Ellison lashes out @MicheleBachmann

September 16th, 2009 – 3:06 PM by Eric Roper

Rep. Keith Ellison took Rep. Michele Bachmann to task today via his Blackberry.

Ellison, arguably the most liberal member of Minnesota’s congressional delegation, chided his conservative colleague on Twitter for leaving a Financial Services Committee meeting before witnesses had offered their testimony.

The hearing was held to discuss the possible expansion of the Community Reinvestment Act, which encourages lenders to aid low-income areas. Bachmann criticized the CRA and ACORN before leaving, according to Ellison’s tweets (below).

“Michele Bachmann uses her time at financial services to attack CRA, ACORN, and then promptly walks out when experts begin testimony,” Ellison wrote.

In a statement released today about the CRA, Bachmann said the law “encourages low underwriting standards and risky lending behavior” and contributed to this fall’s financial collapse. Bachmann’s problems with ACORN are also no secret.

And though spelling is rarely a priority on Twitter, it’s probably worth noting that Ellison spelled Bachmann’s name wrong - twice. There’s only one “l” in Michele.

Update: Bachmann spokesman Dave Dziok has this response to Ellison’s comments: “Maybe Congressman Ellison should worry less about what Congresswoman Bachmann is doing, and more about what the friends he’s defending like ACORN are doing with his constituents’ tax dollars.”

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Correction: In an incredibly ironic twist, I misspelled Bachmann’s name myself in the first sentence of this post. It’s since been fixed.

149 Responses to "Ellison lashes out @MicheleBachmann"

Deacon Blues says:

September 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

“MORROW, Ga. — The FBI is investigating the beating of an African-American woman by a white man at a Cracker Barrel restaurant as a possible hate crime.”

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20940073/detail.html

If this had been a white women beaten by a black man, D2 would have been all over it.

Deacon Blues says:

September 16th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

“CNN) — Authorities have charged an Owosso, Michigan, man with two counts of first-degree premeditated murder in the Friday shooting deaths of an anti-abortion activist and another man, a prosecutor’s office said.
Authorities say the suspect, Harlan James Drake, was offended by anti-abortion material that the activist had displayed across from the school all week.
Drake, 33, is accused of shooting anti-abortion activist Jim Pouillon, 63, and Michael Fuoss, 61, who were killed in separate locations Friday morning, the prosecutor’s office in Shiawassee County said.
Authorities also have charged Drake with a felony firearm count and carrying a dangerous weapon with unlawful intent, the prosecutor’s office said.
Drake also is suspected of “attempting to locate a third victim without success,” the office said.”

Dan, have you heard about this? I know how concerened you are about eliminationist rhetoric considering your zero tolerance policy.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

It’s good to see radical leftist Keith Hakim Ellison lashing out at Michele Bachmann. It just proves she’s doing what’s best for America.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

MB only does what gets her attention.

It’s hard to understand how someone would want to be viewed as a nutcase.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

Greg,

You have to respect Michele for standing up for what’s right, no matter how much the hard left tries to destroy her. I feel sorry for the person with balls enough to run against her in the 6th district in which I live. With liberal lunacy being exposed daily such as ACORN and czars who are communist, think Bush is behind 9-11, want to ban hunting, and think animals deserve legal representation, not to mention that the democrat soci@list party is hurting us economically, Michele will be more popular than ever.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Speaking of radical leftist Keith Hakim Ellison (DFL), here are a couple of his grades as Congressman:

NumbersUSA on Controlling illegal immigration: F

NRA: F

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

MB only wants to get attention.

She’s a twit.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

“She’s a twit.”

She’s the taxpayer’s best friend.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

“She’s the taxpayer’s best friend.”

Actually, she’s freedom’s worst enemy and ..

just looking for attention.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

Mark pinned what is probably the biggest issue for our country …

the control of our government by extremists.

Alot of big-mouth idiots controlling everything.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

“Actually, she’s freedom’s worst enemy”

Greg, Michele Bachmann has as much in common with our Founding Fathers as Comrade Obama has in common with Karl Marx, and Michele is about as anti-communist as you can get.

If you remember your history correctly, you’ll know that communism is the opposite of freedom.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

“Mark pinned what is probably the biggest issue for our country …

the control of our government by extremists.”

Greg, the biggest threat we have is government control of our people.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

“If you remember your history correctly, you’ll know that communism is the opposite of freedom.”

Fascism isn’t a friend of freedom either.

MB has chosen an extremist view of the constitution as have others on the opposite side of the pendulum.

Extremism will destroy this country .. and she’s an extremist.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

“Extremism will destroy this country .. and she’s an extremist.”

If trying to keep our country from going down a soci@list toilet makes her an extremist….

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

“If trying to keep our country from going down a soci@list toilet makes her an extremist…. ”

If trying to keep our country from going down a fascist toilet makes Ellison an extremist …

See how that works?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

Greg, I heard you were trying out for “America’s Got Liberalism”. Is this true!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

“If trying to keep our country from going down a fascist toilet makes Ellison an extremist …”

America got along just fine for a couple hundred years without needing a radical Nation of Islam extremist to prevent us from going down the wrong path Greg.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

“Greg, I heard you were trying out for “America’s Got Liberalism”. Is this true! ”

No, but I heard you’ve made the top 5 in ‘America’s got Fascism’.

Why is it that whenever anyone points out that you’re a far right extremist they’re labeled a liberal?

SgtPendleton says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

I’ll take the next one here Greg…

America got along just fine for a couple hundred years without needing a radical John Birch neofasc1st to prevent us from going down the wrong path 2Dim.

Yep. It works.

Greg: 3
2Dim: 0

2Dim if you can’t run with the big dogs…

SgtPendleton says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

2Dim, when will you admit you’re a member of the John Birch Society?

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

“America got along just fine for a couple hundred years without needing a radical Nation of Islam extremist to prevent us from going down the wrong path Greg. ”

Who is the radical Nation of Islam extremist?

Are your neighbors from the middle east scaring you again?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

Get a room Liberal Greg and SgtLiberalton!

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

Sgt … there is no win or lose.

Extremism in all forms is the biggest enemy of our country.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

“Who is the radical Nation of Islam extremist?”

You should check out Keith Hakim Ellison’s background Greg. He’s not publically as radical as he was before he wanted to get elected and have control over us, but Man, was he radical!

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

“You should check out Keith Hakim Ellison’s background Greg. He’s not publically as radical as he was before he wanted to get elected and have control over us, but Man, was he radical!”

As radical as MB?

And no, I don’t sleep with dudes D2. But I have no problem with you doing that.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

‘America’s got Fascism’.

Hey Greg, did you know that Adolph Hitler was head of Germany’s National SOCI@ALIST PARTY? He was fond of government taking over everything as well.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

“And no, I don’t sleep with dudes D2″

TOO MUCH INFORMATION GREG! PLEASE KEEP YOUR PERSONAL BEHAVIORS TO YOURSELF!

adlib says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

I liked the argument on the previous thread that got interrupted byt the new threads better.

“Are you saying Diebold counts all the votes and we have no right to contest an election? The count starts and stops with Diebold?

“Dan, I think the dig at you is that your head spins Linda Blair style for Diebold but doesnt spin at all for ACORN.

If ACORN was a republican organization going trailer to trailer and shack to shack in the appalachian mountains siging up illiterate hill billys you’d be freaking out.”

Decades ago I recall some hospital in Mpls having a Diebold Power file system in the admissions area. Instead of going to the records room for a file staff could have the records room come to them. Just key in the file numbers and a chain drive conveyor would bring up the equivalent of a whole aisle of records from the room below. Not an idea whose time had come, thankfully.

But the name Diebold still made an impression on me for innnovation.
In these modern times they may have hit upon a far more profitable idea than a file room delivery system…i.e. an election delivery system.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

“TOO MUCH INFORMATION GREG! PLEASE KEEP YOUR PERSONAL BEHAVIORS TO YOURSELF! ”

I’ve just destroyed your biggest fantasy haven’t I.

“Hey Greg, did you know that Adolph Hitler was head of Germany’s National SOCI@ALIST PARTY? He was fond of government taking over everything as well. ”

Yep, kinda like MB wants government to decide how everyone will behave right?

Kind of a modified goose step, but still a goose step.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

Greg, Michele Bachmann wants government OUT of our lives.

parthian says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Well, of course Darlin’ Birdbrain Michele walked aout before any experts gave testimony before the committee on her favorite topics—the facts have a well known liberal-soc*alist bias and she doesn’t want the facts crammed in her face! She likes reality-lite….

2Dim’s Darlin’ Michele is an uninformed, poison-brained conservative ignoramus—like the conservative cretins she represents (2Dim, 6DJ, the Pollwatcher, etc–sorry if I missed anyone) she refuses to “consume” any info that hasn’t been pre-approved as suitable for prejudiced, Know-Nothing conservative “brains”. Expert testimony likely falls into that category.

Of course, she also has no ability to ask questions of experts to demonstrate any merit in her crazed lunatic “positions”, and she’d just be shown to be a pinheaded moron if she actually asked an expert anything. So of course she bails from the hearing. She’s an intellectual coward, like most “conservatives”.

Darlin’ Michele is a yapping conservative Know-Nothing, and that’s exactly what her adoring brain-dead conservative white male idiot constituents want. A pity that it means the MN 6th has no actual responsible representative, but I have to assume the majority of 6th district fools want what they richly deserve–a cretinous brain-dead Congresswoman.

adlib says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

“Kind of a modified goose step, but still a goose step.”

She got kind of goosie when W walked in to give his State of the Union speech. He didn’t seem that at ease with her attention.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

Greg,

I’m glad to see you up and going full liberal speed again. I was starting to miss your misguided vicious attacks!

Goodnight all!

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

“Greg, Michele Bachmann wants government OUT of our lives.”

So she wouldn’t mind if gay folks got married then right?

Or maybe she also doesn’t mind that some people have abortions?

Or maybe she doesn’t care that some people are here illegally and maybe they can stay here?

I mean, if she wants government out of all our lives then she wouldn’t mind those choices be available right?

parthian says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

And merely pointing out the facts of Darlin’ Michele’s dereliction of her office by leaving hearings before testimony begins is hardly “lashing out”, Eric Roper.

He’s actually informing the public about the childish irresponsibility and hypocrisy of Michele Bachmann when it comes to her supposed “favorite” DC topics—which is more than the Star Tribune ever does.

I do give Eric R. credit for making the public aware of Ellison’s mild criticism–at least on the BQ.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

“She got kind of goosie when W walked in to give his State of the Union speech.”

Barney Frank was jealous.

In any case, Michele Bachmann is by far the most attractive woman in Congress, and I’m sure Bush wan’t offended by her admiration.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

“So she wouldn’t mind if gay folks got married then right?”

Michele doesn’t want government to step in and intrude by redefinining the traditional definition of marriage.

“Or maybe she doesn’t care that some people are here illegally and maybe they can stay here?”

What part of ILLEGAL don’t you understand Greg?

6th district Jim says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

Ah yes, Parthian is back to remind us of which side has no manners and no grace.
And yes, I will compare the school performance and crime rates of MB’s district anytime to that of Ellisons.

Alas, parthian is too! ignorant to know the difference between science and art, or expert and advocate, to even realize the total laugh out loud ridiculousness of his comment about the 6th district.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

“I’m glad to see you up and going full liberal speed again. I was starting to miss your misguided vicious attacks!”

Not even close to full speed D2 ..

I’m not sure I’d consider my words attacks ..

more like observations.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

“Michele doesn’t want government to step in and intrude by redefinining the traditional definition of marriage.”

But she does want to intrude on the lives of others?

“What part of ILLEGAL don’t you understand Greg? ”

So again, she wants to intrude on the lives of others and their happiness?

Government will always intrude on our lives D2 ….

but to what extreme?

parthian says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

Hey, don’ try to drag the poor kids of the 6th District into this sewer, 6DJ—the fact that the school kids may have some learnin’ sure don’t mean most of the 6th District “conservative” adults (especially the particular ones I named) have an ounce of sense.

As for science ignorance in the 6th, you take the cake, Mr Science.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

“In any case, Michele Bachmann is by far the most attractive woman in Congress, and I’m sure Bush wan’t offended by her admiration. ”

I don’t find her attractive at all. In fact she just looks like one big pile of headaches…

skin deep and all that.

6th district Jim says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

And yes, before the BQ went on hiatus,
let’s recall the Partholamian’s comments from an old thread:
parthian says:
September 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
“huge Heartland Institute….”

The fact that you are aware of this industry sponsored lie-fest also shows to what extent you only gobble “conservative” sources of info and read brain-dead conservative pundits as your “news”.
It wasn’t widely covered because even the corporate MSM concluded the participants had no credibility whatever. And it’s finally sinking in on even the corporate MSM that the world’s climate scientists (like NASA) are massively in agreement on global warming and that the “debate” as to its cause is long over.
Only “conservative” lie-gobblers think otherwise—because their conservative “news” sources tell them the lies and disinformation they want to hear.

Have you seen the CV’s of the speakers at the Heartland Institute’s programs there Parthy-boy? Why do you fear intellectual debate? Oh yes, because you are stupid…..
NASA, is that the same one that keeps incinerating their astronauts due to 1st grade engineering gaffes? Those are “your experts.” Can we have a couple shuttle crews provide testimonials? Oh wait, no, they are dead, due to total imcompetence.
Yes, NASA is a “go-to” source for infallible science.

Media? The MSM ignores due to total political bias. One need only look at the way the IOM Leape’s study “To Err is Human” IS STILL CITED as fact today, even though it was scientifically discredited in 2002.
And thus,
You dodged the last thread’s question, Mr “Genius”:
If you GW science is so firm, why do the genius President, and the 60% Dem majorities not pass GW law?
What is the freaking holdup there parthy?
Could it be far the same reason COngress still hasnt taken action on “the 98k killed every year by hospital errors!!!!”

Oh yes, both are ignored because: both are JUNK science.
Parth: you should get a degree in science, it would at least give you a fighting chance on blogs. Now you come to a gunfight with a dull thumbtack.
Your Blaine over-the-top insults dont deflect away from your obvious lack of knowledge. Try a new schtick?

Educated, you are not…………

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

Greg,

Controlling our borders from illegal immigration is on of the few responsibilities our Federal Government should have, but they are failing miserably at it. This lack of border control is hurting our economy and driving up the cost of healthcare, and can be blamed on both liberal Democrats and RINO Republicans. Obama will again be pushing for illegal alien amnesty, but the American people need to speak up and block this once again.

“Government will always intrude on our lives D2 ….”

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet Greg. Wait until Obama’s Marxist idiology comes to reality, God forbid!

6th district Jim says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

As for science ignorance in the 6th, you take the cake, Mr Science.

You do argue like a first grader, I will give you that!
:o)

6th district Jim says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Alas, I am the fool to spend time arguing science with Parth.
It would be like Nimitz (me) arguing sailing with Gilligan (Parth);

But hey, Parth I am sure that the GW legislation will pass…….soon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I’ll get back to you.

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

“You ain’t seen nothin’ yet Greg. Wait until Obama’s Marxist idiology comes to reality, God forbid! ”

I don’t see it coming … of course, I’m not suffering from PS either.

I do see extremists showing glimpses of soci@list and fascist ideology.

parthian says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

Ha-ha, 6DJ got a mite irritated over being called out on his science ignorance—good! Now NASA’s scientists aren’t “experts” and are “incompetents”. What an abject moron. You’ll say (and believe) anything.

6DJ, you know literally NOTHING about the specfics of the global warming “debate”. Your beloved dissenters merely repackage lame arguments that the not-on-the-payroll) climate scientists (like NASA’s) have addressed and resolved years ago. No one “fears” the arguments made by your Heartlanders–they’ve been dealt with, repeatedly.

Their arguments don’t hold any water, but you (someone who cretinously thinks that a 30% increase in CO2 is insignificant to the planet’s heat radiation–which no actual scientist does) thinks anything your “side” says is valid.

As to current legislation, the House has already passed it’s global warming/energy bill, and the senate will take the matter up this fall. Then what will you say? I’m sure it’ll be straight out of the rightwing sewage troughs you gorge at, that’s for sure!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

“As to current legislation, the House has already passed it’s global warming/energy bill, and the senate will take the matter up this fall. Then what will you say?”

Partisan, elections have consequences, but the idiots who vote to destroy our economy in the name of a leftist scam/hoax will soon be out of a job.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

And Partisan,

Now that ACORN is being exposed as a corrupt tool of the the democrat party, maybe people will wise up to “Globull Warming” as well.

adlib says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

“But hey, Parth I am sure that the GW legislation will pass…….soon.”

If it doesn’t we’ll see alot more green skies as a result or the “Blue Skies” legislation W signed.

But what color the skies are in anyone’s world are a matter of personal optics, or myopia as it were.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

Goodnight all!

Really this time. I’m done. No matter how Liberal Greg, Comrade Partisan, or SgtLiberalton try to tempt me to stay up.

parthian says:

September 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

“leftist scam hoax”

Said by the BQer who actually has the intelligence of a below average first grader.

I thought it was past your 8:30 bedtime, 2Dim—mommy lettin’ you stay up because the big boys are talkin’ to you?

Greg 63 says:

September 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

“Really this time. I’m done. No matter how Liberal Greg, Comrade Partisan, or SgtLiberalton try to …”

See, this is only the beginning.

“…tempt me to stay up. ”

This is the real part of that message.

He’s got wood for all things male again.

adlib says:

September 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

“Correction: In an incredibly ironic twist, I misspelled Bachmann’s name myself in the first sentence of this post. It’s since been fixed.”

Eric confessing to a liberal bias? Nahh. Michele la Belle is capable of turning more than one head 360 degrees. An exorcism might help.

lloydletta says:

September 16th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Bachmann spokesman Dave Dziok has this response to Ellison’s comments: “Maybe Congressman Ellison should worry less about what Congresswoman Bachmann is doing, and more about what the friends he’s defending like ACORN are doing with his constituents’ tax dollars.”

EY: Perhaps Dave Dziok should worry less about Keith Ellison, and more about requesting a pardon (then withdrawing the request) from major donor, and Petters Pal Frank Vennes.

adlib says:

September 16th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

“With….czars who are communist…” no wonder the Russian Revolution succeeded

adlib says:

September 16th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

“Maybe Congressman Ellison should worry less about what Congresswoman Bachmann is doing, and more about what the friends he’s defending like ACORN are doing with his constituents’ tax dollars.”

It’s hard to escape that ones who blame ACORN for Obama’s “close” election victory have scored a media coup with their sting video.

Everyone’s piling on Jimmy Carter as being nuts for characterizing much of the Obama bashing as racially motivated. But he ought to be able recognize what’s happening as well as anybody from the South. Anyone there that doesn’t talk in code can at least recognize it when he hears it. Pity the fools who are are talking it unaware that they’re participating.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:48 am

“I thought it was past your 8:30 bedtime, 2Dim—mommy lettin’ you stay up because the big boys are talkin’ to you?”

My day is half over before you crawl out of bed Comrade Partisan!

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 6:21 am

That’s a good point adlib. Educated southerners are usually far too polite to say something racist publicly. If you look at what happened in simple terms: a representative from a southern state is the first person ever to interrupt a president (who happens to be the first black president) while addressing a joint session of congress…it certainly gives one the impression of racism.

Carter is probably the only white guy from the south with the cojones to recognize that for what it is. But he makes a more valid point for me — in that where does this vitriol come from? People HATE Obama, basically for “no reason” other than the fact that they feel he’s a “radical” — when he’s actually quite middle of the road politically. Seems logical to conclude there’s something else going on there in people’s opinions that they’re not talking about.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:35 am

Reid “Let me be very clear, I will not bring a health insurance reform bill to the Senate floor that is not good for Nevada.”

Someone is worried about the fall of 2010

“People HATE Obama, basically for “no reason” other than the fact that they feel he’s a “radical” — when he’s actually quite middle of the road politically.”

And they hated Bush for what reasons?

6th district Jim says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:45 am

6DJ, you know literally NOTHING about the specfics of the global warming “debate”. Your beloved dissenters merely repackage lame arguments

I know this Parth:
Your side presents “science” devoid of modern scientific methodology ( you, who thought a “p” value was how far a guy paint a snowbank in winter :o )
How bad is it for “your side?”

1. I heard Thomas Friedman on the radio Tuesday, and his PP column AGAIN today, legimately addresses the non-believers. He respectively (imagine that) addresses the nonbelievers as a large and legitimate group.

2. So why didnt the GW legislation sail thru in the spring of 2009?
Are all the Dems “garbage eating morons” in your type of words…..
oh yes, let’s wait for the fall…….

You throw out insults, I cite studies.
Kind of like the debate between the Ellison and MB districts.

But you have a good day. I will enjoy a nice warm day without a bit of angst.
And trust me, I only get irritated when I realize I waste MY time arguing science issues with someone like you (ie obviously, no formal science education):
But you go big guy!
Rally around the “what O-ring?” or “cracked heat shields are a problem?”
geniuses, who are desperate for funding.
;o)

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:45 am

“when he’s actually quite middle of the road politically. Seems logical to conclude there’s something else going on there in people’s opinions that they’re not talking about.”

No I think the same people who played the “game” for the last 8 years are just surprised the other side knows how to play the “game” too.

God, the surprise some of you people have for the things being said and printed is just amazing. How fast we forget.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:55 am

I guess Sgt didn’t watch many Bill Maher shows the last 8 years or read KOS or Moveon or even paid attention to the signs and slogans of the anti-war demonstrations.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:21 am

“I cite studies”

Um, where are those “studies”, Mr Science? In Thomas Friedman’s column? On Jason Lewis’s conserva-talk show?

Every reference you ever make to actual science is erroneous–like your p value obsession and wingnut simpleton “desperate for funding!” anti-science idiocy. If you were indeed ever science trained (which I doubt), it didn’t take!

“and they hated Bush for what reasons?”

Tiny, if you can’t figure that out by now, there’s no point rehashing it all over again. You’re a lost cause as a “thinker”….

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am

The other aspect of Ellison’s observation about Bachmann clearing out of the hearing is that Dingbat Michele has no real interest in actually learning anything about the subjects she supposedly “legislates” on. Because she has no real interest in actual government and policy. Because she’s just a brain-dead conservative cheerleader, and that’s all she ever wanted to be.

She’s not a serious person. She wasn’t taken seriously in the MN senate and she’s not taken seriously in the US House. Because she doesn’t want to be taken seriously as a legislator.

That’s the conserva-clown you elected, 6th District!

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:41 am

And they hated Bush for what reasons?

Before 911, Bush had something like a 55% apporval rating, which shot up to 90+% after 911. I think hating any president is stupid, but at least the people who hated Bush waited a few years until he really screwed up. Obama’s already being labels by tons of GOoPers like you and 2Dim as “the worst president ever” — don’t you think 8 months is a little premature to say that?

Tiny, in May 1993, you could by a calendar called “365 Reasons to Hate Bill Clinton” — this is pretty much the standard MO for the GOP — to try and sabotage a president before he starts doing anything.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:14 am

With liberal lunacy being exposed daily such as ACORN and czars who are communist, think Bush is behind 9-11, want to ban hunting, and think animals deserve legal representation, not to mention that the democrat soci@list party is hurting us economically, Michele will be more popular than ever.

If my cat gets a lawyer, I’m fvcked.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:18 am

Tiny writes:

“How fast we forget”

Sarge writes:

“in May 1993, you could by a calendar called “365 Reasons to Hate Bill Clinton”

Selective memory-we all got it, we all forget we got it, we all accuse “the other side” of it.
It’s what’s for political fodder.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:25 am

“Greg, Michele Bachmann has as much in common with our Founding Fathers as Comrade Obama has in common with Karl Marx.”

This is a statement I agree with, but not for the reasons Dare2 implies.

Bachmann has little in common with the Founding Fathers (other than being the same biological species) and Obama likewise has little in common with Marx.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:27 am

In any case, Michele Bachmann is by far the most attractive woman in Congress

Good looking with the IQ of a fencepost.

That’s the way I like it.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:31 am

Michele doesn’t want government to step in and intrude by redefinining the traditional definition of marriage

I can get on board with that concept.

If one good looking wife with the IQ of a fencepost is a good thing, two is even better.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:35 am

“I think hating any president is stupid, but at least the people who hated Bush waited a few years until he really screwed up. ”

I somewhat agree with that. After the 2000 election there were people who resented the Bush presidency and sought to refute the legitimacy of his election from day one. But they lost their voice on capitol hill after 9/11 because, well, it’s unbecoming to divide your house when it’s under attack.

Only when Bush allowed his handlers to pick a fight with the wrong enemy and squander thousands of our soldiers and hundreds of billions of our dollars in the wrong place did it become popular to criticize him again.

Myself, I never hated Bush the person. Seemed like a nice amiable well-meaning guy. Unfortunately I feel he was too naive for his country’s good, too loyal to those around him who had ulterior motives, and I feel he became an unwitting shill for the forces of evil.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:37 am

“Michele Bachmann is by far the most attractive woman in Congress.”

Maybe so, but look at her competition. Compared to my wife she looks a little dessicated.

Downtown Dan says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am

Partisan, elections have consequences, but the idiots who vote to destroy our economy in the name of a leftist scam/hoax

Once our building’s conversion to high efficiency mechanical systems and lighting is complete we’ll have a 3 year payback and save more than $200,000 a year in utilities. Dozens of contractors will see work and we’ll save a ton of money.

So how exactly is this destroying the economy?

Downtown Dan says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Dan, have you heard about this? I know how concerened you are about eliminationist rhetoric considering your zero tolerance policy.

I did see this, and I thought the Right’s eliminationist rhetoric has gotten so bad it’s started to infect the left. But I suppose considering how often that kind of language has been tolerated it was only a matter of time before it started to spread across the spectrum. It’s a shame more people couldn’t be bothered to speak out against it before it became commonplace.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:56 am

If you look at what happened in simple terms: a representative from a southern state is the first person ever to interrupt a president (who happens to be the first black president) while addressing a joint session of congress…it certainly gives one the impression of racism.

Unless he’s trying to avoid the guaranteed accusations of playing the race card that the radio talkers are sure to run with, the President disagrees with you.

I fail to see racism behind Wilson’s outburst. Maybe irrational anger coming from a sense of power abruptly being stripped from him in January, but not any clear racism.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am

I did see this, and I thought the Right’s eliminationist rhetoric has gotten so bad it’s started to infect the left.

Maybe that’s what happened.
Corruption from Diebold infected ACORN management, causing them to hire people that have no problem with tax fraud and
child prostitution.

Never mind. I’m just entertaining wild ideas of a world where management is responsible for the people they hire.

Downtown Dan says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Corruption from Diebold infected

That wasn’t a bug, it was a feature.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:21 am

“If you look at what happened in simple terms: a representative from a southern state is the first person ever to interrupt a president (who happens to be the first black president) while addressing a joint session of congress…it certainly gives one the impression of racism.”

I see someone watched Countdown With Keith Olberman last night.

I doubt it was the first time a person ever interupted the Pres. during an address to a joint session of congress. Maybe since TV or Radio, but probably not the first time. Andrew Jackson’s opponenets called his wife a bigomus whore. He was involved in 13 duels in his time as a politician. This kind of incivility isnt new. Joe Wilson has gotten off easy, but its not new to Washington.

Calling Obama a liar in front of the entire nation is bad enough to warrant being censured, but I wouldnt call it racist. Carrying a picture of Obama dressed up like a witch doctor? THATS racist.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:34 am

“And yes, I will compare the school performance and crime rates of MB’s district anytime to that of Ellisons.”

But you are required by Law to eat at The Olive Garden once a week in her district too. No thanks, Id rather be beaten to death with a bat by a crack head in Ellison’s district than to be forced to sit through the endless pasta bowl feast.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:39 am

“Before 911, Bush had something like a 55% apporval rating, which shot up to 90+% after 911. I think hating any president is stupid, but at least the people who hated Bush waited a few years until he really screwed up. Obama’s already being labels by tons of GOoPers like you and 2Dim as “the worst president ever” — don’t you think 8 months is a little premature to say that?”

You have got to be kidding? So other then those things the left would have LOVED Bush.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:50 am

“You have got to be kidding”

Tiny, the point is the left didn’t come out of the gate, four square, against W. They had to get to know him before they realized what a dork he was. The right has been screaming about anything O since day 1-you included.
Jeez, talk about how fast people forget things.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am

“Tiny, in May 1993, you could by a calendar called “365 Reasons to Hate Bill Clinton” — this is pretty much the standard MO for the GOP — to try and sabotage a president before he starts doing anything.”

Of for god sake. I have a friend who bought a T Shirt that said “Not My President” on it with a picture of Bush’s face as soon as Bush won. I cant tell you how many birthday cards I saw making fun of Bush, or calenders etc etc. Oliver Stone made a movie mocking the sitting president of the US. Is that acceptable?
http://www.teesforall.com/product_info.php?language=en&products_id=2975

Come on Sgt. if you dont understand that both parties are looking to blast away at the opposition from the moment they take teh oath of office, you’re not paying attention.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:56 am

“Tiny, the point is the left didn’t come out of the gate, four square, against W.”

I disagree. Some of them did, my fiend and his T Shirt for example. And we were also in a different time then pre 9/11. And if you think McCain would be getting flowers delivered to him at the Oval Office by the left right now had he won you’re lying to yourself. The Left was prepared to go gangbusters against McCain had he won, day one.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:05 am

“Come on Sgt. if you dont understand that both parties are looking to blast away at the opposition from the moment they take teh oath of office, you’re not paying attention”

Right, there was left wing radio castigating W from the moment he was sworn in, the dems in Congress didn’t play ball with him at all, in fact one called him a liar during a nationally televised address in Congress.
Depends on what you’re paying attention to, Deacon.

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:05 am

No, my point is that they waited a few years until he actually did something bad.

You’re either being dishonest Tiny, or you don’t remember things very well — this amount of vitriol for the first 8 months of a presidents first term is completely unprecedented.

In 2001, the spin coming from the RW media was basking in the new Republican administration…like there was peace and harmony in the world, Bush was popular amongst libs and GOPers because he was ushering in a new era of compassionate conservatism. “Restoring honor to the Presidency” — remember that? I voted for Bush in 2000, so I was happy as a clam. Even my liberal parents thought Bush was doing okay.

Prior to 911, we used to call Fox News “Chandra Levy News” because that’s ALL they talked about. If someone would have gone on TV — even Fox News — and said the Democrats were soc1a1sts, they’d have been laughed off the show.

Look at this — from April 2001 — Jesse Jackson was offering to HELP the Bush administration negotiate for the release of some AF pilots. Does that sound like vitriol to you?

http://web.archive.org/web/20010413232244/www.cnn.com/2001/US/04/10/jackson.china/

Why is it so hard for you to believe this is unprecedented for a first term?

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:07 am

Here — Bush trying to save energy

http://web.archive.org/web/20010511192107/www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/05/03/bush.energy.ap/index.html

The pre-911 Bush administration got very little resistance from Democrats, Tiny. They gave him a chance.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:12 am

“I disagree”

Well, that’s what this blog is all about. As I said above, we all suffer from selective memory. I don’t disagree that both parties attack the other position at every opportunity. I do think the opposition to O has come from right from the get go and with a much higher degree of vehemence that I recall when W came it. Could be that selective memory thing…

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:12 am

“Why is it so hard for you to believe this is unprecedented for a first term?”

Since when, the past 50 years? 100 years? Ever?

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:16 am

“I do think the opposition to O has come from right from the get go and with a much higher degree of vehemence that I recall when W came it.”

And if McCain had one? All the GOP has left is the extreme right, all the moderates are gone. If the situation was reveresed and all teh Dems had left were the Parth style progressives and McCain had won, what do you think would be going on right now?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:24 am

“In 2001, the spin coming from the RW media was basking in the new Republican administration…like there was peace and harmony in the world, Bush was popular amongst libs and GOPers because he was ushering in a new era of compassionate conservatism. “Restoring honor to the Presidency” — remember that?”

Was that after they said he rob them of a Gore Presidency. No I didn’t hear any of that sh^t.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:25 am

Here’s a pretty good take on the state of American politics from the perspective of the people. This criticizes the conservative side, and nails D2 right between the eyes, but I see plenty of it on both sides.

www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/59547247.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:U0ckkD:aEyKUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr

I’m no liberal — and I don’t trust this president. But please: Call off the clowns.

By ROD DREHER, Dallas Morning News

“Conservatism is not dead, it’s undead — a zombie…”
No, it’s a vampire dedicated to sucking the life out of anyone who disagrees with it. Might makes right, my way or the highway, you’re … read more either with us or against us. The undead see no shades of gray in the world. If only we could figure out how to put a
Last week, the president delivered an education speech that fell somewhat short of the standard set by Lenin in his address at the Finland Station launching the Bolshevik Revolution. Barack Obama told America’s schoolchildren to work hard, respect their teachers and take responsibility for their own success.

Which, in the language of the tinfoil-hatters, reads: Allahu akbar, comrades.

It would be a pleasant surprise if conservatives who took the president of the United States addressing youths as an opportunity to stumble toward the fainting couch realized that they had made fools of themselves. Fat chance. Obama Derangement Syndrome is pandemic on the right — and it’s leaving conservatives like me politically homeless…..

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:27 am

“And if McCain had one?”

Good question. You could be right-people ARE pretty stirred up these days. A McCain administration would be viewed by some as a 3rd W term. Would the dems become the party of no in that scenario? It’s a good question-we’ll never know.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am

I read that this morning too, vomit. Thought it was a pretty good piece.

Major Roger Healey says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am

“PRESIDENT BUSH’S FIRST 100 DAYS IN OFFICE: A CONSUMER VIEW”

“WASHINGTON, D.C. - George W. Bush will mark his 100th day as President of the United States on April 29. Consumers Union (CU) has looked at major actions by the Bush Administration to date that affected the consumer issues monitored by CU”

1. President Bush refused to help consumers harmed by the Western electricity crisis.

2. President Bush opposed comprehensive protections for patients in HMOs.

3. President Bush proposed large budget cuts and misguided plans for health care.

4. The Bush Administration refused to provide adequate funding for low-income energy assistance.

5. The Bush Administration decided to allow cable TV and telephone monopolies to expand.

6. President Bush endorsed a bankruptcy bill that excessively punishes honest consumers hit by unexpected debts.

7. The Bush Administration proposed killing a program to help low-income consumers who cannot afford to open bank accounts.

“While Consumers Union disagrees with the President on the decisions cited above, the Bush Administration has also taken some actions that we believe are very beneficial to consumers. We hope to see the President take more positions like these:”

1. President Bush permitted rules to help patients maintain the privacy of their medical records. Last year, then-President Clinton proposed rules to protect the confidentiality of personal medical information.

2. The Bush Administration withdrew a proposal to end government testing for salmonella in school lunches.

So the democrats did not oppose any of these items?

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:41 am

Opposing a act or a bill that the president is behind isn’t the same as calling him a liar, or that he’s trying to arrange a commun1st overthrow.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am

“President Bush endorsed a bankruptcy bill that excessively punishes honest consumers hit by unexpected debts”

“So the democrats did not oppose any of these items?”

The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act pass in 2005-the bill passed by large margins, 302-126 in the House and 74-25 in the Senate.
Some Dems must have opposed it, but, obviously, some supported it too.

Major Roger Healey says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:53 am

“isn’t the same as calling him a liar,”

One member of congress.

I heard the democrat leader ship call Bush alot worse. Not just the rank and file. The democrat leadership.

Major Roger Healey says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am

The only time there was any civility in washington was post 9/11 and that only lasted 3 or 4 months.

Major Roger Healey says:

September 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

The only thing during the bush administration as big and potentially harmful to our nation if not done right that can be compared to Obamacare would be their decision to go into Iraq. Now imagine the rankor from the democrats had bush attempted to go into Iraq his first year in office. Before 9/11.

Obama is taking on something huge. I for one am glad there’s alot of noise about it. It gives them pause. Time to think about it and get it right.

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

I’m not talking about civility in Washington - I’m talking about the RW noise factory.

Yes, only one member of congress call him a liar. He inturreupted a speech the president was giving to a joint session so that he could call that. That is completely unprecendented. Nice try.

Were people on the left saying that the Bush administration was a failure before 911? No way. Go to archive.org, and type in the URL of any news website — check out what was in the news prior to 911 — very little noise coming from the Dems on anything.

Ooh and one more — yes — wait wait slow down! 15 years is TOO FAST for health care reform. Let’s take our time and do it right.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Yeah, a proposed expansion of health insurance to most Americans, regulation of private insurance abuses and the creation of a public gub’mint insurance option to increase competition is CERTAINLY on a par with being lied into the invasion and occupation of Iraq to “liberate” its oil, Major H!

It’s interesting to see BQers views of the first months of Bushco and to see that the wingnuts (tiny, etc) think the current level of Obama hatred was exactly the same as what Bush received in his first few months.

Of course, the two situations are not remotely similar—Bush was installed in office as the first president in 113 years to lose the popular vote, and the first president to obtain his electoral college “win” via a decision of the Supreme Court (and that 5-4, with every majority vote being a Repub).

Bush thus came into office as (at best) a weak electoral college president and (at worst) a completely illegitimate president. And many on the left felt that way for good reason—it happened to be the case!

The question is how did the MSM and the Dems in DC respond to this electoral college prez? Did they take the position that Bush had no mandate to govern, as had always been the case when the nation had “elected” presidents solely via the electoral college? Did they run daily stories about the many voting abuses in FL as they were uncovered? Did they ask Bush questions day after day as to why an electoral college president should govern as though he won a popular majority? No. Quite the opposite.

The corporate press immediately declared the “legimacy” issue dead, and treated Bush as a president like any other. So did the Dems in Congress. To question Bush’s legitimacy or his obvious lack of a mandate was unseemly. To constantly remind the nation that Bush lost the popular vote was avoided.

Of course we know what the Conservative Noise Machine did with Bush’s “election”. Ballyhooed it as though he were Lyndon Johnson.

We also saw very little of the American left who disputed Bush’s legitimacy on the tube—unlike today, where the cable news is filled with every lunatic claim of every bonehead rightwinger they can find, from birthers to deathers to Hitler indoctrinators. No wingnut view goes unheard on the corporate MSM and of course it’s 24/7 on the Noise Machine.

Wingnuts also seem to forget that Bush rammed through his fiscally disastrous $2.5 trillion tax cut for the rich in summer 2001, which unquestionably and predictibly set the stage for the massive explosion of debt as he then dragged us into two land invasions in Asia.

Obama? Won the election with over 53% of the popular vote, including numerous red states. Passed a $750 billion stimulus package in the midst of the Greatest Recession since the Depression. With no Repub votes in the House. Pretty controversial policy, eh?

So certainly Obama merits the level of rightwing hatred that both the corporate MSM and Rightwing Noise Machine are spewing every day. No day without Rightwing Hate ™—that’s Murica’s motto!

Earsall Mackbee says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Roger Healey, care to provide sources or did D2 just change his name?

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

Ooh and one more — yes — wait wait slow down! 15 years is TOO FAST for health care reform. Let’s take our time and do it right.

Fifteen years and Obama still tries to shove something through congress without discussion, or enough time for the people to digest exactly what those reforms are going to be, what would be covered under a public option, how they’re going to be paid for, and so on.

Believe me when I say I’d really like to see some type of public option, because I’d like to have the luxury of losing my job without having to worry about the $1500 per month my prescription meds alone would cost me, but so far nothing has been presented that earns my confidence.

John E Iacono says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

In my opinion, calling anyone who disagrees with me “dumb” is…dumb.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

And if you lose your job in the current regime, how’s that gonna work out for you, vomit?

You’re the exact sort of person the various reforms will benefit. How much time do you spend reading about the plan and what are your sources?

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

“Ooh and one more — yes — wait wait slow down! 15 years is TOO FAST for health care reform. Let’s take our time and do it right”

Part of the legacy of the W administration is a built in distrust of government. As the right slowly lost control of Congress over his terms, the mantra “wasteful and inefficient government” became more prevelant. It’s a scorched earth policy that I’ be kinda interested to see the right try to spin out of should they gain a majority in the near fututre.
And the left isn’t helping matters with the waffling we see in Congress. If ever a party had a mandate, it would be the Democrats after the last election.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

“If ever a party had a mandate, it would be the Democrats after the last election.”

IF???? Anyone who voted Dem and thought ‘THIS time it’ll be different’, is getting played.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

And if you lose your job in the current regime, how’s that gonna work out for you, vomit?

That’s exactly why I say I’d like to see some sort of public option.

You’re the exact sort of person the various reforms will benefit.

I’ve stated here before the problems I’ve seen with people who have gone bankrupt, and had to get lawyers just to get the SSI benefits they’re entitled to receive. So yes, I’ll benefit only if another massive, faceless bureaucracy created. That’s where my confidence is lost.

How much time do you spend reading about the plan and what are your sources?

Which plan? It changes from week to week. I have five doctors (I find they and their staffers are better source of honest information than anything else) I see regularly, and none of them are really quite sure how my care would be affected.

My point is that the fifteen years have been wasted arguing between single payer/no reform. Real honest debate
is just beginning.

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

I voted Dem for a different approach to the problems than the same ol crap that clearly was getting us nowhere.

Downtown Dan says:

September 17th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Anyone who voted Dem and thought ‘THIS time it’ll be different’, is getting played.

Anyone who voted is getting played.

Fixed.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

I figure I’ll give the Dems a shot at whatever healthcare option they’ll eventually have to get signed into law, and if my healthcare suffers, I’ll vote so far to the right that under the next admin, I’ll have the luxury of being able to harvest the organs of poor people.

I’ll all work out.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

“I voted Dem for a different approach to the problems than the same ol crap that clearly was getting us nowhere.”

How’s that workin’ out for you so far???

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Sorry Sgt., no offense, but that’s hilarious.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

“Anyone who voted is getting played.”

And yet you still think your side is making a difference.

“Fixed.”

Dont worry Dan, this joke is still clever and funny.

TrueBlue011 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

Deacon writes:

“IF???? Anyone who voted Dem and thought ‘THIS time it’ll be different’, is getting played.”

You think it would have been wise to torpedo TARP last fall? That was action taken by the Democrats. It prevented the collapse of the financial system in the United States.

You think that the stimulus bill at a bare minimum of $700 Billion was a bad idea? That was done by the Democrats with nary a Republican vote.

Those two actions alone are why we are not currently in the Great Depression, Part 2.

But still, Deacon plays the game where none of this makes any difference.

Who is the fool here?

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

“That was action taken by the Democrats.”

Who was the president again last fall? So lets see according to you, Clinton didnt deregulate and Bush didnt sign TARP, is that about the way you remember it Blue? The Dems saved the world all on their own. Another joke from True. If you want to be serious we can but you need to be honest about who did what and when.

“Who is the fool here?”

You.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

“But still, Deacon plays the game where none of this makes any difference.”

Who is going to get rich off the Max Baucus plan True? Your public option is as dead as disco. You got PLAYED.

TrueBlue011 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

That is it Deacon; trying to twist the facts yet again.

You KNOW that it was the Democrats in Congress who were required to act in order to pass TARP. How many Republicans voted for it?

That is right; how many?

President Bush, to his credit, went along upon the advisde of his Treasury Secretary, Paulson. But where was the Republican party in the fall of 2008.

Absent and not caring what happened next to America’s economy and focusing on short term political gain.

But, all this blows by Deacon because he is too distracted playing his childish games to notice.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

“You think that the stimulus bill at a bare minimum of $700 Billion was a bad idea?”

How much of the recovery so far is from Stimulus, and how much is from the pent up demand behind the business cycle, banks access to cheap govt capital and corporate america running lean?

TrueBlue011 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

Why are you changing the subject Deacon?

You got tagged on TARP and the stimulus plan; but, you think that by changing subjects that no one will notice?

There was a huge difference between how the parties reacted last fall and this spring. One party acted responsibly and in the nation’s best interests and the other sought partisan political gain at a time of national crisis.

But, apparantly, Deacon never noticed.

What a fool.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

You KNOW that it was the Democrats in Congress who were required to act in order to pass TARP.

The same Democrats that were going to get the troops home in 2006 if only Bush wasn’t in office to keep the Dems from passing any legislation that Bush would have vetoed.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

One party acted responsibly and in the nation’s best interests and the other sought partisan political gain at a time of national crisis.

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste”

Rahm Emanuel (D)

GO lonoscopy says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

What I remember is Bush didn’t really get slammed on until the end of his 1st term and it was mainly for Iraq. Hell he even opened up Faith Based funding without much noise at all from the left.
Remember the clinton years. The right’s hate and constant attacks of clinton were much greater than they are against Obama. Endless investigations over and over again.

I’m with vomit on the need of some kind of public option. COBRA is a scam and doesn’t work when a person gets laidoff. I used COBRA once when I quit to take another job. My pay was higher, not less, and there was no worry of spending some of my savings to maintain healthcare till the new jobs benefits kicked in.

There ya go, 2 cents worth of GO. tear it up. I’ve gotta go split some wood.
:-)

TrueBlue011 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

Did the Democrats act responsibly להקיא when they passed TARP last fall and the stimulus package this spring?

YES or NO?

Answer the question…

GO lonoscopy says:

September 17th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

“How much of the recovery so far is from Stimulus,”

Zero. To Obama’s credit he has kept a tight fist on that money. It gonna take time ans legislation more than it is going to take money to turn this economy around.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

TrueBlue,
Should betty McCollum apologize for calling tea party protestors teabaggers?

Answer the question…

Regarding the question you posed to Vomit, I do think passing TARP was a responsible thing for Congress to do.
So was Bush signing it.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

The stimulus package (admittedly all the Dems’ doing) respoinsible?

Eh, well, jurie’s still out. Maybe.

TrueBlue011 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

I do appreciate, Go, the fact that you give the President credit for something; but…

Just one for instance, you do not think it is a very big deal that part of the stimulus bill provided funding for state and local governments?

Minnesota received aproximately $2 Billion dollars from the legislation. This meant, that Gov. Pawlenty, channeling the ghost of Herbert Hoover, did not have to make another $2 Billion in cuts to the Minnesota state budget. Something, for which, many Minnesota school children should be grateful.

This federal aid provided directly to the states is a big deal.

Passing the stimulus bill sent a message to the markets and the economy in general that this President and this Congress were not going to follow the example of Herbert Hoover and do nothing while the financial system and the economy collapsed. This was and remains a HUGE deal; and why I believe we are not now living the Great Depression 2.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

“You got tagged on TARP and the stimulus plan; but, you think that by changing subjects that no one will notice?”

OOOOOO… Ive been tagged by True Blue.

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

How’s that workin’ out for you so far???

I’ll tell you -

Economy turning around?
Check.

Swtich the focus of the war on terror to Afghanistan and South Asia, where the terrorists actually ARE?
Check.

Prioritize repairing our reputation around the world?
Check.

Recognize that Russia must be a vital ally in fighting Islamic fundamentalism?
Check.

Reform health care?
Nope.

4 out of my 5 biggies ain’t bad DB. I think he’s doing okay. Ask me in another year, and I might feel differently, but I’m feeling good right now.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

“There was a huge difference between how the parties reacted last fall and this spring.”

Ill give you this spring. But, last fall it was a republican in the Oval Office and a Republican appointed Sect. Of The Treasury.

Like ususal you’re dealing only with half the facts.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

“One party acted responsibly and in the nation’s best interests and the other sought partisan political gain at a time of national crisis.”

Apparently you’ve forgotten what Bush and Paulsen were doing the months or Sept and Oct of 2008. But remembering would require you to admit things you’d rather forget.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

“Economy turning around?
Check.”

Im not convinced that aside from the TARP program and the Feds action (non partisan btw) that we can be sure how much the Dems are responsible for the current turn around, yet….

“Swtich the focus of the war on terror to Afghanistan and South Asia, where the terrorists actually ARE?
Check.”

I think escalation is a mistake.

“Prioritize repairing our reputation around the world?
Check.”

Check.

“Recognize that Russia must be a vital ally in fighting Islamic fundamentalism?
Check.”

I dont know enough to comment on this.

“Reform health care?
Nope.”

Roger that.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

“Passing the stimulus bill sent a message to the markets and the economy in general that this President and this Congress were not going to follow the example of Herbert Hoover and do nothing while the financial system and the economy collapsed.”

Yeah right. One has nothing to do with the other. Of course a loyal Dem would see it this way. A realist would understand its just a little more complicated considering the fact that the DJI, Nasdaq and S&P all dropped another 20% or so after the bill was passed. Consumer confidence went down further and so did real estate values.

How much of the recovery is the business cycle True Blue?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

“Just one for instance, you do not think it is a very big deal that part of the stimulus bill provided funding for state and local governments?”

Now this is a good point.

Why did the state govts need funding though?

Because of revenue shortfalls and they can’t operate on a deficit because they can’t mint money.

So the Federal govt borrowed and/or minted money to bail them out. Good finger in the dike kinda measure.

But…
Our federal deficit is getting hugemnormous. Castles made of sand fall into the sea eventually, don’tchya know. How big can it get? That’s an unknown.
Borrowing/minting more and more money because Keynesian spending spree is the only tool in our belt seems just as dangerous as failing to reduce carbon emissions worldwide.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Didn’t Hoover also try to resort in tarriff protectionism to stimulate domestic manufacturing? How did that work?

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

Interesting thread today by all.

For my part, I think GO’s 2 cents are worth a good $1 today.

But Obama Hatred and racism in general is being stoked daily by the irresponsible Right (such as Boss Rushbo and Hanniturd) and its Noise Machine. It will surpass the Right’s Clinton Hate fairly quickly—-Clinton frequently played ball with the enraged conserva-turds, for God’s sake, and look where it got him!

The sky’s the limit for the brain-dead Right’s baseless Obama Hatred.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

“I do appreciate, Go, the fact that you give the President credit for something; but…”

I also give him positive credit for-

sending more troops to afgahnistan.

adhearing to the agreement we have with Iraq regarding troop withdrawl.

Kicking up a dust storm on Healthcare reform. Neither side can avoid it now.

his speech to students

His repudiation of Jimmy Carters remarks about people hating him mostly because of racism. (”The president does not think it is based on the color of his skin,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters.)

and his opinion of Kayne West

GO lonoscopy says:

September 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

“For my part, I think GO’s 2 cents are worth a good $1 today.”

**♪♫*blushing*♪♫**

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

Go needed that affirmation from Parthian REEEEEAL bad…..

Downtown Dan says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

And yet you still think your side is making a difference.

I think the governing philosophy of one side is to fleece the sheep, while the governing philosophy of the other side is to slaughter the lamb.

I think my side is at least sustainable.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

“Our federal deficit is getting hugemnormous. Castles made of sand fall into the sea eventually, don’tchya know. How big can it get? That’s an unknown.
Borrowing/minting more and more money because Keynesian spending spree is the only tool in our belt seems just as dangerous as failing to reduce carbon emissions worldwide.”

By George!! I Think He’s Got It!!!!

dubble_a_ron says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

“The sky’s the limit for the brain-dead Right’s baseless Obama Hatred. ”

Like Yoda says,

Fear leads to anger,
anger leads to hate,
hate leads to the Dark Side and to suffering.

So it may be for many of these hyper-obama-haters.

But parthian,

Shouldn’t each of us be primarily concerned with our own fear, anger and hate?

Much of these I sense in you.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

“I think my side is at least sustainable.”

We’ll I say NO. Im going over to the window, stickin’ my head out and yellin’ IM AS MAD AS HELL,AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

Did the Democrats act responsibly להקיא when they passed TARP last fall and the stimulus package this spring?

YES or NO?

Answer the question…

NO!!

I will not answer the question, if you won’t say please.

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

Should betty McCollum apologize for calling tea party protestors teabaggers?

No, she should just accept her new moniker of ACORNholer and live with it.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

I was living in a GOP town
I didn’t know it was a GOP town
Oh lord it really brings me down about the GOP town

All my friends were Republicans
I didn’t know they were Republicans
It turns out I was a Republican myself in the GOP town

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

Clinton frequently played ball with the enraged conserva-turds, for God’s sake, and look where it got him!

Anyone smooth enough to get a Jewish girl to perform oral sex is going to breed a lot of resentment.

Trust me on this.

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