Bachmann elated at House vote on ACORN

September 17th, 2009 – 3:16 PM by Eric Roper

The House voted today to cut all federal funding from ACORN, a cause Rep. Michele Bachmann has been championing for several months.

She introduced a bill in June to block federal housing dollars from going to groups indicted for voter fraud, and battled with Rep. Barney Frank this spring over an amendment to do the same in the Financial Services committee (which she called the “ACORN amendment”).

“For several months now, I have been calling for the House to strip taxpayer funding to ACORN and finally, the Democrat majority has come to their senses and done just that,” Bachmann said in a statement. “ACORN has been in the news time and time again for violating election laws, but the Democrat majority refused to stop the flow of tax dollars to this organization. The vote today to finally strip them of their funding could not have come soon enough. I hope this vote is followed by a thorough investigation by the IRS, DOJ, and Congress into ACORN’s years of shady activities and abuse of the law and public trust. What a tremendous victory for the taxpayer!”

Only two members of the Minnesota congressional delegation voted against the provision to block funds from ACORN: Democrats Keith Ellison and Betty McCollum.

187 Responses to "Bachmann elated at House vote on ACORN"

Dora says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

This should be the start of a new policy.

Any group that receives federal funds that has employees accused of wrong doing should be stripped of all federal funding.

JonR says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

Any member of the House that suggests the media should investigate the members of Congress to determine who has what Bachmann called “anti-American” views should be repremanded on the House floor.

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

Well, well, well. If it isnt Mr.’I Hate The Japs’ himself.

How’ve you been JonR?

Deacon Blues says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

“Any group that receives federal funds that has employees accused of wrong doing should be stripped of all federal funding”

Does ACORN’s mgmt have any responsibility in this at all Dora?

להקיא says:

September 17th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

Like I just said on the other thread, Mcollum should wear her new title, ACORNholer, with pride.

While I would have rather seen a DOJ investigation of ACORN before having their funds cut, they’ve brought this on themselves through their own mismangement.

It’s a shame because this also hurts the people ACORN is supposed to be helping.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

I agree symbol guy.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

Listen Nancy I know carrying a gun to a protest is bad but carrying buckets of your own poop to throw at people who have a different political belief then you do…That should get some damn 24 News time and a damn statement from you but I don’t remember hearing either.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

“Any group that receives federal funds that has employees accused of wrong doing should be stripped of all federal funding.”

Should not be involved in any POLOTICAL activities either.

But I think the track record is clear with ACORN that’s why your seeing the vote counts you are seeing.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

And if “your vote” is so important then you should take the time to find out how and where to register and know what day the damn election is on. If its so important why do we have “pimp organization” going around registering people on the damn street corner.

Its crazy.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

Tiny ..

I agree with you. ACORN is one of many groups.

Check this out:

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/bipartisan-group-looks-to-reshape-voter-registration/

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Okay so here is Ann Curry presumably a advocate of woman rights sitting down wearing a scarf on her head because SOME MAN (Ahmadinejad) demands she do so.

I don’t get it?

Can someone explain to me and don’t give me this professional journalist crap.

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

Any politician who accuses mass, broad groups of racism and being klan members should immediately resign. There, any other rules that will never happen that we want to discuss?

Back for one day, then off to the Compound of Eden fro the weekend. Check out this poll:
Do you favor/oppose the current plan: -10 (38/48, up from 34/49 last month)
Will seniors be better/worse off under the plan: -11 (23/34)
Will your family be better/worse off: -14 (22/36)
Do you prefer ObamaCare/the current system: -9 (37/46)
Do you favor/oppose requiring everyone to buy insurance: -12 (42/54)
Would you want coverage from ObamaCare/private insurance if you were seriously ill: -42 (20/62 overall, 35/40 among Dems)
Is it possible/not possible that ObamaCare won’t add a dime to the deficit: -39 (28/67)
Under ObamaCare, will you be able to keep your plan/be forced to make changes: -24 (36/60)
Do you think the public option would not/would put private insurers out of business: -11 (41/52)

And now the punchline: The sample was 42% Democrat, 31% Republican, and 21% Independent. Even in a poll where respondents tilt blue, The One can’t do better than negatives across the board.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

The Republic is saved!

Reid should attach this ACORN funding cut to the senate global warming bill. That would be a fair trade for brain-dead Michele B and her adoring 6th District doofuses…

Does anyone have a clue why Schmoe-T always feels some need to tell us his personal schedule when he dumps one of his cut n’ pastes? Does he think anyone cares a turd?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

O.T. hell of a lot of racists out there. More then I ever imagined.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

How many racists did you imagine there were out there, tiny?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

parthian I know there is more then I thought in W Virgina and Ohio and Pa. Yep those democrat primary results sure open our eyes, me and you.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 17th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

“How many racists did you imagine there were out there, tiny?”

“Do you favor/oppose the current plan: -10 (38/48, up from 34/49 last month)”

parthian I guess 48% are.

Dora says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

“Does ACORN’s mgmt have any responsibility in this at all Dora? ”

As much responsibility as any other organization that has employees accused of wrongdoing.

JonR says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

DeaconBlues…I never said that. And I am quite well, thank you.

Dora says:

September 17th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

If you’re going to set a precedent of stripping federal funding from an organization that has employees accused of wrongdoing then it should be done for all. What is the possible argument for not doing so?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

The House today passed a bill by a 345-75 vote to stop all federal funding to ACORN. Every House Republican who attended the vote backed the measure.

Even the democrat controlled Congress voted overwhelmingly against this corrupt vote fraud group. Michele Bachmann has been calling for this block in funding for some time now and has been proven right! I also noticed that radical leftist Keith Hakim Ellison voted to keep tax dollars flowing into ACORN, but liberals LOVE to pick on Michele while leaving that nutcase alone.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

OT writes:

“Check out this poll:”

but neglects to give us a link. Where’d the poll come from, OT? Who funded it? What was the poll selection criteria? I’m sure you wouldn’t just take, say, parthians numbers on faith, would ya? Come on, get serious, and show us where you got your cut’n'paste.
I came across a poll on healthcare too, published 9/14/09 by the New England Journal of Medicine. Seems doctors views on healthcare reform “mirror” the general population-about 62% in favor of Os private/public option. Don’t believe me? Check it out yourself:

http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790&query=home

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

“…but liberals LOVE to pick on Michele while leaving that nutcase alone.”

The only reason they passed it is because she has acquired automatic weapons (illegally) and all of the home addresses to congress.

A nutcase with an automatic weapon is a scary thing.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

“she has acquired automatic weapons”

Don’t tease me like that Greg!

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

Perch, I understand your jealousy. I mean, when all you do is go work at the gas station, then back to mom’s basement to masturbate, then I cn feel your pain, brother… or sister, whatever.

You are right about the racists. I mean, 95% of blacks that voted were racist too apparently.

Funny, Dora but when the soldiers at Gitmo abused those prisoners out of stupidity and boredom, the blame went all the way to Bush and Cheney from you. But when the kid and the smoking hottie get the same result from every ACORN office they cvisit across the country, the buck stops…….with them?????? Liberal logic, go figure. If it doesn’t bash Bush, then it doesn’t count, I guess. Don’t worry, we don’t expect anything more from you than this.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

“Don’t tease me like that Greg! ”

Putting that muzzle up your gazoo with that crazed person at the controls is dangerous d2.

You know she’ll have the darn thing loaded …

wait ..

that will turn you on won’t it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Monty,

Most people don’t trust Obama with having government take over our healthcare system, and the dislike for the crazy idea is growing every day.

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Uh, Monty…. doctors are like 64% against the plan, and 40 some % say they will likely retire or quit if it goes through, but don’t let that stop ya. Bless your heart, trying so hard.

It was a Fox News poll, but look at the demographic polled and it skews to the left in numbers but barely affects the other polls comparisons.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

O.T.,

GREAT point comparing Club Gitmo to ACORN! I can’t wait for DFL Dora’s explanation!

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

“I also noticed that radical leftist…”

You keep using that phrase, d2. I do not think it means what you think it means.

“…a third group has arisen, known as the Radical Right. This group is a libertarian movement which places the individual squarely in the center. It is the individual who counts, not such institutions as the State. It has even attacked such sacred taboos as taxation by the Government, calling it robbery.

Its economics appears to be that of the Austrian School, which recognises that most of man’s problems are due to the interference of government, particularly in the arena of economics.

The movement is really an anarchistic one, although its adherents may not recognise that such is the case, for it is doubtful if many have analysed the full implications of the philosophy underlying it. But if the movement continues to gain strength, sooner or latter this fact will be brought out, then the problem will be how will the land be allocated with justice to all if there is no collective entity to do it.”

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/johannsen-oscar_the-radical-right.html

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

It’s from PBS, but there’s some good stuff in this ..

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/health-care-reform/index.html

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

“Uh, Monty…. doctors are like 64% against the plan”

Right. What would the New England Journal of Medicine know about conducting a rigorous poll that you don’t? But, just for grins, tell me, where do you get your “64%” figure?
Gosh, fox news. What a shock.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

Just me, but a great deal of people have been fed a great deal of misinformation regarding health care reform….

from both sides.

Where are the polls asking if health care needs to be ‘fixed’?

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Yeah, monty, your link to the NEJM poll is worthless—Schmoe-T thinks he saw another one somewhere where half the doctors in the US said they’d retire rather than practice with a fascist/soci*list/communist public option in existence—sounds believable, right?

Or did Officer Dogberry dream that “poll” up as well, like his hilarity about how our Gitmo prisoner abuse arose?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

I don’t buy it Monty. Many people who have been asleep politically are now waking up, and they don’t want to see America go down a soci@list path. These people aren’t radicals, they are Patriots! (or racists as Jimma Carter calls them).

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

“Where are the polls asking if health care needs to be ‘fixed’?”

There is no question that we can make it better Greg, starting with tort reform and doing a much better job of enforcing existing immigration laws.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

Gee OT, I don’t see ANYTHING about doctors views on your fox news “poll”. So where do you come up with things like “40 some % say they will likely retire or quit if it goes through”? Just curious.
Greg makes a good point about all the misinformation out there. You really have to filter what you read and take into account who it comes from. Did you even read the NEJM survey, OT? Pretty neat, huh? Think NEJM has any more credibility on the subjext of healthcare than, say, fox news?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

Greetings from “Eden”. Although it’s more like the “Vatican” to me.

But a lowly Human like myself shouldn’t try to label things. It’s just the finest spot on this rock that I’ve found.

I just wish Humans had the same sense of purpose and direction as Geese.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

“These people aren’t radicals, they are Patriots! ”

Or .. they’re falling for the crap tossed out by misinformation terrorists in our own country!

How can this be happening!

I mean ..

just look at this example:

http://www.dare2sayit.com

People should be outraged!

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

“I don’t buy it Monty”

I’m not surprised, d2. If you did(buy it, that is, or, in other words, look in the mirror), you wouldn’t be d2.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

Monty says:
“Greg makes a good point about all the misinformation out there.”

Monty, Obama himself is spewing more lies and misinformation than anyone, for example:
***************************
“I have not said that I was a single payer supporter.”

– President Obama, at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire this afternoon.

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan.”

– Obama, at a Senate campaign rally in 2003.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

“Think NEJM has any more credibility…”

No,of course he doesn’t. You’re expecting a brain dead wingnut to be rational—OT’s as far from rational as one can be.

Ideology is everything, and facts don’t exist for Schmoe-T, 2Dim and all the rest of the right-wing cretins here. They are conservative deadenders, and are beyond rational discussion or thought.

Just look at 2Dim’s posts, every last one of them devoid of the slightest connection to reality. Tells you all you need to know about America’s wingnut Right, circa 2009.

Brain dead zombies. There’s no other way to say it.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

“Greetings from “Eden”.”

How’d you do, CS? Man, you sure had a good run of weather there.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

“There is no question that we can make it better Greg, starting with tort reform and doing a much better job of enforcing existing immigration laws.”

No, it needs to start with people being honest …

and before you respond, that does include you.

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

Oh, here it is and it actually polls about 400 more doctors than your New England democrat’s poll. This is from the esteemed Investors Business Daily, not Fox News, ok?

A new Investor’s Business Daily poll of more than 1,300 physicians finds that nearly two-thirds (65%) don’t back ObamaCare, more than 70% say the government cannot provide insurance coverage for 47 million additional people and save money without harming quality, and 45% of doctors say they “would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement” if the liberal health care plan passes.

Earlier this week, as the front-page story in today’s Investor’s Business Daily noted, the Los Angeles Times ran a front-page story touting the American Medical Association (AMA)’s backing of President Obama’s health care plans, while a National Public Radio publicized a poll funded by a pro-ObamaCare group to claim that “nearly three-quarters of doctors said they favor a public option.”

The IBD/TIPP poll of 1,376 physicians suggests that the AMA does not represent most doctors as it advertises and lobbies on behalf of the administration’s plan, and offers a second opinion to the poll (of 991 physicians) originally published in the New England Journal of Medicine suggesting strong support for a bigger government role.

Also, how about his one:
A Towers Perrin Survey came across the Business Wire on Reuters this morning stating that a majority of employers surveyed will reduce benefits resulting from the proposed Democrat Health Care Reform bill that is working its way through Congress if it increases costs.

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

Perch- your mom called, she wants you to pick up all the wadded up kleenex in your basement bedroom and throw them out. She said they are sticking to the floor. I am not sure what she meant.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

““I have not said that I was a single payer supporter.”

– President Obama, at a town hall meeting in New Hampshire this afternoon.

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan.”

– Obama, at a Senate campaign rally in 2003. ”

Um, I’m pretty sure that you’re taking that out of context D2.

This is exactly the crap that stops people from understanding what’s really happening.

You should be ashamed ..

people should be outraged!

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

“Oh, here it is and it actually polls about 400 more doctors than your New England democrat’s poll. This is from the esteemed Investors Business Daily, not Fox News, ok?”

Great, OT. Now, give us a link so we can check it out.
You’ll get the hang of this, OT, just keep trying.
And the “esteemed Investors Business Daily”! Yes, obviously, they are far better connected to medicine(which is what healthcare is all about, right, OT?) than the New England Journal of Medicine.
I’ll say it again, you have to filter your sources.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

” Towers Perrin Survey came across the Business Wire on Reuters this morning stating that a majority of employers surveyed will reduce benefits resulting from the proposed Democrat Health Care Reform bill that is working its way through Congress if it increases costs”

And this is different than what’s going on right now-how? Health care benefits get reduced every year and healthcare inflation has been going up at a rate of over 130% since 1999. So is it suprising that the business sector is bullish on the status quo?

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

“A new Investor’s Business Daily poll ..”

Interstingly enough, there’s nothing indicating demographics of those chosen for the poll.

I suppose a person could take a hard look at O’neil and Co to find out the potentials.

Ain’t gonna be me, but it would probably be interesting.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

“Um, I’m pretty sure that you’re taking that out of context D2.”

Those were Obama’s exact words Greg! You liberals even lie about lies!

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

IBD is also a right wing organization. As one could guess from the phrase “liberal health care plan”.

And of course, “would consider” retiring is a pretty vague, meaningless response—certainly not “will likely” retire, as Schmoe-T falsely claimed above.

But the Schmoe did dig up what he was referring to, that’s something.

And now he’s reliving the days in his police academy dorm room, examining his roomate’s wadded up kleenex for “clues”…..indelible memories!

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

“Those were Obama’s exact words Greg! You liberals even lie about lies! ”

I never said they weren’t his words.

I said you used them out of context and without he background behind them.

More misinformation from the leader fo the misinformation terrorist cell in Big Lake …

People should be outraged!

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

Hmmm, I wonder which political side the good people in the New England area sway to, the, using your theory.

Here is an idea, I have seen the poll, if you want to see it, just type the publication and topic into google and find it. It is not like anything I input will change your mindset or yours will change mine, so why bother. It would be easier to get patheticon to take a shower, for god’s sake.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Comrade Partisan says:

“IBD is also a right wing organization”

At the same time, he feels that ACORN is politically neutral and deserves BILLIONS in taxpayer funding.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

“I suppose a person could take a hard look at O’neil and Co to find out the potentials”

Or they could just publish ‘em with the poll, like any reputable publication would. NEJM did. If you read it, you’ll see, among other things, they say the results are based on 43% of the doctors surveyed actually responding to the survey, which can point to a flaw in the findings. At least they’re up front with what they got and how they got it, though.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

“I said you used them out of context and without he background behind them.”

Wake up Greg. Obama COMPLETELY contradicted himself about supporting a government takover. I heard other interviews from him as well in which he comes right out and says something very similar to “it might take some doing, but we WILL get a single payer system”

People should be outraged!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

“I said you used them out of context and without he background behind them.”

Wake up Greg. 0bama COMPLETELY contr@d1cted himself about supp0rting a g0vernment tak0ver. I heard other interviews from him as well in which he c0mes right out and says something very simil@r to “it might take some doing, but we WILL get a single p@yer system”

O.T. says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

I have only one thing left to say before I go rest up for my long weeknd at the Eden Compound. That Hannah Giles is one hot little number. Dora is jealous of her and parkbenchian wants to wear her clothes, the little nancyboy.

Good night, maybe check back in on Sunday night, no internet where I will be without going dialup or using cellphone time.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

D2 .. show us the entire script where those quotes were taken please.

Can you?

http://www.dare2sayit.com = People should be outraged!

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

“Hmmm, I wonder which political side the good people in the New England area sway to, the, using your theory”

It’s all political-physics, mathematics, medicine, you name it. It can all be viewed through the political prism, is that your point, OT?
As I pointed out to 6DJ a while back, such a philosophy applied to science would have us still in the Stone Age. Pretty tough to advance if political opinion carries the day over data. It’s not the scientific data that allows us to progress so much as the scientific method applied to arrive at the data. And scientific method should be devoid of political consideration.
Question the intentions of what you read-certainly. But also, examine their methodology. And you have to take off the wingnut-colored(or liberal douchebag-colored) glasses to do that. Up for it, OT?

adlib says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

“Do you favor/oppose the current plan: -10 (38/48, up from 34/49 last month)”

Even believing the Fox poll, that shows how some serious campaigning by the POTUS can make the numbers start to move. Until lately it’s been just the shills for the “Health Care for Profit & Handcuff the Lawyers” lobby and their tools sounding off. No one’s denying we have the most inefficient health care delivery system in all of the first world nations, but any change to it will be for the worse. Right? For 48% to accept the allegations that Obama’s agenda is to drain the half full glass defies all reason.

It isn’t necessary to fool all the people all of the time for health care reform to be defeated. Just a solid 50% against it vs a soft 33% favorable would do it.

But just wait until most of that negative 50% discovers they’ve been had, that they’ve missed the chance of a decade to gain universal coverage that would remove any worries about medical bankruptcy from their other concerns such as the prohibitive cost of college for their kids. Oh yes, I see I real resurgence for the GOP in 2010. Barring civil war that will not happen.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

Sorry,

A very good comment of mine was blocked for good about an hour ago because of this stupid filtering system, and Greg wasn’t able to enjoy it. I thought it happened again, but luckily it didn’t.

parthian says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

OT’s IBD doctor poll is bogus—like most of their “polls” are.

It was a mail-in response poll, not a random sample where they got the views of a random group that was contacted. Such voluntary response polls are not reliable. The questions were also leading, showing that IBD was fishing for a particular “result”—and got it.

So the NEJM poll wins hands down for reliability. It’s also why only the wingnut-osphere knows about this fake “poll”.

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

“…using cellphone time. ”

For someone who’s tuned into IBD, you must not be very good at getting a good cell phone plan….

don’t most of them have free weekend minutes?

Just an observation.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Goodnight all!

I’m all wound up right now after a 14 hour day at work, but need to get up at 4:30 AM again. Later!

Greg 63 says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

“A very good comment of mine was blocked for good about an hour ago..”

was it the one where you admit to your homosexuality and have decided to come out for good?

People wouldn’t be outraged!

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

CS, I’m dying to know how you did up there! And where was the “Vatican”? I’m going up to pull docks and boats this weekend; we might wet a line or two also, if we have time.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

“How’d you do, CS? Man, you sure had a good run of weather there.”

Well, 80 degrees not a cloud in the sky, and no wind everyday have left the walleye’s without their teeth. (there was a reason I didn’t come up in August,grrr.) For everything else though, it’s been perfect.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

“CS, I’m dying to know how you did up there! And where was the “Vatican”? I’m going up to pull docks and boats this weekend; we might wet a line or two also, if we have time.”

Monty, we’re outside of Walker. Been staring at 2500 acres of glass for the last 5 days. Tough duty.

Only 2 more “eye’s” all week. But it didn’t matter.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

“and no wind everyday have left the walleye’s without their teeth.”

I HATE when that happens. This weather pattern is supposed to stick thru Sunday, too. Maybe we’ll break out the scatterguns and roadhunt some grouse instead….

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

“Only 2 more “eye’s” all week. But it didn’t matter”

Aye. Tough duty, indeed.

adlib says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

DD, Keep us updated on the outcome of that deal whereby Diebold sold its electonic election machine business. Who was the buyer and what’s their corporate direction? Like what’s their politics? .

I’m not in the ad business but Diebold just sort of inspires voluntary promo ideas. “Outrageous Innovation! Our name says it all, No guts no glory, etc.”

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

“I HATE when that happens.”

I just wish I wasn’t going back to reality tomorrow.

monty says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

“I just wish I wasn’t going back to reality tomorrow”

Well, it could be worse. Tomorrow could be Monday. Tanx for the update, mon.
‘Night all.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Tomorrow could be Monday.

What’s “Monday”?

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

Wow it smells like poop in here tonight.

Oh I see — Officer Donut’s returned and he’s pulling statistics out of his rectum, as usual.

Hence the poop smell.

SgtPendleton says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

Barack Obama did something today that he has not been able to do very often during a health care debate: address the Youngs! Usually it is all about convincing old, voting retards that he will not kill them with black people weapons. The atmosphere at University of Maryland’s Comcast Center was so 2008! There was even a volley of “fired up, ready to go.” Remember when everyone used to love that?? Also: He referred to friendly, fat, and very unimportant Congressmen Dutch Ruppersberger as “Butch,” and all the kids started booing when he mentioned Max Baucus, ha ha. How ginchy! It’s the new college fad.

6th district Jim says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

monty says:
It’s not the scientific data that allows us to progress so much as the scientific method applied to arrive at the data. And scientific method should be devoid of political consideration.

Hey Monty, good point!
Yet, you got guys here whose schtick is pointing to modeling, which has nothing in common with modern scientific methodology, as the end-all and be-all of “science.” To quote a Mike Fairborne, it’s squishy science, at best. You think there might be some room in modeling for investigator bias??? ;o)
Oddly, you and the Sarges never seem to have a combative word for these frauds, but choose to argue continually with the OT’s and d2′s. Hmmm, why is that?

A recent thread saw our resident dork insult a cornerstone of modern scientific methodology, p values, with nary an objection from a single poster……..
and here is sarge, again, against an OT data source, but where is the disdain for the NEJM poll:
A sample size is chosen, yet only 43% of THE sample respond, so what does it mean? Very little, but it is odd how the BQ dynamics play out.

It’s why we should enjoy these warm days rather than post!

6th district Jim says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

SgtPendleton says:
Barack Obama did something today that he has not been able to do very often during a health care debate: address the Youngs! Usually it is all about convincing old, voting retards

Well, he does deserve a good crowd, and like Bush, they know where to go to find it in the worst of times.
Unfortunately, in the next year all the unemployed “retards” are going to make Obama’s life a living he11.
I meet them everyday, and loving the govt they are not……..It is weird, because for the people with jobs, good deals abound.
For those umemployed, putting aside govt massaging of numbers, what 14-15%?
there is little hope on the horizon in this business climate.

I will answer the question the lefties refus–thread after thread– to answer:

the Dems arent moving on healthcare/climate change because the economy already sucks, and 2010 will be an election buzzkill if they strangle job growth further.

6th district Jim says:

September 17th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

As was pointed out on the last thread, it is amusing to see the paralysis in Washington—it is like the Congress and White House are controlled by different parties…..
but no, it is the same party with massive 60-40 membership…..
yet flail, flail away.

Let me guess: this Congress wont make the next “Profiles in Courage” book?
;o)

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 4:51 am

“the Dems arent moving on healthcare/climate change because the economy already sucks, and 2010 will be an election buzzkill if they strangle job growth further.”

Maybe that’s why the democrat soci@list party hasn’t moved yet either on their promise to great amnesty for illegal aliens, or their “Globull Warming” Cap and Tax plan. Each would be job and economy killers and I think you’re right Jim, they’re chicken sh1ts!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 4:55 am

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the Government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
- Thomas Jefferson

SgtPendleton says:

September 18th, 2009 at 6:49 am

FYI – my 11:02 post was actually a cut-n-paste, in the tradition of O.D. It’s from Wonkette. I don’t usually use the term ‘retard’, but I appreciated the irony.

Jim I think they’re going to put health care up for a vote – if they don’t get it, they’ll blame the republicans and walk way — that’ll give until next November for voters to forget about it.

parthian says:

September 18th, 2009 at 7:56 am

The more conservative cretins like 6DJ and 2Dim opine that anything is a “job killer” (regurgitating their Noise Machine), the more certain that the exact opposite is the case. Repubs have absolutely no ability to predict what the economic effect of any policy will be.

It’s hard to know what will happen on health care reform. If the final bill doesn’t have a strong public option, then it should be voted down because without it the reforms will not succeed, and we should let the hopeless dying private insurance “system” fall further into crisis before trying again. Perhaps then we can actually discuss the only sensible plan, which is the single payer model, as per Canada.

Global warming has been addressed in the bill passed by the House, and sits in the senate. 6DJ has a new reason every day for why it hasn’t been “moved”—yesterday it’s because Congress “really” thinks human caused global warming is “junk science”, today it’s because doing something would be a “jobs killer”.

Of course, there’s a huge difference between knowing that something needs to be done, and being able to politically accomplish it. That distinction is too subtle for the mind of a 6DJ.

As with everything that faces the country, the reality is that the corporate special interests are so powerful, throw so much money around and are so entrenched that even very strong majorities in both Houses can be split up into factions, making consensus impossible. Corporate cash is literally killing our system of government.

Of course the largest faction–the Repubs—sole motivation right now is defeating anything, mostly for their own political gain, and secondarily to please their corporate sponsors. For the Repubs it’s Party over Country always. They have no plan for anything, ever—oops, excuse me, more tax cuts solve everything.

If the Dem majority becomes split on these crucial issues this time around, then that will demonstrate that our system of government has irreversibly failed and that independent government power no longer exists, only corporate power. That’s been the goal of the fake “conservative” (i.e. plutocratic) movement for decades, and it may very well play out.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 7:56 am

“where is the disdain for the NEJM poll”

Jeez, Jim, I give you a freebie, and all you can do is cite the 43%? Did you read the survey? Get back to us when you have, and, again, please chuck the wingnut-colored glasses before you start. That way you might actually LEARN something. Unless, of course, you reside in the “don’t bother me with the facts-my mind is made up” camp….

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:07 am

“What is the possible argument for not doing so?”

I said this last summer and ……”Straw man” might have been used in some peoples responses.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:07 am

“If the Dem majority becomes split on these crucial issues this time around, then that will demonstrate that our system of government has irreversibly failed”

If the dems continue to waffle, I think it demonstrates that our system of government is infected with the swine flu of special interests, rather than irreversibly failed. The only thing that can kill our system is apathy, and people seem to be plugging in more these past few years. ‘Course, unless the folks we elect actually DO something, it won’t matter.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:13 am

“DeaconBlues…I never said that.”

Oh I think we both now quite well how you feel about the Japanese.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:30 am

“If you’re going to set a precedent of stripping federal funding from an organization that has employees accused of wrongdoing then it should be done for all. What is the possible argument for not doing so?”

I agree. Any organization caught on tape helping people set up illegal businesses using federal $$$ should be shut down.

parthian says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:41 am

Has anyone ever told you you’re an optimist, monty?

GO lonoscopy says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:46 am

“BRUSSELS – The head of NATO called Friday for the U.S., Russia and NATO to link their missile defense systems against potential new nuclear threats from Asia and the Middle East,”

Are we finally seeing some intellegent thinking? After 8 years of antagonizing Russia, are we finally admitting the strategic potential of Russia. I hope so. Obama, dropped the missle defences in Poland and Czech. I see a concerted effort here.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:48 am

the next thing Obama should fix from the past 8 years is give Kosovo back to Sebia.

SgtPendleton says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:49 am

DB, I didn’t see the ACORN organization on that tape. I saw an ACORN employee breaking the law.

Not that it matters. We live in a “post-fact” society in which facts are meaningless. Just like the phony connection between Saddam and Al-Queda, most people now believe that ACORN is a corrput left-wing organization with the goal of committign voter fraud. So the other 95% of what they do (helping people find housing) is going to get tossed, and those funds will probably end up getting put into a governmental organization. Way to grow government, GOP.

I wish I had the vid of McCain addressing an ACORN gathering talking abotu how great of an organization it is.

parthian says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:50 am

Since the MSM can’t bothered with actually understanding and explaining the various health care reform bills, and spends all its time on pinheaded horserace aspects of the “debate”, Krugman’s column today gives a broad explanation of the senate Baucus bill and what its biggest problems are.

(No, Krugman doesn’t vilify it–although it’s the most godawful politically stupid bill that a demonic lib’ral could imagine.)

parthian says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:56 am

“post fact society”

Great stuff!

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am

“DB, I didn’t see the ACORN organization on that tape. I saw an ACORN employee breaking the law.”

Multiple ACORN employees in multiple parts of the country breaking the law while acting on behalf of ACORN. The employees ARE the organization.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:03 am

“Has anyone ever told you you’re an optimist, monty?”

Attitude is everything, parth. You are what you think.

SgtPendleton says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:05 am

Kosovo is the one thing we’ve been able to point to that demonstrates we’re not at war with Islam.

A bolder move would be to recognize the republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent from Georgia. If Georgia joins NATO, we’d be legally bound to go to war with Russia over those regions if there was another conflict. 70% of the people in both regions prefer independence or to be part of Russia. Stupid foreign policy.

I’m in full agreement here GO. It seems they recognize that it’s time to start working with our natural allies instead of against them.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am

“So the other 95% of what they do (helping people find housing) is going to get tossed, and those funds will probably end up getting put into a governmental organization.”

Thats ACORNs(Mgmt) fault for not properly training these people and setting themselves up to be used as a whipping post for the right. They’ve been on the right’s radar for over a year. Ive got no sympathy for this kind of bad management. If you’re being watched, get your collective sh:t together.

parthian says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:14 am

“But, but, but, the Russkis are our historic enemies! The manifestation of all evil! They must be opposed and angered at every opportunity! That’s America’s destiny!”

The above is basically the position of all conservative neocons, like the idiots that Pinhead McCain had “advising” him. Think what that cretinous conservative would be doing if he had won.

Interesting that our trio of conserva-clowns—2Dim, Officer Dogbrain and 6DJ–have’t posted what their Noise Machine tells them on this latest (fake) “missile defense” issue.

להקיא says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am

It’s from PBS, but there’s some good stuff in this

This sounds like I plan I could get behind.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel on Universal Health Care.

http://www.pbs.org/now/news/315.html

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am

“DeaconBlues…I never said that.”

“Oh I think we both now quite well how you feel about the Japanese. ”

He referred to the cars they export to us as “Jap Crap,” wasn’t that what set you off on your JonR is racist thing?

GO lonoscopy says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am

“Kosovo is the one thing we’ve been able to point to that demonstrates we’re not at war with Islam.”

Bosnia.
Sarge, I don’t think it appropriate to take soverign territory from a country to appease any certain religion. I know Kosovo is more complicated than that. But what the UN did was Nothing short of creating a welfare state dependent on handout from the international communiity for everything.

Expanding NATO into former soviet states is a big mistake. And I do agree with your South Ossetia and Abkhazia stand.

I like how we don’t see hillary showboating. I think she’s doing a good job.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:29 am

“The employees ARE the organization. ”

And in other locations they kicked them out and called the police. Yet, the video makers lied about when asked directly.

And once again I ask, if you’re going to cut off funding from ACORN because some employees have done something wrong, then what is the reason for not doing so for all organizations?

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:29 am

“He referred to the cars they export to us as “Jap Crap,” wasn’t that what set you off on your JonR is racist thing?”

Yep. He called Japanese people Japs multiple times.

O.T. says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:30 am

sarge – the only irony is that you posted it being the retard that you are.

I am off to a better place. I leave you with the latest Rasmussen Poll.

Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters nationwide now oppose the health care reform proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the highest level of opposition yet measured and includes 44% who are Strongly Opposed.

Just 43% now favor the proposal, including 24% who Strongly Favor it.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:31 am

“He referred to the cars they export to us as “Jap Crap,” wasn’t that what set you off on your JonR is racist thing?”

It was that statement and JonR’s follow up defense of using “jap”, that he had family members killed at pearl harbor. This is what got him labled a racist by Deacon. I think it’s a stretch to come to that conclusion.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:33 am

“And once again I ask, if you’re going to cut off funding from ACORN because some employees have done something wrong, then what is the reason for not doing so for all organizations?”

I already answered that question. Suspend their funding. There are obviously some training and mgmt problems within ACORN that should be addressed. Once they have been fixed, Id reinstitute the funding.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:34 am

“I think it’s a stretch to come to that conclusion.”

I dont. I think he is a racist.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:34 am

“Any organization caught on tape helping people set up illegal businesses using federal $$$ should be shut down.”

So in your book, any other wrongdoing by employees is fine? What a load of bs.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am

“So in your book, any other wrongdoing by employees is fine?”

Is that what I said? What the hell are you talkinh about Dora? Where exactly do I condone illegal activity by employees?

GO lonoscopy says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:39 am

“The above is basically the position of all conservative neocons, like the idiots that McCain had “advising” him.”

I doubt McCain needed Neocons to tell him what his stand should be with russia. Didn’t he have a Georgian libbyist for that:-0

McCains stand on Russia and NATO expansion into former Soviet states was what gave me pause for 2nd thoughts towards his presidential campaign. I was leaning towards him but this is what really kept me teetering on the fence. Luckily he decided my vote by picking Palin as a running mate thus sending me spiraling away from both main party tickets.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:39 am

“What a load of bs.”

No, I think the real BS here is the idea that organizations and their mgmt shouldnt be held responsible for their employees.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:45 am

maybe because you crafted your response to conform to what ACORN employees are accused of doing.

So then you agree that any organization that has employees accused of any wrongdoing should have their government funding pulled.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:46 am

“No, I think the real BS here is the idea that organizations and their mgmt shouldnt be held responsible for their employees.”

I sent a survey crew out to do a boundary survey for a christmas tree farm. 130 acres. What do you think these guys did? The got out their machettes and cut traversing lines of sight throughout the tree farm. I got chewed out, I fired them and the company paid a hefty fee for damages.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:47 am

“I think the real BS here is the idea that organizations and their mgmt shouldnt be held responsible for their employees. ”

I think the real bs is that no other organization in similar circumstances has had their government funds cut off.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:50 am

“So then you agree that any organization that has employees accused of any wrongdoing should have their government funding pulled”

Wouldn’t that pull funding from just about every governmentally funded organization out there?

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am

“So then you agree that any organization that has employees accused of any wrongdoing should have their government funding pulled.”

Accussed? Not so much. Caught on tape? Thats a different story all together for me. Yeah Yeah Yeah.. the tapes were doctored. Hmmm Hmmm.

‘Make sure the 14 year olds keep their mouths shut’.

Okay Dora. I bet you thought Zimmerman was innocent too.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 9:54 am

“I think the real bs is that no other organization in similar circumstances has had their government funds cut off.”

I agree, that IS an issue that should be confronted. Id cut funding from any group with this kids of evidence against them until it can be shown that the problems in their organization have been fixed.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:00 am

“It was a rough night for CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on Thursday night’s “Jeopardy!”

The “Situation Room” anchor came in last — and even in the red before Final Jeopardy — and lost to Dana Delany and Andy Richter.”

So basically a guy who is dumber then Andy Richter has “some” impact on the direction of the death in this country.

I HATE Wolf now more then I ever have.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am

“Wouldn’t that pull funding from just about every governmentally funded organization out there?”

There you go. So it’s really about the ACORN witch hunt. Democrats were not going to die on that hill so they went along with it. The stated reason about not giving taxpayer dollars to an organization that “supports” what those employees did (even though they fired them) is bogus because that case can be made for all the others as well yet that hasn’t happened to any of them. It’s a few “bad apples” in organizations that Republicans support but it’s the entire organization in those they oppose.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:06 am

“So then you agree that any organization that has employees accused of any wrongdoing should have their government funding pulled.”

I think its not just one incident but a combination of incidents over the past few years. But see Dora you’d know that and would be able to site incidents just from the top of your head if you weren’t so fast to blow off any news you don’t like as “Strawman Rightwing Rush Limbaugh propaganda . Stop getting your news from the Huffington Post and the Startribune and branch out a little. And then given sometime maybe you’ll be less of a moron then you are now.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:09 am

Careful tiny. If Wolf reads your post, doesn’t like it, and brings the full power of CNN down on the Strib to get your REAL name, they just might roll over:

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/59647182.html?page=1&c=y

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Hey the guys from Buffalo N.Y. for Christ shake. Not even a American!

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:16 am

“So it’s really about the ACORN witch hunt.”

And ACORN fell right into the trap didnt they by not properly training their employees.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:18 am

“I think its not just one incident but a combination of incidents over the past few years. But see Dora you’d know that and would be able to site incidents just from the top of your head if you weren’t so fast to blow off any news you don’t like as “Strawman Rightwing Rush Limbaugh propaganda . Stop getting your news from the Huffington Post and the Startribune and branch out a little. And then given sometime maybe you’ll be less of a moron then you are now”

I think its not just one isolated incident but a combination of isolated incidents over the past few years. But see tiny you’d know that and would be able to site incidents just from the top of your head if you weren’t so fast to blow off any news you don’t like as “Strawman Leftwing Keith Olbermann propaganda . Stop getting your news from the Drudge and the Pioneer Press and branch out a little. And then given sometime maybe you’ll be less of a moron then you are now.
Mirror image, but does tiny look in the mirror?

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am

“And ACORN fell right into the trap didnt they by not properly training their employees”

Big time.

להקיא says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am

“So it’s really about the ACORN witch hunt”

You can blame the GOP forces of evil all you want, the fact remains that ACORN managements’ response has been so poor that they brought this on themselves.

They knew the RW media was crawling up their rear with a microscope, and didn’t have enough sense to make sure wasn’t anything to be found.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am

“Yeah Yeah Yeah.. the tapes were doctored. Hmmm Hmmm. ”

What they released certainly isn’t tape of the actual dialogue with the employees. They insert their comments about what they said with the employees responses. I’ve seen the heavily edited videos during the campaign that misrepresent what was actually said. Why wouldn’t they just show the actual dialogue? And why did they represent as true the verifiably false statement from the person saying she killed her husband? Why do you think she’d tell them something so outrageous? And why did they lie when asked if any employee refused to help them when they were kicked out of other offices and there’s a police report in Philadelphia? CNN said they have a copy of it. How convenient that the video makers failed to show up to an agreed upon interview with CNN.

They should just release all of the unedited tapes.

להקיא says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:30 am

“And then given sometime maybe you’ll be less of a moron then you are now.”

Tiny may be a loudmouth, but as you see, he really stands for Hope, Change, and Yes you can.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am

“And ACORN fell right into the trap didnt they by not properly training their employees”

What they should have done is alerted all of their offices to be on the lookout for the scam as soon as it was tried on one of them. Perhaps they assumed their employees know better. I’d like to know more about those employees. How long did they work there? Where did they work before?

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am

“I’ve seen the heavily edited videos during the campaign that misrepresent what was actually said.”

What type of question could result in an answer like,

“make sure the 14 year olds keep their mouths shut.’ ?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:37 am

“They should just release all of the unedited tapes.”

Here we go! God almighty !

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:39 am

“Perhaps they assumed their employees know better.”

Probably would have been a good idea NOT to assume and actually spend some time training them.

“Perhaps they assumed their employees know better. I’d like to know more about those employees. How long did they work there? Where did they work before?”

Some people might call that an interview.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:40 am

“What they should have done is alerted all of their offices to be on the lookout for the scam as soon as it was tried on one of them.”

You mean “Hide OUR Scam and look out for this Scam”

You’ve been over to the Huffington Post haven’t you now Dora.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

“didn’t have enough sense to make sure wasn’t anything to be found. ”

If only management had total control of everything all of their employees say and do.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

“I’d like to know more about those employees. How long did they work there? Where did they work before?”

“How long did they work there”
A few months

“Where did they work before”
Chicago

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:49 am

“If only management had total control of everything all of their employees say and do”

How about dont hire morons?

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:52 am

“Probably would have been a good idea NOT to assume and actually spend some time training them. ”

How do you know they don’t train their employees?

“What kind of question..”

It’s not the question it’s the dialogue. Some of the “answers” seem so over the top that I’d like to hear the entire thing. Like the woman saying she killed her husband. She obviously didn’t yet until that was exposed they presented it as true.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am

“How about dont hire morons?”

Now that’s one of your most asinine comments ever.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am

“How do you know they don’t train their employees?”

Listen Dora, ACORN effed up. Keep defending their poor mgmt.

SgtPendleton says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am

This is getting kind of silly.

Dora — we live in a post-fact world. The truth of what’s on that videotape is meaningless at this point. Besides, often times the more people hear about an idea — both in favor of and in opposition to — the more likely they are to believe it. So if the Dems make a huge deal out of “proving” the conspiracy, the end result won’t change anything. People will still believe that ACORN is what 2Dim thinks it is.

Dora, I love your tenacity, but you’ve got to choose your battles sometimes. :)

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am

“The truth of what’s on that videotape is meaningless at this point.”

But we dont know the truth Sgt.

” So if the Dems make a huge deal out of “proving” the conspiracy, the end result won’t change anything.”

Maybe they’ve seen the unedited footage and dont want to defend it because they know ACORN effed up?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am

I read that the activist film crew with the fake pimp and ho visited quite a few ACORN offices before they finally found a couple that would dish advice on how to get federal funds to set up a brothel. Wouldn’t surprise me to learn that in those rare instances the ACORN employee was paid to go along with the script. But that’s just speculation on my part.

Any time a conservative person starts in on ACORN that’s my queue to ignore them.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am

“Keep defending their poor mgmt. ”

Your assumption that “management” can control every employee is ridiculous. Your assumption that “training” will ensure no employee does anything wrong is ludicrous.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am

“Your assumption that “management” can control every employee is ridiculous. Your assumption that “training” will ensure no employee does anything wrong is ludicrous.”

So at what point does ACORN the organization sholder some of responsibility for what happened?

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am

“Now that’s one of your most asinine comments ever.”

So, hire Morons?

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:15 am

SgtP, the idea that it’s all management’s fault because they didn’t train their employees is just asinine. It goes back to my statement of how Republican’s always blame it on a “few bad apples” in organizations they support but how it’s always the entire organization at fault for those they don’t.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am

“SgtP, the idea that it’s all management’s fault because they didn’t train their employees is just asinine.”

Its not all the mgmts fault, but some of it is. Hows 50/50 sound?

One thing is clear to me, the organization takes the blame for how its employees act. You cant seperate the two in my mind. Especially in a service organization. When your product is the service you provide you ARE the organization.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am

“So at what point does ACORN the organization sholder some of responsibility for what happened?”

What is the responsibility of ACORN the organization or any organization when they find employee wrongdoing? To fire the employees and investigate how something like that could happen. Which is what they did and are doing.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am

“It goes back to my statement of how Republican’s always blame it on a “few bad apples” in organizations they support but how it’s always the entire organization at fault for those they don’t.”

See, I blame the organization every time if the employee was acting on behalf of the organization and the misconduct was committed while performing the functions of their job.

monty says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am

It may not be entirely accurate, but as Sarge says, in the “post-fact” age of misinformation, ACORN is on the hook for this one. If the dems want to fight it, they’ll go down in flames in the court of public opinion. Score one for truth or photoshop-depending on your political orientation.

SgtPendleton says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:30 am

But we dont know the truth Sgt.

It really doesn’t matter at this point. Worst case scenario – let’s say that they found out the video was 100% fake. Would Bachmann and other conservabots suddenly say, “Oh, I guess ACORN’s really not that bad.” The GOP had it in for ACORN before the tape even came to prominence. It’s meaningless.

Organizations are legally liable for damages their employees cause, but not criminally, so DB has a small point. But we’re talking about “fault” here, which is subjective. You can take “fault” to absurd lengths – like a car accident being 20% your fault automatically because you were there that day.

Obviously, it’s not the policy of ACORN to advise people to break the law, so the employee was acting against company policy. ACORN is liable for damages since it was their employee, but the employee is at fault because she violated the policy.

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am

“Its not all the mgmts fault, but some of it is. Hows 50/50 sound?”

Well, you’re making progress.

“If the dems want to fight it, they’ll go down in flames in the court of public opinion”

Which is exactly why they didn’t. I’m sure those that voted against it will see ads about it in the next campaign but I suspect all who did are in fairly safe districts.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am

“To fire the employees and investigate how something like that could happen. Which is what they did and are doing.”

Exactly. And I think congress is within its rights to withhold funding until those questions get answered. So what exactly is your problem then?

Dora says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am

“And I think congress is within its rights to withhold funding until those questions get answered. So what exactly is your problem then?”

Because it has nothing whatever to do with withholding funding “until those questions get answered”.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am

“Because it has nothing whatever to do with withholding funding “until those questions get answered”.”

They got their butts in a political sling. Too bad for them. Im sure the Dems would do the same thing given the chance.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Dora,
I think maybe you should direct criticism at your party’s leadership for kowtowing to the conservative fringe and cutting funding for ACORN, if in fact ACORN is doing good works for people with those govt funds that just got cut. Because, like I said, I think conservative partisans who blather on and on about ACORN are just best ignored.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

Lady Gaga too.
She has nothing to do with politics, but she also would be best ignored. That occurred to me just now after a glance at the yahoo home page.

להקיא says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Wouldn’t surprise me to learn that in those rare instances the ACORN employee was paid to go along with the script.

It wouldn’t surprise me either, given their track record in selecting people to work for them.

להקיא says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

Apparently, some folks the LA times see the same thing I do.

Feel free to write it off and blame everything on evil right wing forces, it’s obviously helping the people that are the reason for ACORN’s existence.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/59552292.html?elr=KArksUUUoDEy3LGDiO7aiU

ACORN ON TAPE
It’s time for it to clean house

…Given all the scrutiny, one would have expected ACORN to be doing everything in its power to make sure its activities were squeaky clean. Yet since the initial video was released last week showing ACORN workers in Baltimore who appeared to be aiding and abetting criminal activity, activist filmmaker James O’Keefe has released two more showing similar behavior at ACORN offices in Washington and Brooklyn. The response from ACORN? Fire the workers involved and blame Fox News.

“We are the boogeyman for the right-wing and its echo chambers,” reads a self-serving statement released Saturday by ACORN’s chief organizer, Bertha Lewis. What she didn’t do is apologize for the appalling and possibly illegal behavior of ACORN employees, acknowledge that the organization has serious internal problems and vow to correct them, or do what she should have done as soon as the scandal was revealed: resign.

O’Keefe’s hidden-camera methods are distasteful, and the extent to which his videos were edited is unknown. Their content is nonetheless devastating to ACORN — so much so that the Senate voted overwhelmingly to withhold federal housing funds from the group. That’s a shame because ACORN does worthwhile work in poor communities, helping people avoid foreclosure, giving them tax help and, yes, registering them to vote. If ACORN is to survive and retain a shred of credibility, it needs to stop deflecting blame and clean house.

LOS ANGELES TIMES

Tiny bulbs says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

“And once again I ask, if you’re going to cut off funding from ACORN because some employees have done something wrong, then what is the reason for not doing so for all organizations?”

Dora you mean like Insurance Companies or Banks?

“So in your book, any other wrongdoing by employees is fine? What a load of bs.”

Dora you mean like Insurance Companies or Banks?

You are such a Fraud. Fraud Fraud Fraud. Go work for ACORN Dora..noooooo training necessary.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

It’s really an embarassment to Minnesota that Keith Hakim Ellison and Betty McCollum voted to keep taxpayer money flowing into the extremely corrupt ACORN. The democrat controlled Congress voted overwhelming to block funding, except for the hard core radical leftists like those imbeciles.

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

Vomit …

I like the idea. I’d have to wonder what the basic package would be though …

deductibles etc.

And please excuse me, but my comprehension svcks right now so if I missed it …

and ..

payment? I think it should be taken out of ones salary or whatever income they have and if the income is incredibly low, I think it should be handled?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

“Go work for ACORN Dora”

She probably already does. I could picture Dora having no problem handing out taxpayer money to some liberal wanting to start an underage illegal alien wh0re house.

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

“It’s really an embarassment to Minnesota that D2′s website and Michelle Bachman are considered to represent our values”

More accurate.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

“Michelle Bachman”

You can’t even spell her first OR last name Liberal Greg. Shows how much you know about her.

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

“She probably already does. I could picture Dora having no problem handing out taxpayer money to some liberal wanting to start an underage illegal alien homosexual wh0re house for D2 to visit”

Most accurate…and ..

People should be outraged!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Let’s ask Dora.

Hey Dora, how long have you been working for ACORN?

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

“You can’t even spell her first OR last name Liberal Greg. Shows how much you know about her. ”

It’s a respect thing ..

but to make you happy I’ll just refer to her as ..

twit.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

puts the twit into nitwit, Bachmann does.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

And Greg, fess up now. You visited Barney Frank’s boyfriend’s establishment run from their apartment when you were in Washington, didn’t you!

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

“And Greg, fess up now. You visited Barney Frank’s boyfriend’s establishment run from their apartment when you were in Washington, didn’t you! ”

No, that’s not my gig.

But maybe you could tell us all about it?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

“twit.”

You liberals love to attack conservative women and minorities Greg, but Michele Bachmann is the best Represtative Minnesota has in Washington and her popularity in increasing, unlike members of the democrat soci@list party.

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

“You liberals love to attack conservative women and minorities Greg, but Michele Bachmann is the best Represtative Minnesota has in Washington and her popularity in increasing, unlike members of the democrat soci@list party. ”

Actually, I just recognize she’s a nutcase.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 18th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

“Actually, I just recognize she’s a nutcase.”

I guess you’ve never looked at the members of your own democrat party then, huh Greg.

Greg 63 says:

September 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

“I guess you’ve never looked at the members of your own democrat party then, huh Greg. ”

My party is called ..

American …

and the members recognize nutcases all over the place.

Here’s an example:

http://www.dare2sayit.com

People should be outraged!!

להקיא says:

September 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

“deductibles etc.”

It doesn’t mention deductables, but it offers a basic plan, and individuals can choose to pay for additional coverage.

“payment?”

A value added tax.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

“You liberals love to attack conservative women and minorities…”

Naw, I’m equal opportunity. I think that Rachel Maddow is a twit too.

Deacon Blues says:

September 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

“I think that Rachel Maddow is a twit too.”

Could she be any more self righteous?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Rev Al Sharpton?

Pure twit.

There’s twits a’plenty on both ends of the spectrum, all shapes sizes and colors of ‘em.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

heck, there’s even twits in the middle of the road. Sometimes they get run over by the yellow stripe truck.

But Bachmann buries the needle on the twitometer.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 18th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

“And in other locations they kicked them out and called the police. Yet, the video makers lied about when asked directly.”

All those posts Dora, and not one to a Police report or link that showed they lied?

Did I miss something ?

“Post-Fact World”

You wish!

Dora says:

September 19th, 2009 at 1:02 am

A link you say? No problem. http://tinyurl.com/lwfzwp. Make sure you scroll all the way down to see the copy of the police report. And there’s the link to the Sept 11 Lou Dobbs show transcript that Bill Tucker reported CNN got the police report. That’s about 3/4 of the way into the transcript.

You should know by now that I can back up what I say.

Deacon Blues says:

September 21st, 2009 at 9:42 am

So they’ll file a police report on a film crew but not on one of their own who embezzeled $1,000,000.

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