Oops…

September 24th, 2009 – 1:19 PM by Bob von Sternberg

Even as they run for re-election this year, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak and St. Paul mayor Chris Coleman are widely considered to be likely DFL candidates for governor in 2010.

And even though neither one has actually declared his candidacy, the DFL today did just that — sort of. Its announcement for its annual Founders Day dinner on Saturday listed both mayors as one of the party’s candidates for governor.

Never reluctant to gig the other side, the state Republican Party was quick to mock the apparent slip, quoting party chair Tony Sutton as saying he’s “thankful to the DFL Party for ending the ridiculous charade that Coleman and Rybak are somehow not candidates for governor.”

616 Responses to "Oops…"

monty says:

September 24th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Talk about a Freudian slip. I’d like to see RT run, but either one would be a vast improvement over the DFL endorsed candidates of the past two elections.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Liberal democrat policies such as Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak’s illegal alien “Sanctuary City” policy blah blah,
blahblahblahblahblahblah.

Sorry D2, beat you to it.

להקיא says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Liberal democrat policies such as Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak’s illegal alien “Sanctuary City” policy blah blah,
blahblahblahblahblahblah.

Sorry D2, beat you to it.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

You forgot to mention his immoral liberal attitude toward “the holy herb”.

Deacon Blues says:

September 24th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

“thankful to the DFL Party for ending the ridiculous charade that Coleman and Rybak are somehow not candidates for governor.”

Who’s going to end your ridiculous charade that Pawlenty is somehow not a candidate for President?

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

Everyone knows that Bachman won’t run for gov cuz she’s gonna team up with Palin for prez …

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

“Sorry D2, beat you to it.”

Pretty insightful Vomit! You’re right!, I always liked you. Liberal democrat mayor R.T. Rybak’s illegal alien “Santuary City” policy is exactly what I was going to bring up.

Maybe you are feeling the problems generated by the illegal alien invasion in Florida as well?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

How about Bachmann/Pawlenty? An all Minnesota ticket Greg!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

Liberal indoctrination in our government run public schools!

Kids forced to worship Barack Hussein Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

People should be OUTRAGED, Greg!

GO lonoscopy says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

“ACORN Sues Undercover Filmmakers
by The Associated Press

ACORN and two former employees of its Baltimore office filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit Wednesday against the makers of a hidden-camera video that showed the employees giving tax advice to a man posing as a pimp and a woman posing as a prostitute.”

I can see the headline for tommorows paper-

“Pedophiles sue Dateline NBC news and Chris Hansen for invasion of privacy”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

A multimillion-dollar lawsuit by the corrupt democrat vote fraud group ACORN!

This makes about as much sense as the Flying Imam’s making millions in a frivolous lawsiut from their stunt.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

“How about Bachmann/Pawlenty? An all Minnesota ticket Greg! ”

The whiner and the wacko ..

and extremely unpatriotic.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

I really like Tim Pawlenty, but sometimes he’s too liberal Greg. That’s why I listed Michele Bachmann first in my choice for the Presidential ticket.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

“I really like Tim Pawlenty, but sometimes he’s too liberal Greg. That’s why I listed Michele Bachmann first in my choice for the Presidential ticket. ”

Not only are you unpatriotic …

you’re insane.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

“you’re insane.”

What’s insane Greg is how America is allowing Obama to get away with destroying this country. We need to wake up Greg, and people should be outraged!

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Just me, but it was extremism that caused the most harmful attack on this country in history.

Extremism is not good for this country and it’s probably safe to say there was never room for it in the founding of our country …

in short, extremism is unpatriotic.

Extremists will destroy this country.

This is an example of extremism:

http://www.dare2sayit.com

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

“What’s insane Greg is how America is allowing Obama to get away with destroying this country. ”

How is he doing that?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

Greg, you’re right, Islamic extremism caused 9-11, but it appears from the recent news that there are Islamic extremists living amongst us that still want us dead even with Barack Hussein Obama occupying the White House.

Greg, I’m sure you think our Founding Fathers were “extremists” as well on equal level as Al-Qaida in America, am I right?

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Interesting tidbit here:

His body was allegedly found with the word “fed” scrawled across the chest, which was all the evidence the nutroots needed to conclude that the right’s long, long-awaited murderous rampage had finally begun. Minor details after the fact: (a) Cops haven’t ruled out suicide, (b) they won’t confirm the “fed” bit, and (c) there were unspecified “errors” in the original AP story.
2) His death has been ruled “asphyxia,” Trosper said in an interview. “There was a rope around his neck. It was attached to a tree,” Trosper continued, adding this intriguing detail: “He was in contact with the ground.”
That raises the possibilty that the cause of death was not hanging. Asked if this were possible, Trosper said: “Nothing is being ruled out.”
3) Trosper said the initial AP story on the death contains “flaws and errors.” That means it’s possible that the AP’s claim, based on an anonymous source, that he had the word “fed” scrawled on his chest could be false. Asked if that were the case, Trosper declined to comment.

Could it be that sarge, dora and the gang are up in arms over a guy doing the ol’ autoerotic masturbating? Or is sarge just worried because he does this all the time and is afraid accidentally dying from it. We will never know. Sarge, untie yourself, come out of the closet and answer.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

“Greg, I’m sure you think our Founding Fathers were “extremists” as well on equal level as Al-Qaida in America, am I right? ”

Wrong …

straw is used to protect the floor from poop.

Our founding fathers wanted a country free of religous persecution …

and all other forms of prejudice.

They realized that freedom comes with a price …

your ideology is almost entirely NOT what the founding fathers had intended.

Your ideology is very unpatriotic.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

“Our founding fathers wanted a country free of religous persecution …”

The only problem we have with religion right now is Muslims demanding WE adapt to THEM liberal Greg. That’s a bunch of Barbara Streisand Greg, and we shouldn’t put up with it .

People should be outraged!

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

Extremists and their little yarns ..

pathetic.

Greg 63 says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

“The only problem we have with religion right now is Muslims demanding WE adapt to THEM liberal Greg. That’s a bunch of Barbara Streisand Greg, and we shouldn’t put up with it .”

How so? Other than some extremist taxi drivers ..

Aren’t you the one that claimed we’re a Christian nation and in the same paragraph will use the founding fathers to make your point (not that you ever make one).

Have you ever realized that much of your ideology is directly in line with the same ideology our founding fathers came here to escape?

You’re ideology is extreme and very unpatriotic.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

“Or is sarge just worried because he does this all the time and is afraid accidentally dying from it.”

Isn’t that what happened to Sarge’s liberal icon David Carradine?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

“How so? Other than some extremist taxi drivers ..”

Flying Imam’s Greg. They and the anti-American CAIR (Council on American Islamist Relations) with help of leftist Keith Hakim Ellison(DFL), are not only trying to gain millions in frivolous lawsuit money, but the scarey part is that they are trying to ban the reporting of common sense suspicion of potential terrorist activity.

SgtPendleton says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

O.D. you imply there’s something shameful about being gay — there’s nothing wrong with it. And believe me if I were to come out, you’d be the first to know.

You guys have so many sexual hang ups — it’s really amazing that you were able to get it up long enough to have kids. There’s nothing wrong or shameful about masturbation either — although doing it with a rope around your neck is stupid.

Regardless, O.D. is showing his lack of detective skills by jumping to a conclusion about this guy — and obesessing about it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

SgtLiberalton,

Just so you know, I have nothing against homosexual activity between two consenting adults or even legal gay unions for that matter, but these unions should NEVER be called marriage.

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

Where did I say gay????? When I said come out of the closet, it meant that a majority of people use that area for their auto erotic pleasuring, not a gay thing. Don’t be so quick to make judgements, private.

I have the misfortune of seeing a few of these scenes, not pretty to look at. A buddy of mine from college’s brother died from it too, back when no one knew anything aboutt his sh*t. It has to do with the height of the clothing bar and the “privacy”. Don’t ask me, I still do my stuff the old fashioned way.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

Vomit says:

“Liberal democrat policies such as Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak’s illegal alien “Sanctuary City” policy”
**************************************
Widow of Houston police officer sues city over illegal alien sanctuary policy:

http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norfolk-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d24-Widow-of-Houston-police-officer-sues-city-over-illegal-alien-sanctuary-policy

dare2sayit.com says:

September 24th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

I didn’t confront R.T. Rybak when I stood in line with him for a Wild Rice burger at the Minnesota State Fair this year similar to what I did with Paul Wellstone, even though his “Santuary City” policies are hurting Minnesota.

Check out the pictures of Paul and I. I really liked the guy and was very sad to hear of his passing, but he was wrong politically.

http://www.dare2sayit.com/yours_truly_with_paul_wellstone_.htm

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:32 am

UNITED NATIONS – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told assembled world leaders Thursday that he smells hope not sulfur, a small compliment for Barack Obama when compared with his having branded then President George W. Bush as “the devil” in his last speech to the world body three years ago.

Yeah, I smelled it too, but it had more of an odor like bull manure, patent leather, arugala, and lots of hair spray.

Does it bother anyone else that Chavez, Gadafi(?), Castro, and all of the others want Obama to be president as much as they do.

I am kind of like Palin. I can only hear Russia though, not see it but all I hear is laughter from there.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:29 am

O.T. says:
“I am kind of like Palin. ”

You dress the same?

I think D2 does the same thing. You guys should go shopping together or …

something.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:48 am

“I didn’t confront R.T. Rybak when I stood in line with him for a Wild Rice burger at the Minnesota State Fair this year …”

Afraid to say it in person?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:09 am

“Afraid to say it in person?”

Sure, just like I was afraid when I met Wellstone.

Actually, Rybak looked like he was about to pee pants when he saw a guy wearing a conservate button and t-shirt in line right next to him,and I felt kind of sorry for the liberal wimp.

Wellstone seemed like more of a scrapper, and I respected that. I like Paul Wellstone and he seemed like the kind of guy you would want to go have a beer with.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:29 am

ONE OF THE BEST EXPLANATIONS OF WHY OBAMA WON THE ELECTION:

From a teacher in the Nashville area

“We are worried about “the cow” when it is all about the “Ice Cream”

The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third grade this year.

The presidential election was heating up and some of the children showed an interest.

I decided we would have an election for a class president.

We would choose our nominees. They would make a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other class members.

We discussed what kinds of characteristics these students should have.

We got many nominations and from those, Jamie and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good kids.

I thought Jamie might have an advantage because he got lots of parental support.

I had never seen Olivia’s mother.

The day arrived when they were to make their speeches.

Jamie went first.

He had specific ideas about how to make our class a better

place. He ended by promising to do his very best.

Everyone applauded and he sat down.

Now it was Olivia’s turn to speak.

Her speech was concise.

She said, “If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream.”

She sat down.

The class went wild. “Yes! Yes!

We want ice cream.”

She surely would say more. She did not have to.

A discussion followed. How did she plan to pay for the ice cream?

She wasn’t sure.

Would her parents buy it or would the class pay for it.

She didn’t know.

The class really didn’t care.

All they were thinking about was ice cream.

Jamie was forgotten. Olivia won by a landslide.

Every time Barack Obama opened his mouth he offered ice cream and

52 percent of the people reacted like nine year olds.

They want ice cream.

The other 48 percent know they’re going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess.
*********************************
“When the people find they can vote themselves money,
that will herald the end of the republic.”
-Benjamin Franklin

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:44 am

“The other 48 percent know they’re going to have to feed the cow and clean up the mess”

Of course, many of those same 48% don’t realize that we’d been eating ice cream for quite some time before BO.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:50 am

“Of course, many of those same 48% don’t realize that we’d been eating ice cream for quite some time before BO.”

If that’s true, I’m glad BO’s radical soci@lism is waking people up. In a way, it a good thing BO’s in occupying the White House instead a liberal RINO John McCain, you know, the boiling frog analogy.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:11 am

Lutherans opposed to ELCA vote weigh future.

New rules about gay clergy have boosted interest in Lutheran CORE group’s national meeting: They’ll discuss leaving the ELCA.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/faith/61374852.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsl

Good deal! I was hoping that the common sense portion of the ELCA which still believes in the Bible’s teachings, not Adam and Steve, would revolt instead of taking it up the chute from the leftist infiltrators who have a gay marriage agenda.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:14 am

“..liberal RINO John McCain, you know, the boiling frog analogy.”

Yep, he’d croak and then we’d be left with a total unpatriotic nutcase.

It’s interesting D2 that you realize she’d be a big mistake.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:19 am

“It’s interesting D2 that you realize she’d be a big mistake.”

Palin would have been much better than liberal RINO John McCain.

My point is that Obama is so obviously destructive to America that people are waking up, and will hopefully vote in TRUE conservatives next time. That’s the only was to get our country back on track and prosperous again.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:23 am

“My point is that Obama is so obviously destructive to America that people are waking up, and will hopefully vote in TRUE conservatives next time. That’s the only was to get our country back on track and prosperous again. ”

Your wet dream.

Don’t count on it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:26 am

“Your wet dream.”

Obamunism is more like a nightmare Greg.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am

“Obamunism is more like a nightmare Greg. ”

Nah .. Palin, Bachman, Pelosi, Reed .. those are nightmares.

The nightmare weavers are Beck, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Olberman, Maddow, Hannity, Matthews, etc.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:35 am

“The nightmare weavers are, Olberman, Maddow, Matthews, etc.

Good point Greg!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:44 am

Obama “Science Czar” John Holdren’s 1971 warning: ‘A New Ice Age’ Likely.

“He wrote (along with colleague Paul Ehrlich) the book’s sixth chapter, called “Overpopulation and the Potential for Ecocide.””

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=873

It’s funny how the left changes their scare tactics to fit their agenda like this. He was right about third world overpopulation, but today the left refuses to discuss that, instead trying to pin all the problems on countries like the United States.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:45 am

“Good point Greg! ”

That pretty much proves you’re part of the nightmare ..

the unpatriotic nightmare.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:55 am

“That pretty much proves you’re part of the nightmare ..”

And I was hoping you’d argue about the ELCA. Go figure……

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:57 am

Well, I better get out and split some oak before the rain hits.

Have a good day everyone!

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:13 am

“Well, I better get out and split some oak before the rain hits.”

Translation: I better watch my internet porn before my wife wakes up.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:15 am

…leftist infiltrators who have a gay marriage agenda.

Those “leftist infiltrators” are a majority of the ELCA, 2Dim. You really need to join the Wisconsin synod — it sounds like CORE might pull away from the main body of the ELCA to form a new church. Good riddance!

And your analogy is mixed up — Olivia represents the Republicans — “ice cream” = tax cuts. You ask any American if they’d rather receive a government benefit or pay less in taxes, 95% are going to say they want to pay less tax.

You still didn’t explain how Obama is “destroying capitalism”.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:19 am

Translation: I better watch my internet gay pron before my wife wakes up.

Fixed it.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:20 am

“You still didn’t explain how Obama is “destroying capitalism”.”

We have to burn the village down to save it.

Capitalism will come out better after this is all over. Better regs, better confidence, more sustainable.

That is assuming we fix SS and Medicare. If we dont do that were fvcked.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:41 am

“Those “leftist infiltrators” are a majority of the ELCA”

I find it hard to believe that most members of the ELCA go against the Bible’s teachings and try to rewrite it to bend over forwards and please the gay community. My ELCA church for example stopped funding these guys.

“And your analogy is mixed up — Olivia represents the Republicans — “ice cream” = tax cuts. You ask any American if they’d rather receive a government benefit or pay less in taxes, 95% are going to say they want to pay less tax.”

Most Obama supporters probably pay very little if any income taxes, which explains their vote for handouts.

“You still didn’t explain how Obama is “destroying capitalism”.”

Obama is a SOCI@LIST for the cryin’ out loud! He is trying to dismantle private business while expanding government.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:58 am

“That is assuming we fix SS and Medicare. If we dont do that were fvcked”

That’s a really big “if”. Any fix will almost certainly involve raising taxes and, as Sarge points out above, Americans want to pay less, not more, taxes. Problem is, freedom ain’t free…

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:00 am

““You still didn’t explain how Obama is “destroying capitalism”.”

Obama is a SOCI@LIST for the cryin’ out loud!”

Clear as mud, d2.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:01 am

“Any fix will almost certainly involve raising taxes”

When will liberals learn that we can’t tax ourselves into prosperity?

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:04 am

“Obama is a SOCI@LIST for the cryin’ out loud!”

D2 is NOT a patriot for cryin’ out loud!

Fixed it.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:07 am

“When will liberals learn that we can’t tax ourselves into prosperity?”

When will neocons learn that we can’t borrow and spend ourselves into prosperity?

Fixed that one too.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:08 am

“When will liberals learn that we can’t tax ourselves into prosperity?”

Ask the Sweeds.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:10 am

“When will neocons learn that we can’t borrow and spend ourselves into prosperity?”

Are you serious? Borrow and spend is what Obama’s all about!

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:14 am

“I find it hard to believe that most members of the ELCA go against the Bible’s teachings”

Stoning people for having premarital sex is so 1500 BC.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:18 am

“Ask the Sweeds.”

You mean the Swede’s?

Can I ask them about their 19.8% unemployement rate?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:20 am

“Stoning people for having premarital sex is so 1500 BC.”

Don’t bring modern day Islam into this DAR.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:20 am

Any policy or philosophy taken to an extreme is going to cause problems. Just as pure soci@lism has shown that it is impractical, so also pure capitalism would creat more injustice and woe than it would solve. And d2s Soci@lism! charge is dishonest. I’ll bet he writes off his home mortgage interest on his taxes, avails himself to some sort of group health insurance, etc, etc. We already live in a SOCI@L democracy, and it’s been that way for quite a while. Just because one doesn’t realize it doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:24 am

“Can I ask them about their 19.8% unemployement rate?”

Try 6%

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:25 am

“STOCKHOLM, Sept. 17 (Reuters) – Sweden’s jobless rate rose to 8.0 percent in August from 7.9 percent in July, the statistics office (SCB) said on Thursday.”

Sorry 8%

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:26 am

Monty,

Obama isn’t just a soci@list, his idiology more closely resembles that of Karl Marx and Fidel Castro than that of our Founding Fathers, who I’m sure he has absolutely no respect for.

People should be outraged!

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:27 am

“Are you serious?”

Why, yes. I only have to think back to the days of W, to say nothing of our current TPaw, to see the borrow and spend philosophy in full flower. The fact that O has to deal with the consequences of 8 years of it,just as our next govenor will as well, doesn’t make it their own policy. They just get stuck with cleaning up the mess left behind.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:29 am

“Sorry 8%”

“Not counting the forced student, the underemployed or all other absentees the Swedish unemployment rate would be 19.8% fully 962.000 out of work of a workforce of 4.848.000 (add the latent jobless to get 22.5%).”

http://www.truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/000589.html

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:29 am

“Obama isn’t just a soci@list…”

You’re gonna have to do more than just repeat yourself, d2. Otherwise it’s just ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:31 am

“Why, yes. I only have to think back to the days of W”

Bush was too liberal on spending, you’re right. That’s why we need true conservatives in Washington to clean up the mess.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:33 am

A link from d2! But it’s from June of ’05, d2. What’s that got to do with right now?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:33 am

“You’re gonna have to do more than just repeat yourself, d2″

You lib’s are the one’s repeating yourselves over and over with “NOT a Patriot”

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:34 am

“Stoning people for having premarital sex is so 1500 BC.”

“Don’t bring modern day Islam into this DAR. ”

Don’t look at me, Dare2, you’re the one who is trying to making your church more like Islam.

If you really believe you have to do everything just like the Bible says, that’s in there. Where do you think the Muslim’s got it?

Oh,
and don’t let your wife or daughters cross any rivers if they’re menstruating.

And put down that hot dog.

If your new Lutheran splinter group is all about sticking to the word of the Bible, you got a lot of new/old rules to follow.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:35 am

” That’s why we need true conservatives in Washington”

You mean like Ronald Reagan?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:36 am

“But it’s from June of ‘05,”

Thanks for pointing that out! I’m sure their unemployement rate is MUCH higher today than 19.8% with the recession and all.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:38 am

” repeating yourselves over and over with “NOT a Patriot” ”

Well, you’re not. Works for you, doesn’t it?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:41 am

Now you might come to the conclusion, Dare2 that Levitcus and Deuteronomy are just a bunch of obsolte Bronze-Age health codes that you don’t need to follow just be good with God. That should resolve the homosexual minister hangup for you and if it doesn’t then maybe it has someting to do with your own innate hate or unresolved inner conflicts.

Either way say you conclude that really you should just look to the New Testament and Jesus’ words therein for guidance.

How many winter coats do you have in your closet? You should only have one good one that fits you. Any surplus you should hand out to people who don’t have a coat and need one. I suggest someone who has just arrived from a warmer climate.

That Jesus was kinda, what’s the word?

Oh yeah.

Soci@list.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:41 am

“I’m sure their unemployement rate is MUCH higher”

Well YOU might be, but Deacon has already pointed out it’s 8%. Given your propensity to hyperbole, I think I’ll go with Deacon. Unless you’ve got something from 2009 to show us?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:47 am

“That Jesus was kinda, what’s the word?

Oh yeah.

Soci@list.”

Sounds more like charity Ding Dong.

Listen I can’t quote one bible passage. Not one damn one. But you …. you been reading the bible there Ron or just “copy and Pasting” others who have. Kills me to no end this “bible passage on my hip” thing. Feels all Frickin’Jesus Freak like to me Ron.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:48 am

Maybe you are feeling the problems generated by the illegal alien invasion in Florida
as well.

Hmm, I seem to recall hearing a little Spanish in the ER, as they were wheeling my stretcher past the waiting room. I wanted to get off the stretcher to check their immigration status, but the doctors insisted I don’t move.

Then there was that time I got the sh1ts that I think may have been caused by a tomato that may have been picked by a Hispanic who may have been a Mexican or may have been Guatamalan who may have been an illegal alien.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:48 am

DAR, the Bible was written a long time ago, and it’s not surprising that different denominations will have different interpretations, but NO religion or denomination has screwed up so badly in their interpretations to the point of promoting Man on Man marriage (unless it’s a phoney liberal church). In fact, the Bible openly states that homosexual behavior is a sin.

Again, I’m not against civil unions, just don’t call these unions marriage.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:54 am

“I seem to recall hearing a little Spanish in the ER”

Good point Vomit! Illegals have forced many Emergency Rooms to close for financial reasons. Even Hennepin County want’s to raise property taxes by 5% to pay for non-paying scum at HCMC.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:55 am

“Sounds more like charity Ding Dong”

And what are soci@l services but organized charity, Tiny?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:55 am

And liberal democrat mayor R.T. Rybak’s illegal alien “Sanctuary City” policy has a lot to do with it.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:59 am

“the Bible was written a long time ago”

This allows the d2s of the world to pick and choose which passages support their prejudices and which to ignore.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:59 am

“Given your propensity to hyperbole, I think I’ll go with Deacon. Unless you’ve got something from 2009 to show us? ”

It’s not hyperbole .. it’s lies.

See, that’s the whole gig with D2 and his crew….

misinformation…

and lying.

Same goes on the other end of the spectrum. Just select pieces of information to drive up the paranoia level.

Extremism depends on misinformation and lying to incite paranoia which in turn provides control and power.

Dishonest, unpatriotic, and probably not very Christian.

Just me, but D2 can’t explain himself because he knows he’s full of crap but will do anything to get his way …

he should run for office.

Heck, hitler made it to the top why can’t he?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:02 am

Obama Attacks Founding Fathers, Constitution:

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_founding_fathers/2008/10/27/144567.html

Obama is NOT a Patriot.

People should be outraged!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:03 am

Looks like it quit raining. Back to splitting wood.

Later guys!

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:05 am

“This allows the d2s of the world to pick and choose which passages support their prejudices and which to ignore. ”

Exactly.

This is why my church has only one member. Your religion belongs to you.

I don’t need anyone to pervert something to their own intentions for me.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:09 am

“Dishonest, unpatriotic, and probably not very Christian”

Probably? What was that in the OT bible about not bearing false witness? Or in the NT about loving your neighbor as you love yourself?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:10 am

Listen I can’t quote one bible passage. Not one damn one. But you …. you been reading the bible there Ron or just “copy and Pasting”…

Quoting, or at least paraphrasing from what I was taught in church as a kid. My own words tiny, based on what I think I know about what kind of people Jesus wanted us to be. Not parroting some crap I read on some blog. Really I am bringing up my Bible knowledge because Dare2 keeps insisting that men being gay is bad because the Bible says so. Well Sh!t there’s all sorts of crazy crap in the Bible if you read it cover to cover.
But the parts where they’re quoting Jesus directly… maybe not 100% reliable but it’s some pretty good stuff.
I might have been a little off on the two coats thing though. That might have been John the Baptist.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:12 am

“Your religion belongs to you”

This is true. Whether you belong to an organized religion or not, it all comes down to your own personal beliefs. If you use a book to justify your discrimination against someone, it says more about you than it does about the book.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:14 am

Monty ..

You’re right.

D2 ..

your reference is bogus again. It’s opinion based only on selected statements with paranoia added in.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:21 am

Most Obama supporters probably pay very little if any income taxes, which explains their vote for handouts.

So you’re saying most of the 53% who voted for him pay very little if any income tax?

I support Obama and I pay more in taxes than what I grossed in my first year out of college, 2Dim. McCain promised me more ice cream than Obama did (bigger tax cut), yet I still voted for Obama.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:24 am

How is he trying to dismantle private business 2Dim? You believe in fairy tales. I know you’re not talking about the bailout of AIG – that happened under your beloved Bush. GM? It would have taken down half the economy if it had failed. It’s well on its way to being a 100% privately held. Let it fail? Look what happened when they let Lehman Bros. fail.

So what else is he trying to dismantle? No one on the right can answer this in an intelligent way, so I don’t know why I’m expecting you to.

Oh, and the bible also very openly states (in many places) that you can’t eat pork.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:27 am

“Oh, and the bible also very openly states (in many places) that you can’t eat pork. ”

I believe Jesus wants me to eat ribs.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:28 am

“Not counting the forced student, the underemployed or all other absentees the Swedish unemployment rate would be 19.8% fully 962.000 out of work of a workforce of 4.848.000 (add the latent jobless to get 22.5%).”

Wow D2, what do you suppose the US’s unemployment rate is if we apply the same standards? Apples to Apples Sweedens unemployemnt rate is lower than ours by 2%.

Idiot.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:29 am

“And what are soci@l services but organized charity, Tiny?”

Government Run Charity ?

You guys ever heard of Tammany Hall. Lots of government, lots of party jobs lots of government contracts, lots of people voting party to keep their jobs.
And lots and lots of waste and corruption. 20th century Chicago is a another good example.

You don’t get the danger in everything government this and everything government that.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:30 am

His body was allegedly found with the word “fed” scrawled across the chest, which was all the evidence the nutroots needed to conclude that the right’s long, long-awaited murderous rampage had finally begun.

It could have been there to tell the morgue staff that he already had lunch.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:31 am

“I believe Jesus wants me to eat ribs.”

Thats why god made them so tasty.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:33 am

Or Soviet Russia. Or did they just “do it wrong”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:38 am

“Oh, and the bible also very openly states (in many places) that you can’t eat pork.”

Sarge, maybe pigs had swine flu or something back in those days and people got sick eating tainted pork. Who knows!

However, since the Bible CLEARLY states that homosexual behavior is wrong, you can bet that homosexual marriage is also frowned upon. How can liberals think they can get away with rewriting the Bible to the way they see fit?

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:38 am

“In practice I think this 19.8% figure is somwehat comparable to rates for the US and other market economies.”

What D2 didnt post.

Moron.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:41 am

“I believe Jesus wants me to eat ribs.”

“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy”
-Benjamin Franklin

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

“How can liberals think they can get away with rewriting the Bible to the way they see fit?”

What makes you think capital punishement is condoned by the bible? And who’s rewriting anything? You can have the bible or the constitution, you cant have both.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

Don’t ask me, I still do my stuff the old fashioned way.

Me too. Half a canteloupe, an army helmet, some chicken feathers, my roller skates, and Tabasco are all I need.

No kinky stuff involving ropes.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:44 am

“Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy”
-Benjamin Franklin

“Alcohol has many defenders but no defense.”
-Abraham Lincoln

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:45 am

Actually, Rybak looked like he was about to pee pants when he saw a guy wearing a conservate button and t-shirt in line right next to him,and I felt kind of sorry for the liberal wimp.

Are you sure he didn’t notice an erection, or something?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am

Sweden slashes income tax further to boost jobs:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.a3018ceef6a0590e0fe87c97c608ebdc.4b1&show_article=1

That’s funny. Obama thinks the path to job creation is to RAISE taxes.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am

“Are you sure he didn’t notice an erection, or something? ”

That’s probably what it was.

An unpatriotic erection.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:53 am

“Are you sure he didn’t notice an erection”

I’m sure he was looking.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am

“Kiss my @ss.”
-Tiny bulbs

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:57 am

“That’s funny. Obama thinks the path to job creation is to RAISE taxes. ”

On the very wealthy who are already paying less by percentage.

And D2, this is involving personal income …

does that really stop the ability to start a business and lower employment?

You really are unpatriotic and not a very good Christian either.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:59 am

and don’t let your wife or daughters cross any rivers if they’re menstruating.

I’d recommend locking up the kitchen knives, too.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 11:59 am

“I’m sure he was looking.”

Your reputation proceeds you …

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

“What makes you think capital punishement is condoned by the bible?”

I don’t care if it is or not. Taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to keep murderers incarcerated their whole lives.

“And who’s rewriting anything?”

My reasons for preserving traditional marriage have little to do with the Bible. This whole topic came up because liberals infiltrating the ELCA are pushing for the Church’s endorsement of gay marriage which is a rediculous notion.

This reminds me of liberal Dick who occasionally comments here. He admitted that he’s a church going athiest.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

Good point Vomit! Illegals have forced …

Sorry D2, but I think you might have missed my point.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

According to D2′s source

“Sweden’s centre-right government on Saturday announced income tax cuts of 10 billion kronor to stimulate the job market, its primary objective.”

So lets see, at today’s exchange rate of
1 Swedish krona = 0.144179 U.S. dollars

That means Sweeden cut taxes by a whopping $1.4 billion dollars. WOOOOOOO daddy, stand back man.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

“My reasons for preserving traditional marriage have little to do with the Bible.”

Then why do you use that as the primary reason you object to it?

Have you been lying to us?

What is your reason then?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

“On the very wealthy who are already paying less by percentage.”

Not true. The top 1% of wage earners pay close to half of the income taxes. Also, when you penalize people for being successful, it won’t be as attractive to become successful and fewer jobs will be created.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

“What is your reason then?”

It’s for the children.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

“This reminds me of liberal Dick ”

I think there are many things that remind D2 of dick ..

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

2Dim you can run but you can’t hide. You still haven’t explained how Obama is “dismantling capitalism”.

You can’t explain it because you don’t know what it means.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

“Not true. ”

Really?

You’re saying that you pay less tax on your income by percntage than a person making 50b/year?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

“You still haven’t explained how Obama is “dismantling capitalism”.”

Obama Economic Plan 101 How to destroy Capitalism:

http://www.redblueamerica.com/blog/2008-10-14/obama-economic-plan-101-how-destroy-capitalism-4521

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

It’s for the children.

Gay parents are just as good as straight parents – they’ve done about 8,000 studies on it. Also, the kids are no more likely to be gay than kids of straight parents.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Greg, the bottom 50% of wage earners pay vitually no income taxes, while the top 10% pay just about all of it. How long can liberals think we can solve all of our problems by continually raising taxes on the rich? It actually makes our economy worse.

Tax the rich, feed the poor · Till there are no rich no more
-Ten Years After

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

“Gay parents”

How can that happen. Gays can’t reproduce.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

How can liberals think they can get away with rewriting the Bible to the way they see fit?

That seems to be what people have been doing from day 1. Which version do you follow? The one rewritten by King James?

I was reading a book by Roy Blount Jr. last weekend, who brought up an interesting concept.

Religion has nothing to do with why some people oppose gay marriage. It’s simply that the thought of what gay couple do with each other in the bedroom makes them uncomfortable.

Given that I know few opponents of gay marriage that really apply the bible to their everyday lives, I think he has a point.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

“You guys ever heard of Tammany Hall”

Yup. I hadn’t heard, however, that it provided “soci@l services”.

“Or Soviet Russia”

Soci@l services, Tiny. Not communism.

““Kiss my @ss.”
-Tiny bulbs”

Well, we won’t need a link for that one.

Downtown Dan says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

However, since the Bible CLEARLY states that…

You really, really don’t want to go there.

Not true. The top 1% of wage earners pay close to half of the income taxes.

Why do Cons only care about income taxes and not all the rest of taxes?

Also, when you penalize people for being successful, it won’t be as attractive to become successful and fewer jobs will be created.

So how did the US do in the 1950′s and 60′s? What were the top marginal tax rates then? What were the top rates in Reagan’s first year in office? How did the US produce the majority of the worlds wealthiest people under such draconian conditions?

Oh, and checking…. checking….

Nope, you’re still not a patriot.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

“Also, when you penalize people for being successful, it won’t be as attractive to become successful and fewer jobs will be created.”

Yeah, success is so over rated.

Downtown Dan says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Also, when you penalize people for being successful,

Anyone who thinks they’re being penalized for being successful needs to fire their accountant.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

“Anyone who thinks they’re being penalized for being successful needs to fire their accountant.”

Wrong. I think you’ve got accountant and therapist mixed up. Thats exactly what an accountant is there to do.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

“Religion has nothing to do with why some people oppose gay marriage. It’s simply that the thought of what gay couple do with each other in the bedroom makes them uncomfortable”

Good point.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

If I made a million dollars a year my taxes would exceed what my income is now.

But my after-tax income would still be more than 10 times what my income is now.

So how does the thought of paying more taxes than i do now de-motivate me to think of a way to make more money?

I’ve never gotten that line of thinking.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

“I’ve never gotten that line of thinking.”

Because sane emotionally healthy people realize success is more than how much money you make.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

Money can’t buy happiness, but it can rent it.

Downtown Dan says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Money can’t buy happiness; but then neither can poverty.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

“You guys ever heard of Tammany Hall”

Now this is one of the better points tiny has made in a while. not a great point, but better.

Jesus and John the Baptist advocated a kind of voluntary collectivism, wheras a soci@list state pretty much by definition features compulsory redistribution of wealth. But many people by nature are going to try to get ahead of the others or dominate the others even in a system like that. If we put too much power in the halls of govt there’s always the strong possibility it goes corrupt on us and some Boss Tweed type arises to engorge himself on the public tit and smash anyone who questions his authority. But I think it’s not necessarily correct to think govt is always going to turn out that way just because it has before. Think Bloomberg is as bad as Boss Tweed? I bet his budget is bigger, even adjusted for inflation. The trick is learning something from history, and applying it. Putting checks and controls in place.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

“Money can’t buy happiness, but it can rent it.”

Only if you’re emotionally bankrupt.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

“Because sane emotionally healthy people realize success is more than how much money you make. ”

Not even. I mean, sure the thought of building something up and deriving satisfaction from that is valid, but, if you have more money you have more money. I suppose if the tax tables were as progressive as Dan wants them to be, the rich would hit a point of diminishing return on their effort after the first billion and maybe decide not to go for the next billion, but even then, dubious. They’d just find some way to build their wealth without extracting it as taxable money.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

“So how does the thought of paying more taxes than i do now de-motivate me to think of a way to make more money?”

Someone who is taxed heavily in the U.S. might want to move their operations overseas. Even businesses in the tax hostile state of Minnesota are packing up and moving to places like South Dakota.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

“Now this is one of the better points tiny has made in a while. not a great point, but better.”

I remember hearing once that the best govt. job say 100 – 150 years ago, back in ‘dem days, was the post that controlled the Port Of New York.

Something about being in control of imports and exports from Europe. Bribe city…

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

“Religion has nothing to do with why some people oppose gay marriage. It’s simply that the thought of what gay couple do with each other in the bedroom makes them uncomfortable”

So they use religion as an excuse?

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

“Someone who is taxed heavily in the U.S. might want to move their operations overseas.”

Hmmm Hmmm Yeah, sure.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

“I suppose if the tax tables were as progressive as Dan wants them to be, the rich would hit a point of diminishing return on their effort after the first billion and maybe decide not to go for the next billion, but even then, dubious.”

How much satisfaction do billionaire buisness people get out of besting the competition? At a certain point money becomes less of a motivator or a metric in quantifying success.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

Ive read that most people when asked, would rather make more than their piers in a job category than be promoted, make more in the new job but be at the bottom of the new pay scale for that job.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

“Someone who is taxed heavily in the U.S. might want to move their operations overseas. Even businesses in the tax hostile state of Minnesota are packing up and moving to places like South Dakota.”

But if their income remains the same then it wouldn’t have any effect on their personal income tax which is what you began your point with.

Even I know the difference D2 ..

Downtown Dan says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Someone who is taxed heavily in the U.S. might want to move their operations overseas.

Why bother when all they need to do is call themselves a corp and move their mailing address to a Cayman mailbox?

Though it’s instructive to learn what you would do if you had the money.

Nope, definitely not a patriot.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

It may not happen in our lifetime, but at some point wages WILL equalize globally (wouldn’t be surprised if taxes do, too) and the going overseas thing won’t look as attractive.

Some businesses can’t go overseas, either. You can’t pick up a McDonald’s in Peoria and move it to Indonesia and still sell hamgurgers in Peoria.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

In any case, the liberal myth that raising taxes in a recession is a good idea is wrong. As I pointed out, even Sweden is lowering taxes to stimulate the economy and help with job creation. Someone should pass that on to Obama and the democrat soci@list party.

Also, Comrade Obama plans on allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, which is equivalent to a tax increase.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

How can that happen. Gays can’t reproduce.

Is there some physiological difference between gay people and straight people that I’m not aware of?

Roy Blount Jr. is a hoot and a half.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

“How much satisfaction do billionaire buisness people get out of besting the competition? At a certain point money becomes less of a motivator or a metric in quantifying success.”

I’ve always figured Bill Gates would be a total psycho playing Monopoly with his kids.

“Aw, Dad, do we have to play that again? You always wind up owning everything on the board and strutting around saying IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE!”

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

“As I pointed out, even Sweden is lowering taxes to stimulate the economy and help with job creation. Someone should pass that on to Obama and the democrat soci@list party.”

I think they did lower taxes D2.

And by the way ..

you’re still unpatriotic.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

“Is there some physiological difference between gay people and straight people that I’m not aware of?”

You need a Man and a Woman to reproduce Sarge. Please give me even ONE example of a man getting another man pregnant.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

2Dim – I read your link — did you? I’m thinking not because aside from the title of that article, it didn’t say anyting about “destroying capitalism”.

It did mention the prospect of raising taxes on business and large sections of the middle class – even if you take the article at face value, there’s nothing there about “dismantling capitalism.”

More outrageous B.S. from the right.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

“I think they did lower taxes D2.”

Greg, liberals don’t lower taxes, it’s against their religion.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

You need a Man and a Woman to reproduce Sarge. Please give me even ONE example of a man getting another man pregnant.

There are millions of gay men and women who have children.

You have a 3rd grade understanding of human sexuality 2Dim.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

“There are millions of gay men and women who have children.”

You mean they are gay only part time?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

“More outrageous B.S. from the right. ”

I don’t think it’s fair to label anyone to the right of moderate as being in the group of wacko’s. Not everyone that is right of center subscribes to the extremist views of D2 and those like him.

The same issue happens on the left.

Just me, but I think there’s alot of folks who are moderate and have leanings to the right or the left depending on the subject.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

“I think there’s alot of folks who are moderate”

That wouldn’t include you Greg.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

“You mean they are gay only part time? ”

No, they adopt…

mostly from kids who’s extremist parents booted them out when they got knocked up …

or from countries where the parents couldn’t afford to feed their kids.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Greg, liberals don’t lower taxes, it’s against their religion.

Yeah Greg. The $300 billion in tax cuts in the stimulus bill is just a figment of your imagination.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

“That wouldn’t include you Greg. ”

As stated previously….

you consider anyone to the left of you as liberal.

Which makes it even more clear that you’re not a patriot.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

…or they have artifical insemination. Or a surrogate mother…or they’re bisexual…or they have children from a previous relationship with a member of the opposite sex…or they didn’t realize they were gay until later in life.

I can tell you that as a dad and a stepfather, the genetic portion of parenthood is by far the least significant.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

“$300 billion in tax cuts”

Mainly for people who pay no taxes.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

“Aw, Dad, do we have to play that again? You always wind up owning everything on the board and strutting around saying IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE!”

“It’s not a question of enough, pal. It’s a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses.”

-Gordon Gekko

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

“I think there’s alot of folks who are moderate and have leanings to the right or the left depending on the subject”

That would be the “Silent Majority” I’ve heard tell of.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

“or they didn’t realize they were gay until later in life”

It must happen all the time. A guy wakes up one morning with a craving for Show Tunes and tells his wife, “You know what?, I think I’m gay!”

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

“Mainly for people who pay no taxes.”

All those people who dont consume anything.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

“That would be the “Silent Majority” I’ve heard tell of. ”

I’m thinking we need to speak up more.

There’s too many of the unpatriotic D2′s opening their pie holes and getting all the attention.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

“Silent Majority”

They’re not so silent any more. People are really starting to speak out against Obama’s soci@list vision for his ObamaNation.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

“It must happen all the time. A guy wakes up one morning with a craving for Show Tunes and tells his wife, “You know what?, I think I’m gay!” ”

Is that how it happened with you D2?

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

“There’s too many of the unpatriotic D2’s opening their pie holes and getting all the attention”

Yup. It’s called “wag the dog”, and America has a real bad case of it right now.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

“All those people who dont consume anything.”

OK then,

“Mainly for people who pay no INCOME taxes.”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

The left is certainly well represented on this blog today.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

“Mainly for people who pay no INCOME taxes.”

Like the super rich who make their income from capital gains.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

“The left is certainly well represented on this blog today. ”

As it’s been said previously ..

anyone who’s to the right of you is considered left ..

only by you D2.

How unpatriotic.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

“They’re not so silent any more”

This is true. The nation voted for a change of course in ’08, but most people HATE change. One step forward and two steps back.
This isn’t what Greg is talking about, though. There’s lotsa people in this country that don’t vote. They are silent because they feel they their vote doesn’t matter. The noise machines on either end of the spectrum drown out the middle. The extremist determine the national discourse. And the media enables this situation to profit from it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

“There’s lotsa people in this country that don’t vote”

Every rapper, pimp, and ho did though. Guess for whom?

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

You mean they are gay only part time?

When you were out cutting firewood you didn’t, by any chance, happen to be sitting on the same branch that you sawed off the tree?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

” And the media enables this situation to profit from it. ”

Exactly.

What’s worse, is there are people who actually fall for the crap that’s coming out of the box or the mass emails ..

case in point ..

D2.

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

This just in: Ahmadinejad confirms that Obama is a big, wet, dripping pvssy.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

“When you were out cutting firewood you didn’t, by any chance, happen to be sitting on the same branch that you sawed off the tree?”

Is that how you do it in Florida Vomit?

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

“Every rapper, pimp, and ho did though”

Actually, the less income you make, the greater the possibilty that you didn’t vote, but I realize you’re not interested in demographics, d2.

Which is yet another reason you are not a patriot.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

“Every rapper, pimp, and ho did though. Guess for whom? ”

Unpatriotic and prejudice ..

imagine that.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

Thanks for joining in O.T.! I’ve been severely out numbered by the libs.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

Is that how you do it in Florida Vomit?

Me? I let the hired help do it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

““Every rapper, pimp, and ho did though. Guess for whom? ”
Unpatriotic and prejudice .. ”

Enjoy this endorsement of Obama by the rap community!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c9DuavThNI

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

It must happen all the time. A guy wakes up one morning with a craving for Show Tunes and tells his wife, “You know what?, I think I’m gay!”

You have a 3rd grader’s understanding of human sexuality 2Dim.

…and the voting public as well. Face it – a majority of voters wanted Obama to be president – and the majority of them were moderates.

When you write that stuff, it makes people think you’re too dumb to criticize Obama’s policies on their merits. Are you?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

“When you were out cutting firewood you didn’t, by any chance, happen to be sitting on the same branch that you sawed off the tree? ”

I’m guessing he did.

It only makes sense since this is pretty much how it works for D2 ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clPYfaTvHT0

an unpatriotic lumberjack in denial.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

“This just in: Ahmadinejad confirms that Obama is a big, wet, dripping pvssy”

There’s the OT that I know from these pages. While I kinda liked the alien that posted in your body yesterday, I am glad to see you managed to kick ‘em out. I hate to see people suffer.

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

The greatest generation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiTc2iNrHrk&feature=player_embedded#t=39

If it was a teen nearby instead, they would have been too busy taking cell phone video and texting to help. One other thing- what should a parent expect when they name their boy “Sinister”? CEO, doctor?????

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

“Me? I let the hired help do it.”

Well excuse me!

How many cords of firewood do you go through per year in Florida anyway?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

“This just in: Ahmadinejad confirms that Obama is a big, wet, dripping pvssy. ”

You consider his opinion valid?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

“a majority of voters wanted Obama to be president”

Monty is right that a lot of people sat this one out with no real good choices available, while ACORN was busy recruiting every illegal and multiple vote they could get their hands on.

Hopefully America won’t make that a mistake like that again.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

O.D. needs to start reading something other than Drudge. We’ve known about this plant for a long time.

…and I can’t figure out if this is O.D. or 2Dim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCvkatCGNFY

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

“You consider his opinion valid?”

Lybian dictator Muammar el-Qaddafi loves Obama enough to call him his “son”

http://www.thefoxnation.com/international/2009/09/23/qaddafi-calls-obama-our-son

Obama is loved by murderous dictators around the world for some reason. What an honor!

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

“You consider his opinion valid?”

OT desperatly needs Iminadinnerjacket’s approval.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

“Monty is right that a lot of people sat this one out with no real good choices available, while ACORN was busy recruiting every illegal and multiple vote they could get their hands on.”

Three points:

1) That’s not what I said. You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills, d2. I said people don’t vote because they think their vote doesn’t matter. However, you raise another possibility, that people didn’t vote because they didn’t like the choices available.
2)ACORN has been accused of many things, but there have been no verified instances of voter fraud. If there ever is one, I’m sure we’ll hear all about it-’til then, it’s just another strawman that you keep dragging into the discussion.
3)Obama won fair and square, d2. Get over it.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

How many cords of firewood do you go through per year in Florida anyway?

None, but the help needs something to do.

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

Nice video, I watched about 3 seconds of it. Maybe you should watch the video I posted above of the informed Obama voters being asked very simple candidate questions and failing miserably.

I wonder if Obama’s limp-dick*d, non-binding resolution he touted (and the msm marveled at) at the conference will protect us from the forming mushroom clouds in the future?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

Here’s a utube for ya SgtLiberalton!

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
-Benjamin Franklin

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

“None, but the help needs something to do.”

That’s mighty white of you Vomit.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

“protect us from the forming mushroom clouds in the future?”

Oh, yeah, like Iran is going to nuke anybody. Not even Ahmadinejad is that stupid.

D2, and the other hand…

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

“Monty is right that a lot of people sat this one out with no real good choices available”

So many people sat out that the election broke records for number of votes cast.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

“Monty is right that a lot of people sat this one out with no real good choices available”

So many people sat out that the election broke the record for number of votes cast.

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

yeah, they wouldn’t think of bombing Israel. Yeah, and Obama would definitely try to stop them if they did. Yeah. He would probably help them do it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

“Not even Ahmadinejad is that stupid”

Adolph Ahmadinejad is an idiot, probably the product of inbreeding like Saddam Hussein’s lunatic sons.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

“So many people sat out that the election broke the record for number of votes cast.”

ACORN’s presence at the polls was very impressive Deac!

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

“yeah, they wouldn’t think of bombing Israel”

Oh, they might think of it, but they’d never do it. ‘Cause they know they’d get nuked right back-by Israel. It’s the same thing that kept the US and Soviet Russia from exchanging nukes at any point during the cold war, only on a much smaller scale.
Get real, OT.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Turn that frown upside down OT.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

“Cause they know they’d get nuked”

Do they care though Monty? You’re talking about a culture which not only has no trouble with homocide bombings, but they actually strap explosives on their own children turning them into human bombs to destroy innocent lives.

It doesn’t get much more evil that that Monty.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

“You’re talking about a culture which not only has no trouble with homocide bombings”

Operation rolling thunder.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

“Adolph Ahmadinejad is an idiot, probably the product of inbreeding like Saddam Hussein’s lunatic sons. ”

or those folks up in the Northern reaches of the 6th district…

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

“It doesn’t get much more evil that that Monty”

Right. Ronnie called the USSR the “evil empire” back in the cold war. All our perceived enemies are evil, d2. In terms of evilness, I’d place Ahmadinejad up there on the scale, but not the Iranian people. THEY are starting to wake up.
Also, even Ahmadinejad doesn’t want to die, has a family he cares about, and knows that the moment he signs off on nuking Israel, he has signed his own death warrent. It’s a given that Israel would nuke back.
Finally, what about all the palestinians in Israel? Think he wants to nuke them too?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

I have some modicum of faith that Israel or the US, working separately or together, know where the Iranian nuke facilities are and will make them go kablewey before Iran actually has the bomb and without waging all-out war on the Iranian people. I may be wrong but that’s what I see in the cards. Call me an optimist.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

“I may be wrong but that’s what I see in the cards. Call me an optimist.”

I see the US blowing up Iranian nuke facilities as the precursor to a land invasion and all out conventional war with Iran and another occupation. Call me a realist.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

“know where the Iranian nuke facilities are and will make them go kablewey”

Ya, Israel has done that before. To be honest, I’ll bet Iran has learned from that experience and de-centralized their nuke program as much as possible. We can’t stop Iran from building a nuke. The technology and know-how is out there, and they have the dough to purchase it. As long as the threat of retaliation exists, I don’t fear one nation nuking another.
Now terrorists setting off a nuke somewhere is another story…..

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

I didn’t know that Israel was our ally anymore with the anti-Jew Obama?

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

I didn’t know that Israel was our ally anymore with the anti-Jew Obama?

Oh God, spare me, please.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

“Now terrorists setting off a nuke somewhere is another story…..”

And Iran or Pakistan wouldnt allow this to happen because……

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

“Oh God, spare me, please.”

I believe Obama will publically be as anti-Jew as he can get away with.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

“I didn’t know that Israel was our ally anymore with the anti-Jew Obama?”

Idiot.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

“I’d place Ahmadinejad up there on the scale, but not the Iranian people”

I’ll agree with you there. The recent Iranian election was a phoney as the Coleman/Franken “recount”.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

I didn’t know that Israel was our ally anymore with the anti-Jew Obama?

Thanks O.D. for proving definitively that you know nothing about foreign policy.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

“Idiot. ”

I’d have to go along with that.

you’ve gotta wonder if unpatriotic D2 is his brother …

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

“And Iran or Pakistan wouldnt allow this to happen because……”

……..of the consequences if something they sponsored getting traced back to them. Think Pakistan hasn’t wanted to nuke India? Again, I don’t think a nation would launch or sponsor a nuclear attack. A terrorist organization, like Al-Quada for instance, is a different story. I mean, we can’t even find bin Laden after 8 years. Tough to use the threat of accountibility if there is none…..

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

“I see the US blowing up Iranian nuke facilities as the precursor to a land invasion and all out conventional war with Iran and another occupation. ”

Huh? We all know Bush/Cheney had a boner to do that, but I don’t see that now. I think the Iranians are going to oust the crazies at the top on their own.

anti-Jew Obama?

Wha?

Dare2 and OT have reached a new level of nuttiness there.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

“I’ll agree with you there. The recent Iranian election was a phoney as the Coleman/Franken “recount”. ”

Unpatriotic moron ..

Beat ya Mark.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

“A terrorist organization, like Al-Quada for instance, is a different story. I mean, we can’t even find bin Laden after 8 years. Tough to use the threat of accountibility if there is none…..”

If Pakistan falls, forget about it. All bets are off.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

I believe Obama will publically be as anti-Jew as he can get away with.

Examples?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

“Dare2 and OT have reached a new level of nuttiness there.”

They’re having a contest to see who can get to the funny farm first ..

my money is on a tie.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

“Huh?”

I mean if the US DID do that, it’d be another war and occupation. Iran would retaliate provoking a response.

You’re saying you can blow up the nukes without an all out war right? Im saying you cant have it both ways. If you blow up the nukes, you get the all out war. Its a package deal.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

“I’ll agree with you there. The recent Iranian election was a phoney as the Coleman/Franken “recount”.”

Or the Florida ballot count in 2000, depending on your flavor of political fanaticism.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

Dare2 and OT have reached a new level of nuttiness there.

Jimmy Carter never dropped a turd infused with that level of nuttiness.

But, seeing that right wing radio is fond of labeling Carter an anti-semite, it’s not a big surprise.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

“But, seeing that right wing radio is fond of labeling Carter an anti-semite, it’s not a big surprise.”

Isreal and Egypt have never once broken the peace treaty Carter brokered once by the way in 30 years.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

“labeling Carter an anti-semite”

Carter is an anti-Semite who sides with terrorists who strap bombs on their children.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

“Carter is an anti-Semite who sides with terrorists who strap bombs on their children”

And like most people Im sure you read his book.

Idiot.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

And Monty, I’m glad you’re so comfortable knowing that Iran would NEVER let one of their nuclear weapons slip into the hands of Jew/American hating terrorists.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

“And like most people Im sure you read his book”

I wouldn’t wipe my @ss with that liberal trash.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

D2 is convinced that if he can manage to drink an entire case of bud in 3 hours he’ll be a patriot ….

anyone want to correct him?

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

“And Monty, I’m glad you’re so comfortable knowing that Iran would NEVER let one of their nuclear weapons slip into the hands of Jew/American hating terrorists.”

Well, when you grow up, d2, you’ll quit being afraid of the dark and fearing things you don’t understand too.

You may even become a patriot someday.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

“I wouldn’t wipe my @ss with that liberal trash.”

But you know enough about what’s in the book to call him an anti-semite.

Idiot.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

“I wouldn’t wipe my @ss with that liberal trash.”

Translation: the book is beyond his vocabulary level.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

“Well, when you grow up, d2, you’ll quit being afraid of the dark and fearing things you don’t understand too.”

Monty, I understand the the threats we are facing, too bad the liberals in charge don’t.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

“You’re saying you can blow up the nukes without an all out war right? ”

You’re probably too young to remember this Deac (I’m only barely old enough), but Saddam Hussein, early in his career as a dictator, actually did have a nuke plant running and was trying to make bomb-grade plutonium with it. Israel flew jets into his airspace one day and blew it up. It did not result in all-out war.

Paskistan hasn’t declared all-out war on us for the drone-fired missiles that occaisionally smoke someone within their borders, either.

Best way is if the nuke plantsjust blow up one day, some balck helicopters fly off into the sunset and no one takes credit or gloats about it.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

“Translation: the book is beyond his vocabulary level.”

No Greg, I just think Jimmy Carter is an idiot. One thing I respect about him though is that while screwing up America, he really thought he was doing the right thing. Obama on the other hand is destroying America on purpose.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

“Monty, I understand the the threats we are facing”

Translation: I’m afraid!!!!!

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

“Monty, I understand the the threats we are facing, too bad the liberals in charge don’t. ”

You’re saying you’re more intelligent? And that you’re far better informed of all the current threats?

Where were you trained?

See, I’m not sure you know more than them D2…

in fact, I’m positive you don’t.

Lastly, you’re not a patriot…

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

“Best way is if the nuke plantsjust blow up one day, some balck helicopters fly off into the sunset and no one takes credit or gloats about it.”

Thats a gamble. I dont see it happening that way. I mean come on, 2012 is less than 3 years away.

“Israel flew jets into his airspace one day and blew it up. It did not result in all-out war.”

Different world today. I could easily see Iran starting a war if we blew up their nuclear reactors. One thing most Iranians agree on is they have a right to nuclear power.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

“Monty, I understand the the threats we are facing, too bad the liberals in charge don’t.”

A guy chopping wood in Big Lake, the world leading authority on security threats.

Do you use your right or left hand when you chop wood?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

“No Greg, I just think Jimmy Carter is an idiot.”

It’s well documented that you don’t think .. therefore, you’re more likely to be the idiot.

” Obama on the other hand is destroying America on purpose.”

How is he destroying it?

Also, you’re not a patriot.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

Liberal Greg says:

“You’re saying you’re more intelligent? And that you’re far better informed of all the current threats?”
***************************************
“Seven former heads of the CIA wrote President Obama on Friday to ask him to end an investigation launched by former Attorney General Eric Holder into the actions of CIA interrogators who used “enhanced” techniques to question terror detainees.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/18/raw-data-letter-cia-directors-president-obama/

These guys each have MUCH more knowledge and concern about current threats than Obama could ever dream of.

Face it. The wrong guy is occupying the White House.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

DAR, maybe the reason Iraq didn’t go to war with Israel when they blew up their reactor was because they were already in a death slog with Iran at the time?

Perhaps if Iraq hadn’t been engaged already a the time of the Israeli attack, they’d have retaliated? Iran isn’t engaged in a war right now. I think that’s a major variable don’t you?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

“Do you use your right or left hand when you chop wood? ”

It might have something to do with his high heels being to tight…

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

“Face it.”

Face it, you lost.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“Different world today. I could easily see Iran starting a war if we blew up their nuclear reactors.”

I think we would be starting the war if we bombed Irans nuclear reactors.

P.S.
“Do you use your right or left hand when you chop wood? ”

Fricken classic. HA

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“I mean come on, 2012 is less than 3 years away.”

My Mayan calender says its time to go home.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

Carter is an anti-Semite

The question you really need to ask yourself is why do I, a Jew whose family escaped anti-semitism in Europe, who has studied the Holocaust with a deep interest in seeing its true history preserved to the last detail, thinks you’re either crazy or an idiot for labeling both Carter and Obama anti-semites.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“A guy chopping wood in Big Lake, the world leading authority on security threats.
Do you use your right or left hand when you chop wood?”

Even Greg will tell you how stupid you sound Deacon Blew! I guess a product of wealth and privelege like you wouldn’t know anything about physical work anyway, much like Vomit who has his servants prepare his cords of wood for him.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

“These guys each have MUCH more knowledge and concern about current threats than Obama could ever dream of.”

Yep, former ..

they’re all up on everything right?

You moron, did you ever consider they don’t want him to move forward because they don’t want to be part of it?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

“Do you use your right or left hand when you chop wood? ”

Would it really help your fantacy to know that, Deacon Blew?

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

“I guess a product of wealth and privelege like you wouldn’t know anything about physical work anyway”

Guess how I got through College? Working construction and painting houses. My parents came from a farm and an iron mine and I’ve learned the leasons of manual labor. Thats why I became a banker, to use my mind.

You on the other hand dont have that option. You were born only with hands and no mind.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

“Yep, former ..”

Like Carter opening up his yap.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

“Do you use your right or left hand when you chop wood?””

Apprently this joke went right over your head.

monty says:

September 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

“The question you really need to ask yourself is why do I, a Jew whose family escaped anti-semitism in Europe, who has studied the Holocaust with a deep interest in seeing its true history preserved to the last detail, thinks you’re either crazy or an idiot for labeling both Carter and Obama anti-semites”

D2? I suppose you’re going to lecture a Jew on anti-Semitism?

Greg and Deacon are right. You ARE a moron.
And you’re not a patriot.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

“Working construction and painting houses. My parents came from a farm and an iron mine”

You must have lied then about you’re Mom’s golf lessons at your Country Club.

להקיא says:

September 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

much like Vomit who has his servants prepare his cords of wood for him.

They’re actually up in Alaska right now, clubbing baby seals to keep my wiping staff well stocked with fresh fur.

As Yoda would say, “I sense much Budweiser in you, young Jedi”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

“D2? I suppose you’re going to lecture a Jew on anti-Semitism?”

Monty, as I said before, I have two Jewish cousins who are sisters, one who is very liberal and lives in St. Louis, the other lives in Israel. My cousin in Israel is a psychologist who has had the job of interviewing Islamic terrorists in the prisons in Israel, and she does NOT share the same liberal views as her sister.

Who’s views would you take more seriously Monty?, a psychologist working with the Israeli military having first hand experience with Islamic terror and anti-Semitism, or a liberal St. Louis housewife living in a ritzy Deacon Blew type neighborhood?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

“As Yoda would say, “I sense much Budweiser in you, young Jedi””

Ah yes! Thank God it’s Friday.

Can I get you one Vomit?

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

“You must have lied then about you’re Mom’s golf lessons at your Country Club.”

Thats a good one. More like cross stitch by the fire place.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

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Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

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Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

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Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

My daughter is a genius

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

“Thats a good one. More like cross stitch by the fire place.”

No, it was golfing at the Country Club. I think you also said your Dad was playing Badmitten at that time as well at the Club.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

“My daughter is a genius”

Keep it going by not sending her to a failing government run public school Deac. You can afford a private school!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

“Greg and Deacon are right. You ARE a moron.
And you’re not a patriot.”

I think they changed his compensation terms.

He get’s paid by the post now.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

D2 ..

I wouldn’t trust a darn word out of your mouth regarding anti-semitism since it’s very well known you’re a racist.

Whatever concerns you have for Jewish folks must be driven by something other than humanitarian concerns ..

that is your MO.

And no, you’re not a patriot.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

“My daughter is a genius”

Probably a little early for that judgment, but she’s certainly way ahead of a lot of posters (and posers) here.

Lil’ halfbreed mobile yet?

GO lonoscopy says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

I wonder if tiny’s head herpes,…er….injury, has healed yet.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

“And no, you’re not a patriot.”

If I was a paytreerot I would fancy myself a powdered wig kind of guy with one of thoses triangle shaped hats, a long coat with tails, pants to the knees and socks like a baseball uniform. Oh and a ring box with that stuff that makes ya sneeze.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

“since it’s very well known you’re a racist.”

Playing the race card just like liberal poverty pimp Jesse “Himey Town” Jackson. You must be very proud of yourself Greg!.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

“Playing the race card just like liberal poverty pimp Jesse “Himey Town” Jackson. You must be very proud of yourself Greg!. ”

No. Just making an observation.

And no, you’re not a racist ..

you’re a nonpatriotic racist.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

“And no, you’re not a racist ..”

Good observation Liberal Greg!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

Administration Will Cut Border Patrol Deployed on U.S-Mexico Border:

“Even though the Border Patrol now reports that almost 1,300 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border is not under effective control, and the Department of Justice says that vast stretches of the border are “easily breached,” and the Government Accountability Office has revealed that three persons “linked to terrorism” and 530 aliens from “special interest countries” were intercepted at Border Patrol checkpoints last year, the administration is nonetheless now planning to decrease the number of Border Patrol agents deployed on the U.S.-Mexico border.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54514

But yet we can spend millions to preserve Nancy Pelosi’s San Fransicko Salt Harvest Mouse in the massive Porkulus Bill. Is there any question that Obama is out to destroy this country?

People should be outraged!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

And while I’m not a big fan of expanding government jobs, protecting our borders is one of the REAL responsibilities our government has to it’s citizens, not creating a cradle to grave welfare state.

Obama has it all back @sswards.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

“Good observation Liberal Greg! ”

That you’re a nonpatriotic racist?

Yep .. that is a good observation but I’m pretty sure I’m not alone in that one.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

“That you’re a nonpatriotic racist?”

You lie like a rug liberal Greg!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

“If I was a paytreerot”

I’d fancy myself more a Davy Crockett kind of “paytreerot”.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

“You lie like a rug liberal Greg! ”

Nah.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

“I’d fancy myself more a Davy Crockett kind of “paytreerot”.”

My wife and I visited the Alamo in San Antonio, Texas a couple of years ago. It was amazing, and those guys were TRUE Patriots.

Remember the Alamo!

Tiny bulbs says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

“I wonder if tiny’s head herpes,…er….injury, has healed yet.”

Greg the 12 dollar barber said she’s healing fine.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

“paytreerot”

Where is Comrade Partisan anyway, or DFL Dora for that matter. We’re stuck with Liberal Greg and SgtLiberalton leading Obama’s soci@list crusade.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

“Where is Comrade Partisan anyway, or DFL Dora for that matter. We’re stuck with Liberal Greg and SgtLiberalton leading Obama’s soci@list crusade. ”

And D2 leading the charge of the unpatriotic morons …

Tiny bulbs says:

September 25th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

“Ahmadinejad has enough uranium to go whole way”

Looks from Obamas face he might be taking this personally. Reality baby. They kept working behind everybody’s back he kept sending “positive” signals.

Lets get too and get it over with. Six months and everything’s back to normal. The Arabs want this thing to happen so I’m not buying this repercussions thing either. Leave them with nothing to repercussions with.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

“Greg the 12 dollar barber said she’s healing fine.”

Good move. Much cheaper than a co-pay.

Dora says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

Try another theory OT.

Jerry Weaver of Fairfield, Ohio, told The Associated Press on Friday that he was among a group of relatives who discovered the body of 51-year-old Bill Sparkman on Sept. 12.

“The only thing he had on was a pair of socks,” Weaver said. “And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something.

“And they even had duct tape around his neck. And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder.”

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

“No Greg, I just think Jimmy Carter is an idiot.”

You can think whatever you want, but Carter was the captain of a nuclear submarine.

They don’t let any old idiot run one of those.

You, Dare2 my friend, could probably not even pass the psych screen, much less the physics test.

And that’s to be the enlisted guy who pumps out the toilets.

Jimmy knew how to run the reactor.

I could just see the Sub captain looking at the test results and shaking his head, saying,

“Lord have mercy.
Poor little guy might THINK he’s a patriot, but no way we can go 20,000 leagues under the sea for 90 days with the likes of him.

Lord have mercy.

We’d all be sleeping with one hand over our cornholes.”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

Greg,

On a scale of Patriotism: 1 to 10 (1 being Fidel Castro, Louis “Hitler was a very good man” Farakkhan, Barack Hussein Obama, and 10 being our Founding Fathers, Ronald Reagan, and Davey Crockett), I would say that I’m about 8 points higher than you.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

“You can think whatever you want, but Carter was the captain of a nuclear submarine.”

Oh yah? Homer Simpson ran a nuclear power plant!

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

““Lord have mercy.
Poor little guy might THINK he’s a patriot, but no way we can go 20,000 leagues under the sea for 90 days with the likes of him.

Lord have mercy.

We’d all be sleeping with one hand over our cornholes.”

DAR ..

you ARE a patriot.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

“Perhaps if Iraq hadn’t been engaged already a the time of the Israeli attack, they’d have retaliated? Iran isn’t engaged in a war right now. I think that’s a major variable don’t you?’

Yah, shoor you betchya.

Except, well,
Iran is kind of engaged in the streets with its own people. That’s a variable too. Ahmadinejad holds his position by an elctoral outcome that would make Katherine Harris blush.
Radical Islam was fashionable among students in the 70′s and a sort of generation gap put the ayatollahs in power and now a new generation gap is weakening their grip. Sure yeah, it’d be a gamble to blow their plants, might galvanize nationalist sentiment whatever but letting them actually build a nuke while the kooks are still in power seems like a big big gamble too. I’m feelin’ lucky. Let’s make something go boom, but otherwise respect the sanctity of their borders.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

“Looks from Obamas face he might be taking this personally. Reality baby. They kept working behind everybody’s back he kept sending “positive” signals.”

I think he’s realizing his job is much harder than he thought it would be. The next 6 months are going to be interesting.

“Lets get too and get it over with. Six months and everything’s back to normal.”

Sanctions might work, though they rarely do, because Iranians are about ready to tip as it is. A strike might just fuel the nationalism Amadinnerjacket would love to stoke.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

“Greg,

On a scale of Patriotism: 1 to 10 (1 being Fidel Castro, Louis “Hitler was a very good man” Farakkhan, Barack Hussein Obama, and 10 being our Founding Fathers, Ronald Reagan, and Davey Crockett), I would say that I’m about 8 points higher than you. ”

Nah.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

“Oh yah? Homer Simpson ran a nuclear power plant! ”

I’ve always wondered who your role model was D2 ..

now we all know.

No wonder you’re not a patriot.

O.T. says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

a new wrinkle in the census guy death:

Although anti-government sentiment was one possibility, some in law enforcement also cited the prevalence of drug activity in the area – including meth labs and marijuana fields – although they had no reason to believe there was a link to Sparkman’s death.

“Now they’re taking their meth lab operations into the rural, secluded areas,” Clay County Sheriff Kevin Johnson said. “We’ve had complaints in the area, but not that particular location.”

On one day last week, law enforcement in the county rounded up 40 drug suspects, most of them traffickers, Johnson said.

Dee Davis, president of the Center for Rural Strategies in nearby Whitesburg, said the federal government has done “precious little” in Clay County other than building a federal prison in Manchester in the 1990s. But he is not aware of any deep-seated hatred of the government.

“Government is not seen as the enemy, except for people who might fear getting caught for what they’re doing,” he said.

less than a week after 40 druggers are arrested in a sting, the guy is hanging out there? No pun intended.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

“but no way we can go 20,000 leagues under the sea for 90 days with the likes of him.”

No wonder the Navy discourages men who find other men sexually attractive from being couped up on a submarine for months at a time. What was it like for you Greg?

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

“I think he’s realizing his job is much harder than he thought it would be. The next 6 months are going to be interesting.”

I’m glad someone else saw it that way.

I deon’t remember alot, but the look on his face was just that …

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

“I deon’t remember alot”

At least you remember that you’re a liberal. That’s all that really matters Greg.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

“No wonder the Navy discourages men who find other men sexually attractive from being couped up on a submarine for months at a time. What was it like for you Greg? ”

Never had the opportunity to do sub work, but I’d guess that if you’d been patriotic enough to serve in our military ..

you’d never be allowed on a sub…

heck ..

you’d never get past day 2 of basic…

your unpatriotic demeanor would get you botted.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

Greg, I’m not at liberty to discuss the work I do to help our country.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

“I deon’t remember alot, but the look on his face was just that …”

I’m thinking it all came a little to easy for him.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

“you’d never get past day 2 of basic…”

Damn right! Not at my age.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

“Greg, I’m not at liberty to discuss the work I do to help our country. ”

Uh huh ..

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

“I’m thinking it all came a little to easy for him. ”

I was thinking more like unrealistic expectations …

and now he’s gotta deal with it.

I’m hoping his brain over rides him from having an ego trip.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

“Damn right! Not at my age. ”

More like not at any age ..

adlib says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

“Could it be that sarge, dora and the gang are up in arms over a guy doing the ol’ autoerotic masturbating?”

O.T.’s so quick to write the senselsess census slaying* up as a homoerotic suicide or death by misadventure you’d think it was the death of a prisoner jailed in his own jurisdiction. I don’t know where he supervises other cops but I sure hope its not in my town.

In all fairness however the top two websearch stories about it are almost pure political spin from both extremes. FBI involvement hinges upon IF it can be proven his census job was probable cause. Who decides that? Local constabulary? (Wait a minute,It now looks like the Washington Post story now outranks Huffington and Malkin.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/25/AR2009092503046.html?hpid=moreheadlines

This one incredibly could be destined for the cold case file right out of the chute. Meanwhile St Paul detective Anita Muldoon explains on Channel 2′s “Almanac” how the DNA evidence plus fingerprint from a more recent crime nabbed the perpetrator of a decades old mutilation killing of a gay victim.

*’Blame the victim’explanations aside I believe Bill Sparkman’s death was a homicide even if the motive was other than political.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

“Greg, I’m not at liberty to discuss the work I do to help our country.

That’s because you don’t understand your job description.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

Mr. Vomit,

What part of Florida do you live in anyway. I’m thinking of heading to the Ft. Myers area (never been there) for a few days this winter, and was wondering if you had any suggestions. I just want some place warm and be able to lay in the sun by the pool or beach.

Any good deals on hotels? I know you Jews are good at that kind of stuff.

(Just kidding Vomit!, as you know, I love the Jewish people).

Thanks!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

“I was thinking more like unrealistic expectations …

and now he’s gotta deal with it.”

That’s what I mean. He expected it to go like everything else he’d done in the last 20 years.

But he’s on a different stage now. It’s not as easy.

I’m hoping his brain over rides him from having an ego trip.”

That’s what’s going to make the next 6 months interesting.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

“That’s because you don’t understand your job description.”

I understand yours Greg.

1) Spray cleaner/disinfectant into bowl
2) Brush rigorously
3) Flush as needed

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

“I understand yours Greg.

1) Spray cleaner/disinfectant into bowl
2) Brush rigorously
3) Flush as needed ”

Nah.

But you sure do have those steps down well.

Gotta wonder why that is …

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

“But you sure do have those steps down well.”

Just common sense Greg, but I’m glad to see someone besides illegal aliens and third world immigrants taking on the job of public toilet maintenance.

Bravo Greg!

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

“Lil’ halfbreed mobile yet?”

She can roll all the way over from her back onto her stomach now. She’s been doing that about 2 weeks or so.

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

“Just common sense Greg, but I’m glad to see someone besides illegal aliens and third world immigrants taking on the job of public toilet maintenance. ”

It’s good to give yourself a pat on the back D2. Keep it up ..

someday you’ll be able to think for yourself ..

and maybe a bit less unpatriotic…

adlib says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

“My wife and I visited the Alamo in San Antonio, Texas a couple of years ago. It was amazing, and those guys were TRUE Patriots.

Remember the Alamo!”

Remember the Alamo?

Yes I do. As a kid I was so impressed with the hagiography of the whole thing I took a small chunk of mortar from somewhere in the walls. It turned to dust in my pocket. The place probably gets tuckpointed anually now by the Chamber of Commerce.

Would you ever let yourself end up in n such a situation D2? Didn’t think so. but I always liked the Davy Crockett philosophy: “be sure you’re right,then go ahead.”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

“She can roll all the way over from her back onto her stomach now. She’s been doing that about 2 weeks or so.”

Sounds great Deac.

Life is so short. I just learned that my wife’s grandmother passed away a couple of hours ago. She had a good life, but it’s still hard on my wife. Looks like we’ll be heading to South Dakota next week for her funeral.

I guess it was her time to go.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

“Would you ever let yourself end up in n such a situation D2?”

If I were Davey Crockett, I would have researched the risk factors on the internet before committing to service at the Alamo adlib.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

“She can roll all the way over from her back onto her stomach now. She’s been doing that about 2 weeks or so.”

Ahhh, the beginning of the end.

Enjoy!!!

Downtown Dan says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

Greg, I’m not at liberty to discuss the work I do to help our country.

But we know that if you make enough money at it, you’re leaving the country.

Not a patriot.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

“But we know that if you make enough money at it, you’re leaving the country.”

I can’t leave the country and continue my line of work D.T.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

“But we know that if you make enough money at it, you’re leaving the country.”

What’s the going rate? Couple of cents a post?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

“Not a patriot.”

Patriot Scale from 1 to 10
*******************************
Comrade Partisian 1

DFL Dora 2

Downtown Dem 2.5

SgtLiberalton 2.5

Liberal Greg 3.0

Greg 63 says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

D2 ..

Sorry to hear of the loss.

We’ll keep you in our thoughts.

SgtPendleton says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

Sorry for your loss.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 25th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

Thanks Greg and Sarge,

Her death really wasn’t a surprise, we’re just happy she had a good long life. I appreciate the comments and I’ll pass them, on to my wife.

Deacon Blues says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

“The only thing he had on was a pair of socks,” Weaver said. “And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something.

“And they even had duct tape around his neck. And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder.”

Sounds like Meth addicts to me.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

“Sounds like Meth addicts to me.”

Meth or Moonshine.

adlib says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Meth or Moonshine.

Or the Jack Daniels militia ?

adlib says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

“3) Flush as needed ”

Flush at least twice. It’s a long way to TP’s campaign HQ.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

“Flush at least twice. It’s a long way to TP’s campaign HQ.”

What do you mean? There’s a septic tank a few blocks away.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

“There’s a septic tank a few blocks away.”

With gold at $990.00.

I bet we could balance the budget, if we sold those horses on the septic tank to the “Gold Guys”

adlib says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

“You can afford a private school!”

There you can learn real Latin. In public school all you learn is pig Latin. Ix nay to that I say.

adlib says:

September 25th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

“RED GREEN’S DUCT TAPE FOREVER”

What do you mean D2? I thought the BSA was aces with you.

At least it’s like someone duct taped MB’s mouth shut on the census issue at least for the moment. That’s a blessing, but I wish it didn’t require the death of a brave man for it to happen.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:20 am

“O.T.’s so quick to write the senselsess census slaying* up as a homoerotic suicide or death by misadventure you’d think it was the death of a prisoner jailed in his own jurisdiction. I don’t know where he supervises other cops but I sure hope its not in my town.”

Thank you for saying that, adlib.

Interesting to see how OT is onto the “Killed by methhead” tip alla sudden.

weird how his first post he admonished everyone not to jump to conclusions. Let the investigation run its course. Good advice. Too bad he didn’t follow it.

But then he pops up again speculating that it was self-inflicted (by this time, I had already floated the death-by-methhead theory, which hopefully I stated clearly enough was speculation).

OT, in the midst of his jousting with Dora, needs to ask himself, what was worse, Dora speculating on a right-wing political motive to serve her political end, or OT speculating that this Boy Scout leader died doing a kinky dangerous wanking ritual (which would serve OT’s political end)?

Now as more info is revealed he’s onto the death-by-methhead thing, without a whisper that maybe he’s slandered a good victim of a heinous crime.

Makes me wonder if I have more intuition into matters criminal than he, even though he is ostensibly a cop. Emphasis on ostensibly.

OT and Dora (forever engaged in my dad can beat up your dad) aside,
the thing that bugs me the most is,

Why was this census worker moving alone through a dangerous place? Surely there must be a better way to collect the data than to send naive law-abiding mild mannered people alone to knock on every door and see what horrors may be on the other side.

O.T. says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:55 am

I have not made a conclusion about his cause of death or who killed, if anyone did. I am merely passing on info as it comes in. I find the story very interesting. One of the best movies ever made was Mississippi Burning, which may have a similarity or may not.

I also find it very odd that he was in this area. They also will not confirm if he was even working. The whole “computer still in his truck” thing turned out to be false. I love a good mystery. I am semi-sorry I don’t work there to work on this one. You could only be so lucky to have me in your area to work.

O.T. says:

September 26th, 2009 at 1:00 am

This reminds me a bit of the dude a couple years back that was killed. Everyone immediately assumed it was because he was a PO, but it turned out he was just back on crack and got mixed up with the wrong people.

The most dangerous thing you can do is pick one motive or subject early and focus on it, leaving everything else on the back burner.

On a good note, it may be near the end of my special assignment soon and I will return to daytime goodness and a normal life again. It was going to be January but may happen sooner. Prost!

Dora says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:27 am

What I speculated is that the hateful rhetoric spewed by the right toward the census and ACORN could be connected to his death.

The authorities are taking great pains not to confirm anything. But it’s leaking out in each successive story.

They interviewed a woman from the area saying he came to her house. So, I’d say it’s pretty safe to say he was working in the area. I haven’t seen any story that denied there was a computer in his truck.

The guy who comes forward and says he found the body says based on what he saw he’s convinced it was murder.

The guy also says something was taped to his neck and now the AP source confirms it was his census ID and that the word “FED” was written on his chest with a felt tip pen.

It’s interesting to watch how anti-government sentiment is being down played as a possible motive by the right. Of course they have to in order to deny that stirring up hate against the government like the right wing kooks are doing could lead to people being murdered.

And I also find it interesting that this meth/marijuana theory is being floated as an alternative as if it’s either anti-government kooks or drug dealers. What makes anybody think that drug dealers couldn’t be anti-government?

Why would the murderer tape his census ID to his neck? For all you hunters out there, isn’t that like “tagging”?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am

“One of the best movies ever made was Mississippi Burning”

Great movie O.T., I agree!

My Dad’s cousin was an FBI agent working on that case, and I’ve heard that Gene Hackman’s role (Agent Anderson) was modeled after him.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:43 am

“A penny saved is a penny taxed.”
-Barack Hussein Obama

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am

“And I also find it interesting that this meth/marijuana theory is being floated as an alternative as if it’s either anti-government kooks or drug dealers. What makes anybody think that drug dealers couldn’t be anti-government?”

I think you’re missing the point Dora. Of course drug dealersa re anti govt. But thats because what they do is illegal, nit because they hate Obama and think he’s a s*c:alist.

If a meth cook killed him, it wasnt a political murder based on red v blue hate. I think, you’ve jumped to a conclusion, which hasnt been proven yet. I think the problem most non partisan moderates have with people like you and other partisans be they conservative or liberal is that you’re ALWAYS jumping to conclusions.

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am

“And I also find it interesting that this meth/marijuana theory is being floated as an alternative as if it’s either anti-government kooks or drug dealers. What makes anybody think that drug dealers couldn’t be anti-government?”

I think you’re missing the point Dora. Of course drug dealers are anti govt. But thats because what they do is illegal, not because they hate Obama and think he’s a s*c:alist.

If a meth cook killed him, it wasnt a political murder based on red v blue hate. I think, you’ve jumped to a conclusion, which hasnt been proven yet. I think the problem most non partisan moderates have with people like you and other partisans be they conservative or liberal is that you’re ALWAYS jumping to conclusions.

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am

“Why was this census worker moving alone through a dangerous place? Surely there must be a better way to collect the data than to send naive law-abiding mild mannered people alone to knock on every door and see what horrors may be on the other side.”

Excellent question DAR.

Downtown Dan says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am

“A penny saved is a penny taxed.”
-Barack Hussein Obama

“Our government isn’t worth a penny of my money.”
- D2, Non-Patriot

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am

“My Dad’s cousin was an FBI agent working on that case, and I’ve heard that Gene Hackman’s role (Agent Anderson) was modeled after him.”

Family legend.

My Dad’s cousin IS Gene Hackman.

Downtown Dan says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:55 am

But thats because what they do is illegal, nit because they hate Obama and think he’s a s*c:alist.

Jumping to the conclusion that these two are mutually exclusive? Not necessarily in those parts.

Dora says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:56 am

no, you’re missing the point Deacon. You’re trying to say that a drug dealer couldn’t also hate Obama and think he’s a socia1ist. It’s not an either/or.

I never said that is what happened, I said it’s possible there’s a connection. Your problem is that you are always down playing the possibilities apparently in an effort to show how moderate you are. haha.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:05 am

“Family legend.”

Maybe so, but my Dad’s cousin Don Anderson was an FBI agent working on that case. This was back in 1964 Deac, and Don passed away a few years ago.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am

“You’re trying to say that a drug dealer couldn’t also hate Obama and think he’s a socia1ist.”

Dora, 99.4% of criminals and thugs LOVE Obama.

Downtown Dan says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am

Dora, 99.4% of criminals and thugs LOVE Obama.

Dora, 99.4% of D2′s statistics are pulled from his ass.

Fixed.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:46 am

Front page Headlines in the Strib Today:

Beaten, Robbed, a victim of Hate!

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/61452677.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsl

What these guys did was terrible, but the strib is playing their games again. If the situation was reversed and blacks attacked a honky, you wouldn’t hear a peep out of the Strib.

It’s also interesting how the liberal media refused to report the incident in which a white kid was severely beaten by a group of blacks who took turns pounding on him during their school bus ride.

Here’s a picture:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/60D37B6EC5FF4711862576320011605B?OpenDocument

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:47 am

“Dora, 99.4% of D2’s statistics are pulled from his ass.”

D.T., 43.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

adlib says:

September 26th, 2009 at 11:25 am

“Here’s a picture:”

Not to minimize the seriousness of the assault, but “severely beaten” conjures up visions of an ICU and life support systems. Otherwise it’s a disengenuous statement

I get the picture. Another kid bravely trying to make his way in the public school of hard knocks. D2 would advise him to switch to private school where there’s no such thing as beatings or even hazing. Wonder if this kid had autism.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 11:34 am

Those darn kids will be kids, right adlib!

adlib says:

September 26th, 2009 at 11:53 am

“Those darn kids will be kids, right adlib!”

Until their 21st birthday.

SgtPendleton says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

My Dad’s cousin IS Gene Hackman.

Yeah? Well, my DAD is Gene Hackman.

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

“Your problem is that you are always down playing the possibilities apparently in an effort to show how moderate you are.”

No Dora. It only appears that way because Im not jumping to any conclusions. Hahaha….

Enjoy your latest conspiracy conservatives and liberals…..

The conspiracy, opiate to the masses.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

Until their 21st birthday.

I always thought it was 18. Go figure….

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

“Yeah? Well, my DAD is Gene Hackman.”

I AM Gene Hackman.

Deacon Blues says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

“Jumping to the conclusion that these two are mutually exclusive?ing to the conclusion that these two are mutually exclusive?”

Dan, Id say the chances this guy was killed by Geln Beck fans is as likely as they were killed by a meth cook with no teeth. 50/50 chance either is the truth.

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

“Dan, Id say the chances this guy was killed by Geln Beck fans is as likely as they were killed by a meth cook with no teeth. 50/50 chance either is the truth.”

If you watch Glen Beck you’re probably a meth head.

That’s my theory.

Glen Beck is not a patriot…

he’s a tool.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

Glen Beck is a great American, just like Sean Hannity.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Well, it’s back to “chopping” wood for me.

Enjoy the nice day everyone!

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

“Glen Beck is a great American, just like Sean Hannity.”

Nah.

They’re morons.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Greg,

Without guys like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, the liberal media would only report the news THEY felt we were worthy of knowing. We never would have known about Obama’s close associations with anti-American leftist radicals and terrorists for example, or how extremely corrupt ACORN is.

SgtPendleton says:

September 26th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

You’re delusional 2Dim.

Glenn Beck is a John Birch Society man — you probably think that’s a good thing though.

Downtown Dan says:

September 26th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

Without guys like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, the liberal media would only report the news THEY felt we were worthy of knowing. We never would have known about Obama’s close associations with anti-American leftist radicals and terrorists for example, or how extremely corrupt ACORN is.

Without guys like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, the liberal media would only report the news.

Fixed.

O.T. says:

September 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

I wonder why the Strib doesn’t give equal coverage to the 3-4 times a week in Mpls alone, that a minority group beats up another minority or caucasian and says racial epithets about them?

This case is definitely wrong, and I know one of the little idiots that did it, but this is pretty big coverage for something unless you want to give all of them equal page space. If his friends are anything like him, they share about an 45 iq between the group.

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

“Without guys like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Kieth Olberman, Chris Matthews, etc. the media would only report the news.”

I think the majority of people would be happy with this.

The only ones that wouldn’t are those that are extremists.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

“but this is pretty big coverage for something unless you want to give all of them equal page space.”

I think the Star Democrat Tribune is playing politics here, trying to give Jimmy Carter and the left some credibility in saying that we’re all a bunch of racists if we disagree with Obama’s radical soci@list policies. They did bring up Obama in the story.

O.T. says:

September 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

seriously, why is it that Jon tewart and college kids are the only ones covering stories and/or doing any investigating?????????

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-24-2009/rod-blagojevich

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

“Wealthy Democratic fundraiser Hassan Nemazee is accused of running a $300 million Ponzi scheme.”

Thanks for the link O.T.! Go figure, more crookedness in the democrat party! Biden said he even wanted to make Iranian Hassan Nemazee an Ambassador.

Where is the liberal media on this?

People should be outraged!

Tiny bulbs says:

September 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

I see the “White” on black crime gets the big old front page coverage.

Lets remember that folks so we can compare ( that is if the press tells us the whole story and doesn’t leave that fact out )

Tiny bulbs says:

September 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Can’t remember but did you get front page coverage when that black guy was stabbing people after the gophers game because they where white?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 26th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

Or “Hey lets get that white dude on the bike” then beat him to death with an aluminum baseball bat. Front page big spread?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

Katherine Kersten has a new topic out, and it’s about ACORN. Too bad Big Question doesn’t dare cover something like that. Their typically concentrate on trashing conservatives and praising liberal democrats.

http://www.kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/?p=620

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

h**p://kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/?p=620

Sorry.

Downtown Dan says:

September 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

Katherine Kersten has a new topic out, and it’s called; We’re Not Done Whining About Losing the Senate. WAAAH! Everyone Together Now – WAAAAAAAAA!!!

adlib says:

September 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Until their 21st birthday.

“I always thought it was 18. Go figure….”

The “severely beaten” white kid on the bus in your false equivalency was probably under eighteen. The assaulters were probably also under eighteen. The casus bella was apparently the white kid moved the other kids stuff to take a seat as he was entitled / required to do. The black kid’s mom denies it was a racially motivated assault.

Contrast this with an autistic black kid being beaten by two adult white strangers in an assault that could only have been mistaken identity if anything other than a hate crime. And that was here in right here in River City.

People should be outraged.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 26th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

“Katherine Kersten has a new topic out, and it’s called; We’re Not Done Whining About Losing the Senate. WAAAH! Everyone Together Now – WAAAAAAAAA!!! ”

Dan fist lets say it was CCORN and lets say Norm won. Christ you’d be in here everyday crying.

I think we need to look at some of those Al votes myself. See if we can find 256 of them.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

Dan its the integrity of our voting process. THE most important aspect of our democracy. Right or left or center or whatever. We lose the integrity we lose everything.

adlib says:

September 26th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

“We lose the integrity we lose everything.”

Well that apparently happened in Y2k and a few other close elections even before you were born. Of course in Y2k you didn’t say “we” lost the integrity. You switched parties and said “you guys” lost the election.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 26th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

“Well that apparently happened in Y2k and a few other close elections even before you were born. Of course in Y2k you didn’t say “we” lost the integrity. You switched parties and said “you guys” lost the election.”

Hey Jack I was a lifelong democrat in 2000. Problem was I never liked Al so I wasn’t all worked up ( I was converting )
Yea sounds fishy state where your brother is governor.

Register at a court house or city hall or someplace “official”. Have a valid ID. If you don’t have know this upfront and the government will buy you one.

Bring the damn ID with you when you vote IN PERSON. I don’t like this absentee. Now my mother used it so we need to make exceptions.

BUT KNOW I’m lazy and don’t want to stand in line.

Lets get serious about “One man One vote”

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

adfib,

It’s ignorant to totally dismiss the thought that ACORN had at least SOME role in Franken’s phoney victory. With a margin of a just a couple hundred votes, we need to examine this corrupt vote fraud group even closer.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

“Lets get serious about “One man One vote””

I really wish the State of Minnesota would take the effort to examine some of these votes. I’ll bet there were thousands of non-citizen, illegal alien, dead people, multiple votes, etc., simply because we can get away with it in Minnesota, and ACORN was out in full force to take advantage of our insane system to get Obama into the White House (and Franken to the Senate).

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

“..we need to examine this corrupt vote fraud group even closer.”

We need to examine ALL voter fraud issues D2 .. ALL of them.

It’s not limited ot just this group. They exist on both sides.

One person, one vote.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

“One person, one vote.”

Exactly Greg. Let’s make sure that’s the case by requiring people to show a photo ID at the polls, no exeptions.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

And Franken’s awful approval rating of 44% is more proof that ACORN had a major role in getting him to Washington.

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

“Exactly Greg. Let’s make sure that’s the case by requiring people to show a photo ID at the polls, no exeptions. ”

No.

There are valid voters without photo ID issued by the state.

Downtown Dan says:

September 26th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

There are valid voters without photo ID issued by the state.

And the vast majority of them are seniors who typically vote Republican.

Oh, the irony.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

“There are valid voters without photo ID issued by the state.”

I’m not arguing that. What I’m saying is that people should be required to prove they are who they say they are at the polls. It’s far too important of a process to allow the possibility of non-citizens or illegal aliens decide the outcome of close elections, which is probably what happened in the Coleman/Franken race.

If someone is on a fixed income and “can’t afford” an ID, I don’t have a problem with them getting one for free. Let’s just eliminate the excuses for not having a photo ID, and start doing this the accurate way.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

“And the vast majority of them are seniors who typically vote Republican.”

I don’t believe most seniors in Minnesota vote Republican. Many of them still think the democrat party is the party of JFK, when in fact it’s been taken over by radical soci@lists.

Also, I don’t believe that very many seniors don’t have a photo ID. That’s just a liberal excuse to continue voter fraud.

adlib says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

“Let’s make sure that’s the case by requiring people to show a photo ID at the polls, no exeptions.”

What would the Founding Fathers have to say about that requirement D2?

Why not make sure every voter can score at least a passing grade on the immigration and naturalization test for citizenship before they can vote? True alot of citizens wouldn’t get to vote, but at least non-citizens would be unlikely to pass the test either.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

I’m switching over to Katherine’s blog. Hope to see you there!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

Check for my reply on Katherine’s blog adlib.

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

“…which is probably what happened in the Coleman/Franken race.”

You mean Coleman should’ve lost by more?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

“You mean Coleman should’ve lost by more?”

I’ll reply to you on Katherine’s blog Greg.

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

“I’ll reply to you on Katherine’s blog Greg.”

Oh.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

“Oh.”

Probably gets a premium for posting there.

Greg 63 says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

“Probably gets a premium for posting there. ”

I think it gives him wood.

I don’t want to encourage his bad behavior.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

h**p://kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/?p=620

O.T. says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

to cash a welfare check= need id
to cash ss check= need id
to rent a movie= need id
get a hotel room= need id
buy beer= need id
get across border= need passport/id
cash a personal check= need id
to vote= no id neccessary

makes sense. I really would love to see a actual factual study of how many people really do not have a id. I would wager it to be less than .001% of the state. If it got us valid elections, I would personally buy those 50 a id for them.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

Great point O.T.

Do you mind if I post this on Katherine’s blog?

adlib says:

September 26th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

Do you mind if I post this on Katherine’s blog?

Whether or not we do, you did.

I was able to post on the TA blog for a while. Must have said something KK didn’t like and got locked out. I’m in no hurry to get registered again.

But having you export text from the BQ to the TA blog causes me to visit that site more often than I’d like just to check on that. But thanks for the heads up anyway.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 26th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Adlib,

I’m sure you weren’t blog killed on Think Again. I have been banned from commenting on the Strib newspaper blog, but they simply don’t tolerate conservaive viewpoints.

O.T. says:

September 27th, 2009 at 2:23 am

“We need to finish the fight in Afghanistan… George Bush and John McCain have been weak on terrorism. It’s time to finish the fight in Afghanistan.”

Barack Obama
2008 Presidential Campaigning

Another broken promise forming- watch out!

O.T. says:

September 27th, 2009 at 2:27 am

sorry D2- feel free to spread my wisdom throughout the world. The country needs to hear this stuff. Hehe, just waiting for sarge to hissyfit that one.

O.T. says:

September 27th, 2009 at 2:30 am

Ooh, I almost forgot, remember the one told us it isn’t the US’s job to tell other countrys what to do? Looks like Israel is going under the bus soon. How you throw a country under a bus, I don’t know, but if anyone could do it….. :

Now President Obama is leading the charge to divide Jerusalem.
One Jerusalem reported:

On the footsteps of President Obama’s speech at the United Nations, the Quartet led by Obama’s Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reiterated President Obama’s call for Israel to stop all building activities in East Jerusalem and the territories. In a joint communique, the Quartet went on to encourage the Palestinians to build institutions of state during the next 24 months. This is an endorsement of the Fayaad plan to declare a Palestinian State in 2 years whether or not Israel and the Palestinians come to a formal agreement.

In the words of the Quartet, “Recalling that transformative change on the ground is integral to peace, the Quartet welcomes the Palestinian Authority’s plan for constructing the institutions of the Palestinian state within 24 months as a demonstration of the PA’s serious commitment to an independent state that provides opportunity, justice, and security for the Palestinian people and is a responsible neighbor to all states in the region.”

In endorsing the Fayaad plan, the Quartet has broken new ground as it follows Obama’s aggressive lead. Israel is being iced out of the negotiating process. If Israel does not capitulate to dividing Jerusalem and to retreating to indefensible borders look for Obama and the Quartet to recognize the Palestinian State, and Israel will become an international pariah state.

In dealing with the settlements, the Quartet considers all the West Bank as occupied territory and prohibits even “natural growth” – a growing family adding a bedroom to an existing house or even a porch to a backyard. The sentence dealing with Jerusalem reads, “The Quartet urges the government of Israel to freeze all settlement activity, including natural growth; and to refrain from provocative actions in East Jerusalem and calls on the Palestinian Authority to continue to make every effort to improve law and order, to fight violent extremism, and to end incitement” While Israel is instructed to give up tangible matter the Palestinians are simply urged to make a good effort.

The communique does not refer to Israel as a Jewish state.
Is it any wonder that only 4% of Israelis see Obama as pro-Israel?

O.T. says:

September 27th, 2009 at 3:00 am

very interesting article on 25 years of global warming evidence being “lost”. Granted, only every fourth word of the story made sense to me but it seems like something is amiss here. Not making any judgements- just thought you may like to read it.

O.T. says:

September 27th, 2009 at 3:01 am

oops, it would probably help to include the link. can you tell I am exhausted with probably 12 hours to go. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBiMTRlMDQxNzEyMmRhZjU3ZmYzODI5MGY4ZWI5OWM=&w=MA==

Greg 63 says:

September 27th, 2009 at 6:56 am

“to cash a welfare check= need id
to cash ss check= need id
to rent a movie= need id
get a hotel room= need id
buy beer= need id
get across border= need passport/id
cash a personal check= need id”

You’re a cop and you actually believe that?

SgtPendleton says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:31 am

O.D., perhaps you can enlighten us on why referring to Israel as “the Jewish State” is significant?

Downtown Dan says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:27 am

very interesting article on 25 years of global warming evidence being “lost”.

All those glaciers and all that Arctic ice, “lost.” And the National Review has no idea where it all went? It must mean Global Warming doesn’t exist. Very interesting, for the scientifically illiterate and the willfully ignorant.

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am

“The communique does not refer to Israel as a Jewish state.”

In a two state solution Israeli settlers on the West Bank would remain Israeli citizens having what status: guest residents that could be taxed at a higher rate? more privileges than the citizens? Would their compounds have mini-Israel status such as embassies?
Would they have separate infrastructure, security, water rights?

In a one state solution Palestinians would have representation in the Knesset and would have protections from housing discrimination. The nation of Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. Both Israel and Palestine are far from either solution. What then?

Jewish extremists are encouraged by American zealots not to work things out but rather to hold out for a “final solution” and the fulfillment of selected prophecies. This in turn gives Moslem extremists, both Shi’a and Sunni all they need to maintain their stranglehold on Palestinian authority.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 11:47 am

“All those glaciers and all that Arctic ice, “lost.””

D.T., the earth has been in a natural cooling cycle for several years now. Where have you been?

I wonder when liberals will address the REAL environment problem, Third World Overpopulation.

להקיא says:

September 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am

You can think whatever you want, but Carter was the captain of a nuclear submarine.

They don’t let any old idiot run one of those.

You, Dare2 my friend, could probably not even pass the psych screen, much less the physics test.

I just got the mental image the hatch clanging shut for the three month tour, and D2 discovering he has to hot bunk with a couple of “don’t ask, don’t tell” sailors.

Then we’d see how much of a patriot D2 really is.

Greg 63 says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

“Then we’d see how much of a patriot D2 really is.”

I’m not so sure that would be a good test ..

להקיא says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

I just want some place warm and be able to lay in the sun by the pool or beach.

Any good deals on hotels? I know you Jews are good at that kind of stuff.

How about Mexico?

Great, more Minnesotans laying on the beach with their beluga whale complexions that will make me see spots.

I don’t know too much about the hotels, since I only stayed in one for a week and my employer paid for it.

I’m about 35 miles from Fort Myers, and I’m guessing that no hotels close to the beach are going to be really cheap in the winter.

The best thing to do is check Hotwire or Travelocity. Usually you can get a pretty good deal through them.

Greg 63 says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

“I can’t leave the country and continue my line of work D.T. ”

I’m guessing he’s a parolee .. or ..

he’s simply not allowed to leave the country.

להקיא says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

Her death really wasn’t a surprise, we’re just happy she had a good long life. I appreciate the comments and I’ll pass them, on to my wife.

D2,

My condolences to you and your family.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

“My condolences to you and your family.”

Thanks Vomit.

להקיא says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

There you can learn real Latin.

Hopefully it’s off to MIT form there, where they study under the
Mamma Maxima Scientiae

להקיא says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

If you watch Glen Beck you’re probably a meth head.

If you’re a meth head, your TV is in the pawn shop.

להקיא says:

September 27th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

And the vast majority of them are seniors who typically vote Republican

If all the seniors in South Florida had their way, Clinton(XX) would be president today.

SgtPendleton says:

September 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Clinton XX LOL

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

“I’m about 35 miles from Fort Myers”

While working in Clearwater, FL a couple years ago, I had some time to kill over the weekend and headed towards Fort Myers. I decided instead to head east to look for allegators, and ended up in a town called Arcadia. I was interesting countryside.

monty says:

September 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

“D.T., the earth has been in a natural cooling cycle for several years now. Where have you been?”

And how does a natural cooling cycle explain shrinking glaciers and loss of sea ice? Wouldn’t the presence of one preclude the other two from happening? Must be one of them soci@list cooling cycles.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

“And how does a natural cooling cycle explain shrinking glaciers and loss of sea ice?”

Monty, While some glaciers and sea ice ice are naturally shinking, others are expanding, but the left only reports what they think you deserve to know about in order to promote their radical soci@list agenda of redistributing wealth to the terd world, which by the way is the main threat to our environment, due to high birth rates and over population.

Downtown Dan says:

September 27th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

Monty, While some glaciers and sea ice ice are naturally shinking, others are expanding,

Yet the ocean levels keep rising. How does that work?

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

Downtown Dem,

This website should help you recover from the leftist brainwashing you are now suffering from:

http://www.climatedepot.com/

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

“but the left only reports what they think you deserve to know about in order to promote their radical soci@list agenda of redistributing wealth to the terd world, which by the way is the main threat to our environment, due to high birth rates and over population.”

…but the right vetoes any direct or UN involvement of the US in funding birth control and family planning initiatives in the third world. With your phonetic spelling of “third” world I hesitate to ask what’s your solution to overpopulation in “underdeveloped” nations of the world.

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

“This website should help you recover from the leftist brainwashing you are now suffering from:”

DD probably already knows about Marc Morano’s denialist website.

Here’s a resume of it’s creator:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Marc_Morano

monty says:

September 27th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Climatedepot is a typical wingnut misinformation outlet which cites only the data that supports it’s position and denigrates the rest as political and self serving. As Andrew Freedman points out in the Washington Post, Climatedepot employs the antitheses of scientific method:

“Such reverse-engineered reasoning, in which you start at the desired political outcome and seek scientific evidence to support it, is nothing more than an anti-science and anti-science journalism agenda.”

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2009/09/response_to_climate_depots_cru.html

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

Monty,

Leftist Algore is what wingnut misinformation is all about. He is becoming a billionaire profiting from his lies.

Downtown Dan says:

September 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

Here’s a resume of it’s creator:

OMG! Here and I thought it was a parody site like the Onion.

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 6:47 pm

Is D2 really a sucker for this propaganda serving the CO2 producing industry lobby? Does he promote it for free because he believes it, or does he dream of becoming a big time purveyor of misinformation himself? I’m sure it pays very well.

More about Morano:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/us/politics/10morano.html?_r=3&hp

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

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dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

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dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Sorry for my 7 year olds son’s thoughts.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

“Is D2 really a sucker for this propaganda serving the CO2 producing industry lobby”

I’m not promoting any lobby, just the lovers of common sense adlib. If the soci@list’s get their way with Cap and Tax, it will destroy what’s left of our economy.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

“Such reverse-engineered reasoning, in which you start at the desired political outcome and seek scientific evidence to support it, is nothing more than an anti-science and anti-science journalism agenda.”

That statement is applicable to both sides of this “debate”.

Downtown Dan says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

I’m not promoting any lobby, just the lovers of common sense adlib

Common sense tells us that we should invest our money on US manufacturing companies and SAVE money while reducing the flow of money we sent to Middle Eastern oil producing countries that hate us and promote radical Islam.

That would be common sense. You would rather we send all our money to radical sheiks than keep it here.

You have no common sense, and you’re not a patriot.

Downtown Dan says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

That statement is applicable to both sides of this “debate”.

You wish. That statement shows how scientifically illiterate you really are.

parthian says:

September 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

“Is [2Dim] really a sucker…”

Excellent question. As John Stuart Mill observed, “Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative”.

As we are all painfully aware, 2Dim is cretinously stupid and ignorant, yet delights in promiscuously polluting every BQ thread with his inane and baseless “opinions”, all of which merely regurgitate the most “conservative” position possible. So 2Dim couldn’t possibly recite one accurate fact about global warming, nor could he understand any scientific explanation for global warming even if he wanted to.

But, fortunately for him, he doesn’t want to. As a self-selected waterboy for Team Conservative, he merely wants to vomit every slogan (however obviously false to an informed person) that his team’s coaches and RW sewage troughs present to him. He can’t understand anything, and doesn’t want to.

The chief motivation for 2Dim and the rest of the mangy conserva-gang is to be a member of the “team” and “defeat” the demonic Team Lib’rul. The fact that over the past 15 years the policy positions of Team Conservative have been an unequivocal disaster for the nation or are utterly at odds with the nation’s scientists is meaningless to them.

Conservative cogs are not about honestly trying to make things better for the country, they are about hating lib’ruls and blindly opposing whatever they advocate, however ignorant the cogs may be on the precise subject and however much the “solutions” their corrupt Team has advocated have massively failed. Objective failure is meaningless to the conserva-cogs.

The dimmest cogs like 2Dim are unaware that they are simply doing the bidding of the nation’s plutocrats (who die laughing at how they get idiots like 2Dim to advocate that the obscenely rich really need to get even richer and the powerful even more powerful). Other cog-members of the “team” hilariously think that they too are proto-”wealth creators”, who will someday be able to benefit from the pro-plutocrat policies of “conservatism”. OT for example may seem hmself in this mirror as he calculates the supposed OT “wealth”.

The most cynical ones, like Morano,are mostly in it for the short term dough, although they may “believe” the lies as well. (2Dim is certainly not in it for the dough, ha-ha!)

But it really doesn’t matter, because none of them are behaving in a way any person who actually cared about the future of the country (or planet) would rationally behave in the circumstances. Thus, all one can conclude is that the brains of almost all of Team Conservative have been poisoned (often wilfully) beyond remedy and this constitutes a crisis for the nation.

parthian says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

“that statement is applicable to both sides of this ‘debate’”

Typical braying false equivalency.

Sure is an easy trick to learn, sort of like “shake, Rover”…..

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

“As we are all painfully aware, 2Dim is cretinously stupid and ignorant,…”

Parth, when I make a statement like that I usually add a qualifier like…”,but no offense.”

O.T. says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

sheet! After being awake for about 32 hours, I finally pass ot on the couch watching the vikes and missed the second half- sunuvabich! lucky for tivo though, I did watch the last five minutes.

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

“I did watch the last five minutes”

The biggest thing the Viking staff can learn from Favre is time clock management. Tarkenton and Grant’s QB’s had it, but it’s been a long time since it was really done well. Dennis Greene’s QB’s didn’t have that knack.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

“You wish. That statement shows how scientifically illiterate you really are.”

So was this guy “scientifically illiterate”?

Global Warming? Some common sense thoughts

http://meteo.lcd.lu/globalwarming/Bryson/globalwarming_common_sense_thoughts.html

Downtown Dan says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

Some common sense thoughts

Wow, talk about straw.

1. The atmospheric warming of the last century is unprecedented and unique.
Wrong.
There are literally thousands of papers in the scientific literature with data that shows that the climate has been changing one way or the other for millions of years.

And at our historic warmer stages the ocean levels were a hundred feet higher than they are now.

2. It is a fact that the warming of the past century was anthropogenic in origin, i.e. man-made and due to carbon dioxide emission.
Wrong.
That is a theory for which there is no credible proof.

Sorry, there are volumes of credible proof.

3. The most important gas with a “greenhouse” effect is carbon dioxide.
Wrong.
Water vapor is at least 100 times as effective as carbon dioxide,

The most important greenhouse gas we can control is CO2. It creates a positive feedback cycle. As air warms it can hold more water vapor, which increases the warming affect. Then stored methane starts releasing. Methane is a 25x stronger greenhouse gas as CO2.

4. One cannot argue with the computer models that predict the climate effects of a doubling of carbon dioxide or other “greenhouse gases”.
Wrong.
To show this we must show that the computer models can at least duplicate the present-day climate. This they cannot do with what could be called accuracy by any stretch of the imagination.

Here he’s correct. Unfortunately the computer models have been too kind as the most current readings show that we’re warming much faster than predicted. Oops.

6. It is the consensus of scientists in general that carbon-dioxide-induced warming of the climate is a fact.
Probably wrong. I know of no vote having been taken, and know that if such a vote were taken of those who are most vocal about the matter, it would include a significant fraction of people who do not know enough about climate to have a significant opinion.

I posted a link last week that showed 1,500 climate scientists were polled this question. 97.4% of scientists who specialized in climate based sciences agreed that AGW is being driven by human emissions.

We can say that the Earth has most probably warmed in the past century. We cannot say what part of that warming was due to mankind’s addition of “greenhouse gases” until we consider the other possible factors, such as aerosols. The aerosol content of the atmosphere was measured during the past century, but to my knowledge this data was never used.
We can say that the question of anthropogenic modification of the climate is an important question — too important to ignore. However it has now become a media free-for-all and a political issue more than a scientific problem.
What a change from 1968 when I gave a paper at a national scientific meeting2 and was laughed at for suggesting that people could possibly change the climate!

Your “common sense” thinker, by his own admission, believes a) “the Earth has most probably warmed in the past century”, and b) “I gave a paper at a national scientific meeting2 and was laughed at for suggesting that people could possibly change the climate!”

You should read your links more closely.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

So was this guy “scientifically illiterate”?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

“Your “common sense” thinker,”

Come on!! Someone post the resume of my “common sense” thinker.

The fact that you don’t recognize the name shows how “scientifically illiterate” and “willfully ignorant” you are.

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

So was this guy “scientifically illiterate”?

No, but the denialists will take help from any quarter, even qualified scientists.

Aerosols? We have to rule out aerosols before concluding there’s strong enough evidence to get busy on international efforts limit CO2 emissions? Common sense would seem to suggest the buy in needs fo be huge for it to even succeed in delaying the inevitable.

It won’t take a long google search to find equally qualified climate scientists who maintain that whatever caused the greenhouse gases to approach the point of no return, the effects of this can no longer be mitigated by human efforts, that its already too late.

If you’re a man on the Titanic and it’s not your fate to board a lifeboat, then I agree that its only common sense to display calm and equanimity so that the experience of others sharing that fate will not be so wretched.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

“It won’t take a long google search to find equally qualified climate scientists”

Good luck with that.

parthian says:

September 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

“too important to ignore”

But not important enough to do anything about!

CS’s expert is another ancient denialist geezer—at least 89, and who got his doctorate in “meteorology” in the 1940s. I’ve noticed most denialists with some science background have a persistent tendency to be pretty damn old. So he’s not actually a climate scientist and his “arguments” have been addressed thousands of times by the climate scientists. But he is prominently profiled on “Conservapedia”!

“political issue more than a scientific problem…”

That’s why the climate scientists and their governments have issued four unanimous reports since 1996 declaring that the warming is unequivocal and caused by human generated CO2 from fossil fuels—because the nations of the world always agree unanimously on “political” issues!

The guy is a walking collection of discredited 1990s denialist slogans dealt with ad nauseum by the IPCC and NASA.

Get out of the way, Gramps, you’ve already been run over.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

“So he’s not actually a climate scientist and his “arguments” have been addressed thousands of times by the climate scientists. But he is prominently profiled on “Conservapedia”!”

Good God. I’m lovin’ it!!!!

Parth, you lost any credibility with me on this issue long ago.

When you claimed scientist know the “precise” temperatures from ice cores.

parthian says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

Bryson’s article above was apparently from early 2004, that’s why it sounds so dated and filled with discredited canards.

And he died last year, 2008. So blocking progress on combatting global warming is now out of his hands—great legacy, Dr B!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

—great legacy, Dr B!

Keep reading Son, You might learn something.

What was he called again?

parthian says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

Well, maybe next you’ll find some geezer who claims to doubt the temperature calculations from the ice cores—it’s not a controversial area, whatever you may imagine, CS.

I’m sure you also think the CO2 records from the various ice cores is highly controversial as well.

You’ve kept such an open mind on the subject, your brain fell out!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

“What was he called again?”

Come on Parth, just say it. He was known as?.?.?.?.

And the bonus question. Why was he known that way?

adlib says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

It won’t take a long google search to find equally qualified climate scientists

“Good luck with that.”

http://climatechangepsychology.blogspot.com/2009/09/joseph-romm-newsweek-publishes-worst.html

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

“http://climatechangepsychology.blogspot.com/2009/09/joseph-romm-newsweek-publishes-worst.html”

You’re kidding, right?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

“You’re kidding, right?”

I’m taking my “Father of modern ………”

And going to bed.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 7:31 am

So was this guy “scientifically illiterate”?

You obviously never read to the bottom of either paper or my post. Here it is again, your skeptic believes a) “the Earth has most probably warmed in the past century”, and b) “I gave a paper at a national scientific meeting and was laughed at for suggesting that people could possibly change the climate!”

parthian says:

September 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am

Apparently you’ve seen “someone” call Dr B something, CS.

Why don’t you identify what it is and who exactly is saying it?

Obstinate belief that an aged meteorologist who never worked on global warming, never published one thing on it, and retired more than 25 years ago (before NASA’s James Hansen even gave his historic testimony to congress on global warming in 1988) is really a leading authority in the “debate” is the sign of someone who has no sense, cannot weigh evidence appropriately and is desperately looking for some sign of scientific disagreement.

That’s my take on your “credibility”, CS.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 9:42 am

You wish. That statement shows how scientifically illiterate you really are.

As opposed to your ability to scientifically cut and paste.

When presented with a question that requires you to demonstrate some understanding of science, all you manage to do is accuse someone else of scientific illiteracy.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:03 am

As opposed to your ability to scientifically cut and paste

At least I use credible sources and not junk science. I understand enough to understand the difference.

When presented with a question that…

So show me a relevant question. Preferably one dealing with this planet.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:38 am

“So show me a relevant question. Preferably one dealing with this planet.”

Dear Planet Dan

If the earth is warming why did you only have a couple of days in the 90′s this summer?

Tiny

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:55 am

The most important greenhouse gas we can control is CO2. It creates a positive feedback cycle. As air warms it can hold more water vapor, which increases the warming affect. Then stored methane starts releasing. Methane is a 25x stronger greenhouse gas as CO2.

The global warming risk factor of methane release is in direct correlation to the total size of the methane reservoir. Scientists are uncertain by a factor of ten of the total size of the methane hydrate reservoir.

Lets assume that the total is the highest end of the estimate. When will we begin to see a significant influence on global warming?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am

Illinois Enema bandit “I heard it on News”

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am

“If the earth is warming why did you only have a couple of days in the 90’s this summer?”

Local weather and global climate arn’t interchangable concepts, Tiny. Weather is short term flucuation, climate is long term trend.
Using your logic, if the earth ISN’T warming, why did GO have several days above 100 a few months ago?

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am

“When will we begin to see a significant influence on global warming? ”

2050.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/12/methane-hydrates-and-global-warming/

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:27 am

““When will we begin to see a significant influence on global warming? ”

2050.”

That gives the scam a Lifetime, perfect!

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:31 am

“That gives the scam a Lifetime, perfect!”

That’s just an estimate, Tiny. And yeah, you and I will be dead, but my kids and grandkids won’t. For their sake, I’d rather be safe than sorry.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:32 am

“Using your logic, if the earth ISN’T warming, why did GO have several days above 100 a few months ago?”

THE EARTH

I’m on earth and one would think if THE EARTH is warming it wouldn’t discrimate. So If its warm in Orgon it should be warm here.

And the 30’s …………………………….and the 30’s Please explain to me why the 30’s wasn’t “global warming”

And as the case is the earth has actually been cooling the past 8 years. So is this the “cool before the warm” and we have to wait unti 2050 to see if this thing is real.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:35 am

“That’s just an estimate, Tiny. And yeah, you and I will be dead, but my kids and grandkids won’t. For their sake, I’d rather be safe than sorry.”

Me too. I’d rather be safe than sorry. Thats why I tell everyone I can that this is a bunch of Bull. That way in 2050 people won’t look back and think I was one of those FOOLS.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am

“I’m on earth and one would think if THE EARTH is warming it wouldn’t discrimate. So If its warm in Orgon it should be warm here.”

You’re kidding, right?

“And as the case is the earth has actually been cooling the past 8 years”

Oh really? Where do you get your info on that, Tiny? And if it is from some source in any way related to the science of climatology, what differenciates this data from the rest of the catagory?

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am

“That way in 2050 people won’t look back and think I was one of those FOOLS.”

I said for THEIR sake, Tiny. It ain’t about me.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 11:52 am

What seems to be lost among the blog scientists is that,

CS never stated his position on global warming.

If Albert Einstein rose from the dead with a global warming theory that didn’t fall 100% in lock step agreement with with what the zealots think he should be saying, he’d be ridiculed as some irrelevant old fart.

Bryson was a Founding director of The Gaylord Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies , the University of Wisconsin, Madison. He was a hell of a lot more qualified than a couple of internet cheerleaders for the Democratic party.

DD and Parth, you both seem to be having a problem understanding that CS’s
link wasn’t even in disagreement with
global warming theory.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

“Where do you get your info on that, Tiny?”

Joe Soucheray?

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

“Joe Soucheray?”

Actually, mine was a kind of a trick question. There IS data that we are in a short term cooling trend right now. It’s just that, overall, there ia also data that it won’t affect the long term warming trend significantly.
And vomit’s critique is correct-you can’t throw out someone’s opinion just because they’re old(or dead). If you question the result without questioning the methodology, you’re just talkin’ politics.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

DD and Parth, you both seem to be having a problem understanding that CS’s
link wasn’t even in disagreement with
global warming theory.

One of my points was that he wasn’t aware of this. I pointed this out twice.

When will we begin to see a significant influence on global warming?

This is going to be defendant on where the frozen methane is located and how close to thawing temperatures it is, and how you’re defining “significant.”

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

“When will we begin to see a significant influence on global warming? ”

2050.

So says your report, which incidentally NOT written by a climate scientist. Here’s one published about three years later that says it should be around 3000AD.

http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap3-4/final-report/default.htm

Your report is from IPCC data, mine is from USGS data. Which one is correct?
Am I in denial? Are you a sucker for a hoax?

I’m not a climate scientist. I don’t know which one I’m supposed to write off as alarmist/denialist garbage.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

One of my points was that he wasn’t aware of this.

I wasn’t aware that he was attempting to debunk AGW theory(nor was I when I posted a question about heat radiation on Mars that I knew was inapplicable to AGW). All I saw was a statement that there’s a lot of poor science on both sides of the debate.

Parthian immediately labled him a denialist and you labeled him scientifically illiterate. The result,
you guys proved his point.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

So says your report, which incidentally NOT written by a climate scientist. Here’s one published about three years later that says it should be around 3000AD.

And some say it’s already begun:

Pure methane, gas bubbling up from underwater vents, escaping into northern skies, adds to the global-warming gases accumulating in the atmosphere. And pure methane escaping in the massive amounts known to be locked in the Arctic permafrost and seabed would spell a climate catastrophe.

Is such an unlocking under way?

Researchers say air temperatures here in northwest Canada, in Siberia and elsewhere in the Arctic have risen more than 2.5 C (4.5 F) since 1970 — much faster than the global average. The summer thaw is reaching deeper into frozen soil, at a rate of 4 centimeters (1.5 inches) a year, and a further 7 C (13 F) temperature rise is possible this century, says the authoritative, U.N.-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

In 2007, air monitors detected a rise in methane concentrations in the atmosphere, apparently from far northern sources. Russian researchers in Siberia expressed alarm, warning of a potential surge in the powerful greenhouse gas, additional warming of several degrees, and unpredictable consequences for Earth’s climate.

Others say massive seeps of methane might take centuries. But the Russian scenario is disturbing enough to have led six U.S. national laboratories last year to launch a joint investigation of rapid methane release. And IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri in July asked his scientific network to focus on “abrupt, irreversible climate change” from thawing permafrost.
h – ttp://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=8448421

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

Only have time for a quick drive by this aft. but I do have to thank Parth for the great laughs he provided this morning.

“Why don’t you identify what it is and who exactly is saying it?”

What’s the matter? The teachers aide wouldn’t help you look it up?

“One of my points was that he wasn’t aware of this. I pointed this out twice.”

Quite aware of it Dan. And I wholeheartedly agree with Dr. Bryson “That is a theory for which there is no credible proof.”

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

“Actually, mine was a kind of a trick question.”

And mine was an inside joke. If you dont listen to Soucheray’s show you wouldn’t ‘get’ it.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

“Where do you get your info on that, Tiny?”

Joe Soucheray?

No “standing outside for the last 48 years”

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

“So says your report, which incidentally NOT written by a climate scientist.”

No, it was written by a geophysicist, someone who is certainly qualified to speak on the subject of methane hydrate, no?

“Your report is from IPCC data, mine is from USGS data. Which one is correct?”

Good question. Both reports call for increased efforts to monitor the situation. That’s probably the best way to figure out your question.

“I’m not a climate scientist. I don’t know which one I’m supposed to write off as alarmist/denialist garbage”

Neither am I and neither do I. Methane hydrate was unknown only a few decades ago. It would be pretty dumb for anyone to claim they have the last word on the subject. There are bound to be rapid advances in our understanding of methane hydrate and how it will effect, among other things, climate change, in the coming years-as long as we don’t write the whole subject off as “alarmist/denialist garbage”.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Really cover your eyes and close you mind then imagine someone saying man is chaning the earths climate. Then really think hard on how frickin’ dumb that sounds.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

“If you dont listen to Soucheray’s show you wouldn’t ‘get’ it.”

I used to read his sports column back when he wrote for the strib, but that’s about it.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

“No “standing outside for the last 48 years””

Tiny some of your jokes are straight out of his show. I like Soucheray, beacuse he’s funny. Not beacuse he has a clue about anything.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

“Really cover your eyes and close you mind then imagine someone saying man is chaning the earths climate. Then really think hard on how frickin’ dumb that sounds.”

Imagine doing the exact opposite.

Equally fog hornable.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

“Really cover your eyes and close you mind then imagine someone saying man is chaning the earths climate. Then really think hard on how frickin’ dumb that sounds.”

Ever heard of smog, Tiny? How about acid rain? Ever noticed the thin brown layer of air on the horizon at any time in your 48 years of standing outside? Or how about a thermonuclear device, you know, like an h-bomb? Think a few of those going off at about the same time might have an effect on anything?
Any idea where that stuff comes from? Even the Grand Canyon started out as a little stream, Tiny.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

“Tiny some of your jokes are straight out of his show”

Examples please.

“you know, like an h-bomb?”

So we should bomb Iran in the name of global warming?

“Ever heard of smog, Tiny?”

And I believe smog is pollution and pollution doesn’t warm the earth.
Plus the area of smog compared to the earth and its atmosphere is probably a .00000000000000000000000000001.

That’s the problem. You people need to get out of the city and realize you’re not the center of attention.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

I wasn’t aware that he was attempting to debunk AGW theory

“And I wholeheartedly agree with Dr. Bryson ‘That is a theory for which there is no credible proof.’”

It would appear we were correct in our assumption then. He is a denialist, he is scientifically illiterate, and he missed where Dr. Bryson admitted he believed the earth is warming and was laughed at for suggesting humans were involved.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

Even the Grand Canyon started out as a little stream, Tiny.

Yeah took a frickin’in million years to carve it out.

Are doing this for your grandchildren’s child to the power of a million.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

“Examples please.”"

The tall building gag?
Quoting the temp from 70 years ago?

“You people need to get out of the city and realize you’re not the center of attention.”

Oh like say the Arctic circle? Life doesnt begin and end in Bufalo, MN.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

And I believe smog is pollution and pollution doesn’t warm the earth.

You’ve never heard of acid rain?

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

“You’ve never heard of acid rain?”

Hows that rain forrest doing? I havent heard about that one in a while. How about the Ozone layer?

Those dont seem to get the ‘ink’ they used to, why is that?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

“The tall building gag?”

Thats Tiny Lites

“Quoting the temp from 70 years ago?”

Well….seems odd that the high temps for many days is greater then the temp that day.

“You’ve never heard of acid rain?”

Window pane acid on a rainy day?

SgtPendleton says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Regardless of how you feel about global warming, don’t you guys think it’s smart to switch our energy use from a non-renewable source (oil) to renewable sources (solar, wind, etc…)

When I was a kid, we thought we’d never run out of water — ask people in Vegas or SoCal if that’s true today. Same could happen with oil.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

“Window pane acid on a rainy day?”

That would be more like the dark side of the moon, or maybe meddle.

Earsall Mackbee says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

Sorry Deac, but half the people on this blog are funnier than Soucheray. If I want his brand of entertainment, I can sit in the lobby of a nursing home.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

Speaking of smog:

“Near-surface ozone is a key component of photochemical “smog,” a familiar problem in the atmosphere of many cities around the world. Higher amounts of surface-level ozone are increasingly being observed in rural areas as well.”

Look out, Tiny. It’s headed your way.

SgtPendleton says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

If I want his brand of entertainment, I can sit in the lobby of a nursing home.

Boy ain’t that the truth. There was a group of people out in California who said they weren’t going to buy anything brand new for a year, and I thought ol’ Joe was going to have a coronary infarction.

Apparently, harmless exercises done by people 1000s of miles away is deeply troubling to him.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

“If I want his brand of entertainment, I can sit in the lobby of a nursing home.”

I love hearing people get fog horned.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

More on ozone:

Through an international agreement known as the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, governments have decided to eventually discontinue production of CFCs, halons, carbon tetrachloride, and methyl chloroform (except for a few special uses), and industry has developed more “ozone-friendly” substitutes. All other things being equal, and with adherence to the international agreements, the ozone layer is expected to recover over the next 50 years or so.”

http://www.ozonelayer.noaa.gov/science/basics.htm

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

“Thats Tiny Lites”

Its a Soucheray too. Must be a coincidence.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

And some say it’s already begun:

Three different predictions, with a thousand year difference, but the science is settled.

One thing I find amusing, is how many times I’ve heard the Algorian Monks immediately scoff at the findings of Russian scientists, citing some outlandish alien junk scientist.

Apparently the guys that first put man in space are OK, after all.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 28th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

” Life doesnt begin and end in Bufalo, MN. ”

Unless of course you are tiny. Then it probably does.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

No, it was written by a geophysicist, someone who is certainly qualified to speak on the subject of methane hydrate, no?

Right, which is why my feathers get ruffled when I hear comments like “So he’s not actually a climate scientist.”

My questions in that post were rhetorical. No reasonable theories or questions should get written off
as garbage.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

“…another ancient denialist geezer—at least 89, and who got his doctorate in “meteorology” in the 1940s. I’ve noticed most denialists with some science background have a persistent tendency to be pretty damn old…”

Careful with the ageism, parth old buddy. I’m sure you lap up whatever James Lovelock says and he’s getting on in years too.

Last article I read that quoted him, he was saying the only thing he could think of to arrest global warming would be to cultivate fast-carbon-absorbing plants on every tillable field and plow them under to sequester the carbon. And he said it was probably too late even for that. He didn’t say anything about where we would get food for the human race whilst our fields were so employed.
Demented old geezer?

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

Really cover your eyes and close you mind then imagine someone saying man is chaning the earths climate. Then really think hard on how frickin’ dumb that sounds.

Open your mind and it sounds a lot more credible.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 28th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Free your mind, and your behind will follow.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

“What a terrible thing to have lost one’s mind. Or not to have a mind at all.”

-Dan Quayle

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Three different predictions, with a thousand year difference, but the science is settled.

Are you purposely not following along? The latest link wasn’t about predictions, it was about how methane is ALREADY being released WAY ahead of what was predicted only a few years ago.

No reasonable theories or questions should get written off
as garbage.

Within your definition of “reasonable” we can theorize that the moon landing was staged in the California desert and not be written off as garbage.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

“Within your definition of “reasonable” we can theorize that the moon landing was staged in the California desert and not be written off as garbage.”

Dan getting angry!!! Grrrrrr!!!

Dan, if the Us Dept Of Energy could figure out how to tap the US Power grid into your ritcheous indignation, we could get off foreign oil tomorrow.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

Are you purposely not following along? The latest link wasn’t about predictions, it was about how methane is ALREADY being released WAY ahead of what was predicted only a few years ago.

No, it was about methane being released, a natural event commonly referred to as swamp gas. The gist of the article was that scientists are concerned it MAY be increasing, but because methane is a greenhouse gas, and greenhouse gasses cause global warming, you’re going to run around shouting “the sky is falling becuase the methane is rising!!!”

Within your definition of “reasonable” we can theorize that the moon landing was staged in the California desert and not be written off as garbage.

You clearly lack the scientific knowledge to even consider what’s reasonable.

(make Dan Google moment)–>>Why do none of the moon photos show any stars in the background, while on earth, you can see thousands of stars looking through 100 miles of atmospheric muck? Seems reasonable that we should see more stars
in the airless lunar environment.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

Dan, if the Us Dept Of Energy could figure out how to tap the US Power grid into your ritcheous indignation, we could get off foreign oil tomorrow.

Steam turbines connected to each ear.

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

Free your mind, and your behind will follow.

Open your behind, and Dan’s brain will fall out.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

Dan, if the Us Dept Of Energy could figure out how to tap the US Power grid into your ritcheous indignation, we could get off foreign oil tomorrow.

Trying to get on my good side?

No, it was about methane being released, a natural event

“Researchers say air temperatures here in northwest Canada, in Siberia and elsewhere in the Arctic have risen more than 2.5 C (4.5 F) since 1970 — much faster than the global average.”

Nothing out of the ordinary…

“In 2007, air monitors detected a rise in methane concentrations in the atmosphere, apparently from far northern sources”

Arctic swamp gas, no doubt.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

Open your behind, and Dan’s brain will fall out.

Now you’re projecting.

Deacon Blues says:

September 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

“Trying to get on my good side?”

Does it really matter?

I get a kick out of you arguing the same things everyday. Im not sure whether to laugh or cry. Keep pounding sand Dan, its noble work.

SgtPendleton says:

September 28th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

** INSERT METHANE FART JOKE HERE **

להקיא says:

September 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

Nothing out of the ordinary

In your mind, it’s proof of AGW, because you’re seeking scientific evidence to support your political conclusion.

Arctic swamp gas, no doubt.

Swamp gas is the common name, because it’s most noticable in…… take a guess.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

Here…Heres an Olympic event for Chicago. See if you can walk in certain neighborhoods without becoming one of the 500 homicides that occur there every year.

WHAT A JOKE!

Or how about that video. You guys see the kid get beaten to death. Looks like theres not a white guy in sight. Maybe thats why the story will go away in a day.

WHAT A JOKE!

And if after 4.5 billion the person that thinks man can’t warm the earth is considered the crazy one.

WHAT A JOKE!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

“It would appear we were correct in our assumption then. He is a denialist, he is scientifically illiterate, and he missed where Dr. Bryson admitted he believed the earth is warming and was laughed at for suggesting humans were involved.”

I believe the planet is warming. I believe human activity can affect the climate in ways that both warm and cool it. I just don’t see any creditable proof that CO2 is causing much, if any, of the current warming.

If that makes me scientifically illiterate, I’m in good company.

But the fact that neither you or Parth seemed to know who Dr. Reid Bryson, “The Father of Modern Climatology” was, shows how limited any of your “research” into this subject has been.

Because you would have to be an illiterate to miss him.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

“WHAT A JOKE!”

Well Tiny, in the immortal words of Meatloaf: Two out of three ain’t bad.

“I believe the planet is warming. I believe human activity can affect the climate in ways that both warm and cool it. I just don’t see any creditable proof that CO2 is causing much, if any, of the current warming”

Fair enough, CS. Do you think the current warming trend is a part of a natural cycle, then?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

“Because you would have to be an illiterate to miss him.”

Or “willfully ignorant”.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

“Do you think the current warming trend is a part of a natural cycle, then?”

Could be, the problem is we don’t have a good handle on natural variation. There are a many variables that work on a very long time scale that we don’t understand. Actually the current flattening of temperatures does line up with a 30-40 yr pattern that we’ve been able to measure. But even those are blinks of an eye on a climatological scale.

adlib says:

September 28th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

“No, it was about methane being released, a natural event commonly referred to as swamp gas. The gist of the article was that scientists are concerned it MAY be increasing, but because methane is a greenhouse gas, and greenhouse gasses cause global warming, you’re going to run around shouting ‘the sky is falling becuase the methane is rising!!!’”

It’s a will o’ the wisp, its an UFO, NO, it’s SWAMP GAS MAN.

All you common sense non-extremist people can’t get excited about anything urgent can you? You’re not denialists, you’re just undecided. Give it 50 years for definite proof before we take any serious countermeasures and let’s see what happens. (If it turns out the GW POLITICAL PARTY was right we’ll be big enough to admit we’re wrong.) Better think again. If anyone cares at all it will be to target scapegoats for the weather. Your moment of glory is right now. By painting this a political issue you’re effectively helping to dissipate the momentum necessary for change. I not only congratulate you for your POLITICAL effect but I hope your belief that it’s all one big bugaloo, despite evidence to the contrary, is absolutely correct.

Of course if you’re wrong I have to advise “Mama’s don’t let your baby’s grow up to be dropouts…” They’ll need to make more significant contributions than sperm donations for passage to geosynchronous orbit and beyond. That is if we even have a space program by mid century instead of some flat earth theocratic version America.

But doesn’t DD have a point? Where should the burden of proof lie?
Even if we have to pretend there’s a problem the hoax can bring about a cleaner environment/ better health, jobs, economic resurgence, and new opportunity for Yankee ingenuity and inventiveness.

I think the politicizing of human survival surpasses all the great hysteria’s of the past. No party owns this issue. And Al Gore must be suffering from the Stockholm syndrome to champion the green movement. The Green Party was his most persistent heckler, and they arguably cost him the presidency. But Al Gore didn’t invent global warming any more than than he invented the internet.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

““Do you think the current warming trend is a part of a natural cycle, then?””

This how the Con stays alive. WHAT warming trend?

“No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA’s GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.”

And this is what caused the last warming trend and the one before that and the one before that and the one before that and on and on.

“Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases.”

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

“Even if we have to pretend there’s a problem”

Let me see if I have this straight.

When “conservatives” make sh!t up, it’s bad.

When “progressives” make sh!t up, it’s good.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

“Satellite data from NASA shows no increase in average global temperature since 1998, a year when El Nino caused a worldwide spike having nothing to do with carbon dioxide. Alarmists contend this is just a pause in a continuous rise in temperatures and that it will begin to increase again”

This is what Scam Artists say when the gig looks like its up. “just a pause”

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

“The Hadley Centre for Climate Change, part of the UK Met Office, tracks global temperature and shows a big drop in global temperature anomalies since January 2007. Based on the HadCRUT3 system of observed temperatures, global surface temperature anomalies have been trending down since 2001. January 2008 had the coldest anomaly since 1995.”

And from Tiny Study I can tell you I’ve frozen my @ss off the last 3 winters. And the summers have been shorter and cooler.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Example

Today the headline at the great Red Star was “Global Warming killing Moose in Northern Minnesota” (It has changed now…funny..some headline writer must be a firm believer).

Yet in the story it says

“Researchers said they weren’t sure why the animal is struggling more in Minnesota than elsewhere and more study is needed.”

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

“There are a many variables that work on a very long time scale that we don’t understand”

This is true. Part of the problem with global warming backer/disclaimer arguments are just this-we don’t really understand the hows and whys of the climate engine.

“Alarmists contend this is just a pause in a continuous rise in temperatures and that it will begin to increase again”

Interesting quotes, Tiny. If you could give us a link, we could check out where you’re getting this stuff.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

“Researchers said they weren’t sure why the animal is struggling more in Minnesota than elsewhere and more study is needed.”

I remember reading that story in the strib several months ago, Tiny. I don’t see it in the on-line strib now. As I recall, the moose watchers thought the animals were stressed because of the higher average temps in northern MN and longer summer seasons. They thought that the climate change will eventually cause the moose to migrate north, out of the state.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

“Part of the problem with global warming backer/disclaimer arguments are just this-we don’t really understand the hows and whys of the climate engine.”

It’s not part of the problem Monty, it’s the whole problem. It’s a BIG, slow moving engine. And we have mere glimpses of it.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

Based on the HadCRUT3 system of observed temperatures, global surface temperature anomalies have been trending down since 2001.

But that isn’t really “global.” Let’s turn to the science to explain:

Skeptics proclaim that global warming stopped in 1998. That we’re now experiencing global cooling. However, these arguments overlook one simple physical reality – the land and atmosphere are only one small fraction of the Earth’s climate (albeit the part we inhabit). Global warming is by definition global. The entire planet is accumulating heat due to an energy imbalance. The atmosphere is warming. Oceans are accumulating energy. Land absorbs energy and ice absorbs heat to melt. To get the full picture on global warming, you need to view the Earth’s entire heat content.

This analysis is performed in An observationally based energy balance for the Earth since 1950 (Murphy 2009) which adds up heat content from the ocean, atmosphere, land and ice. (…)

A look at the Earth’s total heat content clearly shows global warming has continued past 1998. So why do surface temperature records show 1998 as the hottest year on record? Figure 1 shows the heat capacity of the land and atmosphere are small compared to the ocean (the tiny brown sliver of “land + atmosphere” also includes the heat absorbed to melt ice). Hence, relatively small exchanges of heat between the atmosphere and ocean can cause significant changes in surface temperature.

In 1998, an abnormally strong El Nino caused heat transfer from the Pacific Ocean to the atmosphere. Consequently, we experienced above average surface temperatures. Conversely, the last few years have seen moderate La Nina conditions which had a cooling effect on global temperatures. And the last few months have swung back to warmer El Nino conditions. This has coincided with the warmest June-August sea surface temperatures on record. This internal variation where heat is shuffled around our climate is the reason why surface temperature is such a noisy signal.

Figure 1 also underscores just how much global warming the planet is experiencing. Since 1970, the Earth’s heat content has been rising at a rate of 6 x 1021 Joules per year. In more meaningful terms, the planet has been accumulating energy at a rate of 190,260 GigaWatts. Considering a typical nuclear power plant has an output of 1 GigaWatt, imagine 190,000 nuclear power plants pouring their energy output directly into our oceans.

Lastly, the planet’s energy imbalance is confirmed by satellite measurements of incoming and outgoing radiation. Earth’s Global Energy Budget (Trenberth 2009) examines satellite measurements for the Mar 2000 to May 2004 period and finds the planet is accumulating energy at a rate of 0.9 ± 0.15 W m−2. This is consistent with the amount of heat accumulating in the ocean.

So the point to remember when considering short term cooling trends in surface temperature records is that the atmosphere is only one small part of a planet which is in energy imbalance. Empirical measurements show the planet continues to accumulate heat. More energy is coming in than is radiating back out to space. Global warming continued past 1998 and is still happening.

Full article: http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-do-we-know-global-warming-is-still-happening.html

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

“WHAT warming trend?”

Here’s a couple quotes from an earlier thread, tiny, and the link to ‘em:

“he had been met with confusion and even anger when he tried to describe this normal variation in climate while at the same time conveying the long-term threat of global warming”

“Most climate scientists stand firm in their projections of centuries of rising seas and other disruptive effects of a warming planet if humans take no steps to reduce their emissions of greenhouse gases”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/science/earth/23cool.html

This is why I ask for your link(s). A person can’t learn anything if all he or she reads are things he or she already agrees with.

Downtown Dan says:

September 28th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

“Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases.”

The amount that solar activity changes is relatively small. The amplitude of the solar cycle is about 1 W/m2. This translates to a radiative forcing of about 0.25 W/m2 and is estimated to have an effect of around 0.1C on global temperatures over the 11 year cycle. Similarly, the long term changes in solar activity are relatively small – upper limits of radiative forcing from the Maunder Minimum until now place it at around 0.23 W/m2.

Same link.

adlib says:

September 28th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

When “conservatives” make sh!t up, it’s bad.
When “progressives” make sh!t up, it’s good.

Conservatives see the movement to slow global warming as a sinister political putsch by “progressives” to grab power based upon a deliberate lie.

But what’s the greater danger: Ignoring a real threat or overreacting to an exaggerated threat? And if the threat turns out to be exagerrated, which it won’t, why can’t those who are sceptical of the necessity see the benefit of countermeasures limiting greenhouse gas emissions in terms of an economic upside.

You’d equate this instead with starting a war for bogus evidence. If I can eschew the “blood for oil” mantra of the Bush critics because of its effect upon dialogue perhaps you can see the upside of a global effort to keep the planet habitable despite your scepticism about whether such change is necessary.

If this was strictly a green Democrat party thing the Waxman-Markey energy bill would not favor the coal industry over the less well-funded natural gas lobby. Natural gas is the cleanest burning non-renewable we have and our reserves are significant. But again that’s politics.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

” It’s a BIG, slow moving engine. And we have mere glimpses of it.”

I agree, CS. My point, and DDs I believe, is that we are learning more about this engine at an accelerated rate. And what we learn seems to alarm many, if not most, of those most knowledgable on the subject.
I’m not ready to run outside shouting THE SKY IS FALLING! I do think we should place an extremely high priority on the observation and study of global climate, however. We can’t afford to fvck this up.

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

“But what’s the greater danger: Ignoring a real threat or overreacting to an exaggerated threat?”

This is my bottom line. Thanks, adlib. Overreacting to an exaggerated threat WILL have some upside-perhaps considerable economic upside.
I do not see any upside to ignoring a real threat.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

“But what’s the greater danger: Ignoring a real threat or overreacting to an exaggerated threat?”

Didn’t we go through this just a few short years ago?

How’d that work out?

adlib says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

How’d that work out?

I guess the hawks crying wolf made the whole notion of clear and present danger a non sequitor foreverore. Much like D2′s ubiquitous “people should be outraged” tag line for every little tale he posts on the BQ renders that phrase trite.

I guess how it worked out was to make Americans afraid to house Guantanamo detainees on American soil yet complacent about a much larger danger. When the “global cooling” interlude ends in a few years and we resume the march towards an increasingly hot climate will the memory of cooler than usual summers keep us happy? Or will we wish we’d started sooner on what we’d be lucky to accomplish even starting now?

monty says:

September 28th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

“Didn’t we go through this just a few short years ago?

How’d that work out?”

Go through what? Kyoto? Nothing has been done in this country. Now China and India say they are all in. Do we have the cojones to step up to the plate too? It’s gonna suck economically if we have to play catch up, ya know.

SgtPendleton says:

September 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am

Wasn’t it deep throat who said follow the money?

Who’s benefitting from global warming? Al Gore? Alternative energy start ups?

Who’s benefitting from denying global warming? All the big energy companies and the Saudis.

Al Gore’s movie got all the attention, but what gets little to no attention is the billions of dollars spent every year by the oil companies to convince people that buying and burning gas isn’t harmful to the environment. That’s just on communications and advertising — not counting the lobbyists. It’s stupid to keep pursuing this finite energy source — global warming or not.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:17 am

“but what gets little to no attention is the billions of dollars spent every year by the oil companies to convince people that buying and burning gas isn’t harmful to the environment.”

I didnt know that, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:17 am

I don’t think that Chicago beat down is getting enough air time. I just wonder why that is. Why don’t we cover all the gang killings in our big cities so more Americans are exsposed to what going on.

The you say “oh Tiny there he goes blaming Democrats for gang killings because they run most of the big cities in America”

But after you get done saying that read this. From Chicago:

“Last year, 32 school-age children were killed, a record,”

32 ….. 32 I was shocked. 32 kids under 18. I can’t imagine this happening yet I’ll bet that number suprizes more then just me.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am

I’ve never heard anyone call the oil companies ‘The Bad Guys’. Imagine my shock this morning to learn they actually lobby congress!

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am

“Sept. 24 (Bloomberg) — The FDIC’s insurance fund is going broke, and Sheila Bair is wondering aloud about how to replenish it. This means one thing for taxpayers: Watch your wallets.”

Dont worry, the UST will just issue more debt and the Fed will buy it.

Does it bother anyone elese that the Fed’s balance sheet has become a dumping ground?

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am

“I don’t think that Chicago beat down is getting enough air time. I just wonder why that is. Why don’t we cover all the gang killings in our big cities so more Americans are exsposed to what going on.”

Anderson Cooper spent more time on this last night than Afghanistan. Does that count as adequate coverage Tiny?

Tiny bulbs says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am

“Anderson Cooper spent more time on this last night than Afghanistan. Does that count as adequate coverage Tiny?”

No

I don’t believe it made the number 11 news last night.

No I’m talking about Tom Foley, Valerie Plame, lost ammunition type coverage.
I don’t believe you have reach the “media study” level Mark to be able distinguish between 1 Anderson Copper ( don’t let the last name fool Ya Vanderbilt )story and “pound it in the dirt” stories.

Have you not been paying attention to Tiny all these years?

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am

“Have you not been paying attention to Tiny all these years?”

I have. You’ve just been swiming in the deep end more than usual lately.

להקיא says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:17 am

All you common sense non-extremist people can’t get excited about anything urgent can you? You’re not denialists, you’re just undecided. Give it 50 years for definite proof before we take any serious countermeasures and let’s see what happens.

Oh, I’m definitely decided on the issue, which results from having studied, as a high schooler, greenhouse gasses and how they warm a planet. That was around 1980-81.

Yet, I have the Downtown Dans of the world labeling me a denier because I won’t belch out a standard party line.
Nobody has ever bothered to ask me what I do favor or don’t in regards to the environment.

I hear plenty of talk about “serious countermeasures”, some of them more alarming than the problem itself. I hear almost nothing from the alarmists about serious consequences resulting from any botched attempts ast fixing the environment.

What makes you think that while we were stupid enough to cause global warming, we’re somehow capable of fixing it without screwing it up? If it’s really a matter of human survival, then I can’t think of a better reason to move forward with extreme caution, and avoid panic stricken countermeasures.

Downtown Dan says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:25 am

Yet, I have the Downtown Dans of the world labeling me a denier because I won’t belch out a standard party line.

No, you have the Downtown Dans of the world labeling you a denier because you only bother to take issue with those fighting the deniers, who you seem quick to defend.

Funny how that works.

להקיא says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am

Same link.

No link from a solar astronomer?

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am

“By painting this a political issue you’re effectively helping to dissipate the momentum necessary for change.”

Give me a break. It IS a political issue and, It is not the non extremists making it that way Adlib. Its party loyalists. I dont feel I need to shed a tear everytime I change my light bulb to a compact flourecent, I do it for the cost benefit, so I guess Im a moderate on the issue. But you’re not paying attention or dont get the fact that both parties use it to their advantage.

Its the people in charge that promise you this or that to get elected and then dont do a damn thing about it or do just enough to keep you loyal. Thats not the non extremists.

להקיא says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:33 am

I’m not ready to run outside shouting THE SKY IS FALLING! I do think we should place an extremely high priority on the observation and study of global climate, however. We can’t afford to fvck this up.

להקיא pinches himself, and sighs with relief.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am

“No, you have the Downtown Dans of the world labeling you a denier because you only bother to take issue with those fighting the deniers, who you seem quick to defend.”

Its the self righteousness thats so off putting. Stupidity on the other hand can be laughed at and or dismissed.

Being a zero tolerance is a heavy burden to carry isnt it Dan?

להקיא says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:38 am

No, you have the Downtown Dans of the world labeling you a denier because you only bother to take issue with those fighting the deniers, who you seem quick to defend.

I only bother to take issue with loudmouths that think they have a stranglehold on scientific literacy.

Fixed it.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:49 am

Heres how dumb downed we’ve gotten on this “Green” thing. Now you wonder how the Nazis took over Germany. This is pronounced as a BIG DEAL!

“According to estimates by the Vikings and Xcel Energy, the initiative will eliminate the carbon emissions of electricity used by nearly 32 homes over a yearlong period.”

ww.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/units.html

69,865,957 homes in America.

So lets have some fun and worked the percentage on these 35 homes.

0.00005072463768115942%

Oh my Lord the Vikings are doing their part.

God help us.

PS
Dan turned my heat on by the way 9/28/09

Downtown Dan says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am

Give me a break. It IS a political issue

Just as evolution is? Just as the age of the Earth is?

Downtown Dan says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Stupidity on the other hand can be laughed at and or dismissed.

Or in להקיא’s case, encouraged.

Downtown Dan says:

September 29th, 2009 at 10:08 am

Dan turned my heat on by the way 9/28/09

Not me. I filled our walls with high efficiency foam insulation. I don’t expect to turn our heat on for another month, if even then.

Though I’m sure the utility companies appreciate your contribution.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 10:34 am

“NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Wall Street will celebrate a not-so-happy anniversary on Tuesday.
A year ago on Sept. 29, the Dow Jones industrial average suffered its worst point drop in history, plummeting nearly 778 points, after the House of Representatives rejected the first draft of the $700 billion financial rescue plan. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq each plunged about 9% that day.
Of course, the controversial Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, ultimately wound up passing the House a few days later after the Senate approved a modified bill

(Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Senate passed a $700 billion financial-market rescue package loaded with inducements for the House of Representatives to approve the measure following its rejection of an earlier version.)

Some politicians who initially voted against the bailout even attributed fears of another big sell-off as a reason for changing their minds.”

There is an interesting 1 year anniversary today. However, what really happened is probably not the way people like True Blue remember it. Shocking to look back and recall that the first time TARP was voted on, 95 democrats in the House voted against it. It took a second bill in the Senate loaded up with goodies and the largest one day drop in the DOW’s history to get the bill through the house a second time. In True Blue Land, the Dems didn’t play politics in the hour of crisis. They acted in a totally altruistic, honorable manner. They stepped up and saved the banking system out of the kindness of their hearts, in the interest of the nation without any incentives or prodding whatsoever and all with no help from the Republicans.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am

“Just as evolution is? Just as the age of the Earth is?”

You have to ask?

להקיא says:

September 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am

Or in להקיא’s case, encouraged

I make a post which doesn’t conform to someone’s standard of alarmism, encouraging them to have a Pavlovian response in the form of a long cut and paste from skepticalscience.com.

I do believe you’re correct on this one.

monty says:

September 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am

“There is an interesting 1 year anniversary today”

Along similar lines, there is a good editorial in the strib today on Glass-Stegall:

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/62455207.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:U0ckkD:aEyKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

Tiny bulbs says:

September 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am

““According to estimates by the Vikings and Xcel Energy, the initiative will eliminate the carbon emissions of electricity used by nearly 32 homes over a yearlong period”

35 homes 0.00005072463768115942% of all homes in America.

Any one word in that sentence strike you as funny. At the very least it really degrades it.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 11:51 am

“Any one word in that sentence strike you as funny.”

used?

stevek says:

September 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

“Heres how dumb downed we’ve gotten”

vote obama and the euthenasiacrats … they have electrolytes

dubble_a_ron says:

September 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Hey, what happened to the post about the conservachick calendar? Someone say something nasty?

monty says:

September 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Seemed pretty tame when I was over there earlier, dar. I notice there’s a post from DD that is gone now from this thread too.

SgtPendleton says:

September 29th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Did that entire Bachmann/Conservative calendar thread get deleted? Wow.

Here’s yet another piece from Pat Buchanan supporting Obama’s strategy on Iraq:

America’s twin goals here are correct, compatible and by no means unattainable: no nukes in Iran, no war with Iran.

Bombing would unite that divided country behind a regime whose repressed people detest far more than we, as they have to live under it. Patience and perseverance, as in the Cold War, may be rewarded with the disintegration of a state that is today divided against itself.

We outlasted the Red czars. We will outlast the ayatollahs.

Downtown Dan says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

vote obama and the

How dumb are some people? Two words: Sarah Palin

parthian says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Have we had the first BQ censorship in history with the (now deleted) post on Darlin Michele pin-up collection?

I thought she wanted the notoriety of being a supa-hot celeb conservachick. (thanks AA!) Go figure.

monty says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

“Two words: Sarah Palin”

Sarah Palin: Going Rouge

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

“WASHINGTON – The Senate Finance Committee has voted against creating a new government health insurance plan to compete with the private market.

The 15-to-8 vote could forecast the fate of the public option in the Senate as a whole. The outcome was expected but still a defeat for liberals who view government-sponsored insurance for the middle class as a key component of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul.

Five committee Democrats, including Chairman Max Baucus, joined with all 10 committee Republicans to defeat the measure by Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia.”

Somewhere, True Blue is gently weeping into his stuffed Donkey.

Tell me True, were the Democrats putting country over politics during a crisis this time too?

dubble_a_ron says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

You know, I bet the post on the calendar got deleted because of a copyright infringement concern.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

You’d think they’d check on a thing like that wouldn’t you?

SgtPendleton says:

September 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Sarah Palin: Going Rouge

Is that “rouge” that rhymes with pogue, or “roozh”, like the make up?

monty says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

The make up. She just released her memoir-”Going Rogue: An American Life”-and I just moved the “g” around.

monty says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Actually, it hasn’t been released yet. She finished it. It’ll come out in November.

parthian says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Well, the 5 corporate Dems on Finance were putting campaign contributions over country, at least.

And what percent of the Repubs opposed the public option? Oh yeah, 100%. But of course we don’t expect ANY of them ever to do anything for the good of the country, so they get a pass.

As for a possible copyright problem with the censored post, if true, I wonder who exactly informed the calendar producer about a meaningless post at BQ?

Greg 63 says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

“As for a possible copyright problem with the censored post, if true, I wonder who exactly informed the calendar producer about a meaningless post at BQ? ”

D2′s brain ..

D1.

Greg 63 says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

“Actually, it hasn’t been released yet. She finished it. It’ll come out in November. ”

Masturbation will be up that month in Big Lake.

להקיא says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

As for a possible copyright problem with the censored post…

That’s a lot of speculation. I’m going with the poster is a computer illiterate putz theory.

Deacon Blues says:

September 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

“And what percent of the Repubs opposed the public option? Oh yeah, 100%. But of course we don’t expect ANY of them ever to do anything for the good of the country, so they get a pass.”

Yep, as expected. That’s why it’s not a shock. And they don’t get a pass. Republicans continue to marginalize themselves and it requires no elaboration. However, they are doing what their constituents want aren’t they? The Dems on other hand continue to shaft their constituents, with the old bait and switch.

I was so inspired by TB’s words about the Dems putting country over personal gain in the face of a crisis (even though we all new that was bull sh:t) you can imagine my surprise to see the Dems casting the deciding votes that killed the public option.

Commence the splitting of hairs.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

““According to estimates by the Vikings and Xcel Energy, the initiative will eliminate the carbon emissions of electricity used by nearly 32 homes over a yearlong period”

“Any one word in that sentence strike you as funny. At the very least it really degrades it.”

“initiative”

initiative counts even when its 0.00005072463768115942% of all homes in America. Listen China just took those 35 houses for their own. This
“initiative” is Bullllllllllll Sh^tttttttt

Downtown Dan says:

September 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

“initiative”

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:26 am

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Somebody had Chinese food last night.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

Thai.

Deacon Blues says:

September 30th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

Thai stick you mean.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

Jealous.

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