Courting the faithful

August 19th, 2009 – 2:04 PM by Kevin Diaz

President Obama is doing a live webcast call-in with faith leaders on Wednesday about health care. Ceding no ground, the anti-abortion group known as the Susan B. Anthony List has organized a “Keeping faith with the unborn” call on health care that organizers say will contact over 350,000 “pro-life” voters in key states. Added to the lineup: Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn.

30 Responses to "Courting the faithful"

monty says:

August 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

I think it’s kinda ironic that the pro-lifers, who oppose sex education and birth control initatives, including those that do not involve abortion, now wish to weigh in on the health care debate. It reminds me of the WI couple that allowed their daughter to die of diabetic shock rather than seek medical attention because they thought prayer would heal her.

Tiny bulbs says:

August 19th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

“It reminds me of the WI couple that allowed their daughter to die of diabetic shock rather than seek medical attention because they thought prayer would heal her.”

Its not just the religious right doing the “natural cure” stuff.

monty says:

August 19th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

“Its not just the religious right doing the “natural cure” stuff.”

Perhaps not, but that isn’t the point I’m trying to make, Tiny. This couple wasn’t against seeking professional medical care, they thought they could cure illness through prayer. To me, that’s like saying you want abortions to end, but you reject contraceptives of any kind, as well as sex education.
Good luck with that.

להקיא says:

August 19th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

I’m glad I’m a Jew. No need for faith when there’s always a doctor in the family.

Deacon Blues says:

August 19th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

“No need for faith when there’s always a doctor in the family.”

And when the doctor in your family misdiagnosis your sickness, there is a lawyer in the family to file a malpractice lawsuit.

Tiny bulbs says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

“I’m glad I’m a Jew. No need for faith when there’s always a doctor in the family.”

Josef Mengele was somebody’s Uncle.

“And when the doctor in your family misdiagnosis your sickness, there is a lawyer in the family to file a malpractice lawsuit.”

And Princesses (With a garlic aroma that could level tacoma) running around the Mall of America.

dare2sayit.com says:

August 19th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

It’s funny how the liberal Star Tribune uses the terms “anti-abortion” and ‘pro-choice”, instead of “pro-life” and “pro-abortion”. Go figure…

6th district Jim says:

August 19th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

ATLANTA (AP) — U.S. life expectancy has risen to a new high, now standing at nearly 78 years, the government reported Wednesday.
The increase is due mainly to falling death rates in almost all the leading causes of death. The average life expectancy for babies born in 2007 is nearly three months greater than for children born in 2006.

Gosh, we may spend alot of money on healthcare, but life expectancies keep going higher and higher. More amazing:
the most obese, sedantary, violent, and whiny society in world history is within 5 years of the leader–Japan!

Too bad the same cant be said for our educational system: record spending with ever worsening outcomes in recent decades. Let’s solve the educational crisis first…..

6th district Jim says:

August 19th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

monty says:
I think it’s kinda ironic that the pro-lifers, who oppose sex education and birth control initatives, including those that do not involve abortion, now wish to weigh in on the health care debate.

I am not following the irony here.
Who in Monty world is qualified to voice their opinion? Let me guess, Herr Monty, only those who march in lockstep with your opinions are allowed to voice their opinion? Am I “right?”

And in my experience, most prolifers I know are all in favor of sex education and birth control discussions, they just dont want our public schools doing it– since they turn out students who can barely read and write.
It is insane, even creepy, that govt entities can dispense birth control products to minors without parental consent or, at least, notification.

dare2sayit.com says:

August 20th, 2009 at 4:41 am

As long as government is running public education, it will be plagued by problems. We need to introduce some competition, it’s the American way.

monty says:

August 20th, 2009 at 8:53 am

“I am not following the irony here”

No, irony does not seem to be your strong point, Jim. Especially since you go on to talk about “only those who march in lockstep with your opinions are allowed to voice their opinion”…and you’re not talking about the neocon mindset.
Ooooooooook.
I can’t speak about your experience with prolifers, but I can tell you from mine that they come in all varieties and political persuasions. Many, but not all, are more consevative than anything else and most do not believe in public school sex education-as you note. This is where the irony lies, by the way, Jim. If kids were getting the information they need to make informed choices at home, do you think America would lead the civilized world in teenage pregnancies? I’ve always thought an education is a good thing, especially concerning something as important and life changing as making babies. Being anti-abortion and anti-sex education is illogical and counter-productive to your cause.
Susan B Anthony List, which is essentally an anti-EMILY’s List, is certainly all about advancing anti-abortion candidates for pliical office, but if you look at their mission statement from their website, you will se nothing at all about sex education. I could be wrong, but it looks like just a cynical knockoff of the EMILY’s List concept, exploiting the abortion issue to gain traction against the “other side”. I think they are sincere in their stance against abortion, they just hobble their cause because of their lack of an educational component.

להקיא says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:06 am

And Princesses (With a garlic aroma that could level tacoma) running around the Mall of America.

I went the fake jewelery/real orgasms route and married a shiksa.

Downtown Dan says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:37 am

It’s funny how the liberal Star Tribune uses the terms “anti-abortion” and ‘pro-choice”, instead of “pro-life” and “pro-abortion”. Go figure…

It makes sense when you realize “anti-abortion” zealots don’t care about the health and well being of the mothers (nothing “pro-life” about that), and that the “pro-choice” crowd isn’t “pro” abortion, they just feel women should have the right to consult their families and their doctors and make the best “choice” for them.

Understanding this might be above your pay grade.

Downtown Dan says:

August 20th, 2009 at 9:42 am

As long as government is running public education, it will be plagued by problems. We need to introduce some competition, it’s the American way.

So when do you start pushing to privatize the police and fire departments?

Deacon Blues says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:11 am

Dan, I dont know about fire but there are already security firms competing with the police Dept. Try shop lifiting at the mall sometime. Nice talking point though.

להקיא says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am

So when do you start pushing to privatize the police and fire departments?

When you can afford it. Try to row your boat into some of Boca Raton’s finer waterfront communities, and you’ll be met with a polite, professional, and well armed security team who will escort you in the other direction.

monty says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:53 am

Deacon writes:

“Nice talking point though”

Hang on a sec. What you and vomit cite is enhanced private security hired for specific duties-not replacing public police departments. Do you seriously wish to replace the public police departments with private security firms-or are you just in the mood to rattle DD’s cage?

Deacon Blues says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:06 am

“Do you seriously wish to replace the public police departments with private security firms-or are you just in the mood to rattle DD’s cage?”

I dont advocate for the privatizing of police or fire depts, and its ALWAYS a good time to rattle DD’s cage.

Im simply pointing out that there is an argument that can be made that there is competion from private security firms for services the police would normally be providing in certain areas.

Part of what the police do is to protect people and property. Private security does that all over the place right now.

The talking point crack was also to rattle DD a bit. He loves to call people out on that kind of stuff when it comes to the anti health care reform crowd. Everyone has their zingers including Dan.

SgtPendleton says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:10 am

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/20/scotland.lockerbie.bomber/index.html

Un-fcking-believeable. I hope someone shoots down his plane on the way back to Libya. What a travesty.

SgtPendleton says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am

Isn’t shiksa/shaygets kind of an offensive term?

Deacon Blues says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:13 am

Agreed. 270 people dead and the Scottish are worried he might not be able to see his family before he dies of cancer. What a joke.

להקיא says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:21 am

its ALWAYS a good time to rattle DD’s cage.

I try and limit it to just days and evenings, on weekdays and weekends, but it’s a challenge.

להקיא says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:25 am

Isn’t shiksa/shaygets kind of an offensive term?

I’ve never known it as such.

monty says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am

“I dont advocate for the privatizing of police or fire depts, and its ALWAYS a good time to rattle DD’s cage.”

Ok. Just checking. That’s what I thought.

“What a travesty”

This is hard to figure. Lifetime term is lifetime term-why does it matter if you become terminally ill? If you’re in for life, isn’t that gonna happen at some point anyway? One has to wonder if there arn’t other factors involved….like business relations with Libya.

dubble_a_ron says:

August 20th, 2009 at 11:39 am

Does the Scottish penal system have a policy of releasing terminally ill prisoners in general?

GO lonoscopy says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

“Un-fcking-believeable.”

Really sarge? They release the scapegoat for humanitarian reasons and your surprised? Wow, there may even be somthing to this Globull Warming thing after all.

Downtown Dan says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

and its ALWAYS a good time to rattle DD’s cage.

Let me out… LET ME OUT!

there is no spoon… there is no spoon…

SgtPendleton says:

August 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

The judge said, “Just because he didn’t show his victims compassion doesn’t mean we should deny compassion to him.”

…except when it’s an exceptionally heinous crime. If it weren’t such a close ally, I’d say sanctions would be warranted. Drives me nuts. So what happens if he miraculously recovers?

We should put the pinch on Qaddafi to let us extridite him to the US. He’s been kissing our @ss since 2003…we might be able to pull it off.

dare2sayit.com says:

August 20th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

“Dan, I dont know about fire but there are already security firms competing with the police Dept.”

Did you hear Obama’s idiot remark comparing the government run health care and private insurance to the U.S. postal service and FedEx? His point kind of backfired on him, it was wonderful!

Downtown Dan says:

August 20th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

His point kind of backfired on him,

How so?

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