Fact check: Bachmann’s office and improper franking

September 23rd, 2009 – 12:03 PM by Eric Roper

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There has been some buzz lately surrounding a newsletter sent using taxpayer money by Rep. Michele Bachmann to an address in Colorado. Under House franking rules, members of Congress may not use taxpayer money to send a mass communication outside of their district – which is exactly what happened here.

The Star Tribune reached out to the House committee that oversees franking, whose spokesman Kyle Anderson said that this letter could be grounds for a complaint alleging a violation of House franking rules.

But is this an attempt by Bachmann’s office to use public money to garner support outside of her own district? It doesn’t look like it.

We contacted her office and they spoke to the third-party company that assists with their mass mailings, Aristotle. The company responded with a formal and rather technical letter (below) explaining that it was their error and that people who had changed their address were accidentally not removed from the mailing list.

The intended recipient of the letter moved to Colorado from Stillwater about a year ago, said her fiancee Matt Schmoeckel.

“The contract which your office has with Aristotle is only for constituents of Minnesota’s Sixth Congressional district, in keeping with Franking rules which indicate that mass mail should only be sent to your constituents,” wrote Aristotle president Dean Aristotle Phillips. “We accept responsibility for the omission of the date from this field and expect that it should be limited to this instance.”

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154 Responses to "Fact check: Bachmann’s office and improper franking"

SgtPendleton says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm

This is a non-story — obviously an unintentional error. This type of thing happens all the time when you use a third-party direct marketing company to do your mailings. They just didn’t scrub out all the non-Minnesota addresses.

Please note for the record that I’m not attacking Bachmann over this — even though it probably shows that she needs someone to better manage her office’s vendors.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm

CHICAGO (AP) – Former child star Mackenzie Phillips said Wednesday her father, John Phillips, who was a leader of the 1960s pop group the Mamas and the Papas, raped her when she was a teenager and that her sexual relationship with him later became what she termed “consensual.”

Please note for the record that I’m not attacking this whole 60′s nostalgia thing..you know people being assassinated and kids not taking baths.
But I will note its this wonderful generation of people that is running your city halls and governments and press all over this country.

Doesn’t leave me with the “warm and fuzzys”

SgtPendleton says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Yes, and they’re all doing exactly the same thing, since they’re all of the same generation.

That’s what people are like in the US. They’re all exactly the same.

parthian says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 pm

What “wonderful generation” are you even condemning, tiny—the Boomers? Early and late? Their kids? Oh well, at least you know one thing–gub’mint stinks!

The things you get into your head are pretty comic, tiny. The Lib’rul Sixties ruined the moral fabric of the country! And haven’t you already admitted you were whole hog into the hippie scene at the time?

I guess now that you’re an upstanding Repub you’ve done your penance. We do know you were required to throw your brain away as part of the conversion process, of course.

If Michele B didn’t instruct her mailer to intentionally keep those who move out of Bachmannistan on her mailing list, then this error seems quite trivial.

How many “Your Kook in DC” newsletters were mailed to recipients living outside Bachmannistan in the last mailing? That’s the next question.

Deacon Blues says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm

“That’s what people are like in the US. They’re all exactly the same.”

Did you know there are 1,965 Applebees in the United States?

monty says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm

“Did you know there are 1,965 Applebees in the United States?”

Yet another sign of the coming Apocalypse.

Deacon Blues says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm

“Yet another sign of the coming Apocalypse.”

Sometimes Americans like to get crazy and go to Don Pablo’s, maybe have a buritto and a margaritta.

monty says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Or the Olive Garden. Don’t forget that one.

Earsall Mackbee says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm

510 company owned, 1,455 franchises for those scoring at home.

להקיא says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Government is wonderful, Parthian.

WASHINGTON – They were calling it the tax on Q-tips. Amid Republican ridicule, a Democratic chairman backed down Tuesday and exempted consumer items of $100 or less — from condoms to contact lenses — from a proposed tax on medical device manufacturers. It would help pay for health care coverage for the uninsured in comprehensive legislation.

But Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., left intact a $4 billion-a-year levy on the medical devices industry — keeping the controversy alive. The industry makes some 80,000 different products from heart valves to imaging machines to tongue depressors. The Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday such industry fees could eventually raise insurance premiums by roughly 1 percent.
Baucus’ last-minute switch came as his committee considers sweeping legislation to remake the health care system. It means that contact lens solution, scented maxi-pads and home pregnancy tests — among many other items — will not be taxed. (It’s not clear if Q-tips were ever on his list.)

In the Democrats’ eyes, instead of buying a Porsche, I had an internal defibrillator planted in my chest to show the world that I’m a success, yet if a woman on welfare decides she wants a vanilla-pomegranite scented cooter, no problem.

That’s just plain wrong!

dubble_a_ron says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 3:22 pm

“Did you know there are 1,965 Applebees in the United States? ”

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There’s a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there’s doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in their boxes
Are all taking happy pills
to suppress the urge to kill
and stay somewhat sane
There’s proz@c
and P@xil
and Z0l0ft
and W3llbutrin
to keep them on an even keel
so they all feel just the same

and these people are despairing
in their cubicle nation
leading lives of quiet desparation
in their unnatural world
yet they bend over backwards
making tacky displays of of patriotism
and they shoot loads of sticky jism
when their flag is unfurled.

Deacon Blues says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm

Sprawling on the fringes of the city
In geometric order
An insulated border
In between the bright lights
And the far unlit unknown

Growing up it all seems so one-sided
Opinions all provided
The future pre-decided
Detached and subdivided
In the mass production zone
Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone

In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out

In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
Any escape might help disprove the unattractive truth
But the suburbs have no charms to soothe the restless dreams of youth

Drawn like moths we drift into the city
The timeless old attraction
Cruising for the action
Lit up like a firefly
Just to feel the living night

Well some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights…

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm

“Sometimes Americans like to get crazy and go to Don Pablo’s, maybe have a buritto and a margaritta. ”

I’m bad .. I like to make my own at home.

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 3:42 pm

Tiny ..

Did you head stop bleeding?

monty says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm

I’m going to rent myself a house
In the shade of the freeway
I’m going to pack my lunch in the morning
And go to work each day
And when the evening rolls around
I’ll go on home and lay my body down
And when the morning light comes streaming in
I’ll get up and do it again
Amen
Say it again
Amen

I want to know what became of the changes
We waited for love to bring
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening
I’ve been aware of the time going by
They say in the end it’s the wink of an eye
And when the morning light comes streaming in
You’ll get up and do it again
Amen

Caught between the longing for love
And the struggle for the legal tender
Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
And the junk man pounds his fender
Where the veterans dream of the fight
Fast asleep at the traffic light
And the children solemnly wait
For the ice cream vendor
Out into the cool of the evening
Strolls the pretender
He knows that all his hopes and dreams
Begin and end there

Ah the laughter of the lovers
As they run through the night
Leaving nothing for the others
But to choose off and fight
And tear at the world with all their might
While the ships bearing their dreams
Sail out of sight

I’m going to find myself a girl
Who can show me what laughter means
And we’ll fill in the missing colors
In each other’s paint-by-number dreams
And then we’ll put out dark glasses on
And we’ll make love until our strength is gone
And when the morning light comes streaming in
We’ll get up and do it again
Get it up again

I’m going to be a happy idiot
And struggle for the legal tender
Where the ads take aim and lay their claim
To the heart and the soul of the spender
And believe in whatever may lie
In those things that money can buy
Thought true love could have been a contender
Are you there?
Say a prayer for the pretender
Who started out so young and strong
Only to surrender

Deacon Blues says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm

“Rangel is under investigation by the House Ethics Committee for a series of violations: Failing to declare more than $650,000 in assets on his 2007 financial disclosure forms; illegally maintaining three rent-subsidized apartments in New York; soliciting funds on congressional stationery for a think tank bearing his name; claiming three separate homes as primary residences; failing to pay property taxes on a home in the Dominican Republic, and failing to report $75,000 worth of income from a condo in Florida. He’s even accused of using a coveted Capitol parking space to store a vintage Mercedes-Benz.

All from the man in charge of writing the nation’s tax laws.”

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/60077012.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:U0ckkD:aEyKUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr

We’ll this aint good. At least he doesnt have a love child.

SgtPendleton says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 4:24 pm

Thanks Monty. That song’s going to be running through my head for a week.

…just love those condescending songs written by a privleged musical troubadors about “the workin man”.

Downtown Dan says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Bachmann recently said, “Take this into consideration. If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps.”

I’m sure this is unrelated:

WASHINGTON — The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery. A law enforcement official says the word “fed” was scrawled on his chest.

Nobody takes her seriously anyway. Except maybe D2.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm

Did you head stop bleeding?

Yes but now I look like Gorbachev.

“That’s what people are like in the US. They’re all exactly the same.”

But those at the microphone in the 60′s are the motivated Nutcases that took over the democratic party in the late 90′s. No denying that.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 5:52 pm

Look the newest rumor ( setup by the KOS’ers and propagated on MSNBC ( Andra Mitchell, Chris Matthews and we’ll see tonight ) is commanders are asking for 500,000 troops..500,000 TROOPS give me a break.

I think your lefty peace freaks are set for battle on this Afghanistan thing. Lets watch and see what happens.

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm

“Nobody takes her seriously anyway. Except maybe D2. ”

And some people in that special hotel in St. Peter ..

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm

“Yes but now I look like Gorbachev. ”

craving stoli?

O.T. says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 6:33 pm

DD- I am wagering that this was a martyr for Pelosi to be able to say there is violence from the extremists. I am also wagering that she is already preparing to use this as an example of it. She may have done it already as I have just woke up and am unaware of todays happenings. How many time did Obama apologize today?

O.T. says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm

Anyone else concerned that the Govt is putting out gag orders on companies??

You have to watch this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEr65ZX6gLw
Madcow is so hypocritical it is hilarious.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm

“Did you know there are 1,965 Applebees in the United States? ”

If the entrees all taste identical everywhere, try the Talapa with rice pilaf. Not bad.

Downtown Dan says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm

DD- I am wagering that this was a martyr for Pelosi to…

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 7:25 pm

“We have no specific, credible threat against mass transit here,” said Metro Transit spokesman Bob Gibbons. He said passengers should be vigilant and report “anything they see that makes them uncomfortable”

http://www.startribune.com/nation/60471492.html?page=2&c=y
*****************************
They tell us to watch out for suspicious activity, but when radicals like the Flying Imam’s not only get away with the stunt they pulled, but will probably become very wealthy and will force laws to ban the actions our anti-terrorism experts are calling for, something is terribly wrong with this country.

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm

“laws to ban the actions our anti-terrorism experts are calling for…”

Which experts and which actions please …

you’re still not a patriot.

Downtown Dan says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Hey, D2′s back. Do tell, Non-Extremist D2, name someone you consider to your right.

I’ll wait.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm

“Which experts and which actions please..”

Every expert on Islamic terror has always asked the public to watch out for suspicious activity Greg, that’s just common sense and I don’t understand why you’re questioning that.

My point is that we are still at war with Islamic terror and liberals fail to see that. A Muslim Imam in New York which the FBI trusted as an informant actually tipped off the terrorists in Colorado, which says that this plot could be huge and we really need to watch out to prevent the next 9-11 or worse.

The frivolous lawsuit by the Flying Iman’s is backed by CAIR (Council on American Islamist Relations), in which Keith Hakim Ellison (DFL) is VERY cozy with. People should be outraged!

“you’re still not a patriot.”

Like most American citizens, I’m much more of a Patriot than soci@list Barack Hussein Obama who probably thinks our Founding Fathers we’re simply evil white men. Keith Hakim Ellison (DFL) however is certainly an ANTI-PATRIOT.

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm

“Every expert on Islamic terror has always asked the public to watch out for suspicious activity Greg, that’s just common sense and I don’t understand why you’re questioning that.”

You declared that all the experts are calling for certain actions ..

which experts? and which actions?

“Like most American citizens, I’m much more of a Patriot ”

No, you’re not.

Downtown Dan says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Like most American citizens, I’m much more of a Patriot than…

Yeah, yeah, yeah… so name one person to your right.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

“Hey, D2’s back. Do tell, Non-Extremist D2, name someone you consider to your right.”

Downtown Dem, it doesn’t matter if it’s Hitler’s National Soci@list Party or Stalin’s Communism, they are both anti-American.

I think conservatives (not necessarily republicans) are the most pro-America group, and a lot of us stand together with the same views and hope that we can survive Obama.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 pm

“I think your lefty peace freaks are set for battle on this Afghanistan thing. Lets watch and see what happens.”

Tiny’s all set for the American body count to rise and watch the Vietnam scenario unfold all over again putting an end to a new Great Society in the U.S.

Some say this could all have been prevented if Bush had closed the back door on Bin Laden’s escape into Pakistan instead of letting him go as a favor to the Saudi’s. I disagree with that assessment. Incompetence was just as likely the cause of OBL’s escape .

I also disagree with the “Great Man” approach to history and subscribe more to Tolstoy’s opinion that if a key historical figure didn’t exist at a certain time then the tide of events would have created him. In which case we’d probably better get on with the tactical elimination of top Al Quedah terrorists hiding in Pakistan and not try to do nation building in Afghanistan. Let Iran try to convert the Afghans to Shi’a Islam …or not. I don’t blame them for not betting we’re there to stay and for making nice with the Taliban instead.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 pm

I think Condi Rice is right in saying that if we leave Afghanistan now, we are just asking for another 9-11.

Greg 63 says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 pm

“I think conservatives (not necessarily republicans) are the most pro-America group, and a lot of us stand together with the same views and hope that we can survive Obama. ”

Actually, you come across as a group of extremists that didn’t get their way…

and that’s very unpatriotic.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 pm

“…A law enforcement official says the word ‘fed’ was scrawled on his chest.”

I hope that we’ll not soon be hearing of another in a series of senseless census killings.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 pm

“putting an end to a new Great Society in the U.S.”

You say that like it’s a bad thing?

“Incompetence was just as likely the cause of OBL’s escape.”

Bad job of outsourcing.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 pm

“yet if a woman on welfare decides she wants a vanilla-pomegranite scented cooter, no problem.

That’s just plain wrong!”

She’ll find the rye cooter is no longer available though.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm

“I think Condi Rice is right in saying that if we leave Afghanistan now, we are just asking for another 9-11.”

Like we were asking for the first one.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 pm

“Downtown Dem, it doesn’t matter if it’s Hitler’s National Soci@list Party or Stalin’s Communism, they are both anti-American.”

Not anti-American per se, but they each had a different dream of an American alliance. Both parties had adherents in America either before the war or during it.

During the war many Americans were pro-Communist and anti-Nazi. After the war many Americans were so anti-Stalinist that they almost thought their fellow anti-Stalinists, the Nazi’s, had gotten too much bad press. It’s not rocket science.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 pm

“Like we were asking for the first one.”

Fool me once….

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:03 pm

“You say that like it’s a bad thing?”

A great society by definiton is at least a good thing. A “Great Society” in terms of ambition and expense would be no small thing. But if small is beautiful then our military objectives need to be measured and achievable in order for the volunteer military to remain flexible and resilient enough to do the job themselves…so we don’t have to outsource the job to contract mercenaries. It seems our credit to finance a growing war effort is also kind of precarious at this time.

SgtPendleton says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm

Anyone else concerned that the Govt is putting out gag orders on companies??

You have to watch this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEr65ZX6gLw
Madcow is so hypocritical it is hilarious.

Yes, our poor defenseless corporations deserve free speech! They should be represented in Congress as well!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pm

Adlib, America came to be a power of good in the world, not just by defeating murderous dictators like Hitler and stopping the spread of communism (which murdered many more people than even Hitler), but we also invented most of the technology the world enjoys today.

Barack Hussein Obama is traveling around the globe trashing America like a true soci@list. No wonder he is praised by communist Fidel Castro and why murderous dictator Kadaffy calls him his “son”.

People should be outraged!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 pm

By the way, the reason America invented most of the world’s modern technology is because of CAPITALISM, which Obama is hell bent on destroying.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 pm

“It seems our credit to finance a growing war effort is also kind of precarious at this time.”

Been that way since the first “Great Society”.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm

“Yes, our poor defenseless corporations deserve free speech! They should be represented in Congress as well!”

But wait a minute. Some of these corporations aren’t even American owned. Are their rights covered under the first amendment too?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Ahmadinejad rails against capitalism:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32979199/ns/world_news-united_nations/

Adolph Ahmadinejad and Barack Hussein Obama agree on this topic anyway.

adlib says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm

Re. Been that way since the first “Great Society”.

Good point. Who underwrote the Vietnam War? It was a mistake not to call the Korean conflict a war..could have sold
war bonds. Guess we were too busy paying off the bonds from the Great War, financed with the help of
US citizens’ savings.

Our government took stock in a lot of toxic bank assests a few months ago. Some of those are looking up. Any chance of the taxpayers breaking even on that paper?

SgtPendleton says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 10:21 pm

Okay, I’ll bit.

2Dim, I’ll grant you that Obama wants to regulate more than Bush did — Dems do in general…but how do you go from that to saying he wants to “destroy Capitalism?” You’re sounding like Glenn Beck.

O.T. says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 pm

Sarge- do you know when the AARP will be getting their gag order? Or did their kickback/bribe program they are on exempt them?

O.T. says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Over at the Huffington Post, they already have investigated and found guilty all of the conservative talk show people for the death of that census worker. Go figure. You know the libs are frothing at the mouth for this to be a anti-govt killing. Who knows, maybe a looney leftie killed him. I will wait until the investigation and trial is over before making any judgements- do you think the media will?

SgtPendleton says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 pm

O.D., the great civil libertarian…

So your kids know what caused the great depression? That’s impressive.

6th district Jim says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 pm

September 23rd, 2009 at 8:27 am
Jim, what are you laughing at this time? Did you miss this part:
“he had been met with confusion and even anger when he tried to describe this normal variation in climate while at the same time conveying the long-term threat of global warming”
In other words, short term climate variation has little to do with long term global warming. Yeah, that’s funny as heck. And climate researchers in dispute? Of course there are differeing opinions, as has been said before, no one has the final word on ANYTHING in science. There is , however, a pretty large degree of consensus on what is going on. This, from the NYT:

WOW! You admit differing opinions.
How often do we have to have this same conversation, Monty? I am the big backer of the current debate and controversy of GW. It’s a great topic, esp science vs art, etc.
I think your beef is with the cocksure dorks like Parthian and Dunce who seem so sure the debate is “over” about: the “science” of “modeling.” Talk about an OXYMORON!
Where are your posts taking them to task? All while the IPCC “experts” argue amongst themselves…..
Hypocrisy?
How about the angst over “HAHAHAHAHHA’s”
Again, somehow the ZZZZZZZ’s are ok.
Hmmmm. OK
Me thinks the Obama fans are a wee bit delusional, crabby, and alas, let down!
And who can blame them? Obama is a total loser.

6th district Jim says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 pm

I will wait until the investigation and trial is over before making any judgements- do you think the media will?

Definitely! Rush to judgement is foolish:
How many alleged racial crimes were proven to be hoaxes in the last couple years in Anoka and St Cloud?
One just need look at the dustup of the “poor student” harassed by two AHS teachers, which now has blown up in the face of our beloved media.
I dont think the powers that be will be loving the 2010 elections. Biden, yet again, put foot in mouth on that topic….

GO lonoscopy says:

September 23rd, 2009 at 11:50 pm

“Our government took stock in a lot of toxic bank assests a few months ago. Some of those are looking up. Any chance of the taxpayers breaking even on that paper?”

Adlib I think we’re going to make some money on the deal. Remember when Clinton bailed out Mexico? IF I recall correctly, OR, even semicorrectly (liberal greg, get you mind out of the gutter) Didn’t we tie their debt to their Oil Industry? Which is as close as you can get to being a shareholder as we are with the bailed out U.S. banks.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:11 am

“In other words, short term climate variation has little to do with long term global warming. Yeah, that’s funny as heck.”

It is funny as heck-ola! Let me break this down….one…..more……TIME!

1) If it is a drought in the S.E. U.S., and the drinking water resevours are being drawn down to presumably save a freshwater mullusk. Its called a “Severe Globull Warming Drought”

2) If its a mild summer in minnesota with hardly a day over 90°F, It’s called weather.

3) If you drive thought flooded streets due to a severe storm of record rainfall, It’s called Globull Warming.

4) Butt, If you drive off the road due to Icey blizzard conditions during a winter of record snow and low Temperatues in the month of April, Its called weather.

5) If your lady wears a thong bikini its called “Holy Mackerel”!!

6) Butt if you wear a thong bikini its all “call the police”!!

10) If Polar Bears are exploited by the environmental-Goristas faction of the leftward downhill slide trajectory bulber gullibalists foundation of peace at no cost………whose the real cannibal.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:24 am

Justification for Globull Warming Surrendererd

15) If you grow a mustache because it looks so good on your sister…..

16) If you threaten sombody with the physical assault of “I’ll have my sister sit on you……..

21) If you refuse to eat cottage cheese because it reminds you of the back of your sisters thighs……

30) If you ever DID wear a thong bikini bottom,

a) Did it make a strumb noise when you took it off.

b) Did it feel like you were chewing rope as you walked?

c) How many sprags of hair were twisted up in the the length of “fun” that ran through your crack.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 7:11 am

By the way, the reason America invented most of the world’s modern technology is because of CAPITALISM

Actually most of our technological advancements were heavily subsidized by government grants and government contractors.

Still waiting for you to point to anyone to your right.

Can’t do it, can you. Know why? You’re an extremest.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 7:53 am

There is , however, a pretty large degree of consensus on what is going on.

97.4%. Glad to have you on board.

I think your beef is with the cocksure dorks like Parthian and Dunce who seem so sure the debate is “over” about: the “science” of “modeling.”

97.4%. I think 6BrainCells’ real beef is with the educational system. He should ask for a refund.

It is funny as heck-ola! Let me break this down….one…..more……TIME!

1) When the Earth is absorbing more energy than radiating back into space, it’s called Global Warming.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Measuring-Earths-energy-imbalance.html

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:04 am

DD- is he extremist or the extremest??

Sarge- wtf are you talking about my kids for? should I have a crybaby hissy fit like when someone mentioned your kids? Probably not, I have more balls than you and don’t care what you think.

good night

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:32 am

“How often do we have to have this same conversation, Monty?”

Too many times, Jim. Good point. Your position is clear, and I’ll leave it at that. As you correctly note, it is the HAHAHAs that set me off. To heck with ‘em.

“I have more balls than you and don’t care what you think.”

And that just about sums up OTs position. Why, one wonders, does he post here, except, maybe to see himself type?

Dora says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:01 am

“Who knows, maybe a looney leftie killed him.”

Who knows OT, maybe he wrote “FED” on his own chest and hanged himself just to make the right look bad.

With all the right wing ranting about the census and how it is in cohoots with the evil ACORN there just couldn’t be a connection to this man’s death.

I mean, these kind of comments coupled with the whipping up of anti-government fervor via the “Tea Party” movement culminating in the DC protest well publicized by Fox for months that happened on the exact day his body was found wouldn’t have any effect at all, right?

July 23, 2009, Glenn Beck says that going “door to door collecting information” would be helping to create a “modern day slave state”.

Michele Bachmann: ACORN is being recruited by Obama for a mission — that is so frightening… it scares me to think that these thugs are getting this information from us.

Bachmann again: If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps.

May 20, 2009 Neal Boortz: “the federal government and the state government, they have a legitimate reason for knowing how many people live where… most of the rest of the information is designed to help the government steal from you in order to pass off your property to the moochers. They’re looters.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:02 am

You people, you people with hair don’t know what its like. If you bump your head you just cover it up with hair and go on with your life. Us bald guys we have to endure the public humiliation when ignorant people ask out loud “Bump your head?” or “Gezzz what happen?” This MUST STOP. Along with the looks and the snickering.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:12 am

“Obama is a total loser. ”

Except for the part where he won his office.

And the cheering throngs of people who show up at his speeches and seem to outnumber the nay-sayers on the street outside.

and the esteem he’s returned to his position throughout much of the world.

and…

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am

“And the cheering throngs of people who show up at his speeches and seem to outnumber the nay-sayers on the street outside.”

Which is why I never understand how some people can claim he is still the underdog.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:21 am

Us bald guys we have to endure the public humiliation when ignorant people ask out loud “Bump your head?” or “Gezzz what happen?”

Get a grip tiny, wear a hat. I have to believe you have a half dozen caps that say MACK or BUD on them somewhere lying around.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:25 am

Adlib, America came to be a power of good in the world, not just by defeating murderous dictators like Hitler and stopping the spread of communism (which murdered many more people than even Hitler), but we also invented most of the technology the world enjoys today.

Cell phones alone are enougnh to make me an anti-American.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:28 am

“I have to believe you have a half dozen caps that say MACK or BUD on them somewhere lying around”

How many pairs of Sandals do you own DD?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:30 am

“Who knows OT, maybe he wrote “FED” on his own chest and hanged himself just to make the right look bad. ”

Was it written backwards?

Seriously, though Dora.

I’ll allow a strong possibility that Bill Sparkman’s lynching was politically motivated, but there is another possibility you’re not considering.

This 51-year old Boy Scouts director was walking around in one of the meth-cookingest rural counties in our Republic and knocking on doors and asking people who they were on behalf of the fedral govt. His murder might not have had a political affiliation at all. The Census Bureau should consider how inherently dangerous it is to put not-street-smart employees in that situation.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:31 am

“Cell phones alone are enougnh to make me an anti-American.”

How about the blue tooth??? Guaranteed to make you look like an @sshole.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:36 am

How many pairs of Sandals do you own DD?

Does a pair of Bite’s count?

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:37 am

“Seriously, though Dora.”

You mean there’s an alternate explanation that could explain his death other than the media hyped impending class revolution/ civil war redux?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:42 am

“How about the blue tooth?”

A few years back when earpieces started to become popular, I was wondering why there was this uptick in crazy people walking around talking to themselves. Then I realized they were all just on the phone.

I’ve noticed merging into freeway traffic has gotten more difficult lately. The cell phone addicts sometimes don’t even realize you’re there.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:47 am

Admit it Dan. You own a pair of crocs dont you?

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:54 am

97.4%. I think 6BrainCells’ real beef is with the educational system. He should ask for a refund.

Translation, I don’t really understand the science behind all this, so I must consult the Official Liberal Handbook, Chapter 4 – Insults.

Why does Mars, with a nearly 100% CO2 atmosphere, radiate more energy than it absorbs? Why does the amount of energy radiated fluctuate more than Earth.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:57 am

Admit it Dan. You own a pair of crocs dont you?

Ewwww….

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:57 am

I have more balls than you

I’m not impressed. I have five times as many fingers as you have balls.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:05 am

“Get a grip tiny, wear a hat. I have to believe you have a half dozen caps that say MACK or BUD on them somewhere lying around.”

Not a hat guy. Got one but its covered in paint.

I guess you don’t know what it feels like Dan to have little children run away from you screaming in the grocery store, crying for their mommas

I guess the tolerance and public support and understanding stops at middle aged bald white guys

להקיא I need to borrow one of your hats.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:06 am

How many pairs of Sandals do you own DD?

DD is a cowboy boots wearing guy all the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pod4jIKT_kA

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:11 am

להקיא I need to borrow one of your hats.

I don’t think it would be big enough to cover the lump.

Sounds to me like you might be better off borrowing the kid’s hockey helmet.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Sarge- wtf are you talking about my kids for? should I have a crybaby hissy fit like when someone mentioned your kids? Probably not, I have more balls than you and don’t care what you think.

You are a cowardly little sissy boy who threatens anonymous people with violence on a stupid blog AND who’s definition of manlihood comes from Steven Segal movies.

You are NOT A PATRIOT and you have memory problems:

O.T. says:
September 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 am

…Here is a video of some “very highly educated” UC Berkely students being asked questions my children could answer and they fail badly.

Those Berkely kids were asked what caused the Great Depression — which is something many people disagree on. Fed Chairman Ben Bernake wrote his thesis on what caused the Great Depression, and not everyone agrees with him. I was just saying that if your kids can answer that question, that’s really impressive.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am

Us bald guys we have to endure the public humiliation when ignorant people ask out loud “Bump your head?” or “Gezzz what happen?” This MUST STOP. Along with the looks and the snickering.

Just tell ‘em you got it from headbutting a guy who asked about your baldness.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am

Tiny bumped his head again? Geezus tiny. Your head has more divits than a golfball.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:19 am

“who’s definition of manlihood comes from Steven Segal movies.”

Steven Segal runs like a little girl.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am

“Steven Segal runs like a little girl.”

Thats right. That debate is long over.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:53 am

“Tiny bumped his head again? Geezus tiny. Your head has more divits than a golfball.”

Looks more like the moon.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:03 am

“I have more balls than you”

How about nipples?

Got more than two nipples too?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:15 am

“Why does Mars, with a nearly 100% CO2 atmosphere, radiate more energy than it absorbs? Why does the amount of energy radiated fluctuate more than Earth. ”

Volume.

Mars’ atmospehere may be mostly CO2, but it’s pretty damn thin compared to the Earth.

Earth has a lot more CO2 methane etc in its atmosphere than Mars does.

Regarding your second question, I had not heard that Mars had greater variation in the amount of heat it radiates away. One thought would be maybe there’s more seasonal variation in the size of its polar ice caps and bigger variations in albedo. Or again, because its atmosphere is so thin, maybe variations in raditation from the Sun equate directly to variations in how much Mars reflects into space.

I would think Venus would be a better comparison than Mars if you’re wondering what a real thick atmosphere rich with a lot of greenhouse gases does for a planet. I posit there’s greater danger of Earth becoming like Venus than there is of it becoming like Mars.

Or maybe it will do neither, but become at any rate like a place where 99% of what is currently alive isn’t any more. Hit the evolutionary reset button as it were.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:37 am

The thinness of the atmosphere is the issue. Water is 100 times more dense than our atmosphere, which is 100 times more dense than the atmosphere on Mars.

The moon radiates most of the energy that reaches it, and its temps fluctuate wildly. Mercury is really close to the sun, but nighttime temps drop to -300. Neither have an atmosphere.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:46 am

Why does Mars, with a nearly 100% CO2 atmosphere, radiate more energy than it absorbs? Why does the amount of energy radiated fluctuate more than Earth.

Translation: I don’t understand the earth’s climate science (or care to), so let me ask you a complicated sounding non-sequitur.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:51 am

“Translation: I don’t understand the earth’s climate science (or care to), so let me ask you a complicated sounding non-sequitur.”

Are you being sarcasm again Dan?

Maybe if the doomsday crowd wasn’t such a collection of pricks, they’d have a better job convincing people they’re right? Just a thought.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am

“You mean there’s an alternate explanation that could explain his death other than the media hyped impending class revolution/ civil war redux?”

In 2000 there was a census worker torn up by a pack of mean dogs some idiot was keeping.

Think the dogs listened to Rush Limbaugh’s show?
That was too far back in time for the dogs to get a franked mailing from Bachmann, so we can’t blame this one on her.

Maybe instead of sending part-time workers door-to-door, you could have a census questionaire that you fill out on your tax return. Sure we’d miss the people who don’t file, but ya think the door-to-door process (which sometimes results in the deaths of or injuries to census workers) manages to count all the noses either?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:54 am

“Translation: I don’t understand the earth’s climate science (or care to), so let me ask you a complicated sounding non-sequitur.”

Or

The Records for Today
High 89 (1935)

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Dan,
Sarge’s explanation could just as easily be a non-sequitur.

Is Vomit referring to the difference in mean radiation variation over say, a year, expressed as a percentage? That was what I was assuming.
Sarge seemed to be talking about how much the radiation varies in a given day depending on which side of the planet the sun is shining on. Of course the dark side of any thin-atmosphere planet is going to be colder than the dark side of Earth.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

“Think the dogs listened to Rush Limbaugh’s show?”

People are going to see things the way they want to in order to further their world view. They have too much of their personality wrapped up in their politics to do otherwise.

Both sides want to see a class war / civil war.

I hear more about how much the ultra conservative right hates Obama from the progressive left than I do from the right. They act like an amplifier. I never listen to conservative talk radio, but I know what each and every talk show host says on a daily basis because there is a Dora, Parthian or DD to tell me about it. I think it’s possible they’re getting used.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Mars’ atmospehere may be mostly CO2, but it’s pretty damn thin compared to the Earth.

Earth has a lot more CO2 methane etc in its atmosphere than Mars does.

Regarding your second question, I had not heard that Mars had greater variation in the amount of heat it radiates away. One thought would be maybe there’s more seasonal variation in the size of its polar ice caps and bigger variations in albedo. Or again, because its atmosphere is so thin, maybe variations in raditation from the Sun equate directly to variations in how much Mars reflects into space.

Don’t forget that Mars is a desert subject to planet-wide dust storms, which also account that a good portion of those variations in albedo.

I chose Mars because I’ve heard some skeptics pose the question of why is Mars exhibiting a warming trend when there are no SUVs.

It’s also difficult to make a comparison to Venus since its C02 concentration is around 300,000 times that of Earth, and has an atmosphere affected by geologic processes that are vastly different from that of the Earth.

I wasn’t posting this to make any real comparisions, merely to break DD’s balls for questioning the intelligence level of those who question the gospel.

6th district Jim says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

1) When the Earth is absorbing more energy than radiating back into space, it’s called Global Warming.

OMG.
Is this a joke? It is a joke, right?
We actually have “scientists” who will now claim we can accurately measure the total energy earth absorbs vs the total amount radiated back into space.
….Meanwhile, half our gas stations will have errors in the amount of gas pumped into my tank…….
Did these “science” people go to that half of our chiropractors’ school that have that tube that measures our “nerve energy flow?”

Really, people will believe anything if the person sounds sincere.
The Dunce stands alone, wackO!
Unbelievably funny.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Mark ..

I think both sides are being used.

Neither extreme is telling the whole truth.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Deac,
I don’t want to completely dismiss Dora/Parth/Dan/Blue’s assessment of the growing threat of right-wing anti-gummint violence. Let’s face it, ammo sales are way up. There are many parts of the country where the only radio stations that come in clear play Rush Limbaugh and country music. I’m way more worried about the effect of fathead’s message than I am about the country music. Saw an opinion piece today commenting on how much virulent anti-Kenndey stuff was all over billboards etc in TX before Kennedy was shot and I have to admit it was reminiscent of some of the teabagger propaganda you see now. Seems like Obama is one of the more likely assasination targets in the history of the Presidency. On the other hand, I bet the Secret Service is as on-point as they’ve ever been.

Where I part ways with Parth/Dora/Dan/Blue is
1. I think they are overestimating the threat (maybe even amplifying it as you say) and
2. More importantly, what do they think we should do about someone like Beck or Limbaugh spitting bile? Violate their rights and suppress their speech? No, we can’t do that. Engage their angry followers angrily, and call them childish names? That’s what our Lefty blog friends here seem to deem to be the best tactic. I don’t think it’s helping.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

“Meanwhile, half our gas stations will have errors in the amount of gas pumped into my tank”

I’ve noticed that phenomena, Jim.

The pumps at the BP station on 77th and France, for example, can sell me 13 gallons of gas, when my tank has a 12-gallon capacity. Oddly, I’ve never encountered a pump that seems to sell fat gallons.

But I don’t think this is a worthy indictment of scientific method. It’s an indictment of the @sshole who owns the BP station.

Do you have any idea how scientists calculate the amount of energy radiated into space? If so, what is your critique of their methodology?

Or are you just mocking scientists to cover your insecurity about not knowing much?

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

“I don’t want to completely dismiss Dora/Parth/Dan/Blue’s assessment of the growing threat of right-wing anti-gummint violence.”

I think they play into it creating more hysteria by bringing attention to it. The amount of attention paid to it furhter polarizes this already emotionally exhausted society. How is constantly focussing on the fringe good for america?

Im in total agreement on points 1 and 2.

Im not saying there is no threat, I am saying the resident progresives help diseminate the conservative rights message, further amplifying their message.

Parth, Dora, DD etc. love to talk about the noise machine right? Maybe they doesnt understand that I hear more conservative rhetoric repeated by them than from the actual sources themeselves?

If everyone would step away from the edge instead of squaring off we’d be in better shape.

Im thinking both sides want this fight. The Conservatives that are left are fighting for their political lives and trying to stay relevant anyway they can, and the Liberals just love being the vicitms because they think it validates what they’ve felt all along.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

“But I don’t think this is a worthy indictment of scientific method. It’s an indictment of the @sshole who owns the BP station.”

Arent gas pumps certified by the Dept of Weights and Measures or some such agency?

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

….Although DD has every right question the intelligence level of someone calling him “cocksure dork, the dunce”.

John E Iacono says:

September 24th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

On the census worker tragedy:

Time and invesigation will tell what this was really about.

In the meantime, we can expect the left to argue that any criticism of their agenda is criminal incitement to vicious attacks on government employees.

Not surprising, if one looks at the left’s history of dealing with criticism with ridicule, insults, and attempts to suppress dissent.

Then again, history suggests that those on the right, when they have held sway, have resorted to the same tactics.

Advice to the critical thinkers on both sides: patience is a virtue.

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

“Arent gas pumps certified by the Dept of Weights and Measures or some such agency?”

Yup. They’re checked once a year, in theory.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Let’s face it, ammo sales are way up.

Has no correlation to violence in any way.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

Maybe if the doomsday crowd wasn’t such a collection of pricks, they’d have a better job convincing people they’re right? Just a thought.

Maybe if the I Can’t Possibly Have Anything To Do With It crowd wasn’t such a collection of pricks, they’d be more receptive to the science and less receptive to fossil fuel interests? Just a thought.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

I think they play into it creating more hysteria by bringing attention to it.

So how has the Ignore It And It Will Go Away gambit worked historically?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

“Although DD has every right question the intelligence level of someone calling him “cocksure dork, the dunce”. ”

Don’t forget “wack0″. Oh yeah, we have our right-wing name-callers here too. Jim’s been near the top of the list lately.

And just as parth etc amplify the “right wing noise machine”, so does tiny amplify MSNBC.
I’d never know what was on MSNBC or CNN if it wasn’t for tiny.

“Aren’t gas pumps certified by the Dept of Weights and Measures or some such agency?”

“Yup. They’re checked once a year, in theory. ”

There’s even a sticker that says so, on the ones that charge me for a gallon more than my tank can hold.

Here’s the part where I can only speculate.

Maybe the inspector never comes at random but lazily stays on an annual schedule, so the gas station knows exactly when to crack into their pumps and true them up for a week.

Or maybe they bribe the weights and measures inspector to look the other way. I’m betting the former is more likely the case.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

“So how has the Ignore It And It Will Go Away gambit worked historically?”

Who said ignore? Im talking about fixated paranoia.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

“[increased ammo sales] Has no correlation to violence in any way.”

Maybe not, but oddly enough owning a gun has a correlation to getting killed by one. And it’s way more common to be killed by the one you own than it is to kill someone else in self-defense with it.

I do think the increase in ammo sales correlates with an increasingly popular belief (maybe hopefully subsiding soon)that a runaway leftist govt is going to outlaw guns. People are hoarding to hedge against a rainy day. One might infer that as the kookier end of the gun-having spectrum starts to feel more marginalized, the kookiest .05% of them may attract some Waco-style confrontation to themselves. Or kill some hapless govt agent (like a census-taker, or a meter-reader) who happens to knock on their door.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

“And just as parth etc amplify the “right wing noise machine”, so does tiny amplify MSNBC.
I’d never know what was on MSNBC or CNN if it wasn’t for tiny.”

Excellent point.

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

“Here’s the part where I can only speculate”

And maybe they just check one pump per station. It’s a state agency, and, as we all know, there have been a series of budget cuts on state expeditures over the past few years. One way to cover the same ground with fewer people would be to just do a sample instead of every single pump.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

I don’t want to take away anyone’s guns.

Then again I also don’t like that there’s a speed limit enforced everywhere.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Who said ignore? Im talking about fixated paranoia.

Mr. Moderate sees no middle ground?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

“One way to cover the same ground with fewer people would be to just do a sample instead of every single pump. ”

I don’t really blame the weights and measure insepctors.

I figure any decent business person would check their own pumps and make sure they weren’t overcharging thier customers. Especially if it’s obvious to the customers they’re getting ripped.

I didn’t call the authorities or nuthin’. After I noticed it happened every time I went to that station, I just started going elsewhere. Too bad because it was right on the way home from work. So the $5 or so they managed to beat me out of beat them out of $100′s of legitimate profit from my potential business long term. They should be less greedy and rig their pump to only overcharge by a quarter gallon on a full tank. Then I’d never notice.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

“I don’t want to take away anyone’s guns.”

Neither do I, but D2 should not have any kind of weapon….

and not just because he’s not a patriot.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

“Mr. Moderate sees no middle ground?”

Get in the middle Dan, the waters fine.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

Get in the middle Dan, the waters fine.

Yeah, but all anyone wants to talk about is sports.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

I think as a society we’d be better off if no one was toting guns around, cops included. That’s just my opinon. But I think some of my anti-gun friends don’t understand the fuse they’d be lighting if they actually tried to enforce a ban. Even if they had enough votes to amend the Constitution thusly. I don’t want to try to drag anyone kicking and screaming onto the path of peacefulness.

The older I get, the more I think prohibitions of any kind are futile.

Lately I’ve been developing this theory that if we really want to beat the Taliban in Afghanistan, we should legalize smack and set up legitimate distribution channels from the poppy farmers to American retailers for pure uncut fair-trade Afghan smack. tax the imports and use the revenue to treat addicts. Cut out the criminal terrorist middlemen.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

“Yeah, but all anyone wants to talk about is sports.”

More sports less race card, thats what I always say.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

By the way Dan, that was a good one.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

Maybe not, but oddly enough owning a gun has a correlation to getting killed by one.

Maybe not, but oddly enough, keeping a loaded gun in the house has a correlation to getting killed by one.

Fixed it :)

Guess what outdoor activity is among the least likely to cause death or serious injury? Target shooting at a gun range.

DAR, like Parthian, we just need to get you to the range so you can see the reality for yourself! The overwhelming majority of shooters are law abiding, politically middle of the road people (and liberals like me).

It’s not kooks that are stocking up on ammo – it’s just about everyone who shoots. I have a theory that guns and ammo are highly elastic goods – people who like to shoot are just looking for an excuse to spend more money on guns and/or ammo.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

I think some of my anti-gun friends don’t understand the fuse they’d be lighting if they actually tried to enforce a ban.

I don’t think they understand that you probably couldn’t enforce such a ban without everyone having surrender a substantial amount of their civil liberties.

How many are willing to let the police ransack their homes looking for guns?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

“I don’t think they understand that you probably couldn’t enforce such a ban without everyone having surrender a substantial amount of their civil liberties.”

You can be totally free, or you can be totally safe,
But you can’t be totally free and totally safe.
I guess I’d prefer to occupy the “mostly free” part of that spectrum.

“keeping a loaded gun in the house has a correlation to getting killed by one.”

I accept your corrolary, Sarge. Would add to it,

“keeping a loaded gun in the house or car or walking around with one stuck in your pants has a correlation to getting killed by one.”

I don’t doubt that I’d have fun and be safe (exposure to gun smoke toxins notwithstanding) on a shooting range. I’ve also always thought I could have a ton of fun in a junkyard with a belt-fed machine gun. And some dynamite. Fun city.

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

With hundreds of millions of people here, it would not be hard to find one right wing craz that could kill and hang a census worker. No harder than finding a left wing crazy to do it to himself to help make a point. Didn’t some looney set himself on fire at a recruiting station a year or so ago?

So, either way, or even if it was no motive at all, does not make a statement as to the mindset of half the country. Which by the last Rasmussen is about 50-50 against and for Obama.

Why I would never watch MSNBC:

Yesterday, the Senate Finance Committee defeated a GOP-sponsored amendment that would’ve required the committee to post the Baucus bill online for 72 hours. Here’s how MSNBC reported it:

During the mark-up of the Senate Finance Committee’s health-care bill this morning, Senate Democrats were successful in defeating a GOP-sponsored amendment that would have delayed the bill’s passage.

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

Some people are stocking up on ammo because they believe that Obama and friends will speak publicly saying you can keep your guns but will place such high fees/taxes on the ammo and possibly the weapon so high that you cannot afford to either buy anything anymore.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

keeping a loaded gun in the house or car or walking around with one stuck in your pants has a correlation to getting killed by one.

There was, during the height of L.A. gang violence in the 1990s, a marked increase in instances of young gang bangers suffering what was referred to as “explosive amputation”, the result of shoving a loaded gun in their pants with their finger on the trigger.

I argue that keeping one loaded in the house, or on ones person if safe, provided the person doing it religiously follows standard safety procedures.

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

“Why I would never watch MSNBC”

Ok, if you didn’t watch it, how do you know what was said? Just curious…..

By the way, your post was one of the better ones I’ve read from you lately, OT. You make a good point on the census worker killing.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Hey Sleeping Beauty has awoken.

Wingnuts and teabaggers are making a bigger deal of this than any of the libs. The story’s been about half way down the page at HuffPost since it broke yesterday.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Some people are stocking up on ammo because they believe that Obama and friends will speak publicly saying you can keep your guns but will place such high fees/taxes on the ammo and possibly the weapon so high that you cannot afford to either buy anything anymore.

There’s your wingnut perspective, DAR.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

There’s your wingnut perspective, DAR.

That’s just good marketing.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

That’s a sight less wingnutty than thinking the 2nd Amendment is on the verge of being repealed, but yeah,
I can see it being in an ammo dealer’s interest to spread a rumor like that.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

Obama did go on record as supporting a 500% ammo tax, but it was years ago, before he was even a state senator.

Ignoring the possiblity that he’s revised his position (as thinking people are known to do from time to time), politically it’s not possible.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

“politically it’s not possible”

Are ther more gun owners or smokers in America?

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

“How many are willing to let the police ransack their homes looking for guns? ”

Not here however, I do think there are people who should not have firearms…

and ..

for those that exercise C&C, I’d really like to see some higher standards applied.

Psych tests and practicals are at the top of the list.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

“Are ther more gun owners or smokers in America?”

You’d have to account for the guns …

good luck.

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

“Are ther more gun owners or smokers in America?”

Apples to oranges. Drug use to gun ownership. Lotsa places in this country are going smokeless, smokers seem to accept their fate, and it actually seems to improve the business environment. The only hot button that even comes close to gun ownership that I can think of in American politics is abortion.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

“Drug use to gun ownership.”

Im sure squeezing off a few rounds to a gun owner is like taking a pull of the crack pipe for a drug addict or a bite of a jelly donut to a contestant on Biggest Loser.

What a country.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

“there are people who should not have firearms…”

Of course, neither should some own automobiles. I was on line at the ph@rmacy last week, and the guy in front of me is going on and on about how he’s legally blind, can’t see much of anything directly in front of him, and how it’s AFFECTING HIS DRIVING.
He shouldn’t have guns.

“for those that exercise C&C, I’d really like to see some higher standards applied”

I’m inclined to agree, but the stats show the number of permit holders who have their permits revoked for gun related crimes to be infintesimally small.

Still, that doesn’t make D2 a patriot.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

The only hot button that even comes close to gun ownership that I can think of in American politics is abortion.

I’m prochoice and pro-gun. My line of thinking is that if you can’t get em in the womb, you should at least be entitled to a second shot at the little bastards.

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

“I’m prochoice and pro-gun”

I’m pro-life and pro-gun, but not fanatical on either issue, which definitely doesn’t make d2 a patriot.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

“I’m inclined to agree, but the stats show the number of permit holders who have their permits revoked for gun related crimes to be infintesimally small.

Still, that doesn’t make D2 a patriot.”

I just get bothered by some folks who I really wonder why they have C&C … I won’t go with some folks if they’re armed kind of thing.

But on the other hand, D2 is still not a patriot.

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

I know alot of guys who have stopped smoking in the last 3-4 years because of the price increases.

As someone stated above, Obama has mentioned the 500% tax increase in the past and as far as I know, has not repudiated it since, so it isn’t crazy to think he may still feel that way.

I do know a few people who have began to make their own ammo. Not only is is cheaper, but they feel a little more “manly” from it, kinda like building your own furniture or deck.

Monty- thanks for the compliment, its nice that you have better common sense than sarge.

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

This was interesting, I guess I am in the majority in this poll:

Almost 90 percent of Americans believe the news media helped Barack Obama get elected president last November.

Beyond this, 70 percent feel the press are promoting his presidency, with 56 percent saying they’re pushing ObamaCare “without objective criticism.”

Such were the findings of a new national poll taken by Sacred Heart University.

In fact, according to Wednesday’s press release, almost half of Americans “have permanently stopped watching a news media organization, print or electronic, because of perceived bias”

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

Press release from whom, numbnutz?

I’m beginning to believe you never went to college.

Downtown Dan says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

Almost 90 percent of Americans believe the news media helped Barack Obama get elected president last November.

Because NOBODY ever gets elected without “help” from the press. Nobody would ever hear of or learn about any candidate were it not for the press. That’s how 95% of the public gets to know the candidates. DUH!

Beyond this, 70 percent feel the press are promoting his presidency,

Because 70 percent of the press will promote the office of the president regardless of who holds the office.

In fact, according to Wednesday’s press release, almost half of Americans “have permanently stopped watching a news media organization, print or electronic, because of perceived bias”

How are Fox’s numbers doing?

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:13 am

Ok, collej grajeit, if you can read, it plainly says it was a poll from Sacred Heart University, so using your kindeygarten skills, can you tell me who would have had a press release, sh*t for brains?

DD- do you really think 70% of the press promoted Bush? That isn’t even what the poll is stating, but still, do you? Really?

Alot of people are flocking to Fox because they can plainly see how biased the msm is. Minus the show hosts, Fox is the only station telling us what is really happening.

Downtown Dan says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:15 am

Fox is the only station telling us what is really happening.

(NEW YORK) A new survey of 1,502 adults released Sunday (2007) by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that despite the mass appeal of the Internet and cable news since a previous poll in 1989, Americans’ knowledge of national affairs has slipped a little. For example, only 69% know that Dick Cheney is vice president, while 74% could identify Dan Quayle in that post in 1989.

Other details are equally eye-opening. Pew judged the levels of knowledgeability (correct answers) among those surveyed and found that those who scored the highest were regular watchers of Comedy Central’s The Daily Show and Colbert Report. They tied with regular readers of major newspapers in the top spot — with 54% of them getting 2 out of 3 questions correct. Watchers of the Lehrer News Hour on PBS followed just behind.

Virtually bringing up the rear were regular watchers of Fox News. Only 1 in 3 could answer 2 out of 3 questions correctly.

They don’t call it Faux News for nothing.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:13 am

“Fox is the only station telling us what is really happening.”

BUUUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:17 am

DD- here is a perfect video response to yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53C2-b8BOLs

one last thing, its a good thing Obama gave that stern speech yesterday about Iran, huh? it is laughable how much of a eunech(?) he is.

good night.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 am

“(NEW YORK) A new survey of 1,502 adults released Sunday (2007) by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that despite the mass appeal of the Internet and cable news since a previous poll in 1989, Americans’ knowledge of national affairs has slipped a little.”

If Ive said it once I vesaid at least three times. Post the link Dan.

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