you this way: You give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.”
If I heard Media Matters speak up against the Vanguard News Network or Stormfront one one thousanth as many times as they do with Limbaugh or Beck, I’d be able to take them seriously.
Instead, they choose to dilute the word “hate” to such a level that I can’t take them seriously. They’re not media watchdogs, just whiners.
“Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?”
-King Henry II, circa 1170.
I don’t think he was joking.
Wanda Sykes was clearly joking, except, well, I think she really does want to see Limbaugh waterboarded. Myself, I want to see Cheney waterboarded. Ya’know, so he can show us all it’s really not torture. Let’s end the debate already.
Let’s end the debate already.
That doesn’t sound like much fun…
“It’s drowning,†he said. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning.â€
Its nasty no doubt about it and we shouldnt be engaged in it. But Auschwitz it aint.
“Wanda Sykes was clearly joking, except, well, I think she really does want to see Limbaugh waterboarded.”
How about when she suggested Obama and Biden going to lunch together was Pelosi’s idea so that they would be vulnerable to an assasination attempt? Was that a joke too?
Not the joke I was refering to. I was referring to the joke she told where Biden and Obama are killed by Pelosi.
Link?
Tell ya’ what. When there is a politcally motivated assasination by a conservative, rush following gun nut, Ill tell you, you were right.
When you start seeing people killed, and it’s directly attributible to the words of mass-market personalities, let me know.
The Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting was a politically motivated fatal shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States, on July 27, 2008. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.
“During the interview Adkisson stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them into office.”
The following books were found in Adkisson’s home during a police search:
* Liberalism is a Mental Disorder by radio talk show host Michael Savage
* Let Freedom Ring: Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism by talk show host Sean Hannity
* The O’Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad, and the Completely Ridiculous in American Life by television talk show host Bill O’ReillyIn his letter, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate, and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.
You could always explain to the surviving families that he just didn’t understand the joke.
“You could always explain to the surviving families that he just didn’t understand the joke.”
P A R A N O I D……….
Have Hannity and Oreily told people to commit murder?
“* Liberalism is a Mental Disorder by radio talk show host Michael Savage
* Let Freedom Ring: Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism by talk show host Sean Hannity
* The O’Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad, and the Completely Ridiculous in American Life by television talk show host Bill O’Reilly”
If I heard Media Matters speak up against the Vanguard News Network or Stormfront one one thousanth as many times as they do with Limbaugh or Beck, I’d be able to take them seriously.
Then you might prefer this site:
h-ttp://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
He does as good a job covering that beat (and has several good books on the subject) as anyone. Media Matters mission is focused on monitoring the mainstream press, while Neiwert does a good job of tracking various memes evolution from the Stormfronts to the more sanitized (mainstreamed) variants.
Remember to alway check on what Dan omits.
Additionally, one of Adkisson’s former wives had been a member (in the 1990s) of the church where the attack occurred.[9]
Adkisson’s letter[10] also cited the inability to find a job, and that his food stamps were being cut.
“Link?”
Google: Wanda Sykes White House Dinner Biden Obama Burger Pelosi Hillary Supporter
“You just hang out. I think you hang out too much. What was that, you and Joe Biden out getting a hamburger? The two of you can’t hang out together. I mean, whose idea was that, Nancy Pelosi’s: ‘Hey, Why don’t you boys go out and get a bite?’â€
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22322.html
Check the video on You Tube. There was more to it than this.
“Remember to alway check on what Dan omits.”
Started doing that after I checked in to his ‘Fox sued so it can legally lie’ conspiracy.
Media Matters mission is focused on monitoring the mainstream press
No, Media Matters mission is focused on monitoring right-wing press.
How about when she suggested Obama and Biden going to lunch together was Pelosi’s idea so that they would be vulnerable to an assasination attempt? Was that a joke too?
Link?
When there is a politcally motivated assasination by a conservative, rush following gun nut, Ill tell you, you were right.
Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target… children in church.
Rationalizing murder now because it doesn’t meet your strict definition of “politically motivated assassination.” How… nice.
Not that I ever thought you had any capability of holding to you word without going into gymnastics to avoid the appearance of being wrong about anything.
Have Hannity and Oreily told people to commit murder?
Do you have any idea what eliminationist rhetoric is? Do you know what’s meant by the term “dog whistle?” Well Jim David Adkisson apparently does.
“Do you have any idea what eliminationist rhetoric is? Do you know what’s meant by the term “dog whistle?†Well Jim David Adkisson apparently does.”
Dan, youre paranoid. And yes I get the neat little dog whistle bit. Its cute. Conservative media sends out ‘coded’ messages, the dog whistle, and the nuts (dogs) pick it up and respond. So you’ve now got Savage, Oreilly and hannity and countless others working together and wrapped up in your ‘eliminationist’ conspiracy theory because ONE guy lost it? Im sure he was a rational guy and read a book by Oreilly, picked up the whistle and went out and shot up a church. Could it possibly be the sickness of this crazy person causing the damage and not the books? What crap do you think they found in Ted Bundy’s room? Maybe a few Playboys? You think they turned him into a homocidal rapist because Playboy sends out a dog whistle to men to rap? There have been a few femanists that have made that connection. Political books and Porn dont make people kill and rape. Craziness does. If Oreilly and Hannity never wrote one word this nut would still be killing folks.
So what’s your solution Dan? Let me guess, take off Rush, Beck, and every other right-wing talk show host and replace them with the likes of Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, and Air America Radio.
Maybe AM radio should just be outlawed?
Where’s your outrage about the Syke’s jokes? Doesn’t fit so well into your left-wing rant, does it? And the Democratic leader just sat there and laughed as terrible, crime-inspiring jokes were being told. Unbelieveable…
Bottom line you cant prove that this guy Atkinson didnt have these feelings about liberals all his life before he ever read these books. Have you read them? I already know you admittedly dont watch the shows and are unqualified to give a personal critique on their content. You cant prove he was influenced to murder by any of these News personalities. All you can prove is that he had their books.
The difference between me and you on this issue is you see the conservative media dilberatly causing unstable people to murder. I see unstable people who are going to murder anyway with or without the media.
dilberatly?
Typed a little fast on that one.
Adkisson’s letter[10] also cited the inability to find a job, and that his food stamps were being cut.
And he clearly blamed Democrats for that.
Started doing that after I checked in to his ‘Fox sued so it can legally lie’ conspiracy.
They had a whistle blower suit dismissed because they got the FCC to declare them exempt from telling the truth, and as such there was no “whistle blower” protection for the reporters they fired over their blowing the cover on a bogus news report. Your point?
dilberatly?
Typed a little fast on that one.
Light speed?
And he clearly blamed Democrats for that.
Dan, no one is defending what the guy did. He’s nuts. There’s no justification for what he did.
Much like D2, he came up with a way to blame everything on Democrats.
Let’s hope D2 never loses his job…
“They had a whistle blower suit dismissed because they got the FCC to declare them exempt from telling the truth”
Wrong. Re read the Judges statement in the decission. Your clearly lying.
Where’s your outrage about the Syke’s jokes? Doesn’t fit so well into your left-wing rant, does it?
Wishing kidney failure on an entertainer and admitting that Obama and Biden are at risk of assignation, against saying any member of the military would assassinate our political leaders if given the chance.
Yeah, same thing.
The difference between me and you on this issue is…
I have no tolerance for eliminationist rhetoric and call it out where I see it, and you want a higher body count (though “crazy people are crazy people” – so who cares if they’re being told liberals are vermin to be eliminated) before you’ll suggest maybe it should be ratcheted down a notch.
That’s the real difference.
“Yeah, same thing.”
Maybe not but its fun to give you sh:t.
” I have no tolerance for eliminationist rhetoric and call it out where I see it, and you want a higher body count (though “crazy people are crazy people†– so who cares if they’re being told liberals are vermin to be eliminated) before you’ll suggest maybe it should be ratcheted down a notch.”
I dont see ONE crazy guy with some Sean Hannity and Bill Oreilly books in his house as proof of a conservative eliminastionist conspiracy. Do you have any examples of Oreilly and Hannity advocating murder of liberals? Not some Dog Whistle crap? Anything more concreate than playing Hannity’s spoken word book CD backwards? “Get the gun, get the gun shoot shoot shoot, get the gun, get the gun…..”
I have no tolerance for eliminationist rhetoric and call it out where I see it, and you want a higher body count
Actually, I think you want a higher body count. That would make you look a lot better. But you find one nutjob who owned a Savage book and you think it proves your point.
Then you might prefer this site
Thanks, I’ll check it out. The SPLC does a good job of monitoring the real hate grops, too.
The following books were found in Adkisson’s home during a police search
I search of my home would uncover a KKK membership medallion, but that doesn’t make me a member. Someone gave it to me as a…..joke.
I’m pretty sure the Klan would stamp REJECTED in big red letters on my membership application.
Re read the Judges statement in the decission. Your clearly lying.
Maybe you can show us where this is a lie:
In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.
True or false:
After a five-week trial and six hours of deliberation which ended August 18, 2000, a Florida state court jury unanimously determined that Fox “acted intentionally and deliberately to falsify or distort the plaintiffs’ news reporting on BGH.” In that decision, the jury also found that Jane’s threat to blow the whistle on Fox’s misconduct to the FCC was the sole reason for the termination… and the jury awarded $425,000 in damages which makes her eligible to apply for reimbursement for all court costs, expenses and legal fees.
This from the appeal:
While WTVT has raised a number of challenges to the judgment obtained by Akre, we need not address each challenge because we find as a threshold matter that Akre failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower’s statute. The portion of the whistle-blower’s statute pertinent to this appeal prohibits retaliation against employees who have “[d]isclosed, or threatened to disclose,†employer conduct that “is in violation of†a law, rule, or regulation. § 448.102(1)(3). The statute defines a “law, rule or regulation†as “includ[ing] any statute or . . . any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to any federal, state, or local statute or ordinance applicable to the employer and pertaining to the business.†§ 448.101(4), Fla. Stat. (1997). We agree with WTVT that the FCC’s policy against the intentional falsification of the news – which the FCC has called its “news distortion policy†– does not qualify as the required “law, rule, or regulation†under section 448.102.
http://www.2dca.org/opinion/February 14, 2003/2D01-529.pdf
The underlying FACT of the matter is that FOX purposely sought to distort the news and pressured the reporters to falsify their reports.
Actually, I think you want a higher body count.
In the same way you rejoice at a higher abortion rate.
What are you talking about? I’m not anti-abortion for political purposes. I think it’s wrong and I get no pleasure from it. The abortion rate is high enough that it doesn’t matter if I say 50 million babies have died or 60 million babies have died.
In fact, if it was only 1 baby that had died, more people would feel the same way as I do about that abortion. I would feel much better about that.
Fvcker.
monty says:
May 11th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Ooooops, double post syndrome. Sorry folks. I’m sure once was enough.
Re. QED. That part bears repeating. CNC could read it twice and think again.
Cash N. Carey says:
May 11th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
adlib – I just checked, the sky is still blue. Soon it will be dark though and there is a causation between night and sky color.
And so it was, yesterday about this time. Looks a lttle grayer this p.m. Cloudcover has even been known to have an effect simulating nightfall. In Oregon the skies may yet be blue at this hour. I’m glad you have an eye to see it. In the land of the blind you may yet be king.
Long live the king!
I’m going to change my handle to “General Douchbaggery” for all the douchenozzlocity going on here today.
P A R A N O I D………..
Finished with my woman
’cause she couldn’t help me with my mind
People think I’m insane
because I am frowning all the time
DJ says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
dilberatly?
Typed a little fast on that one.
Light speed?
Light speed. In my opinion the difference between SF and fantasy genre of fiction. Every story observing that travel speed limit is (potentially)
science fiction. Not Star Trek though.
Every tale exceeding it is fantasy. i.e. “Nothing can touch my 409. Does zero to Warp 10 in six nano seconds.”
“Minnesota man, woman in their 60s nabbed in pot-growing bust
OK, where’s Greg?”
Good point, maybe this is Greg. It would explain his liberalism.
Tiny called this one a couple days ahead of the new cycle. Nice going.
“It’s drowning,†he said. “It gives you the complete sensation that you are drowning.†Ventura said he knows because he was subjected to waterboarding as part of his military training. “I’ll put it to you this way: You give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.â€
The only ones who should caused to endure waterboarding are the ones who deny that it is torture. OF course it is only really torture if you don’t trust your questioner.
Ventura is a fruitcake.
“Ventura said he knows because he was subjected to waterboarding as part of his military training.”
So I guess waterboarding is safe enough to use on our own soldiers for training, but to cruel to use on Muslim terrorists who want us all dead? Waterboarding has probably saved thousands of innocent American lives while killing or harming zero terrorists.
dare2sayit.com says:
OK, where’s Greg?â€
Should be along anytime now.
Foul weather’s good for blogging.
“So I guess waterboarding is safe enough to use on our own soldiers for training, but to cruel to use on Muslim terrorists who want us all dead?”
That’s what Ventura was saying. It was torture even though he reasoned the trainers weren’t going to kill him.
“That’s what Ventura was saying. It was torture even though he reasoned the trainers weren’t going to kill him.”
I think cutting off fingers, getting high voltage shocks, and getting burned is torture, not getting water up your nose.
Guess what! The Star Tribune newpaper’s comment section/blog banned me from future comments. These guys allow liberals to say the nastiest things about Michele Bachmann who are much more offensive than my comments, but they seem to escape the Strib’s punishment of conservatives. I am going to cancel my daily and Sunday subscription and encourage others to do the same if the don’t fix this.
“It was torture even though he reasoned the trainers weren’t going to kill him.”
WaterBoarding = High School swirlie =
reasoning the jocks weren’t going to kill him.
What did you say to get banned from the comments section, D2? I’ve seen some some obscenely bad posts there, but in the comments section they don’t seem to matter unless other commenters flag your posts. Almost like “Survivor” clan councils where you get voted off.
On the topic of the press dinner and all the jokes-
Frickin hillarious.
Jokes are Jokes are Jokes.
It just too bad the left and right can’t take em as well as they give em.
and as far as that goes, its too bad the whites and blacks and hispanics and orientals and catholics and protestants and muslims and jews and your mama and your cousin and joe sister and your homos and your breeders and…………
can’t take em as well as they give em.
“I think cutting off fingers, getting high voltage shocks, and getting burned is torture, not getting water up your nose.”
Burning and mutilation are undeniably torture. High voltage shocks are arguably therapy. But suffocation and drowning have to rank among the worst experiences.
“It’s worth watching.”
Vomit,
It is indeed. Very powerful. Very powerful stuff for sure.
“The Boy in the striped Pajamas” if anyone is interested.
Definitely not a cick flik, DJ.
“But suffocation and drowning have to rank among the worst experiences.”
Adlib,
remember ninty nine ninty nines? Or One two threes.
Ninty Nine Ninty nines is when your older brother sits on you chest, pinning your arms under the weight of his knees and proceeds to knock on your chest ninty nine times.
One Two Threes is when your older brother sits on you chest, pinning your arms under the weight of his knees and proceeds to pull out your hair one at a time.
I would rate these among the worst, above a swirlie anyday.
“Ninty Nine Ninty nines is when your older brother sits on you chest,…”
I take it you were the younger brother? As the older brotherI led a more sheltered life perhaps. But,as the song goes, Hell is for Children. Maybe my younger brothers remember me differently, but my job as I saw it was not to let some other kid do that to my brothers.
Definitely not a cick flik, DJ.
I’ll have to check that out.
parthian says:
6DJ, you didn’t actually respond to anything I said about the current deficits—you just keep yapping about their size.
The next advance will be for you to understand that the current deficts doesn’t exist in a vacuum—they’re a response to what is happening economically over the past year. Yes, the debt’s increasing–terribly–but there are macroeconomic reasons for it.
Jim says:
Oh, I understand.
the past year? How about 3?
Let’s see….
Dems elected 11/06 to Congress=
craft budgets in 2007
craft budgets in 2008
2009 and beyond–Red ink as big and as far as the eye can see…….
I guess I am confused Parth, arent you agreeing with me? )
The Dems were making budgets and vouching for Fannie’s solvency LONG before the collapse.
As per the DTTM website:
deficit in calendar 2006–500 bil
deficit in calendar 2007–500 bil
deficit in calendar 2008–1,500 bil
calendar 2009—Ouch
And no, the spending doesnt have to zoom, that was the big TARP argument last fall:
AIG, Fannie, GM–total waste of money.
banks–let the big ones fail
One company’s demise will benefit its competitors:
MetLife, USAA, WellsFargo, Ford
Raise big revenue on user’s tax? Sure, it can be done, and in a way people can choose not to consume or pay, just like cigarette taxes:
i.e. The Krauthammer plan now pushing 10 years old and was to set a benchmark gas price, ie 4.00 per gallon and control demand thru our tax system rather than OPEC’s policy. We get the revenue monsoon, rather than Mideast losers.
Monty:
You must have missed the fact i didnt support incumbent Norm, or doofus McCain. Anything else I should do to eschew the righties who have failed us?
How about those on the left, see much criticism from that side on these pages?
One might think a war surge, 2 tril budget deficits, and Pelosi as torturer might rankle a few, but I aint seein’ it. Bomb tons of civilians, no war protests on that, either. How odd.
And Parth wonders about the pain to come….
Parth and his lefty ilk were the ones who bemoaned the jobless recovery under Bush. Well, parth, you will be seeing one bigtime jobless recovery ahead.
Remember in this firestorm, Obama’s first big action was to loosen tort laws for suing business. That will sure help promote job growth.
Now “medical reform” without a hint of tort reform? That will blow the roof off medical spending, not control it.
Pain?
10% unemployment longterm.
Red ink that Buffett hints will drive massive inflation to reduce the real dollar value of that massive debt.
almost like a banana republic!
No new jobs for years for the displaced workers.
Commodity prices will likely spike, especially if global cooling continues with the lack of sunspot activity.
Pain! AND
What will fuel this economic recovery?
Anyone?
Unlike the past, it wont be K cars, or Microsoft/Intel, or new wars, ……
And the second big round of foreclosures will start in a year or two so good luck to us one and all.
Obamanomics = rebirth of Hoovervilles
But the lawyers have been and will do well, so good for them…….
6DJ, your posts are too long. You should work on making them a little shorter.. I think those of us with “short post syndrome” would appreciate it…
But I’m sure everyone else appreciates your point of view. Not trying to rip you. I’m just saying…
“What did you say to get banned from the comments section, D2?”
I’m not sure adlib, but I was probably responding to one of the liberals who was attacking me for. I think it was something like “It was liberal morons like you who put a Soci@list in the White House”. Again, I was just responding to someone who was trying to insult me, but I’m sure that guy’s still spewing his liberalism.
“The underlying FACT of the matter is that FOX purposely sought to distort the news and pressured the reporters to falsify their reports.”
Wrong again. But thats what you get for coming up with ‘facts’ from biased sources. Try going right to the JUDGES decission on the case. Re Read it like I said. Instead your going with a biased OPINION section artcile. What really happened was a local florida Fox affiliat fired two reporters because they refused to include counter arguments to a claim that cow hormones in milk caused cancer in a report they were working on. The News Dept of that station wanted the reporters to interview the Milk Producers to provide a counter argument. They thought letting both sides have a voice in the story was the proper way to conduct a news story. The reporters refused. Thats why they got fired. Its all there in the Judges decission. Re Read it. Youre lying Dan.
” We agree with WTVT that the FCC’s policy against the intentional falsification of the news – which the FCC has called its “news distortion policy†– does not qualify as the required “law, rule, or regulation†under section 448.102.”
Its a policy that the FCC has Dan that gives the FCC the right to punish News stations for lying. Its a POLICY not a law rule or regulation required for whistle blower protection. THATS IT, nothing more. It doesnt give FOX the right to lie. It means its at the FCCs discretion to deal with instances of lying as they see fit, you know a policy. Its not a law, its a policy. Like how my Job has a dress code policy? Not a dress code law. If I wear my Iron Maiden shirt to work they can punish me for that. But its not a LAW. See the difference?
Tell me Dan, did the reporter ever go to the FCC? Or was that a big show so she could sue the TV station? If Fox was trying to lie why didnt she follow through with the FCC?
The other thing you dont seem to get is this is a POLICY that applies to ALL news stations, not just FOX. FOX didnt get an exemption like you tried to claim the other day, when you distorted the facts.
“After a five-week trial and six hours of deliberation which ended August 18, 2000, a Florida state court jury unanimously determined that Fox “acted intentionally and deliberately to falsify or distort the plaintiffs’ news reporting on BGH.†In that decision, the jury also found that Jane’s threat to blow the whistle on Fox’s misconduct to the FCC was the sole reason for the termination… and the jury awarded $425,000 in damages which makes her eligible to apply for reimbursement for all court costs, expenses and legal fees.”
This part is true. What you left out is her partner lost on all of his claims and she lost on three out of four of hers. So another Jury in a seperate trial found FOX didnt do anything to distort the report. Or did you just forget about Steve Wilson?
I have no tolerance for eliminationist rhetoric and call it out where I see it,
So did you miss this, or is it not eliminationist rhetoric? Because I didn’t see any “calling out”.
Retail sales drop unexpectedly in April.
This will get around to being reported as a positive…just wait and see.
And my Afghanistan prediction becomes truer everyday. Last night on CNN is was the “good war”.
And where is some “Hard Hitting” reporting on where the stimulus money is at? My understanding is its “No Where”
My spending would have gone up if they had suspended the Fed Tax for six months.
This one is only going to line peoples pockets.
I think its pretty funny when Dan gets all bent out of shape over ‘eliminationist’ rhetoric and he says he has NO tolerence for it and then says crap like,
“Rationalizing murder now because it doesn’t meet your strict definition of “politically motivated assassination.†How… nice.”
Rationalizing?
Or….
“How long do you tolerate this kind of rhetoric before you speak out against it?”
But when it comes to people burning down campus buildings doing research on grains that are strong enough to grow in arid african climates he is willing to rationalize plenty. Or when a molitov cocktail is put in a persons mailbox or a pipe bomb is straped to a scientists BMW thats just a false equivelancy because the body count is low and no one was injured thank god. Maybe when the body count is higher when the next biology building is blown up on some campus, Dan will stop rationalizing about what is and isnt eliminationist rhetoric?
Not that I ever thought he had any capability of holding to his word without going into gymnastics to avoid the appearance of being wrong about anything.
Bottom line is Dan is concerned with conservative rhetoric and actions and over looks everything else. Its not the violence or rhetoric he is concerned with, its the politics behind the actors thats important.
“Violence in Afghanistan has surged to its worst level since U.S.-backed Afghan forces overthrew the Taliban in 2001, despite increasing numbers of foreign troops.”
Hey wheres the big mouth “Escalation wouldn’t work” crowd?
Afghanistan is an unwinable war. There is ZERO chance of completly defeating the Taliban. They’ll just go underground and come back time and again. We’ll think we won, pull out and they’ll be back. This will go on and on and on……
Now Mark lets see if we can get Dan and the other Dingbats to start talking about Obamas policies and not about what Rush or Fox is saying.
Thats all this is a big giant smoke screen. Christ CNN and MSNBC spent 90% of their time talking about Republicans.
Escalation…an old 60′s word we haven’t heard since Vietnam..now its really applicable…and I haven’t heard it lately.
It now appears that the democrat house leader Duncy Porklosi has known all along about the interrogation techniques used to get info frrom terrorists. Then she lied to cover it up.
Because said Duncy is the leader of the democrat party in the house, it is safe to say that the democrates were/are, if not fully complicit, they were/are at the very least complacent.
Democrats are the party of torture.
Lets get on with this truth commission thing. More hearings. Drag em all out infront of the judge and lets release some more memos and stuff.
Both sides. Lets see who smells the worse.
“Escalation…an old 60’s word we haven’t heard since Vietnam..now its really applicable…and I haven’t heard it lately.”
Tiny, now they call it a “surge”. But you’re right, that’s what is going on.
Deacon is right too, Afghanistan is unwinnable as a conventional ground war. Took the Russians 10 years to figure that out. How long will it take us?
“Took the Russians 10 years to figure that out. How long will it take us?”
Where as if by luck this Iraq thing works..its a region changer.
“Lets get on with this truth commission thing. More hearings.”
In 2003 Dems lose elections if they come out and expose the memos.
2010 they win elections……
Party over country..its a pattern with this group.
Torture debate?
I had worse sh^t done to me on the damn school bus.
“Where as if by luck this Iraq thing works..its a region changer”
Iraq and Afghanistan arent related at all. Afghanistan is a totally isolated region. Iraq might as well be on the moon. Any success there wont change the facts in Afghanistan one bit.
“I had worse sh^t done to me on the damn school bus.”
Really…. I got my underpants pulled so far up my @ss. Nose stuck against a frozen window for the whole ride.
A fight over who cares about these guys the most…
“The five headless bodies were found near the valley’s main town, Mingora, the army said, giving no details of the victims’ identities. Residents have said the Taliban have repeatedly decapitated opponents and dumped their bodies in Mingora.”
Un-Frickin-believable
“Both sides. Lets see who smells the worse.”
Harry Reid will be saying, “those tourists are making the place smell like a Tiajuana prostitute with diarrhea and a yeast infection.”
Hairy Reed is scared. He doesn’t want a truth commission. I suspect he smells as bad as the Duncy Porklosis inner thigh.
And why has Leahy stopped squawking about his beloved truth comission?
Lets get the show on the road and carve out all the rot.
“Any success there wont change the facts in Afghanistan one bit.”
Fact – Its inheritedly disingenuous of the peaceniks silence towards this ecalation of violence being perpetrated on the afgahn civilians.
The House majority leader reluctantly agreed Tuesday that congressional hearings should investigate Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s assertion that she wasn’t informed, more than six years ago, that harsh interrogation methods were used on an al-Qaida leader.
Rep. Steny Hoyer ???
Isn’t he the guy that ran against Peelosi for speaker…
Deacon wrote:
“Iraq and Afghanistan arent related at all. Afghanistan is a totally isolated region. Iraq might as well be on the moon. Any success there wont change the facts in Afghanistan one bit.”
I have to agree with Deacon here. The biggest mistake by the United States in the last thirty years was the decision to invade Iraq. It has only sapped resources and the will to engage with the rest of the world. It never made sense and makes even less sense now. The sooner we are out; the better.
Dildos2SuckI wroteSo I guess waterboarding is safe enough to use on our own soldiers for training, but to cruel to use on Muslim terrorists who want us all dead? Waterboarding has probably saved thousands of innocent American lives while killing or harming zero terrorists.
The difference is that when our soldiers undergo the same thing in training, they have the power to stop it if they choose, by quitting.
If you are a prisoner and you’re getting waterboarded, you can’t stop it, and you don’t know when they’ll stop, even if you provide them with what they’re looking for. That’s the difference.
I just love fcuktards like yourself D2SI who like to call it “just a little water up your nose” — you have no idea.
Lemme ask you – what if our people think a detainee knows something, but he really doesn’t? How long will the waterboarding go on? It’s torture.
Why don’t they just give the detainees a sh1t load of Ecstacy and/or LSD? You could send a guy into their cell and say, “Hi, I’m the prophet Muhammed, nice to meet you. So tell me what’s going on?” They’d sing like birds (plus it would be fun for them to boot). We don’t need to torture to get information. We’re smarter than that.
Shep Stewart said it best – “This is America, we don’t fcuking torture!”
“We don’t need to torture to get information. We’re smarter than that.”
No we dont. We can get info without torture. That being said, Im not sure why some people think waterboarding is anywhere near having powerdills taken to your body parts or burned with acid or any number of other things torture can be defined as. On the torture scale waterboarding is a 1 in my mind. Just barely qualifying. Of course I have no experience with it. Thats just the way it appears to me.
So yeah, aninvestigation into what happened could be helpful. But Im tired of hearing about how we acted like the Gestapo and how Guantanamo is like a death camp in Poland and how we need a Neuremberg for waterboarding. Just look at some of the letters to the editor in this paper and you’ll see some people have lost some perspective on this issue. As Dan would say, false equivelancies are everywhere on this issue.
“(plus it would be fun for them to boot)”
Fun? You want them to have fun? I say spike a pile of dog sh:t with ecstacy and LSD and let them eat that.
The difference is that when our soldiers undergo the same thing in training, they have the power to stop it if they choose, by quitting.
If I’m not mistaken, waterboarding is only a part of the Navy SEAL training, which cadets go into knowing that the training itself could be lethal.
Still, having spent a year having to look at the notes and pictures left by the children of the rescue workers who lost their lives on 9/11, and knowing several people who didn’t make it out of the towers, I regret not being able to waterboard Khalid Sheik Mohammed myself.
Im not sure why some people think waterboarding is anywhere near having powerdills taken to your body
Electric pickles?
you wish
“If you are a prisoner and you’re getting waterboarded, you can’t stop it,”
“Taliban have repeatedly decapitated opponents and dumped their bodies in Mingora”
I guess if the Talibans going to chop your head off you can’t yell “STOPPPPPPPPPP”
Knock it off look at what you’re calling torture.
The difference is that when our soldiers undergo the same thing in training, they have the power to stop it if they choose, by quitting.
Yeah, I’m sure when PFC Johnson says, “Listen Gunny, I don’t like being waterboarded. I’m going to quit” it’ll go over well. You can’t just “quit” the military.
I regret not being able to waterboard Khalid Sheik Mohammed myself.
I hear that.
Tiny, you’re in the D2SI camp on this issue as far as I’m concerned, because:
1. you still cling to the stupid assumption that all Islamic people want to destroy American, and
2. You apparently believe that the Taliban and al-Queda are the same thing – they’re not.
DJ, in SEAL training, there’s a big bell, prominently displayed for anyone who wants to quit – just ring that bell. They don’t want quitters, so the best way to ensure that is to make it really easy to quit anytime they want.
Likewise, the guys that undergo SEAR are volunteers, and they’re free to leave the program at any time. Knowing that you can opt out at any time if it gets too intense makes all the difference. The military has actually done a lot of reasearch in this area.
in SEAL training, there’s a big bell, prominently displayed for anyone who wants to quit – just ring that bell
I’m also willing to bet they get a lot of people who would sooner drown than ring the bell.
And this BS we don’t want to look bad in the eyes of the world. Thats exactly what you want to look like ……BAD.
Why do you think these terrorists don’t want to get captured by the Mossad.
We just look like a bunch of silly fools to these people.
Real world boys and girls not some academic childish nonsense.
DJ, in SEAL training, there’s a big bell, prominently displayed for anyone who wants to quit – just ring that bell.
I guess I was talking about military in general. Or do they only waterboard SEALs? If that’s the case, then my mistake (a.k.a. “my bad”)
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/05/12/ac.shot.tuesday.cnn
Another beauty pageant blunder.
Charge your iPod, kill a polar bear?
PARIS – An energy watchdog is alarmed about the threat to the environment from the soaring electricity needs of gadgets like MP3 players, mobile phones and flat screen TVs.
In a report today, the Paris-based International Energy Agency estimates new electronic gadgets will triple their energy consumption by 2030 to 1,700 terawatt hours, the equivalent of today’s home electricity consumption of the United States and Japan combined.
This reminds me of that picture that’s all over the internet, with the caption,
Every time you mastubate, God kills a kitten.
Save the kittens!
I’ll let GO take over from here.
Someone made a LOL Catz thing for that already:
http://crowderland.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/ceilingcatnsfw2.jpg
“Charge your iPod, kill a polar bear?”
Two Papers in One!
• “In its closing months, the Bush administration is pulling out all the stops in its eight-year effort to undermine the Endangered Species Act. In mid-August, the administration proposed two dangerous regulatory changes. One would free the government from considering the effects of greenhouse gas emissions on polar bears and other imperiled wildlife.”–editorial, New York Times, Oct. 25, 2008
• “Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has upheld a Bush administration finding that the Endangered Species Act is not a suitable tool for restricting carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases threatening the polar bear and its habitat. We agree, with this codicil: . . .”–editorial, New York Times, May 13, 2009
This is the kitty I’m referring to.
Why do you think these terrorists don’t want to get captured by the Mossad
If the dark rooms in the basement of the Mossad HQ are anything like my grandmother’s temple, I would say they’re terrified of having to listen to “did i tell you about my son? He’s a doctor and he just bought a million dollar home” over and over again.
FACT CHECK: Data belie Biden stimulus anecdotes
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gII_eXwpVyrwITxM1gouPdCc–RgD985HVI00
Bottom line, they just make it up as they go.
Shep Stewart said it best – “This is America, we don’t fcuking torture!â€
Then Stewart is a moron. Big shock!
Obviously, he doesnt hang out in abortion clinics, or prisoner executions.
If they crushed the skull of a terrorist, and then sucked out his brain with a vacuum, would that be embraced by our leftie friends?
Just wondering………is that captor
pro “choice” privileges?
Waterboarding is like going down the toilet bowl ride at kalahari in the Dells, torture it aint.
“Why do you think these terrorists don’t want to get captured by the Mossad”
What we’ve got here is…..a Klog is mir…a failure to communicate. Some Goy you just can’t reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is Tsuris, the way he wants it… well, he gets it. I don’t like it any more than you men.
Mazel Tov
“Waterboarding is like going down the toilet bowl ride at kalahari in the Dells, torture it aint.”
Maybe we should instead, put their feet to the fire.
P.S.
I hate kittens!
Save the Cannibal Polar Bears, Feed them masterbation Kittens.
“Tiny, you’re in the D2SI camp on this issue as far as I’m concerned, because:
1. you still cling to the stupid assumption that all Islamic people want to destroy American, and
2. You apparently believe that the Taliban and al-Queda are the same thing – they’re not.”
1. Only the ones with the guns, Korans and hate women.
2. The Marines and Army are not the same thing, but they do fight on the same side.
“2. The Marines and Army are not the same thing, but they do fight on the same side.”
Army and Air Force might have left a little bigger mark.
But not much!!!!
“Army and Air Force might have left a little bigger mark.”
Not.
The difference between the Marines and the Army is that the Marines are the 1st one in, take territory, move forwrd to the fight while the army comes in after and holds the territory.
Not to diminish the role of the army.
Obama withholds the release of the detainie photos.
Finally, some grownup thinking at the whitehouse. This may be the straw that breaks the liberal back. Liberal backlash at 11:00. Obama will need the republicans for backup on this one.
2. The Marines and Army are not the same thing, but they do fight on the same side
Ahhh, the beauty of common sense and reasoning.
2. The Marines and Army are not the same thing, but they do fight on the same side
Ahhh, the beauty of common sense and reasoning.
Coulter had a homerun column this week as well:
LIBERAL TALIBAN ISSUES FATWA AGAINST MISS CALIFORNIA
May 13, 2009
Not even Dick Cheney can incite the blood-curdling rage of liberals at the sight of a sexy Evangelical Christian. Paula Jones, Katherine Harris, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin and, most recently, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, have all come under a frenzy of attacks from liberals.
Christians are supposed to be fat, balding sweaty little men with bad complexions. It’s liberals who are supposed to be the sexy ones. (I know that from watching “The West Wing” and all movies starring Julia Roberts.)
But sadly for liberals, in real life, the fat, balding sweaty little guy with the bad complexion is Perez Hilton and the smoking-hot babe is Carrie Prejean.
This apparent contradiction incites violent anger in liberals, triggering their famous “fight or flight” response. So liberal masturbators are, once again, launching furious attacks on a beautiful Christian in a fit of pique similar to the one directed at Joan of Arc.
First, the Miss USA contest held a press conference to announce that Prejean had breast implants. Take a Christian position in public and Satan’s handmaidens will turn all your secrets into front-page news.
Next, a photographer released a single cheesecake photo of Prejean. This prompted liberal reporters who have never met a Christian to proclaim that Christians were outraged by the photo. Liberals believe abortion is a sacrament, but smoking, wearing short skirts and modeling lingerie are mortal sins. (And if wearing women’s underwear is a basis for being disqualified from the pageant, that’s the end of Perez Hilton’s judging career.)
Then on Monday,
See the rest and laugh away on line…..
“Coulter had a homerun column this week as well:
LIBERAL TALIBAN ISSUES FATWA AGAINST MISS CALIFORNIA
May 13, 2009″
She must be playing in the special olympics T Ball league with no fences.
“P.S.
I hate kittens!”
Oh, get a grip!
Jim, I won’t touch the abortion issue, but unless you’ve actually gone through waterboarding, I’ll defer to the opinion of someone who’s actually been tortured – John McCain – he says it’s torture, and that’s good enough for me.
And by the way…as a liberal Christian (aka male version of Satan’s Handmaiden), I agree with you 100% that Perez is an idiot. I should also point out that abortion’s not a sacrament at my church, either. There are a lot of us liberals in the Catholic and Lutheran churches, Jim.
The saddest thing about Carrie Prejean is that she had breast implants – I don’t get it. If you look at the before pics, she was wonderful AND natural. Now it looks like someone stuffed a couple of grapefruits under her shirt. I’ll never understand that…
No problems with common sense Jim, except when facts dispute it. The Taliban is regional, al-Queda is global. The difference is there are actually moderates within the Taliban who would be willing to be a part of a coalition government in Afghanistan (and would therefore lay down arms). Not saying I’d agree with giving them a place in government, but my point is that the Taliban isn’t trying to recuit new members in Europe and the Americas.
The purpose of al-Queda is to destroy the west and create a new, global caliphate where Islamic law rules.
They don’t even have similar methods. The Taliban is running an insurgency, al-Queda is a terrorist organization. I could go on and on, but it’s foolish to treat them like they’re two sides of the same coin – they’re not.
“The difference is there are actually moderates within the Taliban who would be willing to be a part of a coalition government in Afghanistan (and would therefore lay down arms).”
Moderates? Find another word. Anyone who is a part of an organization that terrorizes young girls that want to go to school by posting warnings on their doors of murder of themselves and their families if they continue to attend school or that sprays Acid in their faces on their way to school, isnt not a moderate in any sense of the word.
WASHINGTON – House Speaker Pelosi says she learned in 2003 lawmakers had been told waterboarding used.
Any day now, cars all over Minneapolis will be sporting Pelosi Lied! bumper stickers, right next to their Celebrate Diversity stickers.
And soon, Downtown Dan will be a long to shout “False equivlency, when Pelosi lied, people only got wet”.
DB, you can kiss my @ss. 
Vomit, speaking as a liberal, I think it’s time Pelosi gives up her role. It’s pretty clear she prioritizes herself uber Alles.
Porklosi lied, attempted to cover it up and was derelict in her duties as a committee leader by not attending aall breifings of such an important topic for america.
After seeing this play out I think Chris Dodd should be given credit for having the balls to know when the gig was up.
Duncy Porklosi must really love her……JOB.
“Witness describes baseball-bat beating death of Minneapolis bicyclist”
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,” Jackson said. “He asked me where was he at, and I said he was running around here somewhere.”
THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE FOLKS….
I WANT SOME OUTRAGE!!!!…SOME OUTRAGE!!!!!
SOME EDITORIALS..COME ON RED STAR LETS SEE A SUNDAY FOLD-OUT ON THIS.
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,â€
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,â€
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,â€
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,â€
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,â€
“I told him there was a white guy trying to get some crack,â€
WHITE GUY???????
Thats a HATE CRIME….
So when Tinys says they said
“Hey lets go get that white guy”
he wasn’t too damn far off was he?
“DB, you can kiss my @ss.”
Sorry, but your response about people in the Taliban being moderate is ridiculous.
“The purpose of al-Queda is to destroy the west and create a new, global caliphate where Islamic law rules.”
The only difference is the Taliban is regional and Al Queda is global. They both recruit, terrorize and want Sharia.
I personally know people living in Afghanistan right now who are in fear of their life and are living in terror because of the Taliban. There is no moderate section of their organization.
Fcuk DB, there are moderates compared to the others (e.g. that don’t believe in blowing up schools full of girls). Goddamn you’re like a 15-year old sometimes.
You personally know people who live in Afghanistan? What’s their ethnicity?
Tiny, take a nitro and chill the fcuk out. Life ain’t fair.
“Fcuk DB, there are moderates compared to the others (e.g. that don’t believe in blowing up schools full of girls). Goddamn you’re like a 15-year old sometimes.”
They burn schools to the ground all over Afghanistan. They murder people trying to educate girls to scare others from sending their daughters to school. There is nothing moderate about it in any way. The most liberal Taliban member may want a place in govt so they can push for Sharia law. The avg Taliban member is burning schools down and killing teachers. The sickest Taliban members are throwing Acid in girls faces and choping their fathers heads off.
“You personally know people who live in Afghanistan? What’s their ethnicity?”
I do. They are Afghan’s. Last time I got into this and how I know them my identity got spilled, so Im not going to get into it more than that.
I’m not interested in parsing words with you. Yes, I’m aware of all the horrible things that the Taliban does. Despite this, they’re actually pretty well liked in some areas. If everyone hated them and just wanted them to go away, they’d be gone by now. There are moderates in the Taliban – just like there were moderate Nazis, DB. They offer something positive to some people — that’s where the moderates come in.
I don’t know if you’ve ever spent time in South Central Asia, but I know that what we see in the West can (and often does)look very different up close and personal. It’s easy for us to pretend like were experts when we’re sitting 12,000 miles away.
I should also point out – maybe your friends live in Kabul and don’t see this — but in lots of rural areas, people assume that the Taliban is working with the US. I’ll give you a virtual case of beer if you can tell me why.
“Despite this, they’re actually pretty well liked in some areas.”
By the hardliners. Moderate everyday Afghans dont appreciate the Taliban. They are the moderates, not the Taliban. Just because some people like the Taliban and want Sharia doesnt mean the Taliban is at all moderate. At one point the Taliban may have looked attractive because they provided stability. Thats not the case anymore with true Afghan moderates.
The people I know live in the rural areas and are involved in providing access to education.
“I should also point out – maybe your friends live in Kabul and don’t see this — but in lots of rural areas, people assume that the Taliban is working with the US. I’ll give you a virtual case of beer if you can tell me why.”
I’ll take a stab at it, Sarge. Is it a remanent of our involvement with the Taliban during the Russian invasion?
After hearing the term “moderate nazi” I could use a virtual Xa-nax.
Make that two Xan-ax and one of Tiny’s nitro tabs, a new topic is posted.
“There are moderates in the Taliban – just like there were moderate Nazis, DB.”
I think you and I have a different definiton of the word moderate. I understand what you are saying about the problem of trying to apply Western morality and perspective on a situation happening across the globe in a totally different culture. Id consider the Afghan’s I know to be progressive in trying to provide education to girls in rural areas. Id consider the families in the areas to be the moderates. They live traditional afghan lives and are taking the risks to educate their daughters because its something they didnt have access to in the past. The extremists are the Taliban members who are trying to stop these things from taking place and they use terrorists tactics to get it done. Anyone involved in that type of organization is not a moderate.
Another example is the drug trade. Many farmers are forced to produce Popies under threat of death by the Taliban. They are thugs in every sense of the word. I dont care if there are some that want a place in the Afghan parliment.
Vomit, there were members of the Nazi party that ran the full range from hating Jews to actually working to save them (e.g. Oskar Schindler). I’m just tring to make the point that not every member of the Taliban is out there wanting to cut everyone’s head off that’s not Muslim.
Good guess adlib – it’s actually because, until recently, the Pakistan army was working with the Taliban in some areas. Since they know we’re allies with Pakistan, they assumed we supported the Taliban as well.
“A chimpanzee that mauled a Connecticut woman had the anti-anxiety drug Xan-ax in its system, according to toxicology tests………
……..Charla Nash on Feb. 16. She lost her hands, nose, lips and eyelids in the attack.”
Vomit,
I wonder if that lady was kosher.
“Vomit, there were members of the Nazi party that ran the full range from hating Jews to actually working to save them (e.g. Oskar Schindler).”
The Nazi party ran the whole state of Germany and everything in it. Anyone of any influence was a Nazi because they had no choice. When that happens in Afghanistan and all people of influence are in the Taliban, Id believe there are moderate Taliban members. Right now being in the Taliban is a matter of choice.
SgtP,
I knew that was the point you were making, but you also have to keep in mind that most of these “good nazis”
had intense pressure to join the party, either to maintain income or save their necks.
The main point I’m trying to make here is that the nazis used terror as their primary source or maintaining power.
I agree with Deacon. I don’t see anything positive in that.
DJ says: Fvcker.
So you can dish it out, but you can’t take it. Color me shocked.
But when it comes to people burning down campus buildings doing research on grains that are strong enough to grow in arid african climates he is willing to rationalize plenty. Or when a molitov cocktail is put in a persons mailbox or a pipe bomb is straped to a scientists BMW thats just a false equivelancy because the body count is low and no one was injured thank god. Maybe when the body count is higher when the next biology building is blown up on some campus, Dan will stop rationalizing about what is and isnt eliminationist rhetoric?
Please show me where ANY of these people are given a national broadcast outlet and a paycheck for their “All the scientists are evil godless vermin” eliminationist rhetoric. Show me where any of these people have prime time TV, cable, or radio gigs. Or can you show me where these people are openly embraced, elevated, and/or celebrated by a national party. At the very least can you point to ANY national broadcast personality that openly plays to and encourages their line of thinking?
I won’t hold my breath. Doesn’t make what they do right, but my point has always been about the broadcast MAINSTREAMING of eliminationist rhetoric.
I understand you struggle mightily to not understand what I’m saying and go out of your way to make a false equivalency argument, which is fine, it keeps things moving around here, but at least try not to kid yourself about what I’m saying, even if you feel the need to twist it for everyone else’s entertainment.
“Right now being in the Taliban is a matter of choice.”
Between the consequences of resistance and the rewards of going along.
“I knew that was the point you were making, but you also have to keep in mind that most of these “good nazisâ€
had intense pressure to join the party, either to maintain income or save their necks.”
Do you think Benedict joined the Hitler Youth for such coercive reasons?
“But sadly for liberals, in real life, the fat, balding sweaty little guy with the bad complexion is Perez Hilton and the smoking-hot babe is Carrie Prejean”
6DJ. Did you once say the same about Anita Bryant? Tsk,tsk. Be true to the trophy wife now.
Carrie had to be pretty confident of her salvation. The fires of Hell would do a number on those implants.
“Good guess adlib – it’s actually because, until recently, the Pakistan army was working with the Taliban in some areas. Since they know we’re allies with Pakistan, they assumed we supported the Taliban as well.”
Monty’s guess actually, but adding to it I’d say if Russia was the invader for 10 years then we backed the Taliban for as long and we literally made them and Bin Laden what they are today. Some Westerners consider Orientals inscrutable, but should Asians consider these coincidences…Occidental?
The main point I’m trying to make here is that the nazis used terror as their primary source or maintaining power.
I disagree with you there vomit. In occupied countries, yes, they most certainly did, and with Jews as well. but in Germany…it’s not so simple as these bad guys came in and took over. There was a lot of anti-semitism in Germany well before Hitler, and he didn’t have to work too hard to get support.
“I won’t hold my breath. Doesn’t make what they do right, but my point has always been about the broadcast MAINSTREAMING of eliminationist rhetoric.”
Oh, my mistake. I took your zero tolerance for eliminationist rhetoric seriously. I guess you werent being serious. So just to be clear, you do tolerate some eliminationist rhetoric. The kind of eliminationist rhetoric spewed on the internet by radical animal rights terrorists is tolerated because its not on mainstream cable news. Its only the coded dog whistle eliminationist rhetoric from conservatives that you dont tolerate. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Lets be honest Dan, your zero tolerance statement was total bull sh:t. Its the politics you’re worried about. If you actually carred about zero tolerance, and actually called out rhetoric like this anyplace you saw it you’d have said something before about violence and rhetoric from the left side, but you dont. Maybe that means you’ve never heard it?
“Please show me where ANY of these people are given a national broadcast outlet and a paycheck for their “All the scientists are evil godless vermin†eliminationist rhetoric. Show me where any of these people have prime time TV, cable, or radio gigs.”
Show me where any of the cable news or radio personalities sending out dog whistle coded messages to kill liberals have burned down buildings and put pipe bombs in peoples cars.
“Show me where any of the cable news or radio personalities sending out dog whistle coded messages to kill liberals have burned down buildings and put pipe bombs in peoples cars.”
Hate to say it but that’s the nature of resistance movements, either right or left wing. They know what’s best for the country and that’s for the despots in power to fail at everything they try. By any means necessary, from agitprop to direct action, if you play the game you’re part of a continuum. Delegitimize and destabilize the current regime.
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