Coleman’s Bachmann pitch: Minnesotans denied a ‘fair vote’ last November

September 29th, 2009 – 3:05 PM by Kevin Diaz

Democrats are positively a titter at a new fundraising appeal for U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann signed by deposed Senator Norm Coleman, a potential GOP gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota.  Nearing the end of the third-quarter reporting period for raising campaign cash, Bachmann and others are pulling out all stops to post good numbers, impress potential donors, and scare off the opposition. Coleman’s letter raises the specter of a nation ill-led by “President Obama, Senator Franken and Nancy Pelosi.”  Democrats want nothing more, he suggests, than to “defeat Michele Bachmann and replace her with a Nancy Pelosi/Al Franken knock-off.” That’s two quick shots at Franken, the Democrat who now sits in Coleman’s old Senate office. Wait, make that three, with the suggestion that Bachmann’s opposition funding comes “from the same people who bankrolled Al Franken’s race against me and his legal battle to deny honest Minnesotans a fair vote last November.” Those people, in Coleman’s accounting of his 312-vote loss to Franken, don’t live in Minnesota. Rather, they have something more to do with “the liberal netroots in places like San Francisco, Manhattan and Vermont.”

Coleman wasn’t available Tuesday to elaborate. Nor were any of his spokespeople, or those in the press shops at the Republican National Committee and the National Republican Congressional Committee, the folks who are supposed to see to it that Bachmann gets reelected. Bachmann, for her part, issued her own apppeal to supporters, highlighting the fact that “Democrats have me on their list of TOP 8 GOP TARGETS TO DEFEAT!” (Emphasis hers).
Some critics, meanwhile, are wondering how all this positions Coleman in the political future. Wrote an administrator at the checksandbalances web site: “Where is the ‘moderate’ Norm Coleman?”

757 Responses to "Coleman’s Bachmann pitch: Minnesotans denied a ‘fair vote’ last November"

parthian says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

What happened to the prior Darlin’ Michele post about the Conserva-Babe 2010 calendar?

Greg 63 says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

They should do a conserva-cougar with Peggy Noonan ..

she’s a nice lookin’ lady and has smarts.

Bachman and Palin just get ugly everytime they open their mouths ..

and that is NOT a turn-on.

SgtPendleton says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

Yeah, what’s up with that Kevin?

Oh well, looks like Darlin Michele’s people are putting words in ol Norm’s mouth. Sounds like they neglected to clear it with Norm before sending it out! Whoops!

Poor Jim – the incompetence of MB’s organization must be staggaring at times. It sucks having a schmendrik like MB representing you.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

If I were Coleman and Pawlenty I would be very reluctant to align myself with Bachmann.

parthian says:

September 29th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

As for the absurd lies contained in this fundraising letter by Horse Dentures Norm to rabid Bachmannistaners, that’s just passing out liva-snaps to dimwitted doggies.

What else could one expect when the GOoP is seeking to separate a “conservative” from some of his cash? I can’t believe Norm’s letter didn’t use the words soc*alism and/or communism.

Stop the demonic lib’rul Vermonters from takin’ over Minnesota! Today Montpelier, tomorrow St Paul! Only Darlin’ Michele can save us! Give, brother Bachmannistaner, give!!

SgtPendleton says:

September 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

Here’s one of my favorite Peggy Noonan tweets:

“Am being asked if this is the same PN that writes for the WSJ. Answer: Yes”

Dora says:

September 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

the piopress had an interesting series about the recount. Coleman’s lawyers knew before they filed the recount lawsuit that he didn’t have the votes. Their only hope was to get already counted ballots thrown out which even they admitted was an extremely slim longshot. They knew they lost when the judges ruled they had to show that ballots met the requirements in the law to be counted. Which means it was as suspected only to delay Franken from being sworn in for as long as possible.

adlib says:

September 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

“Coleman’s lawyers knew before they filed the recount lawsuit that he didn’t have the votes.”

I haven’t seen Fritz Knaack on public TV’s Almanac since before the election contest. I wonder if he remains embattled or is he instead a bit sheepish about answering the obvious questions? Being partisan as everyone knows is a full time job.

SgtPendleton says:

September 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Wow, even Perez Hilton’s found out about the Conserva-chick calendar:

We can guarantee 12 months of erection-free living if you purchase this gem: The 2010 Great American Conservative Women Calendar!

O.T. says:

September 29th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

Welcome to the Bachmann Question blog. No wonder this toilet paper is having trouble finding people to buy an issue of their rag.

adlib says:

September 29th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Democrats want nothing more, he suggests, than to “defeat Michele Bachmann and replace her with a Nancy Pelosi/Al Franken knock-off.”

That’s not exactly how I’d characterize MB’s likely opponent in the general election. But then Norm still think’s he’s prettier than Al.

http://tarrylclark.com/

monty says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:13 am

“Welcome to the Bachmann Question blog”

Good point, OT, although this Coleman/Bachamnn fundraising pitch is newsworthy(and chuckle-worthy). Like you, however, I tire of the seemingly ceaseless Bachmann-mania.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:46 am

Like you, however, I tire of the seemingly ceaseless Bachmann-mania.

Everybody likes to rubberneck train wrecks.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am

Conservative women vs. liberal women.

1) D2 thinks Bachmann is hot.
2) Sarge thinks Klobuchar is hot.

It’s a close race.

3) TrueBlue thinks Krugman is hot.
4) Just hearing the name Perez Hilton
guarantees no tumescence for a year.

Sorry, but the conservatives take the checkered flag.

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am

Welcome to the Bachmann Question blog. No wonder this toilet paper is having trouble finding people to buy an issue of their rag.

You don’t seem to have a problem reading and posting here O.D.

She makes statements to raise her profile nationally — it’s her M.O. — so she’s doing this to herself. People love hearing and reading about ridiculous and ill-informed politicians — it’s newsworthy.

I find it so funny that these guys QQ (i.e. whine and complain) about the Strib, yet they visit the website frequently — which of course generates money for the Strib and makes it more viable. Don’t like it? Go post with the other wingnuts at Newsbusters.

MnMerf says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am

The entire WORLD nows how corrupt Coleman and Bachmann are. Bachmann incites damaged minds to “lock and load” “slit your wrists” break laws like the census program, etc! Bachmann recently spoke to a crowd and invited Ron Paul to join her. After the event Paul fully disclosed that the reason the neo-cons are FINALLY AKNOWLEDGING him and do not poo poo him is because THEY NEED HIS MONEY AND CONSITUENCY! They are a dying breed and know it. I hold Michele Bachmann FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the recent violent MURDER of census worker. As far as Norm Coleman, he will NEVER serve in office in Minnesota again!!!

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am

The ceaseless Bachmann-mania is almost certainly what Darlin’ Michele wants. It’s another avenue for her fundraising from wingnut extremists across the country.

She entered politics because she thought it was a way to achieve celebrity status, with photo shoots and flashing cameras and appearances before rabid fans and complicit celebrity puffball “interviewers”. Now she’s gone national, just as the Dump Bachmann folks predicted she would.

She thinks it’s fun and funny to be an outrageous “conservative” buffoon, spouting the most authoritarian extremist positions imaginable. Don’t be surprised if she starts referring to a possible military coup underway against Obama–because some unhinged right wing nutcase has a “column” out today advocating that as “patriotic”.

Darlin’ Michele certainly has no actual interest in rational public policy and she certainly isn’t a serious person. Her colleagues have never taken her seriously as a legislator, although the males ones may view her as a serious “babe”.

And that’s fine with her, as her daily get-up and her interest in something as deeply ridiculous as Conservachick Calendar 2010 makes clear.

Why do you think she was the only elected official in the Conservachick calendar? Even Birdbrain PALIN had more sense? Darlin’ Michele never progressed beyond the Mean Cheerleader phase of emotional and intellectual development.

But the nitwits of Bachmannistan can’t see this basic reality, so media Darlin’ Michele is on our TV and video screens preening and hair-flipping away. The perfect spokeswoman for a movement of abject morons.

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:12 am

Who else was whining about the “dangers” of holding terrorists in Federal prisons–2Dim and Tiny I believe.

A dozen generals and admirals think Liz and Dick Cheney are scaremongering people.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27705.html

Here’s my favorite quote:

“Can you imagine getting a terrorist from Guantanamo convicted and put in a federal penitentiary in your town?’ [General David] Maddox asked. ‘Have you ever checked who the hell’s in there already? Have any of them gotten out? The person who we’re putting in is probably a heck of lot less dangerous than most of them who are already in there.”

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am

“a nation ill-led by “President Obama, Senator Franken and Nancy Pelosi.””

Maybe. But if McCain had won the election we would be allowing Georgia into NATO and building a bogus missle site in Czech and Poland. Both having no strategic value to the united states. McCains stand on the expansion of NATO to the former Soviet republics is stupidededly dangerous.

“BRUSSELS – Georgia’s attack on its breakaway South Ossetia region marked the start of last year’s war with Russia, which retaliated with excessive force, an EU-commissioned report said Wednesday.”

“The report on the five-day war in August 2008 lay blame on both sides, but cited Georgia as starting the conflict with its night shelling in South Ossetia — an act it said was not justifiable under international law.”

dubble_a_ron says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:17 am

” I hold Michele Bachmann FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the recent violent MURDER of census worker. ”

If you hold a paper bag over your face it will help with the hyperventilating.
Bachmann’s prone to irrespnsible utterances, sure, but we don’t even know at this point what motivated the census worker’s killer. Get a grip. My money says it was some tweaked-out meth cook who’s never even heard of Bachmann and who woulda killed a census worker when Bush was in office too.

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:20 am

Two retired Marine generals (including a Centcom commander) recently denounced Cheney and his torture regime as well, SgtP, in an editorial in the Miama Herald.

Cheney was the criminally insane official behind almost all of Bushco’s serial lawbreaking, and he really needs to have to explain himself before a jury.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:23 am

“1) D2 thinks Bachmann is hot.
2) Sarge thinks Klobuchar is hot.”

Bachmann, skin tight spandex…no.. black leather with whip and stilettos. And sex toys. lots of sex toys and ball gag.

Deacon Blues says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:25 am

“We can guarantee 12 months of erection-free living if you purchase this gem: The 2010 Great American Conservative Women Calendar!”

No dudes on the calender for Perez.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:25 am

“Cheney was the criminally insane official behind almost all of Bushco’s serial lawbreaking, and he really needs to have to explain himself before a jury.”

No attack on US soil since 9-11. That about explains it.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:27 am

MSNBC “Oh I don’t see what the problem is. He can read and work on the plane”

I just about died.

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:28 am

McFool would also be dragging us into a war with Iran right now had he been elected, GO—and so would every other Repub candidate.

Until there is some massive reform of that crazed party of militarist lunatics, they can never be trusted with the executive branch ever again.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:28 am

No attack on US soil since 9-11. That about explains it.

Anthrax.

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:29 am

Ooops, Ron Paul would perhaps not be trying to gin up a war with Iran.

Sorry.

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:29 am

McCains stand on the expansion of NATO to the former Soviet republics is stupidededly dangerous.

It’s a 20th century idea – that “Russia” needs to be contained.

…and if Georgia tried taking back the “contested” territories, we’d be required to go to war with Russia, in support of Georgian aggression.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:30 am

“” I hold Michele Bachmann FULLY RESPONSIBLE for the recent violent MURDER of census worker. ””

I don’t think anything been proven yet. Remember the retired guy with the pizza neck bomb. People who kill themseleves sometimes aren’t in their right mind.

So why on the left are they screaming about this.

If its been proven to be a Rightwing Nutcase please provide a link

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:34 am

“McFool would also be dragging us into a war with Iran right now had he been elected, GO—and so would every other Repub candidate.”

Parth,
I think right Obama is getting alot of “push me shove you” from all sides to do somthing before Israel does.

Being unemployed I am glad the Dems are in charge. The Repubs aren’t as kind about giving benefit extensions.

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am

“That about explains it”

If Cheney wants to assert that as his “defense”, he can. Let the jury decide.

The important point is that he cannot be permitted to have ceaselessly advocated for and clearly broken US law with impunity.

But it does demonstrate how Law ‘n Order “conservatives” really feel about the rule of law. It’s for the little people, not Der Fuhrer. Pathetic monarchist-lovin’ bedwetters that the Founders would be disgusted with.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am

“Anthrax.”

Domestic looney. Should we also call the shootings at Viginia Tech a post 9-11 attack?

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:43 am

With a non-insane prez in office, I don’t think anyone is going to be bombing Iran, GO. That was one of the (many) huge benefits in electing Obama.

Israel is seriously pissing off the Obama admin right now, and its game of trying to point the finger at Iran is just misdirection from its absolute refusal to stop building West bank settlements. And we’re hip to the game.

Israel can’t wipe its *ss without our approval, and the world is well aware of that.

Deacon Blues says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:44 am

“That about explains it.”

Read, got lucky.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am

Who else was whining about the “dangers” of holding terrorists in Federal prisons

What is also funny is that many hardcore prisoners are strangely patriotic ala D2. Any terrorists are probably going to wind up in ad-seg for their own safety.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:01 am

“Read, got lucky.”

Could be.
truth commission. Lay it all out and lets see who and what exactly prevented what. Whatever happened to that commission? Did the Dems balk because of what it might reveal their complicity? Or is it because it might reveal success stories?

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:03 am

Should we also call the shootings at Viginia Tech a post 9-11 attack?

Ever been to Viginia? The place is a hole.

I do remember reading on the lefty site alternet.com that V-Tech was Bush’s fault.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am

No attack on US soil since 9-11.

They never did catch the perp, did they.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:06 am

Israel is seriously pissing off the Obama admin right now, and its game of trying to point the finger at Iran is just misdirection from its absolute refusal to stop building West bank settlements. And we’re hip to the game.

Yeah, the combination of Holocaust denial and threats of annihilation have nothing at all to do with it.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am

“They never did catch the perp, did they.”

Out sourcing the Tora Bora hunt for Obama was not a good idea.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:12 am

“Israel can’t wipe its *ss without our approval, and the world is well aware of that.”

Yet they have no trouble wiping arab arse.

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:20 am

Out sourcing the Tora Bora hunt for Obama was not a good idea.

Osama, not Obama! LOL.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:22 am

“Osama, not Obama! LOL.”

Ha, oops.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am

GO is in funny typo mode.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:29 am

GO is in funny typo mode.

And it cun’t be explained.

Deacon Blues says:

September 30th, 2009 at 11:13 am

“Did the Dems balk because of what it might reveal their complicity? Or is it because it might reveal success stories?”

Both.

dubble_a_ron says:

September 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am

Some typos arsen’t funny, or maybe they are, depending on one’s perspective and mindset.

Especially when made in a pubic forum.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 11:25 am

“Spanking Linked to Lower IQ Scores”

“The spanking haggle has a lengthy history in scientific research, and two new studies that suggest children who are spanked have lower IQ’s than those who aren’t is likely to reignite the debate yet again.”

Globull Warming Enthusiasts have disproportionately been spanked as children? Film at 11:00.

Tiny bulbs says:

September 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am

“Dakota County inmate charged with assault in fight over TV channels”

“Change that channel and I’ll kick your @ss”

Tiny bulbs says:

September 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am

“Dakota County inmate charged with assault in fight over TV channels”

“Turn it back to the Cartoon Network or I’ll kick your @ss”

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

Here it is parthian — the “military coup” piece, written by John L. Perry(aka Douchebagger Vance) — yet another bonehead that assumes the military is as wingnutty as he.

Looks like they pulled it off Newsmax after it generated sufficient buzz.

http://wonkette.com/411356/important-newsmax-writer-calls-for-military-coup-gets-censored

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

“fight over TV channels”

You either love Glenn Lunabeck or you hate him! Think of being forced to listen to such vile sh*t as an intelligent person.

Thanks for the link, SgtP—as I said before, the democracy-hating American Right (such as Darlin’ Michele) is only on board with elections if a member of Tribe Conservative wins, otherwise, their talk turns immediately to “Revolution!”, “Water the tree of liberty!” and “patriotic military coups!” Sick and utterly anti-patriotic.

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

And how frequently were you spanked, GO?

Just for the record, of course….

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

And how frequently were you spanked, GO?

I’m not sure I really want to know that.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

“And how frequently were you spanked, GO?”

till the gerbil got a nose bleed.

GO lonoscopy says:

September 30th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Just for the record, of course….

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

According to several popular children’s ghost stories books, centuries ago Dick Cheney created another in the image of himself. He called it “Liz,” for he liked to draw out the zzzz and allow the vibrations produced by the humans’ language tickle his tongue-organ.

According to legend, when little boys and girls don’t listen to their parents, the Liz Monster will emerge from the bowels of hell to waterboard them to death, or until they produce actionable intelligence.

WELL: Everyone must have been on their absolute worst behavior lately, as the Liz Monster has materialized to not-torture us all!

Cheney has come armed with a website, which somehow doesn’t even exist. To regain the energy-power she loses in maintaining what appears to be the daguerreotype of a website, she engages in excruciating banter with Michelle Malkin. Specifically, this involves Cheney and Malkin calling one another “sister”—despite the existence of Cheney’s actual sister, an ineffective horcrux whom everyone likes to call “Mary” with varying degrees of irony. Beware the Sirens’ song:

“Hey sister!” the conservative columnist Michelle Malkin greeted Ms. Cheney. They posed for pictures and air-kissed. Ms. Malkin proclaimed herself a “fan girl” and told Ms. Cheney she was “doing a great job out there.”

Working with only a Yahoo account, Ms. Cheney has been fielding dozens of speaking and interview requests a month, accepting many. (She declined to be interviewed for this article, saying she was uncomfortable with a story focused on her rather than her policy beliefs.) She is scheduled to appear at fund-raisers for Republican candidates through the rest of the year, and is a co-founder of a Web site, KeepAmericaSafe.com, that is scheduled to go online next month as a forum, resource and publication devoted to hawkish conservative views.

And what’s more: Liz Cheney might run for office instead of slithering back into the Matrix, like the Bible predicts her doing. Until then, she leaves only the unreal website KeepAmericaSafe.com as a horrific warning to naughty children of what fate awaits them across the undergloom.

-Wonkette

dubble_a_ron says:

September 30th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

huh?

monty says:

September 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

I’m just curious what makes Liz Cheney an authority whose opinion carries any weight concerning prisoners at Guantanamo? ‘Cause her dad told her so?

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

She was in the Foreign Service. I worked with people who had worked with her in the early-90s at USAID.

She’s bright – used to be a moderate back in the day, but that’s where the most virulent Neocons come from, and she’s one of them.

parthian says:

September 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

I’d say that KeepAmericaSafe.com=KeepDaddyOutaJail.com

Of couse little Lizzie Cheney has tons of speaking engagements—this is America, land of nepotism, especially on the Right.

להקיא says:

September 30th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/62737172.html?page=2&c=y

COPENHAGEN, Denmark — In speech after rousing speech at the United Nations summit on global warming last week, politicians emphasized the need to protect the world’s most vulnerable, who will be hit hardest by climate change. The rhetoric did little to disguise an awful truth: If we continue on our current path, we are likely to harm the world’s poorest much more than we help them.

Urged on by environmental activists, many politicians are vowing to make carbon cuts designed to keep expected temperature rises under 3.6 degrees (2 degrees Celsius). Yet it is nearly impossible for these promises to be fulfilled.

Japan’s commitment in June to cut greenhouse gas levels 8 percent from its 1990 levels by 2020 was scoffed at for being far too little. Yet for Japan — which has led the world in improving energy efficiency — to have any hope of reaching its target, it needs to build nine new nuclear power plants, construct more than 1 million new wind turbines, install solar panels on nearly 3 million homes, double the percentage of new homes that meet rigorous insulation standards and increase sales of “green” vehicles from 4 percent to 50 percent of its auto purchases.

Japan’s new prime minister was roundly lauded this month for promising a much stronger reduction, 25 percent, even though there is no obvious way to deliver on his promise. Expecting Japan, or any other nation, to achieve such far-fetched cuts is simply delusional.

O.T. says:

September 30th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

It is truly sad when France’s leader is more of a man than the American President:

Nicolas Sarkozy was furious with Barack Obama for his adolescent warbling about a world without nuclear weapons at a meeting Mr. Obama chaired of the United Nations Security Council last Thursday (9/24).

“We must never stop until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of the earth,” President Obama said.

What infuriated President Sarkozy was that at the time Mr. Obama said those words, Mr. Obama knew the mullahs in Iran had a secret nuclear weapons development site, and he didn’t call them on it.

‘President Obama dreams of a world without weapons…but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite,” Mr. Sarkozy said.

“Iran since 2005 has flouted five Security Council resolutions,” Mr. Sarkozy said. “North Korea has been defying Council resolutions since 1993.”

“What good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community?” he asked rhetorically. “More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe out a UN member state off the map.”

Tiny bulbs says:

September 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

Go you’re Sofa King dumb!

Greg 63 says:

September 30th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

“Go you’re Sofa King dumb! ”

Come on .. his comments take alot of thought ..

or something.

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

It is truly sad when France’s leader is more of a man than the American President:

Oh Mr. Manny Manlihood O.D. knows all about being a macho manly man, doesn’t he?

Yeah, cuz a real man would never promote peace like a total wuss. We’d bomb the sh1t out of Iran like they deserve, and all those other Middle-east fags just for lookin at us the wrong way. And never apologize for anything, even if you’re wrong, cuz that’s a sign of weakness. Don’t mess with the USA baby YEAH!!!

Peace is for pussies. Just ask Dick Cheney.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

Expecting Japan, or any other nation, to achieve such far-fetched cuts is simply delusional.

Germany plans to boost the percentage of electricity generated by renewable resources to 45 percent by 2030 in a bid to curb global warming, environment minister Sigmar Gabriel said Thursday. Gabriel told reporters that a progress report on a renewable energy law passed in 2000 showed that the country had already surpassed the quota of 12.5 percent set for 2010. He said Berlin was now setting a more ambitious target to produce at least 20 percent of electricity used in the country with renewable resources such as wind and solar power by 2020 and 45 percent by 2030.

The European Union set a goal in March of a 20-percent cut in greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 compared with 1990 levels, but Germany is aiming to cut up to 40 percent.

Gabriel said Germany had prevented 100 million tonnes of carbon dioxide from being spewed into the atmosphere last year thanks to renewable energy sources, adding that there were now 214,000 jobs in fields such as wind and solar power.

http://www.metaefficient.com/renewable-power/45-renewable-energy-for-germany-by-2030.html

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.–Lars Josefsson is the CEO of an electricity utility and a self-described climate activist.

He leads Vattenfall, a Swedish state-owned utility that has set a goal of making its power generation carbon-neutral by 2050. He delivered the opening keynote address at the MIT Energy Conference here on Saturday.

The company is on a path to reducing its carbon emissions by 3 percent from 2008 to 2010. It projects that it can cut emissions by 50 percent from 1990 levels by 2030 by investing in offshore wind, ocean power, biomass, new nuclear power, and carbon storage at fossil fuel plants, Josefsson said. Those same technologies will allow it to hit its carbon-neutral target by 2050.

h – ttp://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10191202-54.html

“Expecting the internal combustion engine to replace the horse and buggy in 20 years is simply delusional. It will never be cost effective.”
- Buggy Whip Industry Spokesman

dare2sayit.com says:

September 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

“It is truly sad when France’s leader is more of a man than the American President”

Germany’s leader Angela Merkel is more of a man than Barry Obama.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

Speaking of Obama, I went to a Chinese Buffet in South Dakota today and they served Chicken Balls.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

Little Orphan Anne is more of a man than D2.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 30th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

“or something.”

Real world experience.

Downtown Dan says:

September 30th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Little Orphan Anne is more of a man than D2 .

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

September 30th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

“Little Orphan Anne is more of a man than D2.”

Lot’s of credible proof of that!

dare2sayit.com says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Senators turn back ID requirement for immigrant healthcare:
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“Senate Finance Committee Democrats rejected a proposed a requirement that immigrants prove their identity with photo identification when signing up for federal healthcare programs.

Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said that current law and the healthcare bill under consideration are too lax and leave the door open to illegal immigrants defrauding the government using false or stolen identities to obtain benefits.

Grassley’s amendment was beaten back 10-13 on a party-line vote.”
*****************************
People should be outraged!

Greg 63 says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

“People should be outraged! ”

Sure .. let’s make sure we turn people away when they’re ill.

That oughta promote democracy.

Here’s a thought ..

consider someone with a contagious disease needing help but not willing to go for medical help …

and instead just continues on exposing others to that same health threat.

Yep .. that’s a good thing.

Unpatriotic D2 ..

What would Jesus do?

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Hey 2Dim, would you have your garbage man do your taxes for you? Because that stipulation in the bill would essentially mandate that hospital workers double as DHS employees.

It’s like the police – most non-douchenozzley cops would rather not worry about enforcing immigration law. They’d rather do what they do best, which is go after actual criminals (or in O.D.’s language “perps”), not harmless undocumented workers.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

“Yep .. that’s a good thing.”

Liberal Greg, liberals like you who have been pushing for open borders have been proven wrong. Now we’re seeing that the cost of illegal immigration is much, much greater than you claimed. Giving MILLIONS of lawbreaking border jumpers FREE healthcare at taxpayers expense will bankrupt this country.

Maybe we should start enforcing our existing laws and beefing up border security? Nah, Obama is cutting about 400 border agent positions and stopping the much needed fence construction which was already approved. Amnesty for illegals is next on his destructive agenda, and it’s attracting even more of them to these handouts.

It’s really becoming clear that Obama is TRYING to harm this country.

Goodnight all!

Greg 63 says:

September 30th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

“Liberal Greg, liberals like you who have been pushing for open borders have been proven wrong. ”

I’ve never pushed for open borders.

you’re lying .. again.

“Now we’re seeing that the cost of illegal immigration is much, much greater than you claimed.”

When did I ever claim the cost?

Another lie?

“Giving MILLIONS of lawbreaking border jumpers FREE healthcare at taxpayers expense will bankrupt this country.”

So we should just let them go without any kind of health care? Maybe just let them die?

Is that what they tell you in your church?

“Maybe we should start enforcing our existing laws and beefing up border security? Nah, Obama is cutting about 400 border agent positions and stopping the much needed fence construction which was already approved. Amnesty for illegals is next on his destructive agenda, and it’s attracting even more of them to these handouts.”

Please show us the proof of everything you’re stating.

Is there an alternative to what you say he’s trying to eliminate?

Me thinks you like to make lots of claims with no substance ..

or just make up lies ..

which is very unpatriotic.

dare2sayit.com says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

Greg,

Sorry to group you in with all the other illegal immigration loving liberals, but you have always taken a liberal stand on this issue as well as virtually every other issue (except maybe gun rights). If the shoe fits…

Again, Goodnight all!

Greg 63 says:

September 30th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

“Sorry to group you in with all the other illegal immigration loving liberals, but you have always taken a liberal stand on this issue as well as virtually every other issue (except maybe gun rights). If the shoe fits…”

Well D2 .. your shoe is that of an extremist unpatriotic liar.

You have no real solutions for our nations issues, just an ideology that you want shoved down everyone’s throats.

You’re a sad excuse for an American.

SgtPendleton says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

Giving MILLIONS of lawbreaking border jumpers FREE healthcare at taxpayers expense will bankrupt this country.

They already get it 2Dim. Hospitals have to provide care to them when they come in the emergency room, so the cost gets pushed out to consumers.

So the choices are:

A. Turn them away and let them die in front of your hospital

B. Provide them care, then get the money back through higher premiums to consumers

A is not feasible (unless you’re O.D. — he’d just as soon let them die on the street, because that’s what real men do).

So why not get them in the healtcare system? Have them pay premiums just like everyone else does? The more insured people in the system, the lower the cost to the individual consumer.

So covering them would actually LOWER costs for everyone.

Amazing what happens when you use your prefrontal cortex, isn’t it?

adlib says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

Man those canvassers for Tarry Clark
are working night and day to get a new Congressional representative for the 6th District. I’ve been called every night for the last week around supper time.

I tell the callers, “Look I’m not one who can afford to make a pledge every time my phone rings. But that dang MB gets more extreme each time she goes on television. When I’m sufficiently outraged I’ll go online to donate @…..”

http://tarrylclark.com/

adlib says:

September 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

“Globull Warming Enthusiasts have disproportionately been spanked as children?”

As the oldest brother I was spanked more often than my four younger brothers. Being trained in spanking the job of enforcement naturally got delegated to me – at least when I was on the side of all things good.

I’m not enthusiastic about global warming. Quite the opposite. If the thought of it doesn’t induce a cold sweat at least it gives me a slight chill. But if fear does not always
incapacitate a person it can be one’s best friend.

We probably can’t prevent the extinction of life as we know it on this planet. To the extent we can only slow it down that’s what we need to work on. Kind of like the AA prayer, you know? To paraphrase: “God grant me the courage to change that which I can, the serenity to accept what I can’t change, and the wisdom to know the difference”

Come to think of it there’s a lot of denialists out there that could use a spanking if they’ve never experienced one. The rationale for reform school in juvenile corrections is “needs more structure.” We could all use a little at times.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 4:38 am

So the choices are:

A. Turn them away and let them die in front of your hospital

B. Provide them care, then get the money back through higher premiums to consumers

C. Start controlling our borders and enforcing our existing immigration laws to stop encouraging the massive flood of illegals into this country.

Fixed

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 4:43 am

“tarrel clark”

Adlib, any liberal democrat who has been supporting Obama’s radical soci@list agenda will have a very tough time defeating Michele Bachmann in the 6th., even if the Hollyweird Liberal Left sends her her opponent tons of cash again.

adlib says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:40 am

“Adlib, any liberal democrat who has been supporting Obama’s radical soci@list agenda will have a very tough time defeating Michele Bachmann in the 6th.,if ONLY the Hollyweird Liberal Left sends her her opponent tons of cash again.”

There, fixed it.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:05 am

2Dim — I’ll agree that C is important. But what about the 10 million or so who are already here? It’s unrealistic to deport them.

When they get hurt, they go to the hosptial and get treated (along with all the other uninsured people). If everyone has coverage, it saves a lot of money.

So why not cover the undocumented workers, in addition to all the uninsured people? It’ll save money.

Downtown Dan says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:10 am

C. Start controlling our borders and enforcing our existing immigration laws to stop encouraging the massive flood of illegals into this country.

C. Clap louder.

Fixed.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:25 am

“Of couse little Lizzie Cheney has tons of speaking engagements—this is America, land of nepotism, especially on the Right.”

Or if your last name happens to be Kennedy.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:30 am

Hey all those Kennedys won elections to get where they are DB.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:43 am

“Hey all those Kennedys won elections to get where they are DB.”

Sure. Oh and remember Robert Kennedy as the AG?

Downtown Dan says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:00 am

Sure. Oh and remember Robert Kennedy as the AG?

Anything more recent than something from 40 years ago?

להקיא says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:10 am

It is truly sad when France’s leader is more of a man than the American President

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92126411

“Whenever someone implies that history is boring, I bring up Napoleon’s peenis,” writes Tony Perrottet, author of the new book, Napoleon’s Privates: 2,500 Years of History Unzipped.

It really draws attention, says Perrottet, who says he knows more about the French emperor’s body part than is probably healthy. But then again, Napoleon’s peenis has been an object of rumor and fascination for almost two centuries.

“It’s sort of a symbol to me of everything that’s interesting about history,” Perrottet says. “It sort of combines love and death and sex and tragedy and farce all in this one story.”

When Napoleon died in exile on the island of St. Helena in 1821, his doctor surreptitiously took his peenis during the autopsy and gave it to a priest, who smuggled it to Corsica. The priest was killed in a bizarre blood vendetta, says Perrottet, but passed it along to his family. They kept it until 1916, when a British collector got hold of it.

Perrottet says it was put on display once, in New York in 1927, and crowds turned out to see it. “It was described as being like a piece of leather or a shriveled eel,” he says.

‘A Bit Like Beef Jerky’

“The peenis had taken on quite a mythic status,” Perrottet says. “It was in a little leather presentation box, and it had been dried out in the air. It hadn’t been put in formaldehyde so it was rather the worse for wear, a bit like beef jerky.”

Perrottet says the French government had been given the opportunity to buy what might have been the most famous sexual organ in European history. France not only wouldn’t purchase it, the government wouldn’t even admit its existence, he says: “They didn’t touch the peenis. They wouldn’t have anything to do with the peenis.”

But a man Perrottet calls “perhaps the leading collector in the U.S. of strange relics” was very interested in the peenis. Interestingly, he was a urologist.

Dr. John Lattimer possessed Abraham Lincoln’s bloodstained collar and a treasure trove of items from his own idiosyncratic relationships to some of the most important historical events of the 20th century. He was an attending urologist to Nazi prisoners at the Nuremberg trials and had acquired Herman Goering’s suicide vial. He worked on the autopsy of John F. Kennedy and possessed upholstery from the president’s limousine in Dallas.

An Object Of Derision?

Lattimer bought Napoleon’s peenis to take it out of circulation, says Perrottet: “He thought that fun was being poked at it, that it was an object of derision.” Lattimer put it in a briefcase and stored it under his bed at his home in New Jersey. He refused inquiries from people who wanted to see the peenis, including Perrottet.

But after Lattimer’s death, Perrottet finally got the opportunity, when one of Lattimer’s daughters showed it to him when he wasn’t even expecting it.

“It was kind of an amazing thing to behold,” he says. “There it was: Napoleon’s peenis sitting on cotton wool, very beautifully laid out, and it was very small, very shriveled, about an inch and a half long.”

“It was like a little baby’s finger,” he says.

להקיא says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:13 am

“Expecting the internal combustion engine to replace the horse and buggy in 20 years is simply delusional. It will never be cost effective.”

Ha Ha Ha!!!

Who says fishing is a challenge?

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:33 am

“Anything more recent than something from 40 years ago?”

Yeah, Dan in the past 40 years no Kennedy has gotten to where they are because of their name. They’re democrats and democrats never leverage their family connections.

You could be a vegetable and as long as your name is Kennedy, you’re going to get into Harvard.

Downtown Dan says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:38 am

Yeah, Dan in the past 40 years no Kennedy has gotten to where they are because of their name.

Senator Carline Kennedy being a prime example. Oh, wait…

You could be a vegetable and as long as your name is Kennedy, you’re going to get into Harvard.

Harvard, sure. Ivy League schools rely on legacies to keep going.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:42 am

“Senator Carline Kennedy being a prime example. Oh, wait…”

That was going to be my next example.

I was worried you were going to try to claim democrats and Kennedys in particular all get to where they are on merit and not on the circumstances of their birth or marriage.

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:52 am

In D2′s world, choice B is incredibly expensive, while there’s absolutely no cost to choice C. Man, I wish my world was so black and white, I’d be a lot more mellow.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:10 am

“So why not cover the undocumented workers, in addition to all the uninsured people? It’ll save money.”

Then what? Do we detain and deport? Take their cash until they’re hurt, fix them and send them to their country of origin?

Sounds like a back door to amnesty. Or maybe a trial run. If it works to bail out healthcare maybe they can use the same technique to help bail out social security.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am

But then again, if they are working here ilegal or not they should be paying social security taxes. If millions of undocumented workers are already paying social security taxes and the social security fund is still threatened with insolvancy………..

you do the math

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:17 am

“If it works to bail out healthcare maybe they can use the same technique to help bail out social security.”

DING!! DING!! DING!!

Get them on the books and paying FICA. Make them pay a back tax and penalty too.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:19 am

“If millions of undocumented workers are already paying social security taxes and the social security fund is still threatened with insolvancy………..”

They arent.

להקיא says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:26 am

Get them on the books and paying FICA. Make them pay a back tax and penalty too.

That would fail to do anything about the problem of Hispanics living amongst us, which is the REAL issue of anyone that uses the term “massive flood of illegals”.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:28 am

“That would fail to do anything about the problem of Hispanics living amongst us, which is the REAL issue of anyone that uses the term “massive flood of illegals”.”

Im pro Hispanic for the restaurants if nothing else.

parthian says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:31 am

Hey, I assume all you illegal-obsessed BQers are aware that even the extreme right wing Center for Immigration Studies has concluded that the “illegal” population has already declined about 14% from the summer of 2007, which CIS estimated was the height of the deadly “invasion”. Why? The Great Recession.

Even the extremist CIS now estimate that the “illegals” present in the country are under 11 million, the lowest in years. But of course these 10.8 million poor adult workers are really the greatest crisis facing America today—by far!

Who says the Great Recession is all bad? But what would America’s Know Nothing Right do without its second most-hated, powerless group of scapegoats? (after gays, of course!)

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:42 am

Instead of spewing your ususal brand of negative energy and contempt for the right, how about you give us an answer to the problem in a calm manner Parthian?

monty says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am

“Get them on the books and paying FICA”

I don’t think the illegals would have as big a problem complying with this as would the many employers utilizing cheap, illegal labor to improve their bottom line. The stream of illegal aliens coming here would slow considerably if there wern’t any job opportunities for them when they get here.

parthian says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:45 am

“hispanics living amongst us–which is the REAL issue for [wingnut know nothings]”

Exactly.

If Birdbrain Palin or any one of the other GOoP misfits runnin’ for prez starting screaming that what is needed is a purging of parasitical “impure elements” polluting “White Murica” to restore the Glory of the Nation, America’s extreme Right would be delighted to install them as Fuhrer USA.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:48 am

“The stream of illegal aliens coming here would slow considerably if there wern’t any job opportunities for them when they get here.”

Bonus

parthian says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:55 am

“answer to the problem in a calm manner”

Now what the hell fun would that be?

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:59 am

“Now what the hell fun would that be?”

I find calm reasoned debate entertaining from time to time.

When it comes to hating the right, youre the undisputed heavyweight champ of the world. The only problem is its getting boring.

parthian says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:06 am

Repub incoherence has been the biggest obstacle to immigration reform.

The GOoP is caught between what their corporate funders demand (all the cheap illegals they want to hire) and what their great unwashed know-nothing base demands for illegals—immediate deportation after torture by true Americans.

Not a lot of room to work with between the two…..hence the GOoP castigates the hapless illegals in the harshest rhetorical terms, while advocating nothing thus satisfying their plutocrat masters.

Immigration may be taken up next year and the Dems will likely have an easier time with it than health care—there’s alot of (Dem) agreement on the subject, and less interest in making sure the demonic illegals are appropriately tarred, feathered, scourged, beaten and deported wholesale.

parthian says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:07 am

“getting boring”

Now THAT’S insulting!!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:10 am

“and what their great unwashed know-nothing base demands”

Unwashed? HA….Thats a new one. Unwashed. .. ..

להקיא says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:14 am

Im pro Hispanic for the restaurants if nothing else.

Brazillian Bikinis.

Although I encountered one woman wearing one least weekend who looked about 6 months pregnant.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:16 am

“The GOoP is caught between what their corporate funders demand (all the cheap illegals they want to hire)”

can’t dispute that.
And the DFLeders want the Union dues and votes. Whats the diff. Neither really has the countrys well being in mind when they do nothing on it.
And yes there are less undocumented workers here working because of the recession and also because the borders are being fenced and gaurded more half-assed than they ever were.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:19 am

“Brazillian Bikinis.”

The only and best reason Rio de Janeiro should host the 2016 SUMMER Olympics.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:21 am

Brazillian Bikinis on the shores of lake michigan. Naw. Not the same.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:22 am

“If millions of undocumented workers are already paying social security taxes and the social security fund is still threatened with insolvancy………..”

They arent.

I’m afraid they are DB — they use bogus SSNs – most often borrowed from family members or friends who are here legally. You can max out your exemptions and avoid income tax, but everyone pays into medicare and social security, not matter how many exemptions you have.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am

Unwashed! I have a new yodel to yell at crappy drivers. Want to hear it? OK. Here it is-

“Hey you unwashed oriental piece of sh^t, get off your cell phone and pick a lane!!!!!!”

What do ya think? To much anger maybe? maybe if I jazz it up abit. How’s this-

“♪♫ Hey you unwashed oriental piece of sh^t, get off your cell phone and pick a lane!!!!!! ♪♫”

Yeah, that does it. Much more civil, almost like a show tune.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:30 am

GO you’re Sofa King we Todd Ed.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:30 am

“I’m afraid they are DB — they use bogus SSNs – most often borrowed from family members or friends who are here legally.”

but don’t these friends and family get nailed with the back taxes? Eventually?

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:34 am

And the DFLeders want the Union dues and votes. Whats the diff. Neither really has the countrys well being in mind when they do nothing on it.

Union members are only about 8% of the workforce nationally, and far fewer in MN these days…The GOP’s been pandering to them in places like Ohio and Missouri, with great results in recent years.

Here’s how they do it — the GOP plays to their latent racism (which most people in predominately white areas have) and scares them with stories about “Barack Hussein Obama” wanting to teach gay sex in our elementary schools and take away their guns.

So they vote for GOP representatives, who promptly give their employer a tax break on moving their factory to China, then they blame the illegals for stealing the jobs. It’s a real scam.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:37 am

“I’m afraid they are DB — they use bogus SSNs – most often borrowed from family members or friends who are here legally.”

That may be, but there are millions and millions working off the books and paying no FICA.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:42 am

“(which most people in predominately white areas have)”

Which most people have period the end.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:49 am

Tiny,
I get the “we todd ed” thing. Its not very nice to make fun of the mentally challenged so knock it off or I’ll have my sister go to your house and sit on you.
The “sofa king”..what?

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:54 am

Yes DB – most people are at least a little bit racist (seen Avenue Q have we?) LOL

That may be, but there are millions and millions working off the books and paying no FICA.

Really? Where? Most of the undocumented workers I’m aware of work for local businesses — roofers, cleaners, landscaping — legitimate businesses that need to show where their money is going. Most don’t have the cash flow to pay someone under the table.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

“Yes DB – most people are at least a little bit racist (seen Avenue Q have we?) LOL”

Never seen it. But lets be honest about race relations in America.

“Really? Where?”

Allover the place. You must not have worked in roofing or painting lately. You think migrant pickers get put on the payroll?

How many times do you think a painter gets paid at the end of a job out of the general contractors wallet?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

“Most of the undocumented workers I’m aware of work for local businesses — roofers, cleaners, landscaping — legitimate businesses that need to show where their money is going. Most don’t have the cash flow to pay someone under the table. ”

Now what they might do is submit a bogus Social Security and id card to get on the payroll. FICA deductions are witheld from their checks and paid to the govt but the undocumented workers are never going to collect Social Security.

So, while this is probably impossible for people like Dare2 to comprehend, Illegal immigrant workers (not every individual, but collectively as a group) actually help support Social Security and Medicare for us natural citizens.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

“Most don’t have the cash flow to pay someone under the table.”

It’s those damn old people paying those snot nosed kids to mow the lawn. Thats whats gonna bust this country.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

“That may be, but there are millions and millions working off the books and paying no FICA. ”

The cash day laborers, yes.

But say you are the owner of a roofing company.
You pay your crew cash to get ‘er done. Your customer pays you a check which you run through a (auditable) bank account. The cash business expense of paying illegals can’t be declared on your tax return so you just have to eat it in the form of looking like you made more profit than you did. So someone is still paying taxes on that income, even if the workers don’t. Unless the roofing contractor’s customer paid in $100 bills.
I bet you can get a discount on a roof job if you do…

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:17 pm

See,
If you’re a contractor using cash laborers it’s not really a tax dodge.

But what you are dodging is worker’s comp insurance. That can be a bigger deal than taxes.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:20 pm

If an undocumented worker was roofing for cash and got hurt, could he sue for work comp?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:22 pm

“WASHINGTON – A federal judge ruled Thursday that the FBI must publicly reveal much of its interview with former Vice President Dick Cheney during the investigation into who leaked the identity of a CIA operative.”

I smell blood in the water.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:24 pm

“The cash business expense of paying illegals can’t be declared on your tax return so you just have to eat it in the form of looking like you made more profit than you did.”

Or you inflate other expenses.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pm

How about subs who pay workers in cash? Ive also seen contractors collect checks from homeowners written to them personally and not to the business.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:29 pm

“If an undocumented worker was roofing for cash and got hurt, could he sue for work comp? ”

Sure he could. But what illegal alien is going to present himself to a courthouse to file suit?

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

They can also sue the homeowner.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pm

“Ive also seen contractors collect checks from homeowners written to them personally and not to the business. ”

Yeah, but if you run it through your checking account and get audited the IRS will have you walking bowlegged. It’s getting harder and harder to just walk into someone’s bank and cash a check they wrote you too.
Damn banks.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

Oooh where’d you see that GO?

DB, I think the general idea is that a lot of those undocumented people use SSNs. The business person doesn’t have any culpability, so they can’t be busted for hiring them (e.g. “No sir, he showed me an ID and had a SSN, so I assumed he was legal.”) So we know in the very least that a lot of them are paying in.

Kinda goes back to what I’ve been saying for a long time (and what parth explained as well) — the GOP pushes this as a wedge issue, but the reality is they have no plan or desire to “fix” it.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:41 pm

“Oooh where’d you see that GO?”

Yahoo home page news.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

“Both the Bush and Obama administrations said they wanted to keep the interview confidential because future presidents and vice presidents may not cooperate with criminal investigations if they know what they say could became public.”

This is the most bogus reason to withhold anything from public record.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:50 pm

“DB, I think the general idea is that a lot of those undocumented people use SSNs.”

They do, I agree. But Ive seen workers Ive worked along side on jobs that got paid in cash by a sub and Generals working off the books.

Homeowners who dont know any better, will pay the contractor with a personal check written to the individual not the business. The contractor tosses the contract, pays his subs in cash and wallah, off the books. Happens everyday all the time.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm

“Yeah, but if you run it through your checking account and get audited the IRS will have you walking bowlegged. ”

Go to a check cashing business. Sign it over to a third party. Dont put it in your business account.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm

the GOP pushes this as a wedge issue?

My @ss. God really “wedge issue”

Lots of people both Dem and Rep across this country DO NOT want illegal’s to benefit from being here illegally and using welfare programs that are meant for people in need in this country.

Doesn’t that bother you Sgt. Using up monies that are meant for the people struggling in this country.

You wait for the “Immigration reform” debate. You are going to see more then 50 Blue Dogs.

Your the Whoopi Goldberg ( it wasn’t rape rape )of this blog. You are Sofa King dumb.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 12:55 pm

“Sofa King”

Aha, your messed up. HA too funny. sofa king…geezus.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:12 pm

GO say it slow and then again Real Fast.

להקיא says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm

the GOP pushes this as a wedge issue, but the reality is they have no plan or desire to “fix” it.

As soon as they get rid of the liberal RINOs, they’ll fix it.

I’m sure of it.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:31 pm

So Sgt. do the Dems have any “wedge issue” ?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:45 pm

“Go to a check cashing business.”

That might actually be more expensive than just manning up, declaring the income and paying taxes.

“Sign it over to a third party.”

This is a better idea.

do the Dems have any “wedge issue” ?

More like a wedgie issue.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:47 pm

And what the hell is a “wedge issue” anyhow…god dumb..as dumb as throwin’ around “Straw man” now that is …..Sofa King dumb.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pm

“wedgie issue”

“Frequent Poopers Legislation”

Because Democrats care!

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:51 pm

Doesn’t that bother you Sgt. Using up monies that are meant for the people struggling in this country.

Tiny, you’re missing my point – the GOP doesn’t really want to do anything about it, they just want to make people like you angry about it so you won’t vote for Dems (that’s what a wedge issue is).

Let me ask you this – what happened the last time a GOP’er tried to honestly do something about immigration? It was Bush, and he was attacked by fellow Repbulicans for promoting an “amnesty” policy, which he quickly backed off. McCain made the same mistake.

I don’t think the Dems have any wedge issues — except maybe presuming ownership of civil rights and presenting it that way to minorities. It’s a GOP tactic — they’ve been using wedge issues since Nixon’s “southern strategy.”

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:51 pm

Doesn’t that bother you Sgt. Using up monies that are meant for the people struggling in this country.

Tiny, you’re missing my point – the GOP doesn’t really want to do anything about it, they just want to make people like you angry about it so you won’t vote for Dems (that’s what a wedge issue is).

Let me ask you this – what happened the last time a GOP’er tried to honestly do something about immigration? It was Bush, and he was attacked by fellow Repbulicans for promoting an “amnesty” policy, which he quickly backed off. McCain made the same mistake.

I don’t think the Dems have any wedge issues — except maybe presuming ownership of civil rights and presenting it that way to minorities. It’s a GOP tactic — they’ve been using wedge issues since Nixon’s “southern strategy.”

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Lookit that.

Main center dealine on Drudge right now.

Picture of Tim Pawlenty and the headline:

“Can this Man Conquer Obama?”

No, he can’t, I said to my monitor.

No, he can’t.
Whether you like him or not, he’s trying to hit in a whole different league.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 1:55 pm

“Doesn’t that bother you Sgt. Using up monies that are meant for the people struggling in this country.”

All the pallets of cash we shipped to Iraq to spread around… that bothers me.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:06 pm

“except maybe presuming ownership of civil rights and presenting it that way to minorities.”

Is the conspiracy theory a wedge issue?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Growing public dissatisfaction with the Iraq war was a good wedge issue for the Dems to use in the last election cycle.

I can recall a Franken ad featuring the bereaved parents of a fallen soldier saying, “Norm’s got to go.”

Both parties use wedge issues. I think the Republicans are a little more craven about it.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:17 pm

“Is the conspiracy theory a wedge issue? ”

I assume you mean the “vast right-wing conspiracy?”

That’s more like a persecution complex.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm

“I assume you mean the “vast right-wing conspiracy?”

If the wedge issue is designed to make people angry so that they wont vote for the other party, then yes, Id say the vast right wing conspiracies (take your pick, Dan any suggestions) are a wedge issue.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:30 pm

At one point in American politics the biggest wedge issue was slavery.

Prior to this health care debate,
I’d say it was a trifecta of Abortion, Gay marriage and illegal immigration.

Both parties hammer on the wedges and hope they can break off a bigger chunk of the electorate for themselves.

monty says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:44 pm

“I assume you mean the “vast right-wing conspiracy?”

That’s more like a persecution complex.”

Ya. Kinda like the “liberal media” that supposedly afflicts the fourth estate of our nation.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Hey, check it out Deac,

There’s a headline on the main page relevant to our dialouge about how contractors hide income.

Amit Sela is off to a 42-month sojourn in Federal Pound-me-in-the-@ss Prison for tax evasion.

Evidently getting your own house remodeled and furnished is not a business expense.

And you’re not supposed to ask your subs to give you a receipt for an invoice that was more than you actually paid them. Go figure.

monty says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:46 pm

“Prior to this health care debate,
I’d say it was a trifecta of Abortion, Gay marriage and illegal immigration.”

Let’s not forget the sleeping giants of guns and gun control.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Just me, but I think it would cost too darn much to deport all those undocumented folks in the US.

Like Mark said .. make them get on the books and pay a fine. Set some standards and get on with it.

It could just help in the resolve of many issues and ..

I’d bet the food at the restaurants would get even better.

That’d be cool.

And the bonus is that D2 would go insane and probably be institutionalized.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 3:06 pm

“Amit Sela is off to a 42-month sojourn in Federal Pound-me-in-the-@ss Prison for tax evasion.”

Good. I rented a ‘garden level’ apt from Sela once (read rat trap). The shower sprung a leak inside the wall, we had mice, and the super was a meth addict.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 3:12 pm

“Like Mark said .. make them get on the books and pay a fine. Set some standards and get on with it.”

Skip the fine even, I say.
Here’s a true story from my life that I shared on TA once.

I was at a big professional conference for work last year and the keynote speaker for the event was retired Marine Gen. Barry McAffrey.

His take on the illegal immigrant situation was that we should grant immediate amnesty to every last one of them on the condition that they report somehwere where we can collect biometrics so if they do get caught doing wrong they can be identified and expelled. He said in conjunction with that we should build a 20-ft. fence the entire length of the border with Mexico like they have in San Diego now.

Didn’t sound like such a bad plan to me, but the second he said the word “amnesty” someone in the crowd heckled him. And this is a bunch of educated people, engineers and such, and whoever did the heckling did it in the presence of people he might want to do business with. Made me feel a little less guilty about my cell phone going off in the middle of the speech. Rep. Wilson’s recent outburst yelling at the President made me flash back on this guy heckling McCaffrey.
I don’t know what it is about some people where the thought of anything less than persecuting these migrant workers is anathema to them.

Anyway after the speech I went up to shake Gen. McCaffrey’s hand and I told him I agreed about the fence, but how were we going to get it built without hiring a bunch of Mexcian day laborers? He tseemed to think that was funny.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pm

TWINS WIN!

Still in it-phew.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Is the conspiracy theory a wedge issue?

No – a wedge issue requires that you’re dealing with a rational, mentally-competent voter.

If the wedge issue is designed to make people angry so that they wont vote for the other party, then yes, Id say the vast right wing conspiracies (take your pick, Dan any suggestions) are a wedge issue.

Not anger — cognative dissonance. Here’s how it works — an equilibrium exists in the voter’s mind: “I vote democrat, because it reflects my values.”

Then you introduce the conflict: “I vote democrat, because it reflects my values, but I don’t support gay marriage.” That creates a conflict or dissonance in the mind of the voter. Our minds naturally seek out equilibrium/harmony, so subconsciously, the voter tries to resolve the dissonance. The most likely outcome in the short-term is, “I’m not voting democrat this time, because they support gay marriage, and that’s against my values.” Long term, it becomes, “I vote Republican, because it reflects my values.”

Normally I charge $95/hour for that — and I’ve just given it to y’all for free. :)

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 4:10 pm

Harried Money Emperor Ben Bernanke testified in Congress again today about upcoming financial regulation measures and apparently pleased the S0c1allsts by saying that increased transparency won’t do the trick — you have to straight-up ban certain financial instruments, starting with, say, the ones where lenders throw trillions of dollars of credit at random hobos without so much as even asking their names.

Rep. Michele Bachmann was awarded some valuable questioning time during this taxpayer-funded government meeting, and got right to the heart of the matter: what are you going to do about ACORN, and is there going to be a New Global Currency that we’ll have to use by like tomorrow? Barney Frank and Ben Bernanke take these questions very seriously.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 4:15 pm

Just to clarify for people like Tiny and 2Dim — the Fed doesn’t have the ability to do anything at all about ACORN.

It’s like asking the FBI to help find someone to clean your pool.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 4:47 pm

“I vote Republican, because it reflects my values.”

Funny, I’ve actually have heard more people say they’ve left the Republicans than the Democrats because the GOP doesnt reflect their values anymore. Actually I think Ive heard YOU say that.

Deacon Blues says:

October 1st, 2009 at 4:51 pm

I think the wedge issue the Dems use to create cognative dissonance is the idea that Republicans are all crazy racists.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:00 pm

Actually I think Ive heard YOU say that.

You did hear me say that — but that wasn’t the point of my post.

Actually I think most GOP’ers get a lot of positive reinforcement of their beliefs from talk radio. They get primed into believing that all Dems are out to get them by accusing them of being racist — so when they hear that, it doesn’t work. It would actually require someone who is God-like to them — like if someone was a GOPer and thought Joe Nathan was the manifestation of Christ on earth, and if Joe Nathan said, “Republicans are racist,” that might create some dissonance.

Celebrity endorsements work, but they can backfire too. I used to like Craig T. Nelson and Penn Gillette, until they each went on Glenn Beck’s show — I was really disappointed that they bought into the whole crazy thing…

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:05 pm

“2Dim — I’ll agree that C is important. But what about the 10 million or so who are already here? It’s unrealistic to deport them.”

Before deciding what to do with the illegals already in this country, we first have to make every effort to stop the massive flood of them crossing our border daily, but Obama is doing just the opposite. All this talk of amnesty and free healthcare for them is just more of a magnet. Also, if we enforce current laws and start penalizing emloyers who hire illegal aliens, many of them will go back to Mexico or wherever on their own.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:11 pm

“Just me, but I think it would cost too darn much to deport all those undocumented folks in the US.”

Greg, nobody is suggesting we deport all illegals, but for many of them it would be money well spent. The problem is, they easily sneak back after deportation often many times and commit more crimes since we don’t take border control seriously.

O.T. says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:13 pm

republican endorsement by celebritys= wrong

democrat endorsement and idolization= good

gotcha sarge, good job breaking down your beliefs for us.

people need to stop shooting each other for a couple more days so I can have a day off.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:22 pm

“they use bogus SSNs”

Thanks for pointing out what a problem identity theft is in the illegal alien community Sarge. When the meat packing plant raids (which Obama stopped) were going on, they weren’t going after these people because they were here illegally, they were going after identity thieves which is a serious problem in the United States. Liberals don’t want you to know that about these raids.

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:23 pm

I didn’t say it was wrong bonehead, I said I didn’t like those guys cuz they endorsed a wingnut asshat, so stfu.

I guess reading comprehension isn’t one of your strong points?

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:27 pm

2Dim, the border’s never going to be 100% secure. People will find a way to get in.

Regardless — even you should recognize that the GOP has done zero to address the problem, except pay lip service to people like you.

monty says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:35 pm

“even you should recognize that the GOP has done zero to address the problem”

Sarge, to paraphrase CS, all you’re doing is feeing the troll.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:36 pm

“2Dim, the border’s never going to be 100% secure. People will find a way to get in.”

So let’s just give up and totally open up the flood gates and allow ANYONE in, right Sarge?

“even you should recognize that the GOP has done zero to address the problem”

Liberal RINO’s have been terrible on keeping our borders secure. Conservatives like Michele Bachmann however are fighting to stop the massive flood of illegals, and we need more people like her in Washington.

monty says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:36 pm

Ooooops…make that “feeding” the troll

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:39 pm

monty sounds like one of those guys who would prefer a “liberal only” blog.

parthian says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm

No, monty would just prefer a “brain required” blog

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pm

“No, monty would just prefer a “brain required” blog”

But that would leave you out Partisan!

John E Iacono says:

October 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pm

Sarge says:
“Just to clarify for people like Tiny and 2Dim — the Fed doesn’t have the ability to do anything at all about ACORN”

How about cutting of millions in subsidies? Just might work…

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:10 pm

“How about cutting of millions in subsidies? Just might work… ”

We’re talking about FED as in Federal Reserve. What’s Bernanke got do do with handing out subsidies to ACORN?

My guess is nothing.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:34 pm

“Tiny, you’re missing my point – the GOP doesn’t really want to do anything about it,”

I keep hearing this and Frankly Sgt it is MSNBC propaganda. Just like the congress before, the Republicans have offered their own plans both with the healtcare issue and the Stimulus. You just don’t hear or read about them because you watch one of the Network Nightly New’s ( Or PBS for Gods shake ) or have your face pressed up to the computer Screen reading MOVEON or the Huffington Post.

I believe the Party of NO had a good stimulus package full of Tax breaks and Tax cuts and I believe they have a Health bill allowing for more Competition as well as No refusal on preexisting conditions.

So instead of proving how smart you think you are by repeating such phrases as “StawMan” and “Wedge issue” you might want to spend your time broadening your daily reading horizon.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:35 pm

Honest to god!

O.T. says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:38 pm

hahahaha!!!! sarge says: ” I didn’t say they were wrong, i said I didn’t like them because their views differed from mine”.

What a dumfuk you are.

“I didn’t say the door was shut, I said it wasn’t open” said Sarge.

I didn’t say I was a idiot, I said I wasn’t very bright” said Sarge.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Don’t listen to Sarge, he’s a liberal who thinks that protecting our borders is a losing battle, so let’s quit while we’re behind. What a meatheat!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Don’t listen to Sarge, he’s a liberal who thinks that protecting our borders is a losing battle, so let’s quit while we’re behind. What a meathead!

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pm

Ya know .. I don’t agree with Sarge sometimes but this I do know ..

the brain trust of D2 and OT runs pretty much at a negative balance.

This is the D2 OT ideology:

Liberal, democrat, moderate democrat, moderat, moderate republican = dumb

Conservative = smart

Close your mind and leave your @ss hanging.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:55 pm

Go play with your Gerbils Greg.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pm

“Go play with your Gerbils Greg. ”

Even if I was into that it would be pretty difficult since you’ve cornered the market.

That’s rather unpatriotic of you …

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:04 pm

“Undocumented” ID thief turns in all his fake papers, asks for ticket home:

http://www.michellemalkin.com/2009/09/30/undocumented-id-thief-turns-in-all-his-fake-papers-asks-for-ticket-home/

See Sarge! They want to go home if we make it tough on them.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:10 pm

WANTED:
Virgin Gerbils for hire. Call Greg at 800-UP-RUMPS

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:11 pm

Test

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:13 pm

“See Sarge! They want to go home if we make it tough on them. ”

How did ‘we’ make it tough on him? Looks like he made it tough on himself and found a bargaining chip.

How in the heck can I see that and you come up with some idiotic ideology driven crap for it ..

it’s gotta have something to do with being unpatriotic.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm

“WANTED:
Virgin Gerbils for hire. Call Greg at 800-UP-RUMPS ”

You realize if you’re trying to store your filthy habit here I’m charging you rent…

there will be an unpatriotic tax applied to your rental.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:17 pm

“unpatriotic tax”

Don’t bring Obama into this Greg.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:17 pm

God this filtering system. Hey we should give these people some words they might not have flagged.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:24 pm

Feds: Smuggling Suspect Caught for 28th Time
SUSAN TAYLOR
NBC Los Angles

Van that rammed border had special tires to resist spike strips
Shocking details have emerged in wake of a shooting at the San Ysidro port of entry earlier this week involving three vans and 78 illegal immigrants.

Two Mexican men have been charged in connection with an incident earlier this week when three vans tried to storm across the U.S.-Mexico border Tuesday. A driver and passenger in one of the vans were charged with immigrant smuggling. Documents show the passenger has been arrested 28 time for immigration violations.

Among the other details that have come to light since the incident was the fact that at least one of the vans that drove through the San Ysidro border checkpoint apparently had special tires that can resist a spike strip.

The vans were packed with 78 illegal immigrants. Federal officers said they felt threatened and opened fire to stop the vans; four people were injured in the incident. The passengers allegedly paid about $3,000 each for a space inside those vans.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pm

“dickmelon, tool taster”

Liberal Greg sounds hungry!

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:30 pm

“The vans were packed with 78 illegal immigrants. Federal officers said they felt threatened and opened fire to stop the vans; four people were injured in the incident. The passengers allegedly paid about $3,000 each for a space inside those vans. ”

I’ll bet those were the ones that were on a mission to satisfy D2′s paranoia …

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:33 pm

“Liberal Greg sounds hungry! ”

Nah, but I’d bet that’s your dream menu.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:37 pm

“The Mexican writer Elena Poniatowska affirmed today that Mexico is presently recovering the territories lost in the past to the United States, thanks to emigration. ‘The people of the poor, the lice-ridden and the cucarachas are advancing in the United States, a country that wants to speak Spanish because 33.4 million Hispanics impose their culture’ affirmed Poniatowska …”" El Imparcial” (July 3rd, 2001)

http://www.vdare.com/awall/070705_memo.htm

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:42 pm

“Nah, but I’d bet that’s your dream menu.”

Plenty of credible evidence that he’s a spermburper

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pm

C.S. eats Man gravy for breakfast.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:45 pm

“Plenty of credible evidence that he’s a spermburper ”

Cool .. another word for Tiny’s list.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:47 pm

Hey, hey!

All this talk is getting Greg overly exited. Please stop now for the safety of all mankind.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pm

“Hey, hey!

All this talk is getting Greg overly exited. Please stop now for the safety of all mankind.”

What D2 is really trying to say is that he’s about to blow his wad and his wife is still gone for another hour.

D2 .. not waiting for your wife is very unpatriotic.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 7:54 pm

Welcome to the Liberal Greg gay porn show!

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:00 pm

“Welcome to the Liberal Greg gay porn show! ”

Starring the unpatriotic closet homosexual D2…

you can guess what the 2 stands for.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:06 pm

“you can guess what the 2 stands for.”

He incapable of adhering to the “one wiener rule.”

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:10 pm

“He incapable of adhering to the “one wiener rule.” ”

which is directly related to his IQ.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:11 pm

C.S, I’ll bet you favorite band is Rear Entry, and your favorite song by them is “Rump Rangers in Disguise”.

And Greg likes them too!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:14 pm

“which is directly related to his IQ.”

It’s not that high.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:17 pm

“C.S, I’ll bet you favorite band is Rear Entry, and your favorite song by them is “Rump Rangers in Disguise”.

And Greg likes them too! ”

I have no idea about that band or that song ..

but apparently you do.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:18 pm

“It’s not that high. ”

Agreed.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:19 pm

“It’s not that high.”

See I told ya. You’d make a good climate scientist being off that far.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:20 pm

Ya know .. I was looking at that conservative calendar and I noticed something ..

The bottom half of Bachmans body is almost identical to the bottom half of ..

Hillary Clinton’s.

Isn’t that something?

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:22 pm

“See I told ya. You’d make a good climate scientist being off that far. ”

Now there’s a thought…

which I’ll forget by tomorrow.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:23 pm

While we’re on the subject, Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar” Kevin Jennings was once a teacher when a 15 year old boy told him that he was engaged in homosexual behavior with an adult. Instead of report the incident to authorities, Mr. Jennings simply relied “I hope you use a condom”.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/30/obamas-safe-schools-czar-admits-bad-handling-teen-sex-case/

What the hell! A “SAFE SCHOOL” Czar!

People should be outraged!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:27 pm

“which I’ll forget by tomorrow.”

They figure anything out yet?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:28 pm

“See I told ya. You’d make a good climate scientist being off that far. ”

I’m glad you guys at least realize that the “Globull Warming” kooks are full of liberal crap.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:31 pm

“They figure anything out yet?”

You seem fine to me Greg, except for being inflicted with a severe case of liberalism.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:33 pm

“Nah, but I’d bet that’s your dream menu. ”

Is kind of odd you’ll have to admit Greg? I would not have thought of those.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:35 pm

“I’m glad you guys at least realize that the “Globull Warming” kooks are full of liberal crap.”

Don’t you mean:

I’m glad you guys at least realize that the “Globull Warming” kooks are full of liberal and conservative crap giving know real results.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:36 pm

“What the hell! A “SAFE SCHOOL” Czar!”

D2 is now trying to figure out if he was in a bus station in ’88.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:39 pm

“Is kind of odd you’ll have to admit Greg? I would not have thought of those. ”

I got them from GO’s emails.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:43 pm

“I got them from GO’s emails.”

Needle dick that he is.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:54 pm

“Needle dick that he is. ”

bug-buggerer.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 8:59 pm

“bug-buggerer.”

There’s a reason he lives in the country.

Better odds.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pm

“I got them from GO’s emails.”

Why must you fantasize about every disgusting thing you read Greg, for the cryin’ out loud!

O.T. says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pm

Jimma must think he must still be living in the 70′s because he stated today he never called people protesting against Obama as racists when it is plainly on video. Jimmy- they have a thing called videotape now, they also have a thing called “the internet” in which millions, if not billions of people can WATCH YOU LIE anytime they want to, ya incompetent, lying piece of sheet.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pm

“Why must you fantasize about every disgusting thing you read Greg, for the cryin’ out loud! ”

I think you’re projecting again ..

take your meds.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pm

“Is kind of odd you’ll have to admit Greg? I would not have thought of those. ”

“I got them from GO’s emails.”

“Needle dick that he is. ”

“bug-buggerer.”

“There’s a reason he lives in the country.”

Funny F’ers that ya are.
D2, I think Dobble-a-Run is on that band groupie list with Liberalgreg and CENTRAL SCROTUMTEASER. Rear Entry, sounds like a real hole burner.

C.S, I’ll bet you favorite band is Rear Entry, and your favorite song by them is “Rump Rangers in Disguise”.

And Greg likes them too!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:14 pm

“if not billions of people can WATCH YOU LIE anytime they want to, ya incompetent, lying piece of sheet.”

ya unwashed incompetent, lying piece of sheet.

Fixed!!!!!!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:16 pm

“And Greg likes them too!”

And Greg likes their tool!

fixed

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:17 pm

“I think you’re projecting again ..”

Greg, at least you’re Man enough to admit you have a girlie “myspace” page.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:18 pm

“and your favorite song by them is “Rump Rangers in Disguise”.”

and your favorite song by them is “Rump Rangers in these guys”.

Fixen it!!!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm

“Liberal Greg”

Sounds like a real hole burner!

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:23 pm

“And Greg likes them too! ”

Hey the first time I heard of the band was from D2 (go figure).

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:23 pm

“And Greg likes their tool!”

I get it now.

I thought Stihl meant chainsaws. Didn’t know it was one of them “code words”

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pm

“Rump Rangers in these guys”.

Gerbils are a fair substite for Greg, but they must be organic. What a good liberal!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:26 pm

“I thought Stihl meant chainsaws. Didn’t know it was one of them “code words”

You thought “stihl” meant something you do on your free (between welfare checks)time, you North Minneapolis mad dog drinking liberal fool.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

“You thought “stihl” meant something you do on your free (between welfare checks)time, you North Minneapolis mad dog drinking liberal fool.”

You’re confusing me with FC.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm

“Gerbils are a fair substite for Greg, but they must be organic. What a good liberal!”

HAaaaaha aha ha! Organic? you mean generic. All from one for all. Herr liberal.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:31 pm

“You’re confusing me with FC.”

No. I still like FC

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

“between welfare checks”

Minneapolis (Moneyapolis) is the welfare check capitol of the world.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Goodnight all!

I need to sleep in tomorrow.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pm

“Minneapolis (Moneyapolis) is the welfare check capitol of the world.”

Can’t blame any one but the liberal gregs, CS and dobble-a-runs for that

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pm

“Greg, at least you’re Man enough to admit you have a girlie “myspace” page. ”

You spend alot of time looking at that don’t you ..

and more than likely cleaning your screen often ..

being that I’m not homosexual, that’s very rude D2 ..

and further evidence of you not being a patriot.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:38 pm

No. I still like FC

You don’t think it takes a little MD to GO dumpster diving in north Mpls?

For the record I’m north OF Mpls. In the “country”.

‘Cuz I like the odds better!!

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:39 pm

“Gerbils are a fair substite for Greg, but they must be organic. What a good liberal! ”

See, only D2 would know there were such a thing as organic gerbils ..

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:41 pm

“Can’t blame any one but the liberal gregs, CS and dobble-a-runs for that”

When you pay people to be irresponsible, you get a lot of irresponsible behavior. Obama and the soci@lists in Congress don’t seem to get that.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm

Man …

we got almost 2.5 inches of rain already and it’s not stopping.

this might be the year for a halloween blizzard repeat ..

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:47 pm

“When you pay people to be irresponsible, you get a lot of irresponsible behavior. Obama and the soci@lists in Congress don’t seem to get that. ”

So all people that receive public assistance are irresponsible?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:49 pm

“You spend alot of time looking at that don’t you ..”

No liberal Greg, I just heard a commercial on KQ where a guy opens up his mouth to his coworkers about his girlie “myspace” page, and he looks like a fool and might cause him to be demoted.

It reminded me of you of course.

By the way, my wife, sisters, daughter, and nieces all have “myspace” pages, will you be their friend?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:50 pm

“this might be the year for a halloween blizzard repeat ..”

Going on 20 years…we’re due.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:54 pm

“No liberal Greg, I just heard a commercial on KQ where a guy opens up his mouth to his coworkers about his girlie “myspace” page, and he looks like a fool and might cause him to be demoted. ”

Well .. it could be worse.

Take this for example:

http://www.dare2sayit.com

I’d be willing to bet that not only looks foolish but clearly shows the owner of that site is a very unpatriotic and angry ..

closet homosexual.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:55 pm

“By the way, my wife, sisters, daughter, and nieces all have “myspace” pages, will you be their friend? ”

Considering they’re lacking a decent male role model …

sure.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pm

“So all people that receive public assistance are irresponsible?”

Not true Greg! My problem is with multi-generational motivationally challenged welfare scum from Chicago who think they deserve to sit on their asses and have lots of kids at taxpayers expense.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

“closet homosexual.”

With a hearing problem. It’s Facebook not Myspace.

More lies.

Greg 63 says:

October 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

“Going on 20 years…we’re due. ”

Gotta check that farmers almanac ..

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:07 pm

“It’s Facebook not Myspace”

Sorry, my mistake. It’s very non-Manly either way Central Liberalizer,

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:13 pm

Tiny, you are perhaps one of the worst dry drunks I’ve ever interacted with in my life. I thought my father in law was bad, but you take the cake.

Someday, they’re going to figure out a way to re-grow all those brain cells you destroyed in your years of being an alcoholic.

Downtown Dan says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:27 pm

Tiny, you are perhaps one of the worst dry…

Dry?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:28 pm

SgtLiberton,

It’s pretty low of you to take something someone might have told you about how they acted in the past but have grown away from, and now use that against them for making a valid point, just because you don’t like it.

You are a disgusting person Sarge, and you owe Tiny an apology.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 1st, 2009 at 10:30 pm

“Dry?”

You think the pug’s trained?

SgtPendleton says:

October 1st, 2009 at 11:36 pm

2Dim why do you stick up for him? He’s been nothing but a dick ever since he started posting here. I don’t find him charming or funny – he’s a jerk who can’t take what he dishes out.

I’ve been around enough drunks in my life to know that they still maintain the unhealthy @sshole behavior even after they stop drinking.

You guys can feel sorry for him all you’d like. I stopped being an enabler years ago.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:35 am

Have we yet tied in the dangers of Nuclear proliferation and the potential consequences to Planet Earth if we where to have a even “small exchange”

This I find most baffling and confusing. All the hard work we have put in could be destroyed in a matter of seconds. ( Not that China isn’t all ready doing this but anyhow )

“I’ve been around enough drunks in my life to know that they still maintain the unhealthy @sshole behavior even after they stop drinking.”

I’ve been an @sshole my hole life. But only to people who have it coming. You have it coming.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 am

“You guys can feel sorry for him all you’d like. I stopped being an enabler years ago. ”

I personally don’t think there’s anything to feel sorry for…

and I think Tiny gets that too.

He’s just Tiny, and if you don’t get him, then that’s on you.

Try getting that he’s very, very direct and wear an extra layer of clothing if you’re skin is that thin Sarge.

D2 ..

you have NO reason to call out anyone else for an apology. Even with a bad memory I know you’ve pulled some crap that’s just inexcuseable. Most of those instances are because you refuse to admit when you’re lying….

and you question someone else’s manliness?

Uh huh.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 7:14 am

I assume the chicks Letterman was nailing where “under him”. Boy I’m not sure thats cool in most corporations. Heck if so I’ll start Tiny Corp and base my promotions on the amount of “Action” someone gives me.

Anyhow isn’t his Wife his former longtime girlfriend.

Today Show has him described as “Victim of”

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 7:38 am

“you have NO reason to call out anyone else for an apology. Even with a bad memory I know you’ve pulled some crap that’s just inexcuseable.”

Sure, I make fun of some people’s extreme leftist/communist ideologies like Comrade Partisan’s, but Sarge’s attack was personal, mean, and uncalled for. Again, Sarge owes Tiny an apology.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 7:48 am

David Letterman is an unfunny liberal prick. The liberal media will report on this as little as they can away with. Now if this was Glenn Beck or somebody on the right……

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 am

God this filtering system. Hey we should give these people some words they might not have flagged.

Cocksucker

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:02 am

God this filtering system. Hey we should give these people some words they might not have flagged.

Nigger is OK, can you believe it?

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:06 am

“Someday, they’re going to figure out a way to re-grow all those brain cells you destroyed in your years of being an alcoholic.”

Sgt. this is a blog, or whatever you want to call it. Why get so personal? Alcoholism is a disease.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:08 am

“You guys can feel sorry for him all you’d like. I stopped being an enabler years ago.”

Get some perspective Sgt. Open a window and take a look around.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:08 am

Nigger and Cocksucker are OK, but Moh@mmed and soci@list aren’t.

People should be outrgaged!

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:11 am

“I thought my father in law was bad, but you take the cake.”

How often do you read Parthian’s posts?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 am

“Someday, they’re going to figure out a way to re-grow all those brain cells you destroyed in your years of being an alcoholic.”

Typical liberal comment by Sarge. They attack Bush for taking responsibility for a problem he had and turning his life around, but said nothing about booze hound Ted Kennedy who actually killed someone because of his drinking and continued to be an alcoholic his entire adult life.

But he was a still a Saint to the liberal community.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 am

Just a thought Sarge, but maybe that explains some of Teddy’s votes?

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:55 am

“But he was a still a Saint to the liberal community.”

Come off it D2. Your side lionized Bush too eventhough he was an alcoholic. For you and people like you its all about politics and the game. Sex scandals, personal short comings, it doesnt matter as long as the color and letter are right.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 am

There ain’t no way to hide your lionized, Deac.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 am

“Come off it D2. Your side lionized Bush too eventhough he was an alcoholic. For you and people like you its all about politics and the game. Sex scandals, personal short comings, it doesnt matter as long as the color and letter are right. ”

Exactly.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:02 am

“There ain’t no way to hide your lionized, Deac.”

Imagine crickets…. chirping, chirping, chirping….

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:07 am

I’ve been an @sshole my hole life. But only to people who have it coming. You have it coming.

You have it coming as well Tiny.

wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 am

“You have it coming as well Tiny.”

And Sgt. is going to use your disease against you to get it done.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:12 am

“For you and people like you its all about politics and the game”

There were seven and a hundred Trolls,
They were both ugly and grim,
A visit they would the blogger make,
Both eat and drink with him.
Out then spake the tiniest Troll,
No bigger than an emmet was he,
Hither is come a moderate man,
And manage him will I surelie

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 am

Monty,

Imagine crickets…. chirping, chirping, chirping….

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 am

“And Sgt. is going to use your disease against you to get it done.”

People should be outraged!

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:19 am

And trolls are entirely unoriginal too. Not a thought in their head that doesn’t come from elsewhere.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:23 am

“Not a thought in their head that doesn’t come from elsewhere.”

So that stupid poem came from your own brain Monty? I think you need to get a life.

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 am

I think both Sarge and Tiny cross the line on personal attacks. I’d rather hear about the issues.

But here’s my favorite:

D2 at 7:28 – “but Sarge’s attack was personal, mean, and uncalled for.”

D2 at 7:48 – “David Letterman is an unfunny liberal prick.”

Gawd, ya can’t make it up.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:26 am

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. employers cut a deeper-than-expected 263,000 jobs in September, lifting the unemployment rate to 9.8 percent, according to a government report on Friday that fueled fears the weak labor market could undermine economic recovery.

http://www.finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Sept-nonfarm-payrolls-rb-589941939.html?x=0&.v=1

When will people wake up and realize that Obama and the modern day democrat soci@list party are destroying our economy? They are doing everything back asswards!

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:30 am

Here’s one of yours D2 ..

http://www.glencoenews.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=23334&SectionID=8&SubSectionID=8&S=1

another nutcase twisting whatever possible to support an ideology.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:30 am

“David Letterman is an unfunny liberal prick.”

Hey Erkall, Letterman is a hightly paid celebutard and fair game. He’s an unfunny liberal prick just like Bill Maher.

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:30 am

Anyhow isn’t his Wife his former longtime girlfriend.

Today Show has him described as “Victim of”

That’s Damage Control 101, Tiny. In most circles, he’d be fired for doing something like that – but by going public with this extortion thing, HE’S the victim.

People who coordinate that stuff for celebs make upwards of $1000/hour.

They work on wedge issues too.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:35 am

Hey Erkall, Hannity is a hightly paid celebutard and fair game. He’s an unfunny prick just like Glenn Beck.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:36 am

Troll

1) Slang. a person who lives or sleeps in a park or under a viaduct or bridge, as a bag lady or derelict

2) bloggers who live in the dark and turn to stone if they are hit by sunlight. They were said to be made in mockery of human beings, just like neocon were created in mockery of conservatives.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 am

“I think you need to get a life.”

At least you’re thinking, d2. That’s a start.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 am

David Letterman is an unfunny liberal prick.

The one time I was in the audience for a Letterman taping, the main guest was John Ashcroft.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 am

Greg,

I can see the guy’s point. I know people who have destroyed their lives with drug and alcohol abuse, even though they’ve had ton’s of support from family, friends and employers, with every chance in the world to make things better.

Like George Bush and Glenn Beck, Tiny appears to have made the right choices however. The only thing making me mad is Sgt. Liberalton personally attacking him for problems he has corrected.

We should admire and respect people who make the right choices to improve their lives like Tiny has, not personally attack them for the way they used to be.

Sarge owes Tiny an apology.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:53 am

“I can see the guy’s point.”

Of course you do. You’re both on the same page.

“Sarge owes Tiny an apology. ”

You’re the last person to make that kind of demand.

I don’t think what Sarge said is worthy at all…not one bit.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 am

Monty, that’s a good start, but there are more definitions than that:

Troll

3) v. the activity of closeted gay men hanging out in wooded parks looking for anonymous gay sex encounters

4) n. a late-middle-aged computer programmer who specializes in obsolete legacy computer systems

Actually,
I suspect that 2 of the 4 and maybe even 3 of the 4 definitions apply to some of the regulars on this blog…

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 am

“At least you’re thinking, d2. That’s a start. ”

Or the beginning of the end.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 am

Alcoholism is a disease.

Well, it’s considered as such by the chemical dependency treatment business, and the medical community has largely
accepted it as such.

Yet the most prevelent treatment programs are 12 step (faith) based, demanding acceptance of a highter power, and the belief that the higher power will remove the problem.

Does anyone else see a contradiction?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 am

“I don’t think what Sarge said is worthy at all…not one bit.”

That’s your opinion Greg. Sarge personally disgusts me though.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 am

“Does anyone else see a contradiction?”

Interesting point Vomit.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:05 am

“Here’s another couple girlie pages for ya ..”

I didn’t realize those guys had a femine side!

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:08 am

I assume the chicks Letterman was nailing where “under him”.

Those of us that know Letterman is a graduate of Ball State University, saw this coming.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 am

“Does anyone else see a contradiction?”

Good point, vomit. You certainly wouldn’t treat diabetes through supplications to a higher power to cure the imbalance; in fact, a couple who resorted to that very procedure is now up on child neglect charges in Wisconsin.
Alcoholism has been designated a disease by the medical profession as a way to alleviate the social stigma associated with being a drunk. Good intentions but sloppy science.
By the way, the 12 step program is very effective in many instances, but I can tell you from personal experience that it is the very insistence on the intervention of a higher power for personal success in the program that drives some individuals away.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 am

Well I’m going out and try to find some dry firewood to start a fire in the woodstove. This “Globull Warming” has been awful!

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 am

Monty, that’s a good start, but there are more definitions than that:”

Troll

5)v.to fish for or in with a moving line, working the line up or down with a rod, as in fishing for pike, or trailing the line behind a slow-moving boat
6)v.to cause to turn round and round; roll
7)Obsolete. to hand around, as a bowl of liquor at table, or d2 on the BQ

Actually, dar, I think 3) can apply to guys at the bar looking for girls too.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:34 am

By the way, the 12 step program is very effective in many instances, but I can tell you from personal experience that it is the very insistence on the intervention of a higher power for personal success in the program that drives some individuals away.

It wasn’t the higher power that drove me away. I was driven away by seeing 19 out of every 20 people that entered a 12 step program fail to remain sober and being told there is NO other solution, sponsors offering dangerous advice to their sponsees, people living in constant fear of relapse, and other hypocrisies.

I was one of the 19 that kept bouncing in and out of meetings, and after fifteen years of hearing the slogan “insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result”, I decided it would be insane not to try some of the alternatives out there.

For me, it was an honest medical treatment, in the form of medication, that saved me.

I’m a big supporter of making treatment available to anyone that needs it, but I’d like to see more research being done towards more effective treatment methods.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 am

“saved me”

Watch out Vomit, SgtLiberalton is coming after you next!

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 am

Alcoholism is a compulsion like anything else isnt it? Its a mental disease it seems to me, but Im not an expert.

There are people who dont think depression or hoarding are diseases either I guess. I’ll go with the medical professionals opinion, but thats just my opinion.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 am

Liberalism is a disease. I hope we can someday find a cure for it.

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 am

Again good points vomit. One problem I have with the AA program is that they seem to believe you must have a physical dependency on alcohol to be considered a “true alcoholic”. The problem with this is that by the time you’ve reached physical dependency, there’s a good chance you’ve pretty much destroyed your own life as well as the lives of people that love you.

I have a family member who drinks like a fish 11 months out of the year, then takes 1 month off so he doesn’t become “addicted” — therefore, he reasons — he’s not an alcoholic — which is of course ridiculous.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:58 am

“I have a family member who drinks like a fish 11 months out of the year, then takes 1 month off so he doesn’t become “addicted” — therefore, he reasons — he’s not an alcoholic”

Sooo sarge,
are you and I brothers or cousins?

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 am

“I have a family member who drinks like a fish 11 months out of the year, then takes 1 month off so he doesn’t become “addicted” — therefore, he reasons — he’s not an alcoholic — which is of course ridiculous.”

Hopefully it’s the holiday’s they take off.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:08 am

“it was an honest medical treatment, in the form of medication, that saved me”

I’m glad you found something to help you get a handle on it, vomit. I agree that the 12 step program doesn’t work for everyone. It did work for me, but not for the reasons I think it’s designed to work. It pissed me off. I’m big on personal responsibility, and 12 step seemed to say that “we’re all powerless in the thrall of alcohol”. I got my back up, and I dried out.
I’m curious. Do you think alcolohism is a disease?

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:10 am

No GO I’m certain that’s not the case. I think it’s a common belief for people who are from the generation BEFORE the baby boomers.

DB, it’s before the holidays that he takes off. Thanksgiving is when he kicks it back into high gear.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:10 am

I guess the only reason one wouldn’t consider alcoholism a disease is that it originates from a behavior instead of being due to exposure to a biological contagion or having one of your cells mutate on you on its own.

Sure has disease-like very real physiological symptoms if you stick with it long enough though. I think addicts to alcohol or any other drug should be regarded as being in need of medical treatment (though it probably won’t help them if the treatment is compulsory).
I probably drink more than I should but I have the same respectful apprehension to AA that I do to most religions. Something about other humans presuming to know something about God puts me off.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:12 am

“DB, it’s before the holidays that he takes off. Thanksgiving is when he kicks it back into high gear.”

That makes for a nice holiday season. You have my condolences.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:12 am

“wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue
wedge issue”

Another great hit by the band “Rear Entry” Feel free to sing along Liberal greg, CS and Dobble-a-runs-

“Ain’t it good
Ain’t it right
That you three are together
Here tonight
The music playin’
your bodies swayin’ in time
(In time, in time, in time)

you guys Touching
So hairy and rough
Lord, feel such a sweat surrender
Beautiful is the dream that makes you brine

Mmm grunt mmmm grunt

You guys Rock gently
You guys Rock slowly
Take it easy
Don’t you know
That you guys have been loved like this before

baby baby

Mmm grunt mmmm grunt

You guys Rock gently
You guys Rock slowly
Take it easy
Don’t you know
That you guys have been loved like this before

Oh darlin’
Oh baby
the moves that drive you guys crazy
And on your face you see a drip of love
(Of love, of love, of love)

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 am

“I didn’t realize those guys had a femine side! ”

Of course, everyone realizes that you do…

at least you like to wear the clothes.

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:27 am

That makes for a nice holiday season. You have my condolences.

It’s actually the drinking that makes the holidays okay. He’s fine just as long as he doesn’t drive, which he’s responsible about. It’s before thanksgiving that he’s an unbearable pain.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 am

Sorry if the “bug-buggerer” jab hit too close to home, GO.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am

“I guess the only reason one wouldn’t consider alcoholism a disease is that it originates from a behavior instead of being due to exposure to a biological contagion or having one of your cells mutate on you on its own.”

There are genetic factors involved as well.

American Indians as an example.

Some people are actually allergic to alcohol. They are born with it and have a very low tolerance to alcohol which brings on very, very strange and sometimes dangerous behaviors.

This is why it’s been labeled as a disease.

The disease brings on the addiction since it tends to rearrange the synapsis between the brain cells…like a heroin addict but to a lesser degree.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:35 am

I agree that the 12 step program doesn’t work for everyone. It did work for me, but not for the reasons I think it’s designed to work. It pissed me off. I’m big on personal responsibility, and 12 step seemed to say that “we’re all powerless in the thrall of alcohol”. I got my back up, and I dried out.
I’m curious. Do you think alcolohism is a disease?

In all fairness, since each AA group is self governing, there’s a big difference between each individual group. If it’s working for someone, I would never encourage them to try anything different.

I definitely think it’s a form of mental illness in that the compulsion to feed an addiction overrides any rational thought, and the addiction itself creates irrational thought, i.e. the person who snorts the mortgage payment and convinces himself he’s doing well.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:38 am

Greg,

I really don’t care if you, Sean Hannity, or whoever has a Fece Book page, I just think it’s funny for guys to do something like that. I also don’t care what people do in their private lives as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. One of my favorite websites is Queer Conservative for example. I don’t want to know what he does in his personal life, but he has a hell of a good blog.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 am

“They are born with it and have a very low tolerance to alcohol which brings on very, very strange and sometimes dangerous behaviors.”

Not to sound racist, but is that why American Indians have such trouble with it? Just curious.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:47 am

“Not to sound racist, but is that why American Indians have such trouble with it? Just curious.”

Yes.

I studied the crap extensively many, many years ago.

If I’m not mistaken there are indicators which give the potential but I seriously can’t remember most of it anymore….

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am

“Greg,

I really don’t care if you, Sean Hannity, or whoever has a Fece Book page, I just think it’s funny for guys to do something like that.”

Yet you have a website .. .

uh huh.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am

“I definitely think it’s a form of mental illness in that the compulsion to feed an addiction overrides any rational thought, and the addiction itself creates irrational thought”

I like your definition, and please don’t take this as a shot, but look at the definition of “rationalize”

“to ascribe (one’s acts, opinions, etc.) to causes that superficially seem reasonable and valid but that actually are unrelated to the true, possibly unconscious and often less creditable or agreeable causes”

I don’t think alcoholism is a disease as much as it is a facet of the human condition, more prevalent in some than in others. To paraphrase Heinlein: Man is not a rational creature, he is a rationalizing creature.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am

“One of my favorite websites is Queer Conservative for example.”

Well that pretty much settles that debate ..

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 am

“Yet you have a website .. .”

So does Harley Davidson.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 am

“the person who snorts the mortgage payment and convinces himself he’s doing well.”

Sometimes I think it’s a sin
When I feel like I’m winnin’ when I’m losin again

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

“Well that pretty much settles that debate ..”

I don’t like the website because he’s queer Greg, I like it because it’s good, and he’s a conservtaive despite that fact that he’s gay. Most homos are very liberal.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 am

“In all fairness, since each AA group is self governing, there’s a big difference between each individual group.”

Kinda like Boy Scout Troops.

“If it’s working for someone, I would never encourage them to try anything different. ”

Amen.
But,
One time I was riding in the car with my Dad and his cell-phone rang. It was one of his 12-step sponsees. Dad was in the process of negotiating the cloverleaf on the Hwy 100-CrossTown junction, had to weave between merging cars and decelerate into the cloverleaf turn, and he actually answered his damn phone and started talking to his sponsee in the middle of this. Nearly lost control of the car. I was sitting there thinking, if you are risking your life and your only son’s along with the lives of other drivers around you all so you can listen to some loser blubber about his troubles, maybe you have a 12-Step problem…

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 am

“Sorry if the “bug-buggerer” jab hit too close to home, GO.”

No, I don’t mind at all a-runs. I’m just having fun with D2′s set up yesterday.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 am

“I’m just having fun with D2’s set up yesterday.”

Glad you enjoyed it GO. I’ll be here all week!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pm

“Glad you enjoyed it GO. I’ll be here all week!”

Let the games begin!
Looks like chicago is off the list for the olympics.
Rio, Rio, Rio!

“Many people had assumed Chicago would be a finalist. But International Olympic Committee members eliminated it only hours after Obama and his wife, Chicago native Michelle Obama, urged them to send the Summer Games to Obama’s adopted hometown. Obama had put his personal prestige on the line and his political capital at risk when he decided late in the competition to go to Copenhagen and make a personal appeal.”

Eliminated ONLY hours after Obama made his pitch. OOOOuch!!

Tiny bulbs says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm

ww.breitbart.tv/chicago-is-out-cnn-anchor-cant-believe-news-of-olympic-elimination/

Boy this CNN guy is ready to bomb the world over Chicago Losing.

“The Ego has Landed”

Tiny bulbs says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm

I’ll bet 20$ this turns out to be Bushs fault… I can 100% guarantee it

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm

“Eliminated ONLY hours after Obama made his pitch. OOOOuch!!”

Maybe we should send Obama to Iran to urge them NOT to stop their nuclear weapons program.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pm

and as far as alcholism is concerned, sometimes ya gotta show your body whose boss. Drink up, boys.

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pm

It is Bush’s fault Tiny. Wedge issues.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 pm

“I’ve never really had a disappointment like this,” said Ken Rudd, a 33-year-old salesman from Evergreen Park. “This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen.”

Boy, if this is the saddes thing you’ve seen you need to take a long hard look at how pathetic your life is.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm

“Boy, if this is the saddes thing you’ve seen you need to take a long hard look at how pathetic your life is. ”

No kidding ..

I don’t think holding the olympics in Chicago was such a good idea anyway.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm

“I don’t think holding the olympics in Chicago was such a good idea anyway.”

At least most of the dangerous thugs have moved to Moneyapolis.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm

I noticed this morning that if I click on opinion and Blogs from the Strib home page I no longer see a link to BQ. Wonder what that means. Had to find the URL in my browser history to get in.

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm

“Hey Erkall, Letterman is a hightly paid celebutard and fair game. He’s an unfunny liberal prick just like Bill Maher.”

So explain the D2 rules for when it’s OK to go after someone personally. When they’re “highly paid”? When they are “celebutards”? Is the origin of that word from “retard”? Is there a public figure difference between Letterman & someone who regularly and voluntarily contributes to a blog?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Doesn’t Obama know you have to bribe the Olympic Committee?

Guess not. Oh well.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm

“That’s Damage Control 101, Tiny. In most circles, he’d be fired for doing something like that – but by going public with this extortion thing, HE’S the victim. ”

Whether Letterman committed a firing offense I think depends on whether his advances were unwanted and/or a condition for promotion or continued employment for the ladies involved, no? CBS might wind up paying some settlements in all this before the dust settles.

I wonder if he got it on with the grinder girl.

Wasn’t there a similar deal in history, where J. Edgar Hoover was trying to extort Martin Luther King with knowledge of an extramarital affair King was having, and instead Dr. King went before his congregation and spilled the beans? I seem to recall Hoover was trying to goad King to kill himself. What a dweeb.

Damage control notwithstanding, I think letting the ugly secret out into daylight is the only good way to deal with extortion.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm

I like your definition, and please don’t take this as a shot, but look at the definition of “rationalize”

Until they identify a gene or chemical imbalance that can be shown is the direct of addiction, the debate will continue.

Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a problem that the individual must be responsible for dealing with, but the behavior I’ve seen when some people use drugs or alcohol defies anything you would expect to see in someone who has a fully functional brain.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Direct cause of addiction, is what I meant to say

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm

“So explain the D2 rules for when it’s OK to go after someone personally.”

Erkall, Letterman makes a living out of going after people personally. Why wouldn’t it be OK for people to do the same to him?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm

When I was in Psych 101 in school one of the valuable concepts I took from it was the stress-diathesis model of pathology.

Diathesis would be someone’s underlying suceptibility to disorder, usually meaning a genetic mine waiting to be stepped on.

Stress would be the thing in your experience in your environment that sets it off.

I’m thinking addicition IS a disease, where some are more susceptible than others and the symptoms manifest both physically and in one’s behavior. Both the physical and behavioral symptoms get worse the longer the disease goes unchecked. The onset of the disease is contingent on a mix of susceptibility and environmental factors that is a little different for everyone.

But it’s true the potential addict would never become diseased if they never took that first drink or sniff, or bet at the craps table or whatever.

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 2:32 pm

So then your answer is “because Letterman goes after people personally”? Cuz if that’s the standard, I’d be willing to bet Tiny goes after more people personally on a daily basis than Letterman does. Granted, there’a a different audience and a slight difference in $$, but I didn’t see these as part of your criteria.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 2:36 pm

“because Letterman goes after people personally”?

Remember when Letterman attacked Sarah Palin’s daughter? He was almost as disgusting as Sarge!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:03 pm

Record low temps in Michigan and Daytona Beach, Florida:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

How can this be? The lib’s on this blog have been claiming that the oceans are warming. Isn’t Daytona Beach right on the rapidly warming Atlantic Ocean?

I always thought Duluth for example was sometimes the coldest city in Minnesota because of Lake Superior, and even the warmest at times for the same reason. Go figure!

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:14 pm

“the behavior I’ve seen when some people use drugs or alcohol defies anything you would expect to see in someone who has a fully functional brain”

“Diathesis would be someone’s underlying suceptibility to disorder, usually meaning a genetic mine waiting to be stepped on”

Ok, I’ll try this again.
I guess it really doesn’t matter what we call it-disease, disorder, predisposition-it’s obvious that some people are susceptible to these types of compulsions and others are not(to varying degrees in either case, of course).
My wife is a good example of this. She is a cardiac ICU nurse-who smokes. She knows quite well that smoking is a very bad thing to do to your body, but she’s addicted to nicotine and wants to smoke. I say the battle is between the ears, and I can say that as someone who smoked for 20 some years before quitting, but maybe it’s just because I’m not as susceptible as she is to nicotine. I do know, for me, it was like I was fighting my mind and body for control of myself.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:16 pm

“She is a cardiac ICU nurse-who smokes”

She must drink a lot too being married to you Monty!

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 pm

“I do know, for me, it was like I was fighting my mind and body for control of myself.”

Sounds like a mental illness.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:22 pm

I think it’s pretty funny that Michael Moore is advertising his flick at the top of the Drudge home page.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm

“Isn’t Daytona Beach right on the rapidly warming Atlantic Ocean?”

Wrong ocean, d2. It’s the Pacific that experiences the warming episodes that influence our weather, although the overall water temperature in oceans of the world is indeed rising. And the weather this time of year in Daytona Beach has little to do with climate change, but never mind that. The “weather is not the same as climate” explaination has been made here plenty of times.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:25 pm

What does Michael Moore do with the profits from his movies? If I went to see this film, Id have to pay around $10 a ticket. ID HAVE TO PAY $10 to see a movie about how evil capitalism is. Ironic?

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm

“She must drink a lot too being married to you Monty”

Thirty years, d2(although sometimes it seems like more than that with the wind chill), and we’re still good buds. Alcohol is not a factor.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:30 pm

” I say the battle is between the ears.”

But if someone is a severe drunk for long enough, they can actually die if they try to stop cold turkey.
That’s not just all between the ears.

Part of what confuses people I think is it’s a spectrum. It’s possible to be just a little alcoholic and live to be a ripe old age, never once have the DT’s or other severe adverse effects other than farting and snoring more than you would have otherwise. Just like I have a little bit of asthma whereas for other people it’s a constant life-threatening concern.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm

“ID HAVE TO PAY $10 to see a movie about how evil capitalism is. Ironic?”

And the right says liberals don’t have a sense of humor……

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm

“It’s the Pacific that experiences the warming episodes that influence our weather”

Like the record cold in Idaho as well that is driving bums into shelters much earlier than normal?

http://www.drudgereport.com

And Monty, why is only the Pacific warming then, not the Atlantic?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm

“What does Michael Moore do with the profits from his movies?”

Well, he pays bodygaurds to keep the whackos at a safe distance.

And I’m guessing he consumes a lot of ice cream. or pork rinds, or something with a lot of calories.

Probably does a lot of the same things anyone does with money. He just has more of it than most of us.

The irony of a millionaire complaining about the evils of Capitalism is not lost on me.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm

“And the right says liberals don’t have a sense of humor…… ”

They don’t. Neither Michael Moore, David Letterman, Bill Maher, or Al Franken are funny.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm

“And Monty, why is only the Pacific warming then, not the Atlantic?”

All I can tell you is you’re going to have to read more than the Drudge Report to find out, troll.
As if you didn’t know…..

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm

“All I can tell you is you’re going to have to read more than the Drudge Report to find out, troll.”

Good way to dodge the question Monty!

If I didn’t have an answer I guess I might do the same thing.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm

Thanks Monty. I love that show and think Sterling was by far one of the greatest writers ever.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm

SERLING, with no T.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm

“I noticed this morning that if I click on opinion and Blogs from the Strib home page I no longer see a link to BQ. Wonder what that means. Had to find the URL in my browser history to get in.”

It means that the Strib could pull the plug on this blog any day now. I don’t think it’s turned into the propaganda tool for the democrat party that they planned on DAR.

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm

“If I didn’t have an answer I guess I might do the same thing”

Since I never have an answer I guess I do the same thing.

Fixed it.

But enough of this, d2. We’ve gone over and over the climate change debate recently. There were lots of links provided. Did you read any of them? If not(and I sincerely doubt that you have), there’s nothing to talk about.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm

“Capitalism would have never let me be a filmmaker, living in Flint, Michigan with a high school education.”

-Michael Moore, TIME magazine.

So which country do you live in????

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm

“I love that show and think Sterling was by far one of the greatest writers ever.”

Me too.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm

“But enough of this, d2.”

I had a valid question Monty which you either refuse or don’t know how to answer, and don’t refer me to some flawed government study.

Again, if oceans are warming to dangerous levels, how can Daytona Beach get record cold temperatures?

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

Are there lots of successful filmakers with highschool educations making films as widly seen as Moore’s living in Sweeden?

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm

“Again, if oceans are warming to dangerous levels, how can Daytona Beach get record cold temperatures?”

In short, because it’s climate change, not global warming, d2, as you would know if you had been paying attention lately.
And who said anything about “oceans are warming to dangerous levels”? Take your strawmen back to your cave, troll.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm

Monty did you know he was a paratrooper in WWII and got much of his anti war feelings from that experience?

monty says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm

Aye, and he was decorated.
As far as I’m concerned, the Twilight Zone is the best TV show yet-bar none.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm

“because it’s climate change, not global warming, d2″

Good point Monty! This convenient change in definition allows you liberals to blame EVERYTHING on “Globull Warming” no matter how stupid you look.

People aren’t buying it anymore, and even democrat politicians are backing off from Cap and Tax, which is great news for America.

Deacon Blues says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm

“As far as I’m concerned, the Twilight Zone is the best TV show yet-bar none”

It said in the article that he felt he was a failure because he never wrote for the stage. Id say all you need to do is adapt the shows and do a few at the Guthrie. Guaranteed success.

Id do the Obsolete Man, The Invaders and One For The Angels.

O.T. says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm

I remember when i stated i had a couple of Leinies one night and Dora said I was a drunk, probably with lapdog sarge on her heels.

I find it funny that Sarge believes that alcoholism isn’t a innate trait but homosexuality is. probably more of his contradictory logic I lampooned him earlier for.

“I am not gay, i just suck cock once in awhile” says sarge.

“I drink to blackout, everyday but its not a disease and shake when I don’t” says the faking alcoholic.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm

I think it’s pretty funny that Michael Moore is advertising his flick at the top of the Drudge home page.

I followed Tiny’s Breitbart link and the banner at the top was for Netflix, displaying Sean Penn as Harvey Milk.

That’s absurd squared.

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm

She must drink a lot too being married to you Monty!

How is that any better than what Sarge said to Tiny?

להקיא says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm

II say the battle is between the ears, and I can say that as someone who smoked for 20 some years before quitting

It sounds like we have different definitions of what constitutes a disease, but a disease is how most of the medical community describes it.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:04 pm

“I remember when i stated i had a couple of Leinies one night and Dora said I was a drunk, probably with lapdog sarge on her heels. ”

Were you? What’s a couple?

Always found it interesting that LEO’s didn’t like admitting when they were buzzed…

almost like they were above that sort of thing.

Then again, there were a few that thought they were above most things…

like having sh!t that stunk.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:11 pm

“How is that any better than what Sarge said to Tiny? ”

Because Monty is defined as liberal on the D2 scale…

therefore he doesn’t matter.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:11 pm

“It is Bush’s fault Tiny. Wedge issues.”

I’m an old lefty and a seriously smart one. Seems like I’m way ahead of todays lunatics on this one.

By this weekend it will be Bushs War etc etc that made the world dislike us so much NOT EVEN the great man could over come that and get the Olympics here.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm

“By this weekend it will be Bushs War etc etc that made the world dislike us so much NOT EVEN the great man could over come that and get the Olympics here. ”

That’s why it will be a good weekend to be in the shop trying to fix stuff.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm

“How is that any better than what Sarge said to Tiny?”

Good point Hymie kike Jewboy. (Filter test, nothing personal.)

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

“By this weekend it will be Bushs War etc etc that made the world dislike us so much NOT EVEN the great man could over come that and get the Olympics here. ”

Has anyone accused the IOC of being racist yet?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm

“How is that any better than what Sarge said to Tiny? ”

I was joking and I think most people realize that, while Sarge wasn’t and took a mean and uncalled for shot at a fellow blogger.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm

“Has anyone accused the IOC of being racist yet? ”

Maybe Dora or Parthian will.

But c’mon everyone knows you have to bribe the IOC. The MORMONS understood you have to bribe the IOC.

Of course the Brazilians understand you have to bribe the IOC. But Obama’s painted into a corner because of the job he has and the persona he’s created for himself. The best he could do was stand up there and be like, well, now that the world respects us again because I’m President, let’s have the Olympics in America.
That gets you voted out in the first round.

Maybe if Blagojevich was still in charge in IL, MAYBE then the Olympics might have gone to Chicago.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm

So I’m watchin’ this Senate committee last night and …Mandated health insurance without a penalty.

I just wonder how ( even if affordable by the 7% income rule ) this is going to get them 18-35 year-olds in the system.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:02 pm

“But c’mon everyone knows you have to bribe the IOC. The MORMONS understood you have to bribe the IOC.”

The Chicago machine used to be the “masters of the universe” that way. Could Obama have screwed that up too?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm

“I just wonder how ( even if affordable by the 7% income rule ) this is going to get them 18-35 year-olds in the system. ”

Without knowing the particulars of the plan you’re responding to, tiny,
I gotta figure it’s the old folks that matter in the 2010 elections. I mean, realistically, the 18-35-year-olds showed up in droves to elect Obama, but Congressional elections, mid-term? They’ll be pretty apathetic about that. But them old folks, they show up for every election and they’re the biggest stakeholders in any change you make to health insurance. So if you can convince all the old folks that they’ll keep their coverage as-is if it’s mandated that all the young’uns have to pay for coverage they don’t statistically need, whammo. The young’uns will have premiums coming out of their McDonald’s paychecks before they can say, “dude, have you checked out the new wii game?”
Might even take ‘em a couple years to notice.

I’m really cynical tonight. It feels kinda good. But really, in all seriousness, I believe that if we have mandated health insurance and a public option is provided, we’ll all be glad in the end.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:04 pm

“now that the world respects us again because I’m President”

Right, right…..

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:15 pm

“I was joking and I think most people realize that, while Sarge wasn’t and took a mean and uncalled for shot at a fellow blogger. ”

You’re lying your @ss off and coming back with some kind of Eddie Haskell bullsh!t …

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm

“But really, in all seriousness, I believe that if we have mandated health insurance and a public option is provided, we’ll all be glad in the end.”

If this was truly about health care I could agree. But it’s not.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm

“If this was truly about health care I could agree. But it’s not”

You mean the ‘look what I did’ get elected again stuff?

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm

“If this was truly about health care I could agree. But it’s not”

And yes, I wish it was JUST about health care ..

my guess is that it would fly through.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm

“You mean the ‘look what I did’ get elected again stuff?”

Yes and no.

Look at the house bill. Remember the “wall” that didn’t allow the CIA to share information with other LEO? This thing tears down just about every privacy wall there is.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm

“Look at the house bill. Remember the “wall” that didn’t allow the CIA to share information with other LEO? This thing tears down just about every privacy wall there is.”

Can you reference the section for me? Honestly, multiple pages are an issue right now.

I’d owe you a root beer or something.

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm

I posted the site however, it appears to have been deleted.

Apparently this terrorist group is alive and well in MN ..

You can look at this and follow the links ..

These folks are scary.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/event.php?eid=147691416103&ref=nf

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 pm

I’d owe you a root beer or something.

Here you go. I’ll bring the ice cream.

http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm

“Here you go. I’ll bring the ice cream.”

Thay there thCSth don’t you mean Ithcream.!!! Ahahahahhahahahaha

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:15 pm

Okay .. that really takes mandatory to a new level.

I guess it makes a statement? A rather strong statement?

And remember .. I can only grasp about 20% of that ..

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm

“I was joking and I think most people realize that,”

You bet we do D2. At least us non-liberal (not Greg) hetero (not CS) men do.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm

I was only kidding CS. I don’t think your any more or less gay than D2. But this greg guy “♪♫ Flaming Liberal ♪♫”.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

“Thay there thCSth don’t you mean Ithcream.!!! Ahahahahhahahahaha”

If I’m not having a real beer, I prefer root beer floats.

Been to any hot tub parties lately?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm

♪♫ Flaming Liberal ♪♫”

With a bad mullet.

O.T. says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm

Greg, i left the “heavy” drinking days back in college, twenty some years ago. Was i drunk after two beers? Uh, no, a man my size would need about 5 to even come close to .08. Now, I get “drunk” once a year, when me and the boys go to Bockfest in New Ulm. No one has to drive, we hire a bus, and everyone is responsible but still likes to have fun.

The other 364 days, I would be surprised if I drank over two cases of beer.

I thought Obama said he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone making under $250k a year???? I guess all the handicapped people in the US are doing pretty well then- I didn’t know that.

Powered wheelchairs, hearing aids just a few of the devices to be taxed in Dem plan to fund health reform.

Liar Liar , pants on fire.

O.T. says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

Pacemakers
Hip joint replacements
Gastrointestinal tubes
Artificial hearts
Hearing aids
Porcelain teeth
Heart defibrillators
Prosthetic heart valve rotators
Powered wheelchairs
Ventilators

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm

“With a bad mullet”

♪♫ Flaming Mullet ♪♫

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm

“You’re lying your @ss off and coming back with some kind of Eddie Haskell bullsh!t …”

There….see that……right there…thats gregs lady posting. Greg blacked out and almost drowned in his bib drool. Right there.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:34 pm

♪♫ Flaming Mullet ♪♫

We’ll have to go over to TA and ask EBF if that’s one of them “clues”

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:37 pm

“Right there”

I think you’re on to something. Or on something.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm

“I think you’re on to something. Or on something.”

Probably both!!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm

“I think you’re on to something. Or on something.”

Hey! CS, don’t belittle the mind of a cronic heavey drinker. I don’t have a problum with alcohol. Its the mussle relaxers that mess me up. I have a shell fish alergy don’tch know.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm

“We’ll have to go over to TA and ask EBF if that’s one of them “clues””

EBF is busy getting inside Leland8.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm

Twilight Zone 50 year aniversary.

SgtPendleton says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:47 pm

I was joking and I think most people realize that, while Sarge wasn’t and took a mean and uncalled for shot at a fellow blogger.

I have nothing in common with Tiny…except maybe high cholesterol and wedge issues.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm

Hey! CS, don’t belittle the mind of a cronic heavey drinker

Why would I belittle myself?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm

“I have nothing in common with Tiny…except maybe high cholesterol and wedge issues.”

And switching parties.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:52 pm

Whoa….I just got an e-mail from the Bicycle Transportation Alliance. It’s an automatic response confirming they recieved my submission.

Must…check….sent …..message…box
(read as captain Kirk)

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm

“And switching parties.”

Truth, I thought that read panties, really. I swear. Heavy spitake on the monitor. What a waste of vodka. But a good waste. I’m going with panties anyway.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm

I found this e-mail I sent to the Bicycle Transportation Alliance. More mix less Ice

“The BTA should be taken seriously when they oust the 12 year olds from their leadership.

They don’t want to pay registration fees to help with the costs of bike lanes and paths.

They want to change traffic laws that would allow them to NOT make a full stop at stop signs. Are they serious? Its hard enough to keep track of these clowns already when you’re operating a motor vehicle.

And the final blow to their intelligence is counting entrance and exit ramps as thru traffic lanes on the columbia river bridge.

I say lets build them a oneway bike path out of the state.”

Greg 63 says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:00 pm

“You bet we do D2. At least us non-liberal (not Greg) hetero (not CS) men do. ”

You spit your drink out laughing when you wrote that right?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm

“I’m going with panties anyway.”

I forgot about the homoerotic thing.

Dora says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm

If you took out all the locker room banter there would be very few posts of substance in these topics. And they only post new topics when a MN politician is directly involved as if nothing else is of consequence. They should pull the plug on this blog.

Deacon Blues says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm

“They should pull the plug on this blog.”

Don’t like it here anymore Dora? Take a hike.

Downtown Dan says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm

They should pull the plug on this blog.

You kids g’t off my lawn!

O.T. says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pm

I will join in on this one. Shut it, duhora. I know that will get you going.

SgtPendleton says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm

OD’s feeling ignored, so he’s using the classic wussy tactic of joining the crowd in attacking someone.

Regardless, I find it so interesting that you think you offend me with suggestions that I’m gay. There’s lots of people in the world who engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex. There’s nothing wrong or shameful about that.

But you sure do seem to think and talk about it an awful lot for someone’s who’s supposed to be straight.

O.T. says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 6:18 pm

It is humorous that yo think I am the one with they gay problem when you are the one who thinks alcoholics are faking it. I also find it humorous that while accusing me of such, you make allusions to say I am gay, trying to make it seem like it is a bad thing. You liberals are comical. Besides, I was making fun of your thinking process, not that you are gay. I don’t care if you are gay or not, no difference to me.

I never need a reason to make fun of Duh-ra. Usually it is just to easy to make of the old bag, much like you and barfian.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm

“They should pull the plug on this blog.”

Is anyone else’s mental picture of Dora look like this?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/395961055_7046d591a4_o.jpg

Deacon Blues says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:20 pm

“There’s lots of people in the world who engage in sexual activity with members of the same sex. There’s nothing wrong or shameful about that.”

Are you gay? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Deacon Blues says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:22 pm

I always had this image in my mind. Dora’s a nurse right?

http://image.minyanville.com/assets/FCK_Aug2007/Image/Nico/OneFlewRatched2.jpg

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:26 pm

“Are you gay? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

At a minimum, he’s Jonesin’ for another homoerotic experience.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that either.

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:48 pm

“I always had this image in my mind. Dora’s a nurse right?”

I’m thinking more like Ms. Ballbreaker ..

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:49 pm

“At a minimum, he’s Jonesin’ for another homoerotic experience.”

..with D2.

And there’s nothing wrong with that.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:55 pm

“..with D2.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. ”

I’m not so sure about that.

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm

“I’m not so sure about that. ”

Because D2 will tell us all about it?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm

“Because D2 will tell us all about it?”

More like two wrongs don’t make a right.

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 8:10 pm

“More like two wrongs don’t make a right. ”

Maybe it would make a moderate?

SgtPendleton says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm

When did I say Tiny was “faking” it? I just said he had brain damage — which he himself discussed at one point.

Speaking of brain damage, all that time at the indoor gun range must have given you lead poisoning.

My God you’re dumb.

SgtPendleton says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 8:31 pm

Are you gay? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

DB, back in the pre-ThinkAgain era, people like OD, PreecherCash, and 2Dim were the most proflifc posters at BQ. There were a lot of homophobic comments — not the ribbing like goes on here, but really anti-gay comments.

When called a “fag” by OD, I decided to stand in solidarity with my gay and lesbian friends and neither confirm nor deny my sexual orientation.

DB, I HATE homophobia in all forms. Some of the bravest people I’ve known in my life are gay — so I find it ironic that idiots like OD figure it to be a sign of weakness (or lack of manhood).

O.T. says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:10 pm

once again the accusations fly with no evidence but sorghum’s word as gospel, huh?

how heavy the world’s responsibility must weigh on your weak shoulders.

sarge, who stands by his glb kinfolk has no problem insinuating others he disagrees with to be gay, how ironic.

you are the perez hilton of the blog.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:12 pm

WHOOO HOOO!

Twins are tied for 1st place!!!!!

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Saw that too ..

be kinda cool to seen the dome finale go down well ..

but that’s some unrealistic wishful thinking ..

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:25 pm

“http://tinyurl.com/justforsarge”

Cant’ believe they didn’t work in “Funbags”

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:29 pm

I didn’t look cuz it would be sexist and stuff ..

really ..

seriously ..

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 pm

That’s gonna p1ss off dora ..

O.T. says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm

greg- i asked you before once. i looked at your site there- is that bar you are at, the place next to the cabooze? the joint? or where is that, it looks very familiar.

Greg 63 says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:44 pm

I can’t remember the name of it .. but it’s not a bar. I think it was near the egg and I in the uptown.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm

“That’s gonna p1ss off dora ..”

I think they missed “dairy pillows” too.

Deacon Blues says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 10:25 pm

“DB, I HATE homophobia in all forms. Some of the bravest people I’ve known in my life are gay — so I find it ironic that idiots like OD figure it to be a sign of weakness (or lack of manhood).”

I understand what you mean. My best friend is gay. It took a lot of guts for him to come out.

Deacon Blues says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 pm

“I can’t remember the name of it .. but it’s not a bar. I think it was near the egg and I in the uptown.”

Bob’s Java Hut?

SgtPendleton says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:13 am

Officer Douchenozzle, I’m a 10x the man you will ever be, and I can’t even bench 200lbs!

adlib says:

October 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am

“They should pull the plug on this blog.”

Appears like it’s already happened. That should be the topic dujour on this, the last new thread: New ownership’s preference? Every forum must now have an editor?

Congratulations to D2 and company for an apparent shift of political preference by the STRIB. I’m sure it’s still far too liberal for your taste, but the TA blog is in and the BQ is out. ‘Team liberal’ might actually be said to have won the debate if ‘team conservative policy resorts to the usual means of limiting dissent, i.e. exclusions and lockouts.

The inmates running their own asylum might also be the rationale for taking it down. Not that the BQ url is the domain of the insane or that blogging here is any kid of addiction. I’m sure that at least some of the friendships here aren’t imaginary and, given that ‘you wanna go where everyone knows your alias and/or alibi,’ ubiquity on the BQ is very comforting.

Watched Ken Burns’s series on the National Parks last week. It made me want to take at least one hike, perhaps several.

O.T. says:

October 4th, 2009 at 10:11 am

Sarge. let me tell you the same thing I tell my guys and also the pieces of sheet we deal with. If you have to tell someone how tough you are, how much of a man you are, or in your pitiful case, how enlightened and smart you are, then you ain’t sheet. Go tell your kids how smart you are, and how great you are. I would wager they are the only ones you still have fooled and they will come around soon enough. Idiot.

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

“Sarge. let me tell you the same thing I tell my guys and also the pieces of sheet we deal with. If you have to tell someone how tough you are, how much of a man you are, or in your pitiful case, how enlightened and smart you are, then you ain’t sheet. ”

Of course, if you need to pretend you’re everyone’s dad ..

then you probably have some insecurities fo your own.

John E Iacono says:

October 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Homosexuals we have always had with us. Part of the variability of the genes, with some social conditioning thrown in.

It can’t be disputed that if the whole world were gay, the race would not long continue, so cultures from time immemorial have tended to frown on the behavioural results.

Persons with different sexual orientation probably cannot be faulted.

But what can be faulted, in either hetero- or homosexuals, is promiscuous behavior. I am NOT neutral on this, as a few commenters here seem to be. Orientation and sexual practices are not the same.

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

“But what can be faulted, in either hetero- or homosexuals, is promiscuous behavior. I am NOT neutral on this, as a few commenters here seem to be.”

You mean you can’t get laid?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

“DB, I HATE homophobia in all forms. Some of the bravest people I’ve known in my life are gay”

This is funny because just the other day I was haveing a conversation with one of my liberal friends discussing how back in high school we got along with all the other clicks; stoners, jocks, nerds, prepy, cheerleaders, drama queens. All groups except for gays. they were’nt invented yet.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 4th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

adlib,
I’ve been watching the state park series all week. Once again Ken Burns rolls out a winner. Had the satillite dish unhooked. We get 15 digital channels with the converter box where as we only got 2, mostly snow, before.

I would have missed the show watching O’rielly or Hannity if we still had Dish TV. HA :-)

GO lonoscopy says:

October 4th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

Maybe Ken Burns could do a documentary on Globull Warming…….no wait, he doesn’t do fiction.

SgtPendleton says:

October 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

You mean the National Park series? Yeah that guy’s awesome. My favorites so far have been Civil War and Jazz. WWII was pretty kickass too – almost as good as band of brothers.

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

“All groups except for gays. they were’nt invented yet.”

That’s because you didn’t have a name for what you were doing …

I’ll bet Tiny told you not to do that stuff though.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

My internet FINALLY works again. My provider was having problems all weekend.

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

“My internet FINALLY works again. My provider was having problems all weekend. ”

Or your provider took the bribe….

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

“Or your provider took the bribe….”

HEY!! I paid ‘em for the WHOLE weekend!!!

O.T. says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

Very comforting:
Newly discovered evidence shows the radical advocacy group ACORN has a man in the Obama White House.

This power behind the throne is longtime ACORN operative Patrick Gaspard. He holds the title of White House political affairs director, the same title Karl Rove held in President Bush’s White House.

Evidence shows that years before he joined the Obama administration, Gaspard was ACORN boss Bertha Lewis’s political director in New York.

Lewis, the current “chief organizer” or CEO of ACORN, was head of New York ACORN from at least 1994 through 2008, when she took over as national leader of ACORN. With Gaspard at work in the White House, Lewis might as well be speaking to President Obama through an earpiece as he goes about his daily business ruining the country.
But that’s not all.
In 2008 Barack Obama hired Patrick Gaspard, a top official of the powerhouse New York-based healthcare workers union 1199, an SEIU affiliate and the largest local union in the country. In 2004, Patrick Gaspard Served As National Field Director For 527 Organization America Coming Together, a group that was later fined $775,000 in civil penalties by the federal government.

ACT hired dozens of felons some convicted of sex offenses, assault and burglary – to conduct door-to-door voter registration drives in Missouri and at least two other swing states. America Coming Together employed felons as voter canvassers in major metropolitan areas in Missouri, Florida, Ohio and perhaps in other states among the 17 it targeted in its drive. Some of the felons lived in halfway houses, and at least four returned to prison.

Seven of the ACT employees lived at Missouri halfway houses and at least four returned to prison. Because of this the Missouri Department Of Corrections banished ACT from its pool of potential employers for parolees, saying, “They did not want offenders handing sensitive personal information.” The names of two of the ACT employees even matched those of people convicted of murder and rape. ACT was also good at getting the dead voters signed up in time for the election.

So after his organization was fined $750,000 for election violations that included hiring rapists and burglars (and possibly murderers) to canvass for his far left group, Patrick Gaspard was hired into the Obama White House.
Of course, none of this surprises us.

Downtown Dan says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Maybe Ken Burns could do a documentary on Globull Warming…….no wait, he doesn’t do fiction.

And you obviously don’t do non-fiction.

In our last post, we determined whether global warming was still happening by adding up all the heat content of the climate system. Murphy 2009 performed this analysis and found that that planet has been accumulating heat up to 2003. Unfortunately their data ends there as the ocean data they used from Domingues 2008 stops at the end of 2003. So how do we find out what’s happened from 2003 until now? Unfortunately, there is no time series (that I know of) of the planet’s total heat content up to present time. However, we do have the next best thing.

Global hydrographic variability patterns during 2003–2008 (Schuckmann 2009) analyses ocean temperature measurements by the Argo network, constructing a map of ocean heat content down to 2000 metres (H/T to Chris for bringing it to my attention). This is significantly deeper than other recent papers that focus on upper ocean heat, only going down to 700 metres. They constructed the following time series of global ocean heat:

*Figure 1: Time series of global mean heat storage (0–2000 m), measured in 108 Jm-2.*

Globally, the oceans have still been steadily accumulating heat right to the end of 2008. Combined with the results of Murphy 2009 who finds the planet accumulating heat right to 2003, we now see a picture of unbroken global warming. Over the last 5 years, the oceans have been absorbing heat at a rate of 0.77 ± 0.11 Wm−2.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-we-know-global-warming-is-happening-Part-2.html

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

Has Illegal Immigration Been Good For Downtown L.A.? ( Los Angeles / Undocumented Aliens )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZJQT9tCKHU

People should be outraged!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

“Globally, the oceans have still been steadily accumulating heat right to the end of 2008.”

Then explain why Daytona Beach, FL just set a record low temperature Downtown Dem, Monty couldn’t do it. Last I checked, Daytona beach was right on the ocean, and shouldn’t the rapidly warming Atlantic keep it from getting anywhere near record cold temps?

(I can’t wait for this one!)

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

FBI’a Most Wanted:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/vc/murders/vc_murders.htm

I’ll bet there isn’t an illegal in the bunch, right SgtLiberalton!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

Nazi Soci@lists March in South Minneapolis:

http://www.startribune.com/local/63454237.html?elr=KArks:DCiUnP::DE8c7PiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Damn National Soci@list Movement. People should be outraged!

Downtown Dan says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

Then explain why Daytona Beach, FL just set a record low temperature

We’re talking about air temperature now.

What’s happening is that as cubic miles of land ice melts and runs into the oceans the local ocean surface temps drop and the local atmosphere responds. Our most recent jet stream has been bringing this cooled northern air, cooled by this incredible amount of melting ice runoff, almost straight south creating unseasonably cold land temps further south than normal.

The unprecedented (in historic terms) land ice melt has helped keep land air temps from running away, reflected in somewhat stable land temps over the last decade, but the globally oceans have still been absorbing heat – in spite of some regional cooling effects due to all this land ice-water running into the oceans, and as such have continued to warm.

Our planet, in a “global” sense, is continuing to warm.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

“In our last post, we determined whether global warming was”

“our”? “we”?
Danno, You do know that that turd in your pocket does not count as plural, meaning more than one, don’tcha?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

“What’s happening is that as cubic miles of land ice melts and runs into the oceans the local ocean surface temps drop and the local atmosphere responds. Our most recent jet stream has been bringing this cooled northern air, cooled by this incredible amount of melting ice runoff, almost straight south creating unseasonably cold land temps further south than normal.”

Th’ th’ the spin of the century. Th’ Th’ Th’ Thats all folks.

O.T. says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

From George Will on the vanity of the Obamas.

What’s alarming is whether it indicates a belief on the part of the President which is that there is no problem that will not melt before the sunshine of his charm. And this is evidence again that it’s not so. The President and First Lady went to Copenhagen and gave little speeches about themselves. She, Mrs. Obama, used the first-person singular pronoun in some form or another, “I” or “me”, sixteen, 34 times in sixteen paragraphs. He used it 23 times in thirteen paragraphs. It was all about them, and the danger is an adjective sooner or later attaches to presidents. Honest Abe, Tricky Dick Nixon. All kinds of adjectives. The danger to the President is that Vain is going to attach to him.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

“We’re talking about air temperature now.”

Dan, the extremely warm Atlantic which is “melting all the ice” in the Arctic would surely override any cold air temp in Florida caused by ice melt, preventing any record cold temperature. You must know how Lake Superior controls the temp of Duluth, don’t you?

You’re claim is non-sense and sounds like the B.S. Algore would spew.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

“We’re talking about air temperature now.”

Why ya’ll feed the troll is beyond me. It seems you make the assumption that he has some idea of what he speaks.

“The unprecedented (in historic terms) land ice melt”

God you’re funny.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

“It seems you make the assumption that he has some idea of what he speaks.”

As if Downtown Dem does…..

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

“Why ya’ll feed the troll is beyond me. It seems you make the assumption that he has some idea of what he speaks.”

Ya know .. you’re right. You can’t help those that don’t want to be helped.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

“Ya know .. you’re right. You can’t help those that don’t want to be helped.”

Or those that are paid for their services.

http://payperpost.com/bloggers/get-paid-to-blog.html

dare2sayit.com says:

October 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Will California become America’s first failed state?

Los Angeles, 2009: California may be the eighth largest economy in the world, but its state staff are being paid in IOUs, unemployment is at its highest in 70 years, and teachers are on hunger strike.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/04/california-failing-state-debt

“So what has gone so catastrophically wrong?”

Anwer: Massive illegal immigration and liberal policy.

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

“Or those that are paid for their services.”

Couldn’t be ..

This is the first line in their ‘Code of Ethics’:

“Be Honest with Yourself and Your Readers”

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

“Be Honest with Yourself and Your Readers”

I don’t believe the troll has covered either one of those bases.

Greg 63 says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

We are in agreement

monty says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

OT writes:

“If you have to tell someone how tough you are, how much of a man you are, or in your pitiful case, how enlightened and smart you are, then you ain’t sheet”

Just the facts:

O.T. says:

September 24th, 2009 at 8:04 am

I have more balls than you and don’t care what you think.

O.T. says:

September 10th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

Also, if you think I wouldn’t talk sh*t to your face, it goes to show you have no idea wtf you speak about, tough guy.

O.T. says:

August 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

Please continue your femmy,fake toughness and big talk in your lame attempt to show intellectual superiority. I would put my education against yours any day, tough guy.

Serge is just depressed and angry now that I have a littel extra time to make my own comments, he is getting a smackdown on a regular basis.

Makes on think of the immortal words of the Duke:

“I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.”

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

“Just the facts:”

Karma, and archived data, are b!tches.

O.T. says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

Karma, and archived data, are b!tches.

and so are you. you must have lots of free time. much like the liberal press, you fail to show the preceding commentary by the other person though. typical.

O.T. says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

perhaps I should have explained the original statement further. when the criminal toughies start saying how tough they are or how they are going to beat my ass, my response is always “why you talking when you could be doing it?”.

I have no problem taking action or talking sh*t back in response to other’s boasts or threats.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

“and so are you.”

Yeah, yeah. I’m rubber your glue. Learned that a while ago.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

“perhaps I should have explained the original statement further. when the criminal toughies start saying how tough they are or how they are going to beat my ass, my response is always “why you talking when you could be doing it?”.”

O.T.,

I get all that.

And if you are truly a LEO, I have the utmost respect for you, as long as you do things by the book.

O.T. says:

October 4th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

CS, nothing shuts the wife abusers and tough-talking gangbangers down faster than calling them out for the pvssies they are. Child and wife abusers are my Achilles heel, I hate the effers.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

“I hate the effers.”

Couldn’t agree more.

Downtown Dan says:

October 4th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

Dan, the extremely warm Atlantic which is “melting all the ice” in the Arctic would surely

You do know it only takes 33 degrees to start melting ice, don’t you?

You must know how Lake Superior controls the temp of Duluth, don’t you?

Same principle, but I shouldn’t be surprised you have no idea how it relates to what I said.

http://www.climatedepot.com/

This is a parody site, and the joke’s obviously on you.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

“This is a parody site,”

Much like this one.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 4th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

“A surprising number of celebrities and media figures have come to the defense of Roman Polanksi, arguing that the famous director should not have to face justice for raping a 13-year-old girl. Journalist Cokie Roberts veered way off in the other direction on Sunday, suggesting that he be killed.

“Roman Polanski is a criminal,” Roberts said on ABC’s “This Week.” “He raped and drugged and raped and sodomized a child. And then was a fugitive from justice. As far as I’m concerned, just take him out and shoot him.”

What she said!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/04/cokie-roberts-on-polanski_n_309084.html

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:36 am

“You do know it only takes 33 degrees to start melting ice, don’t you?”

Downtown Dem, saying that Daytona Beach hit a record low temperture because the Atlantic Ocean which it’s next to is unusually warm is rediculous. Your explanation is like saying you can cool your house by keeping the refrigerator door open. It’s liberal non-sense, and I hope most people are seeing through these leftist lies.

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 7:41 am

Downtown Dem, saying that Daytona Beach hit a record low temperture because the Atlantic Ocean which it’s next to is unusually warm is rediculous.

I said it was because the Arctic in general is unusually warm, that has been causing unusually large amounts of ice to melt and cool the surface of the Arctic ocean, which cooled northern air, which a strong jet stream brought south. These are all regional events that led to Daytona Beach experiencing an unseasonably cold snap.

Still doesn’t mean that, as measured, GLOBALLY the oceans aren’t absorbing more heat every year. They are, and your inability to understand the forces at work doesn’t change that.

But I’m explaining this to someone who doesn’t understand that fascism and White Supremacists are Right wing and not Left wing political philosophies, so I don’t expect you to understand basic science any better.

monty says:

October 5th, 2009 at 8:18 am

“I have no problem taking action or talking sh*t back in response to other’s boasts or threats”

Me neither.

“And if you are truly a LEO, I have the utmost respect for you, as long as you do things by the book”

Me too.

“I hate the effers.”

Me three. In spades.

I just wanted to point out the irony, OT. As you may have noticed, I just looooove the ironic.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 8:53 am

“I said it was because the Arctic in general….”

Dan, dont you ever get tired of being run in circles by these guys? Maybe tomorrow you’ll get through to them and they’ll see things your way?

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 9:21 am

OD have you noticed you’re the only person I talk to that way? Why do you suppose that is?

O.T. says:

October 5th, 2009 at 9:34 am

Cuzzzzz, you are a cyber warrior?

Cuzzzzzz, your impotence makes you quesxtion your manhood?

Cuzzzzzz, your crappy life in general makes you lash out?

Don’t know, don’t care. If you notice also, you are the only one i also talk to this way mostly, except maybe barfian.

gotta go, busy day today plus having about thirty over for vikes game 2nite. skol, vikings!

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 9:57 am

What does manhood mean to you OD?

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 10:09 am

Dan, dont you ever get tired of being run in circles by these guys?

I look at it like skeet shooting.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 10:45 am

“I look at it like skeet shooting.”

Really? From where Im standing it looks more like a game of fetch.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am

“gotta go, busy day today plus having about thirty over for vikes game 2nite. skol, vikings!”

OT, do you ever notice how often you talk about your affluent lifestyle?

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 10:48 am

“your crappy life in general makes you lash out?”

How many inches is your TV?

monty says:

October 5th, 2009 at 11:23 am

As the leadership change begins for the MN repubs, Marty Seifert emerges as the early leader in the run up to the ’12 govenors race.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/63453812.html?page=1&c=y

להקיא says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

Some of the bravest people I’ve known in my life are gay

Agreed.

For the last week, someone in my office started leaving these massive clumps incredibly long, incredibly disgusting a-hole hairs all over the toilet seat.

It looks like a yak exploded in the stall.

Anyone willing to get within six feet of a bare mangina has more courage than I ever will.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

LOL

להקיא says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

The unprecedented (in historic terms) land ice melt

HeeHeeHeeeeeeeeeHeee!

I only caught bits and piece of Burns’ series last week.

Did he explain how Half-Dome got cut in half?

O.T. says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

להקיא – now that was funny right there.

stopping in while waiting for large slabs of meat to be wrapped.

Deacon, I am not so rich as to be counting my millions but I do take in enough to be worried about Obama’s waffling on what the rich cutoff line is, is it 200 or 250, make up your mind cuz I am just under your top number, dammit.

As far as tvs go, I have a 65 in the game room, a 40 in the living room, but am not using them tonight. i am using a media projector to put the game directly on my house with the party outside and in the pole barn. I don’t want 30+ people tromping through the mansion.

I have possessions, I have saving and investments (whats left of them), and I have a great family and friend system, which is what makes me rich in my mind. Its not bragging if you can do it, or if you have it.

Why, do you want to come over? You can come but debbie-downer sarge cannot.

Meat is done. I am gone. Talk to you tomorrow maybe.

להקיא says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

And if you are truly a LEO, I have the utmost respect for you, as long as you do things by the book

I gotta say, that I have extreme gratitude for all the cops from back in my drug abusing days.

If anyone else was chasing me, I might be in jail today.

להקיא says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

What does manhood mean to you OD?

I lost my manhood a long time ago. The rabbi sliced it off with with a knife.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

OT, you just spend lots of time making sure everyone knows what you have. I find that interesting considering none of us will every meet each other.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

“Its not bragging if you can do it, or if you have it.”

You think so?

monty says:

October 5th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

“As far as tvs go, I have a 65 in the game room, a 40 in the ….”

I’ll bet his service weapon has one of them long barrels too.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Dan, if you’re out there, turn on 91.1

Greg 63 says:

October 5th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

“I’ll bet his service weapon has one of them long barrels too. ”

Sledgehammer?

monty says:

October 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

“Sledgehammer?”

Na, I was thinking of an old Barney Miller episode where Wojo’s girlfriend told him cops carry big guns because of Pen!s envy.

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Dan, if you’re out there, turn on 91.1

Won’t have a radio near me for another half an hour. What’s playing? Isn’t that the jazz station?

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

That’s KNOW.

They were discussing the sorry state of media and bias. Glen Beck and Rachel Maddow yadda yadda yadda…. Lack of accountability etc….

dubble_a_ron says:

October 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

91.1 is MPR.

88.5 is the Jazz & Traffic station.

Not the best jazz station either.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

Not the best jazz station either.

It’s the only jazz station. I’m just glad we have one.

I think they do a pretty good job (they err on the side of safety). Nothin wrong with a little dissonance now and then. But it’s half run by high school kids, so who’s complaining?

At least it’s not that “smooth jazz” crap. Kenny G and Dave Koz make my skin crawl!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

88.5 has Bluegrass on Saturday mornings. It’s great music to work in the garage to.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

I do like the bluegrass show on Saturdays, now that you mention it.

“At least it’s not that “smooth jazz” crap.”

Amen to that. Smooth Jazz seems to have a soothing effect on mainstream folks, like it’s nice neutral-colored sonic wallpaper or something.

Opposite effect for me. Makes me want to smash things, starting with the source of the smooth jazz. Only music that’s harder for me to tolerate is Contemporary Christian Praise music. I’m pretty sure that’s what will be on the speakers 24/7, when I go to Hell.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

“Only music that’s harder for me to tolerate is Contemporary Christian Praise music.”

Put your hands down ya’ damn Jesus freaks.

I also hate that guttural death growl crap in some Heavy Metal.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Yeah the woof woof death metal is not my music of choice either, although some of their double-kick drum technique can be kinda cool.

Lately I’ve been listening to Dead Weather’s debut album in my car. That is some kick@ss rawk music. Jack White can play drums like John Bonham. not bad for a guitarist.
Sorry I missed ‘em when they came thru town a while back.

להקיא says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

Dora says:

October 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 pm

If you took out all the locker room banter there would be very few posts of substance in these topics. And they only post new topics when a MN politician is directly involved as if nothing else is of consequence. They should pull the plug on this blog.

And today,

SARAROGHA, Pakistan – Flanked by heavily armed fighters, the new leader of the Pakistani Taliban sat on a blue blanket, amiable and relaxed as he cracked jokes and mixed in threats of vengeance for deadly U.S. airstrikes.

Have I ever mentioned that some of today’s humorless liberals make the Taliban seem lighthearted and relaxed?

The world has officially entered into a new era of absurdity.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

“Only music that’s harder for me to tolerate is Contemporary Christian Praise music.”

Rap is worse, but technically it’s not music.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

“Sorry I missed ‘em when they came thru town a while back.”

Hank III Sat 11/14 @ 1st Ave

dubble_a_ron says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

I intend to catch the Hank show in Nov. Yep.
I just hope Hank is there for it too.

Judging from the absence of a Big Question link on the Strib blogs page, I think they are in the stage of pretending the BQ doesn’t exist any more. I suspect at some point there will be so many comments on this last post it will no longer load in a browser, and we’ll all wander off.

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

“Have I ever mentioned that some of today’s humorless liberals make the Taliban seem lighthearted and relaxed?”

http://11.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kpzneloqNt1qz9xcro1_400.jpg

Deacon Blues says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

“I suspect at some point there will be so many comments on this last post it will no longer load in a browser, and we’ll all wander off.”

Ill see you at the show.

Greg 63 says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

“Have I ever mentioned that some of today’s humorless liberals make the Taliban seem lighthearted and relaxed?”

It’s the opium.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

“I suspect at some point there will be so many comments on this last post it will no longer load in a browser, and we’ll all wander off.”

There are too many conservatives commenting on this blog for the Strib to advertise it, and I think you’re right that it will soon disappear. In the Strib newspaper blog where people can comment on individual articles, they simply blog kill non-liberal points of view. I’m banned for life for example.

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

Rap is worse, but technically it’s not music.

Rap is music, but technically you’re an idiot.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

“Rap is music”

I’m sure Beethoven would argue with that statement.

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

I’m sure Beethoven would argue with that statement.

And you’re still technically an idiot.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

“And you’re still technically an idiot.”

Hey, hey! Who’s the one who thinks a city next an ocean is more prone to record cold temps the warmer the water gets?

להקיא says:

October 5th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

Rap is music, but technically you’re an idiot.

I’m having a hard time putting together the mental image of Wilford Brimley dressed like Snoop Dogg.

There’s something inherently undignified with the image.

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

Who’s the one who thinks a city next an ocean is more prone to record cold temps the warmer the water gets?

Reading comprehension was never your strong suit.

There’s something inherently undignified with the image.

Ever see the front man for the Pixies? That’s me.

Greg 63 says:

October 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

“There’s something inherently undignified with the image. ”

Almost like a lumberjack in high heels.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

Greg’s fantacizing about men in women’s clothing again. Down boy!

adlib says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

“There are too many conservatives commenting on this blog for the Strib to advertise it, and I think you’re right that it will soon disappear. In the Strib newspaper blog where people can comment on individual articles, they simply blog kill non-liberal points of view. I’m banned for life for example.”

Has KK banned you from the newly re-established TA blog? That would seem unlikely considering the apples you’ve polished for her.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

“Has KK banned you from the newly re-established TA blog?”

No, but she did delete a couple of my comments. I think they were about Gerbils or something.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

Maybe we can all move over to Katherine Kersten’s blog when this one shuts down in a few days, even DFL Dora!.

Deja vu all over again.

h**p://kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/?p=621

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

“That would seem unlikely considering the apples you’ve polished for her.”

Rumor has it he does a better job of polishing “Vikings helmets”

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

I know Greg is fond of the Purple ones anyway.

Greg 63 says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

“Rumor has it he does a better job of polishing “Vikings helmets” ”

In high heels and lumberjack suspenders ..

adlib says:

October 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

“Maybe we can all move over to Katherine Kersten’s blog when this one shuts down in a few days, even DFL Dora!”

But where else but the BQ blog can the guys have conversations like these?

“…and it was very small, very shriveled, about an inch and a half long.”

Didn’t Napolean say something like “I found the crown of Europe lying in the gutter and picked it up with my sword?”

Braggadocio? Would it have been more honest to have said “picked it up with my Swiss Army knife?” But then Napolean says this about honesty: “The surest way to remain poor is to be an honest man.”

dare2sayit.com says:

October 5th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

No wonder the Star Democrat Tribune is having financial problems when they print trash like this in the editorial section-

REALITY OF CLIMATE CHANGE:

This piece discusses how Zimbabwe is suffering from “Global Warming”, the proof being how the farmers there can’t get much to grow.

What a bunch of crap! We know for a fact that soci@list dictator Robert Mugabe wanted to “spread the wealth” in that country by physically removing, even killing white farm owners, so that blacks could take over and run all the farms. The problem was that these new black farmers didn’t have a clue how to run a farm, and the country suffered from starvation because of it.

Global Warming my @ss!

Downtown Dan says:

October 5th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

The problem was that these new black farmers didn’t have a clue how to run a farm,

Rain helps.

Greg 63 says:

October 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

Hypothetically ..

if someone claims that only white farmers can grow things and black farmers can’t ..

would that be racist?

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

88.5 has Bluegrass on Saturday mornings. It’s great music to work in the garage to.

My God…2Dim and I agree on something.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

88.5 has Bluegrass on Saturday mornings. It’s great music to work in the garage to.

My God…2Dim and I agree on something.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Contemporary Christian Praise music. I’m pretty sure that’s what will be on the speakers 24/7, when I go to Hell.

Yes, I don’t know what it is about that stuff. It’s just not that interesting musically you know? It’s like a Mall of America commercial, “There’s a man for faith in your life! The one and only Jesus Christ!”

If it sounded like Beck’s Midnite Vultures or something like that — I could handle it.

adlib says:

October 5th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

The one and only Jesus Christ!”

Jesus saves at TCF.

“If it sounded like Beck’s Midnite Vultures or something like that — I could handle it.”

Or like Black Sabbath. Then D2 could handle it.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Wow. Brett Favre is the greatest quarterback ever.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

Wacky RNC chairman Michael Steele, who is in very deep sh1t right now with the orange boner in charge of House Republicans [John Boehnor], heard about all of those white coats from the American Medical Association — historically Republican allies against health care reform movements, until now, because things are just so terrible — showing up on Obama’s front lawn today, and proceeded to make his devastating move: “The AMA is–does not have the credibility on this health care issue, as they would like to project.” He will now write an op-ed for the Washington Post to introduce his latest alternative, which would order a government bureaucrat get between you and your lying so-called “doctor.” Michael Steele also said “poop” today, which was pretty cool.

-Wonkette

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 5th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

“-Wonkette”

Is it just me, you seem to seek out the homoerotic?

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Unless you’re wife thinks so.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 5th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

The demise of the dollar.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html

Mark, You can explain the implications of this better than I can.

SgtPendleton says:

October 5th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

What’s homoerotic about “Wonkette”?

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 12:00 am

White House spokesman Reid Cherlin described the assembled physicians, from all 50 states, as the best voices for reform because they witness the current health care system on a day-to-day basis.

“These folks know better than anybody about what works and what doesn’t,” Cherlin told FOXNews.com, adding that the physicians come from “a variety of groups that we work with.”

But the doctors in the Rose Garden were all supporters of health care reform — and the invitation-only guest list drew heavily from Doctors for America, a grassroots organization that backs a government-run insurance option.

Roughly 98 percent of the group’s 15,000 members support a public insurance option, Doctors for America spokeswoman Megan Smith told FOXNews.com. She said roughly 40 of the 150 doctors who attended the meeting were from the organization.

what a good game, and a great party. finally got everyone to go home. It must be nice to be like parthian and have no friends. then you don’t have to worry about them breaking your stuff or not leaving quick enough. I have massive amounts of meat left and only two days to eat it.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:50 am

“The demise of the dollar.”

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
– Winston Churchill

That liberal reasoning kinda sounds like Downtown Dem’s “Global Warming” explaination how Daytona Beach had record cold temps because of warm Atlantic waters.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:54 am

“Doctors for America, a grassroots organization that backs a government-run insurance option.”

More deception from the Obama administration. The truth is that 45% of all doctors would consider closing up shop if the government takes over health care.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 7:23 am

More deception from the Obama administration. The truth is that 45% of all doctors would consider closing up shop if the government takes over health care.

More deception from fake Christian D2. The truth is that the debate isn’t over government takeover of health care, but of providing health insurance.

That liberal reasoning kinda sounds like …

Denial is hard work.

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 7:52 am

WASHINGTON POST– President Obama yesterday rolled out the red carpet — and handed out doctors’ white coats as well, just so nobody missed his hard-sell health-care message.

In a heavy-handed attempt at reviving support for health-care reform, the White House orchestrated a massive photo op to buttress its claim that front-line physicians support Obama.

A sea of 150 white-coated doctors, all enthusiastically supportive of the president and representing all 50 states, looked as if they were at a costume party as they posed in the Rose Garden before hearing Obama’s pitch for the Democratic overhaul bills moving through Congress.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:13 am

Just me, but this whole health care gig isn’t a debate.

It’s just one side trying to get kudo’s and the other side trying to stop them.

Why in the world would anyone NOT want all those in the US to have an opportunity for health care?

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:19 am

You forgot to mention that the AMA is behind Obama’s health care reform plan, which sadly has dropped the public option.

And that list you cut-n-pasted a few days ago about medical devices that will be taxed? How much of that tax is going to be paid by the actual patients who receive the device? ZERO. It taxes the providers, not the patients.

This is the same crowd that says Obama is “cutting medicare” because he’s reducing the payments to providers. You know there are actually legitimate arguments against his health care reform, but we don’t hear them from the GOP leadership (Boehner, Steele, Graham, and now Pawlenty) — we get these idiotic scare tactics/b.s., because they think people are dumb (maybe they are).

OD, do you even take 5 minutes to actually read about the issues here, or are you pretty much just committed to just cuttin-n-pastin what other people say?

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:21 am

Why in the world would anyone NOT want all those in the US to have an opportunity for health care?

Or to be the party that was able to provide it.

Oh wait — no, it’s the American Way Greg. Free markets, free choice. Everyone in the country has access to the finest healthcare system in the world. We don’t need to give anyone the opportunity.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:28 am

“Mark, You can explain the implications of this better than I can.”

Well, its not a suprise, at least to me. It’s another sign the world is starting to take steps towards removing the USD$$$ as the reserve currency of choice. If thats the case, it will make it less likely in the future that we will be able to replace maturing treasuries with new issues, effectively making it more expensive to refinance our debt and continue to operate at projected defecit levels.

Some people, Keynesian progressives for example, will tell you the USD will always be the reserve currency of choice and people like China would never risk their reserves by refussing to continue to fund our defecits and refinance our debt. This is just a signal that that particular assumption should be reevaluated.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am

“Some people, Keynesian progressives for example, will tell you the USD will always be the reserve currency of choice and people like China would never risk their reserves by refussing [sic] to continue to fund our defecits and refinance our debt.”

The Chinese have a proverb:

“No tree grows to the sky.”

Tiny bulbs says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:45 am

– President Obama yesterday rolled out the red carpet — and handed out doctors’ white coats as well, just so nobody missed his hard-sell health-care message.

This thing was really really bad. Looked so staged and those Doctors looked really uncomfortable. Terrible idea. Looked desperate.

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am

Tiny- thats what the country has came to- its the American Idol version of politics and goverment. Who has the flashiest message, the cool clothes, the best teleprompter speeches…

Everyone can get health insurance, no one is stopping anyone from geting it. It is just a matter of affordabliity.

Spooge- you really do not understand anything, do you? If medical devices are taxed, do the providers just eat the uptick in costs????? No, dumbas*, they pass that cost on. Much like how if the VAT or Cap and Trade goes through, every cog of the product delivery system is going to take a hit and pass it on and by the time it gets to you, the price will have jumped remarkably.

Lets get to your favorite subject to provide an example. If the dildo manufacturer’s rubber supplier gets taxed more, they pass that on to the manufacturer, who then passes that on to the wholeslaer, who passes it on to the retailer, who does what, spooge? Does he eat the loss, or do you pay more. What a dumfuk.

If you make fishing lures, and they cost you a quarter to make and you sell them for a dollar. The the price of the line, feathers, hooks, etc go up and it cost you 60 cents to make it, do you just say “oh well” and just make 40 cents? or do you raise the price to 1.50 or more.

if this concept is still too difficult for you, I will have my 5th grader explain economics to you.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:22 am

“Well, its not a suprise, at least to me. It’s another sign the world is starting to take steps towards removing the USD$$$ as the reserve currency of choice. If thats the case, it will make it less likely in the future that we will be able to replace maturing treasuries with new issues…”

Now I’m not an economist and I know very little about foreign exchange. But it seems to me if a bunch of oil producers and China are really engaging in a covenant to start making oil markets with something other than dollars, and most of China’s wealth is in dollars, and if there’s a deadline to start buying oil with something else, hmmm. I guess I could see a kinda squeeze where the world currency markets get flooded with rapidly-devaluing dollars as other nations try to convert their reserves to something else, no? But if most of the Arabs’ wealth is in dollars, why would they want to crash it? I’m confused.

That article in the Independent hinted at maybe that’s why the price of gold has been rising…

להקיא says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:26 am

Ever see the front man for the Pixies? That’s me.

That’s what we refer to down here as a Land Manatee.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am

Everyone can get health insurance, no one is stopping anyone from geting it. It is just a matter of affordabliity.

Everyone can get junk health insurance, no one is stopping anyone from getting it. It is just a matter of not being denied when you actually need it. Insurance companies call it rescission. They told congress they have no intention of stopping the practice.

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:29 am

Check this for relevance to this discussion of cost redistribution

We hear plenty about how the White House and Congress have insisted that a health-care overhaul will get paid by either the rich or the insurers and pharmaceutical companies with massive new fees. But will they pay the costs of these fees, or will those fees get spread to consumers? It hardly comes as a shock that an industry with an average 3.3% profit margin won’t be able to sustain an excise fee of 35% without either rapidly downsizing or hiking insurance premiums, or going out of business altogether. A new analysis by the Joint Committee on Taxation and former CBO director Douglas Holtz-Eakin shows that the distribution of the excise tax and other fees on the health insurers will mean higher costs borne primarily by the middle class.
First, let’s look at the distribution of the excise tax impact. Excise taxes get imposed on insurance companies that sell so-called “Cadillac plans” that cost more than $8K per individual or $21K per family on an annual basis. Assuming that insurers don’t simply drop these plans and offer less expensive — and less robust — alternatives, the costs will not get passed along only to the people with the Cadillac plans, as the excise tax applies to their entire income. Holtz-Eakin shows how insurers would have to hike premiums in order to remain profitable, by income levels:

Those making between $40K and $200K would get hit with 72.6% of the costs of the excise tax in higher premiums in the first year of the program, 2013. That number goes up to over 77% in 2019.
The next government bite come from something called the Chairman’s Mark, a $6 billion excise “fee” applied to health insurers, apportioned by market share. As Holtz-Eakin explains, this is another tax; it gets applied by the government, and as an insurance company sells more policies, it rises with their market share. It essentially penalizes success. And again, this “fee” or “mark” would get passed along to the consumer, along with other such “fees”, with the middle class getting the brunt of the premium hikes:

In this case, 65.6% of all 2013 costs get passed to taxpayers in the $40K-$200K band. Because the fees stay relatively stable, that percentage remains the same in 2019.
Combining the two, Holtz-Eakin shows that 76.8% of the costs of these fees and excise taxes get passed to middle-class taxpayers making between $40K-$200K in 2013, and 74.7% of all costs in 2019:

Furthermore, the exchange credits — by which taxpayers get subsidized for purchasing health insurance — become a problem in themselves. As Thomas Barthold explains in a letter on the subject to the committee, 72% of the refundables will exceed the total tax liability of the recipients. That means only $130 billion of the $463 billion lowers taxes — and $330 billion gets spent by Treasury as an outlay.
Who will pay for that outlay? Everyone who doesn’t qualify for the subsidy, which gets scaled up to 400% of the poverty level. That means everyone who makes more than $88,000 will have to pay higher taxes as well as the higher premiums to fund this monstrosity.
Remember when Barack Obama said that taxpayers below $250,000 wouldn’t see one dime of tax increases?

dubble_a_ron says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am

“thats what the country has came to- its the American Idol version of politics and goverment. Who has the flashiest message, the cool clothes, the best teleprompter speeches…”

Like Bush landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier with a sock stuffed in the crotch of his flight suit and the “Mission Accomplished” banner?

monty says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:40 am

“Everyone can get health insurance, no one is stopping anyone from geting it. It is just a matter of affordabliity”

Riiiiight. And everyone can get a Lexus, it’s just a matter of affordability. Same with a Lear Jet.
Except, while your really don’t need a Lexus or a Lear Jet, health insurance is a necessity for everyone. It’s just a matter of affordability, and, for health care, it shouldn’t be.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:44 am

“Everyone can get health insurance, no one is stopping anyone from geting it. It is just a matter of affordabliity.”

Everyone can get it, not everyone can afford it. Okay, OT can you see how stupid that sounds?

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:46 am

“I will have my 5th grader explain economics to you.”

Everyone can get health insurance. Whats stopping them is not having any money.

Sounds like 5th grade econ to me.

monty says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:47 am

“We hear plenty about how the White House and Congress have insisted that a health-care overhaul will get paid by either the rich or the insurers …..”

Quite a load of straw you have there, OT. I’m curious, where did you get it from?

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am

“It hardly comes as a shock that an industry with an average 3.3% profit margin won’t be able to sustain an excise fee of 35% without either rapidly downsizing or hiking insurance premiums, or going out of business altogether.”

Post your link OT so I can see how BS this stat is for myself.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:56 am

“Post your link OT so I can see how BS this stat is for myself. ”

Second that one ..

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am

Tiny- thats what the country has came to- its the American Idol version of politics and goverment. Who has the flashiest message, the cool clothes, the best teleprompter speeches…

He’s right — remember “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”?

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am

really do not understand anything, do you? If medical devices are taxed, do the providers just eat the uptick in costs????? No, dumbas*, they pass that cost on. Much like how if the VAT or Cap and Trade goes through, every cog of the product delivery system is going to take a hit and pass it on and by the time it gets to you, the price will have jumped remarkably.

As usual, thanks for clearly demonstrating that you have no idea how Medicare works.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am

Riiiiight. And everyone can get a Lexus, it’s just a matter of affordability. Same with a Lear Jet.
Except, while your really don’t need a Lexus or a Lear Jet, health insurance is a necessity for everyone. It’s just a matter of affordability, and, for health care, it shouldn’t be.

Left out my irony tags. Sorry about that.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am

“No, dumbas*, they pass that cost on.”

Assuming the customer can absorb the additional cost.

להקיא says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:21 am

He’s right — remember “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”?

How about a candidate in sunglasses, wailing away on the sax, with the media focusing on the all important boxers or briefs issue.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am

“Tiny- thats what the country has came to- its the American Idol version of politics and goverment. Who has the flashiest message, the cool clothes, the best teleprompter speeches…

He’s right — remember “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”? ”

This really is typical of your responses to things. I Wasn’t talking about Bush. Bush has nothing to do with those doctors wearing those white coats. And you wonder why you’re on top of the Moron list. What a stooge. MOVEON Stooge.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:32 am

“How about a candidate in sunglasses, wailing away on the sax, with the media focusing on the all important boxers or briefs issue.”

Did I actually see Obama in a George Lopez “Lopez Tonight” TV Show commerical?

In related news, Obama got a little girl’s cat out of a tree.

I think Obama needs to take a look at how much time he wastes.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:39 am

Post your link OT so I can see how BS this stat is for myself.

Oh I doubt he will. He seems to have plenty of time for long screeds about manliness, but he’ll probably tell you to Google it because he need to go bust some perps.

The example works like all oversimplifcations – they throw out a couple of numbers at the reader, who naturally tries to do the math quick in their head and concludes, “How can you get 35% from only 3.3%?”

As usual, TONS of important considerations and assumptions aren’t mentioned. The industry “only” has a 3.3% profit margin, but how many of those are non profit? Does it consider any of the cost benefit of more people being covered?

It’s deceptive because someone (whoever wrote OD’s “discussion”) is presenting the Joint Committee on Taxation’s data with the author’s own analysis, making it look like the Joint Committee on Taxation is arriving at a conclusion — which they’re not.

This of it this way OD: if a detective spends 6 months getting a warrant for a guy’s arrest, and you pull him over for a broken tail light, then making it look like you did all the investigative work in your report.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am

Maybe it’s better to just ignore posts when you know it’s going to be biased.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am

This really is typical of your responses to things. I Wasn’t talking about Bush. Bush has nothing to do with those doctors wearing those white coats. And you wonder why you’re on top of the Moron list. What a stooge. MOVEON Stooge.

You’re pointing at this saying, “isn’t Obama terrible for doing this photo op” — but EVERYONE does it Tiny. Find something trashy that Obama does that’s unprecedented and dumb (like giving DVD’s to the Prime Minister of Great Britain), and then I’ll agree with you.

Do you want some help? I could argue on your side for a while if you’d like?

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:46 am

Maybe it’s better to just ignore posts when you know it’s going to be biased.

Yeah, good point Greg.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:47 am

“How about a candidate in sunglasses, wailing away on the sax, with the media focusing on the all important boxers or briefs issue.”

Or Carter with his sweater talking about turning the heat down (that one was a flop) or Reagan saying tear down this wall. Or Bush I saying read my lips. Or Kennedy saying, “ask not what…”

Most every President ever has done stuff like that. Especially since TV and radio were invented. But even before that.

Sound bite stuff.

Gimmicky stuff.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am

(like giving DVD’s to the Prime Minister of Great Britain)

How about the Queen giving him a picture of herself?

Is there anything more useless than royalty that doesnt govern?

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am

“Gimmicky stuff. ”

like clap on clap off ..

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am

“Is there anything more useless than royalty that doesnt govern? ”

D2

להקיא says:

October 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Find something trashy that Obama does that’s unprecedented and dumb

Traveling to Copenhagen to give a sales pitch to the IOC. Unprecedented and better handled by an envoy.

There are a thousand more important things to worry about, especially if you sold yourself as a serious and sober leader.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Unprecedented and better handled by an envoy.

Maybe, but I’m sure he knew if he didn’t go and (as expected) the US lost the bid, he would have been blamed for losing it by not going.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

“Maybe, but I’m sure he knew if he didn’t go and (as expected) the US lost the bid, he would have been blamed for losing it by not going.”

Much better to have gone and failed. He figured that putting his face on an expected lose was a good use of his prestige and time.

Dan, Ive got some carpet I need to rip up this weekend. Do you think Obama would come give me a hand? I mean if hes not too busy.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

“he would have been blamed for losing it by not going.”

Thats called being president.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Traveling to Copenhagen to give a sales pitch to the IOC. Unprecedented and better handled by an envoy. There are a thousand more important things to worry about, especially if you sold yourself as a serious and sober leader.

It was risky — if we had gotten the bid, it would have given him a bump. But I had no idea that South America never had the games. Given that little piece of info, it was foolish for him to pitch it. Plus the emotional appeal that he gave – it came off as cocky and presumtuous.

I hope he makes a better decision about Afghanistan.

The guy who does the Redstate blog was admonished for being anti-American after sharing his giddyness that we didn’t get the bid. His response was, “I am pro-America, therefore I am anti-Obama.”

monty says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

“Find something trashy that Obama does that’s unprecedented and dumb

Traveling to Copenhagen to give a sales pitch to the IOC. Unprecedented and better handled by an envoy”

This is true. Not much upside to going himself, unless O just wanted to take a trip. Sending a special envoy would have been a much better plan, if nothing else to insulate yourself against the consequences of failure. Now, O looks kinda ridiculous, and rightly so. Dumb idea.

monty says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

“I am pro-America, therefore I am anti-Obama.”

The rallying cry of the un-patriot.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

“The rallying cry of the un-patriot. ”

No kidding ..

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Hey Dan, remember the time we were all talking about eliminationist rhetoric and you said rap doesn’t influence people towards violence but cable news does? Did you see this story yet?

“Richard Samuel McCroskey III — a 20-year-old rapper in the underground genre of “Horrorcore” who sang of chopping people into pieces — has been arrested in connection with the slayings. The crime scene was so horrifying police would not even describe it, saying only that the victims died of blunt force trauma.

The victims were Mark Niederbrock, 50, the beloved pastor at Walker’s Presbyterian Church; his 16-year-old daughter, Emma Niederbrock; Melanie Wells, Emma’s 18-year-old friend from West Virginia; and Niederbrock’s estranged wife, Debra Kelley, 53, a professor at Longwood University”

-cnn.com

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Sounds like a nutjob who found rap to be his ideal medium — I doubt the “horrorcore” caused it.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Mark ..

you realize that someone is going to have a hey day with that one . .

Thanks alot.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

“I doubt the “horrorcore” caused it.”

Exactly my point. Gleb Beck doesnt make people kill people.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

“Richard Samuel McCroskey III — a 20-year-old rapper in the underground genre of “Horrorcore” who sang of

First, I’m not excusing violent rhetoric from any sourse, but your example would have more relevance if the slayer wasn’t the singer overtly displaying his own violent fantasies but rather someone who was an avid consumer of that kind of violent oriented music.

You’re also failing to distinguish between music as entertainment (like saying violent movies and games will lead people to act out violence – which I don’t believe), and “hard news” which supposedly is played to be taken seriously, and which doesn’t just advocate violence but highlights specific “enemies” and wished for actions against these supposed enemies for the safety and well being of the audience.

Glen Beck (in your words) doesn’t make people kill people, but I’m willing to bet most of his audience doesn’t distinguish between Beck as news commentator and Beck as entertainer. I also recall Beck went so far as to recently exhort his followers to NOT act out violently. Why would he do that if he wasn’t concerned with what he was hearing from his followers taking him more seriously than he was comfortable with (i.e. fear of liability)?

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

“Exactly my point. Gleb Beck doesnt make people kill people. ”

I’d agree, but I do think that some of the political entertainers get people riled up with their misrepresentation enough to be a catalyst for bad behavior.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

“First, I’m not excusing violent rhetoric from any sourse, but your example would have more relevance if the slayer wasn’t the singer overtly displaying his own violent fantasies but rather someone who was an avid consumer of that kind of violent oriented music.”

He’s 20. This genre has been around for a while. You think he invented it or started raping in this style after he heard it and liked it? He most certainly was a consumer first.

Im sure there are a few Glen Beck fans with their own blogs and websites spewing BS that can be compared to a wannabe raper with violent tendencies.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Im sure there are a few Glen Beck fans with their own blogs and websites spewing BS that can be compared to a wannabe raper with violent tendencies.

Yes, but you’re still comparing entertainment to “real” news.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

“You’re also failing to distinguish between music as entertainment (like saying violent movies and games will lead people to act out violence – which I don’t believe), and “hard news” which supposedly is played to be taken seriously, and which doesn’t just advocate violence but highlights specific “enemies” and wished for actions against these supposed enemies for the safety and well being of the audience.”

Dan, you dont think some types of rap, gangsta, horrorcore etc, advocate violence against specific targets? Are you serious? Ice Cube and NWA talking about killin’ cops because of injustice? Do you want me to quote the Lyrics of ‘Fvck the Police’?

If ‘Fvck The Police’ and ‘Cop Killer’ are entertainment, so is Glen Beck.

Im of the opinion neither caused a normal well adjusted person to kill anyone. People’s violent personalities are the real culprit. People were racists before Glen Beck ever came around.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

“Yes, but you’re still comparing entertainment to “real” news.”

Dan what you’re not getting is that to many people, Tupac isnt entertainment either. Keepin’ it real? Ever heard that phrase?

Id agree that the rhetoric is an agrevating factor to violence. But its not the key motivation. Not by a long shot. I think there is more correlation than cause in either case be it art or “real” news.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

I don’t think Glenn Beck or any of those people bear any responsibility for what happened to that census worker. It’s a huge leap to go from saying Obama is a dangerous influence to murdering a harmless census worker.

Im of the opinion neither caused a normal well adjusted person to kill anyone. People’s violent personalities are the real culprit. People were racists before Glen Beck ever came around.

Exactly – this is why I’m a big believer in freedom of speech — most of the “radicals” like Beck and Savage sound like idiots to normal people. If you try to censor them, that attaches a mystique to them.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

“….. neither caused a normal well adjusted person ….”

No, but there’s a whole lotta stressed out folks in the country right now.

Some of them are just looking for an excuse.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

“I don’t think Glenn Beck or any of those people bear any responsibility for what happened to that census worker. It’s a huge leap to go from saying Obama is a dangerous influence to murdering a harmless census worker.”

If he walked onto a Skin Head malitia’s compound or a meth lab, thats not Glen Becks fault.

“Exactly – this is why I’m a big believer in freedom of speech — most of the “radicals” like Beck and Savage sound like idiots to normal people. If you try to censor them, that attaches a mystique to them.”

Let the idiots speak as much as they want. They ended up losing the argument because of it.

Deacon Blues says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

“Some of them are just looking for an excuse.”

Yeah, some are looking to pin this on anyone. 99% is other factors. 1% is Glen Beck types.

Some blame the 1% straw that broke the back, I say what makes up the 99%?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

“The truth is that the debate isn’t over government takeover of health care, but of providing health insurance.”

D.T., the best way to expand health coverage is to allow private sector jobs to be created, and Obama is doing everything possible to prevent this from happening.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

“Some blame the 1% straw that broke the back, I say what makes up the 99%? ”

http://www.dare2sayit.com

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

D.T., the best way to expand health coverage is to allow private sector jobs to be created, and Obama is doing everything possible to prevent this from happening.

As usual, you’re full of it.

We had HUGE amounts of private sector job expansion under Clinton 2Dim – didn’t expand health care coverage at all. In fact, the number of uninsured people ROSE — until they enacted the SCHIP program in 1997 — but it’s been rising steadily since.

Page 22:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-236.pdf

להקיא says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

D.T., the best way to expand health coverage is to allow private sector jobs to be created

Would that make my coverage more affordable?

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

“Would that make my coverage more affordable? ”

Exactly.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

I don’t think Glenn Beck or any of those people bear any responsibility for what happened to that census worker.

But this doesn’t help, from Rep. Michele Bachmann:

“If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the Census Bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps.”

“ACORN will be in charge of going door-to-door and collecting data from the American public…. This is very concerning.”

And then, “The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery. A law enforcement official says the word “fed” was scrawled on his chest.”

Coincidence, no doubt. No whipping up the unstable there.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

Would that make my coverage more affordable?

And would that make rescission less common?

D2, why are taxes on businesses death to our economy but forcing them to carry the burden of health care (when no other businesses in the world are required to do this for their employees) isn’t?

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Dan, Bachmann’s comment was absolutely out of line and wrong. But people in Kentucky (and other parts of Appalachia) have a very long history of distrust of authority, going back before the Civil War.

These guys would probably think Bachmann is just another cog in the giant conspiracy (New World Order, etc…) I really don’t see any correlation there.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

Harry Reid mackin’ on Nancy Pelosi…

FAIL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VE2VdmceZc

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

“Would that make my coverage more affordable?”

That’s not the issue. The issue was getting coverage to more people and the best way to do that is through job growth in the private sector.

But now that you mention it, we could make the cost of health care less expensive by doing such things as getting the trial lawyers under control, also allowing people to opt of of coverage they would never need such as AIDS treatment.

להקיא says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

That’s not the issue. The issue was getting coverage to more people and the best way to do that is through job growth in the private sector.

What happens if you lose your job?

What would your monthly premium be?

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“What happens if you lose your job?

What would your monthly premium be? ”

Please add:

What if your employer doesn’t provide insurance?

What if you can’t afford the premiums even though your employer offers some kind fo insurance?

The real question IS the cost of health insurance and always has been.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

It seems like 90% of the people who oppose any kind of health care cost reform are doing it because it didn’t come from their ‘side’.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

“…also allowing people to opt of of coverage they would never need such as AIDS treatment.”

Heterosexual people can get AIDS also.

להקיא says:

October 6th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

Heterosexual people can get AIDS also.

Yep, and I can picture D2 resorting to I.V. drugs if Obama gets reelected in 2012.

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

That’s not the issue. The issue was getting coverage to more people and the best way to do that is through job growth in the private sector.

It’s clearly NOT the best way. Did ya bother to read my link? It didn’t work in the 90s and it’s not working now.

But I suppose you’d stand outside and say the sky is green.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

“What happens if you lose your job?”

Exactly Vomit! That’s becoming very common with Obama in office, and we need to undo his destructive policies so more people can get back to work and get health insurance as a benefit again.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

“Heterosexual people can get AIDS also.”

A straight person in a committed relationship has a better chance of getting struck by lightning than developing AIDS Greg, so why shouldn’t they have the opportunity to save a lot of money by opting out of AIDS coverage? You can opt out of certain coverage with auto insurance, so why not health insurance?

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

Greg 63 says: The real question IS the cost of health insurance and always has been.
O.T. says: It is just a matter of affordabliity.”

Greg says it and the libs here cumm in their panties. I say it and they sheet themselves. Whatever, it all comes down to messy pants for you.

All I know is my premiums will go up, the service will deteriorate, the nonworking will get free care and I get to pay for it. Go ahead Obama and extend those welfare benefits too, keep buying those votes, empty suited non-leader.

Carter should be feeling pretty good right now because he has been officially displaced as the worst president in history. Anyone want to take any wagers that Obama will be indicted someday for his Chicago tactics and shakedowns?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

“Carter should be feeling pretty good right now because he has been officially displaced as the worst president in history.”

Here’s a picture:

http://www.dare2sayit.com/

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

Exactly Vomit! That’s becoming very common with Obama in office, and

Exactly. I remember when Obama was first elected, and I said to my staff, “That’s it, you’re all fired!” No doubt that’s what all employers are doing.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

NEWSWEEK: “The Cooling World” April 28, 1975

Excerpt: The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. [...] The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. “A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.” [...] Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve.
******************
Does this alarmism from the left sound familiar? Good think we didn’t destroy our economy in the 70′s to fight “Global Cooling”. (Well, Jimmy Carter and his democrat Congress did a lot of economic damage)

dare2sayit.com says:

October 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

“No doubt that’s what all employers are doing.”

There’s no doubt employers aren’t too exited about hiring new people with a radical soci@list occupying the White House. Hiring won’t pick up again until he’s out of office, or at least until the liberal democrat/soci@list majority in Congress in gone.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

Credibility and respect are earned. The minute you start demanding it you’re just another swinging dick that best watch their back.
=Some old Gunny I knew

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

“All I know is my premiums will go up, ”

Proof?

” the service will deteriorate, ”

Proof?

“the nonworking will get free care”

What if you’re the nonworking?

” and I get to pay for it”

Haven’t you claimed you already do?

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Luckily i am not a hennepin resident so I get a break on the hcmc boondoggle.
But yes, taxpayers already do pay for a good portion of the uninsured.

Greg, seriously, you do not think the premiums of those who pay will go up when private insurers have to have all of the govt mandates, and to start covering everyone who applies, and covering all of the subsidized people????

Go to hcmc and see if you want the care they give there. don’t get me wrong, it is a first class trauma center and if I am shot or stabbed, take me there immediately, but day to day care, the last place I would go.

I remember a few years ago the single guys got free insurance and the family guys paid. then they said the singles needed to start paying too, sweet, we thought, if more people paid in, then premiums should go down, right? but that year was the biggest premium jump I had seen in my entire career. so tell me how obamacare would be any different.

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

“Greg, seriously, you do not think the premiums of those who pay will go up when private insurers have to have all of the govt mandates, and to start covering everyone who applies, and covering all of the subsidized people????”

So no proof. Just speculation.
There is NO plan decided yet so how in the heck can anyone speculate on what will happen with any amount of certainty?

This is exactly how the rumor mill starts ..

with fear.

And how does that help the situation for anyone? Do you honestly thing your premiums will stay level if nothing is done?

Even I’m aware that if you have more consumers for a product the price will go down .. if more people are able to acquire health care you could reasonably expect the same.

Your statements give absolutely no merit to your predicted outcome other than you don’t like the group proposing it ..

“I remember a few years ago the single guys got free insurance and the family guys paid. then they said the singles needed to start paying too, sweet, we thought, if more people paid in, then premiums should go down, right? but that year was the biggest premium jump I had seen in my entire career. so tell me how obamacare would be any different. ”

Did it occur to you that the insurance companies were making a larger profit? Remember also a couple years ago when a certain UHC CEO retired? Remember the enormous amount of money? Remember the subsequent findings?

My memory ain’t hot at all so I’m just tossing out the very high level points but you may want to consider that the Insurance companies have ALOT at stake and might even try to sway you … while they pull a few bucks outta your wallet.

See, it wasn’t that more people were in the pool in this instance, it was the provider trying to make more money ..

since they too were losing bucks starting in ’07.

Because you do investigative work, you should know to follow all the causes to find the effect…

andn not to listen to the people with biased motives?

Greg 63 says:

October 6th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

And OT ..

Most of what I wrote are just talking points I get from many places. I’m not real hot at putting stuff together right now.

Also, I’m not sure we’ve seen the best solution yet, but I feel strongly that neither side has it yet.

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

Greg, at least you think that there are groups that are trying to sway this although I am not sure you think the dems have groups that are going to capitalize big if it goes throught oo.

I can only go by the bills they have presented so far, so yes, without a finished plan, it is difficult to make any judgements yet. Also the politicians just voted down an amendment that would legally require the bill to b online for 72 hours before debate begins- why would they do that???????????

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

Interesting development:

More than half of the Democrats in the House have signed on to a letter denouncing a key element of the Senate Finance Committee’s health care legislation as labor unions draw a line in the sand on paying for reform.

The Democrats are attacking a plan to finance expanded health care by taxing expensive health insurance plans. The plan, sometimes cast as a tax on “Cadillac” plans, would in fact include the health care plans of many public employees and union members and has triggered a revolt from Obama’s labor supporters and their many allies on the Hill.

Read more: http://www.politico.com

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

disturbing from the same dude who covered for statutory rape of a male in his school:

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncoverd-audio-obamas-safe-schools-czar-criticizes-schools-for-promoting-heterosexuality/

GO lonoscopy says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

O.T.,
When I read your posts I hear Jon Loviz’s voice.
Yeah, thats it, thats the ticket.

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

Top 11 Reasons The International Olympic Committee Rejected Chicago’s Bid To Host The 2016 Olympics

11. Required that the host nation be financially solvent

10. Still angry over lack of prostitutes at the 2002 Salt Lake City Winter Olympics

9. Refused to accept Obama’s demand that ACORN have exclusive rights to manage prostitution at the 2016 games

8. After listening to Obama’s speeches for the last nine months, IOC decided that America wasn’t really that great a place after all

7. Everyone knows that totalitarian regimes put on the best Olympics, but the committee decided against Chicago anyway

6. Committee didn’t feel that Michelle Obama had sacrificed quite enough

5. IOC members kept confusing it with Cleveland

4. The IOC is far more afraid of the possible repercussions of offending a guy named Lula than the President of the United States

3. Athletes would have to wait until 2020 for treatment of injuries under Obamacare

2. Brazilian women look better in thongs than those sausage-snarfing Chicago chicks

1. Persistent rumors that Chicago’s big shoulders were steroid enhanced

Top 11 David Letterman Excuses for Having Affairs with Underlings

11. He’s gotta plead ignorance because he wasn’t aware that that sort of thing was frowned upon when he started working at CBS.

10. CBS kept cutting his staff’s salary and benefits and he felt he should do something special for them

9. Did it as a tribute to the late Senator Edward Kennedy

8. In the right light, Paul Schaeffer is just irresistible

7. Did it to protest the climate of fear and repression fostered by the Bush Administration

6. Working under theory that having affairs with staffers was the secret to John Edwards’ spectacular hair

5. CBS probably shouldn’t have brought in Whoopi Goldberg to conduct their sexual harassment training

4. Wanted to give Mark Sanford material for his stand up act

3. Women tend to throw themselves at top 10 list writers

2. In a Gilligan’s Island type accident, he hit his head and thought he was Charlie Sheen

1. Was told it was ok if he was sufficiently liberal

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Go, when I read yours, I hear that irritating beeatch from the Nanny, whatshername? Fran?

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

Oh Lord, look out OD is tryin to be funny again. When are you going to learn that “conservative humor” is an oxymoron?

Greg, when I read his post, I hear that guy’s voice from the movie “Deliverance” — you know, the one who says, “Squeal like a pig!”

SgtPendleton says:

October 6th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

I like how 2Dim conveniently IGNORED my proof that job creation is not the best way to get more people covered.

Sucks to be you 2Dim.

O.T. says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

sarge – whats with the gay bashing again? awfully disappointing to hear from a self described friend of the gay community such as yourself

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be

The central fact is… seems to be…

Not exactly a “fact,” and Newsweek isn’t exactly a scientific journal.

However, it is a fact that very few professionals actually studying the issue in the 70′s believed we were cooling (this view was based largely on studies of solar output and the early recognition that we were heading into a solar minimum) and the vast majority of scholarly papers written on the subject at the time warned of continued warming in spite of the Earth entering a solar minimum.

They were correct.

Downtown Dan says:

October 6th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

I like how 2Dim conveniently IGNORED my proof…

The only proof D2 recognizes comes in a bottle.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 7th, 2009 at 12:39 am

“I like how 2Dim conveniently IGNORED my proof…”

Sarge, jobs created for students, etc. at McDonalds and K-Mart aren’t what I meant, I ‘m talking real jobs with benefits. Allow real jobs to be created in the private sector is the best way to expand health coverage, and NOT B.S. government union jobs created by Obama which don’t create wealth for the country.

We also need to lower the cost of healthcare by doing such things as enacting tort reform, enforcing corrent immigration laws, controlling our borders better, and voting Obama and other members of the democrat soci@list party out of office.

SgtPendleton says:

October 7th, 2009 at 6:33 am

Yeah, nice try 2Dim.

Most of the job growth in the 1990s came in the technology sector 2Dim – real jobs, with benefits.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 7:15 am

Allow real jobs to be created in the private sector is the best way to expand health coverage,

So let’s start investing in green technology then, because nobody ever hired anyone without customers and a growing marketplace first.

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 7:56 am

Go Twins!

Glad to see them win in such a dramatic fashion. It almost makes me feel sad to know you’re going to have to watch them get their asses handed to them by the Yanks.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:02 am

Instead of this, maybe we should have just handed every unemployed person a check for 300k since that is what they spent anyways per person and there are more unemployed now than then. I thought Obama said that unemployment wouldn’t go any higher than 8% if we passed his plan????

Also, he the One is now pushing to get another a stimulus going. I thought he and Biden and the dems just stated a montho or so ago that it wasn’t a stimulus act before but a stabilization act. so how can you have another stimulus when they said they didn’t do a stimulus the first time????

Are there any media still aroundt to call them on their bullsheet? How can we see the hypocrisy and corruption, and the media who is paid to expose it be blind?

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:17 am

I thought Obama said that unemployment wouldn’t go any higher than 8% if we passed his plan????

We didn’t pass “his” plan. It was watered way down and loaded with tax cuts so as to be acceptable to Republicans, who really aren’t concerned with any future effects of their obstruction. Though I agree with you that it’s a shame there’s no media around to call them out on this bullsheet.

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:23 am

“Glad to see them win in such a dramatic fashion. It almost makes me feel sad to know you’re going to have to watch them get their asses handed to them by the Yanks.”

Yup, it was quite a game. But don’t write them off yet, vomit. While they were 0-7 against the Yankees this year, the Twinkies are the hottest team in baseball right now. As last night proved, anything can happen.

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:25 am

“Are there any media still aroundt to call them on their bullsheet? How can we see the hypocrisy and corruption, and the media who is paid to expose it be blind? ”

Welcome to the liberal perspective, circa 2000-03, OT. What comes around goes around.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:29 am

Dan, every bill is like that always. By the time it gets through both houses, it is so loaded with pork and addendums that have nothing to do with it, it is unrecognizable. The difference now being that the Savior said he would personally go through every bill line by line (quote) and get rid of it and then have EVERY bill online for 72 hours before even being discussed for total transparency. Now, that is what I think a true and impartial media watchdog group should be most upset about but they are still idolizing the emptry suit they put into office.

So, to say it wasn’t his plan is disingenuous. He is the same as every other guy thats been there before but his ideas/plans are much more dangerous to the future of the country.

Now, tax cheat Geithner is telling us we need to spend less and save more???
After what they have done.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:32 am

greg- here is an AP story on how your insurance is likely to rise under the current health plans being debated. I knew I saw this story somewhere; http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091004/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_affordability

Monty- you are right, they should have been calling out Clinton, Gore, ALbright and company for passing on those WMD in Iraq memos the Bushies used. Want to see the video of al of them saying it in person again?

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:37 am

“We didn’t pass “his” plan. It was watered way down and loaded with tax cuts so as to be acceptable to Republicans, who really aren’t concerned with any future effects of their obstruction.”

Oh what a bunch of crap. Half the sh:t in the stimulus plan (designed to create jobs remember) was fluff for Dems to vote for it too and most of that not desgined to take effect for another year so save the crap Dan. AS if Obama had gotten everything he’d wanted the plan would ahve worked perfectly and we’d be out of this mess. YEAH RIGHT. Lets just blame this all on the GOP again, and ignore the problems.

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:46 am

“they should have been calling out Clinton, Gore, ALbright and company for passing on those WMD in Iraq memos the Bushies used”

Oh right, OT. It was all Clinton’s fault. Poor W got duped by those darn dems. Nice try.

“Want to see the video of al of them saying it in person again?”

Sure, OT. Just include some of W too, and we’ll get the whole picture. We wouldn’t want to be perceived as partisan, would we?

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:49 am

Also, I’m not sure we’ve seen the best solution yet, but I feel strongly that neither side has it yet.

I’m convinced the best solution, and don’t ask me how to implement it, is some form of limited public option that provides a safety net for those people that have lost their jobs, or whose income prevents them from affording insurance.

Yes, everyone who is working will have to pay for it, the same way we pay for unemployment insurance, but could it save money in the long run, if more people are able to maintain their health instead of waiting for an emergency.

Most of what I hear are either/ors from the left and the right, nothing that attempts to strike a balance.

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:57 am

“I’m convinced the best solution, and don’t ask me how to implement it, is some form of limited public option that provides a safety net for those people that have lost their jobs, or whose income prevents them from affording insurance.”

I’ll second that.

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:59 am

When are you going to learn that “conservative humor” is an oxymoron?

Q: Why can angels only fly in circles?

A: Because in heaven, there’s no left wing.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:01 am

but they are still idolizing the emptry suit they put into office.

Bush set that bar really, really, low.

AS if Obama had gotten everything he’d wanted the plan would ahve worked perfectly and we’d be out of this mess.

A little early for so much straw with your breakfast? Not out of the mess, but in better shape than we are now.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:06 am

yep, I knew someone would throw it back to Bush, I thought it would be sarge or dan though. they probably would have had they seen it first.

the point is they ALL thought they had them, even Hussein’s generals were under the idea they had them for use. yes, Bush did say there wmds but after years of Cllinton & Co. saying it INDISPUTED, I may add, it was considered common knowledge. It was only after the dems and their msm media team saw it as a campaign line of Bush lied, did anyone ever get accused of lying about it.

Can you dispute this? Why is it that Bush lied and Clinton did not? Because of the invasion of Iraq? That is incidental in this discussion. The question is that if two people say the same thing, would they both be lying if it was found to be untrue?

If you buy a house and the previous owner told you that there was a foundation problem. Then you turn around and sell your house 4-8 years later and tell the next owner there was a foundation problem. If it turns out there isn’t a problem, are you lying?

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:10 am

yeah, dan the media put Bush into office. what a doosh.

better shape than we are in now? that doesn’t make sense and is wrong anyway. we are in the same mess and 4 times more in debt- how is that better?

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:13 am

“Not out of the mess, but in better shape than we are now.”

Mmmmm Hmmmm… Yeah sure. Maybe he should stop doing late night commercials and wasting his time with the IOC and get to business.

So far the natural business cycle has done more to slow the recession than anything. To this point I dont see how the stimulus bill has done a whole lot of anything.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:13 am

I love to see the Twins win not only because I’m a baseball fan but hopefully 10,000 little kids will decide to play baseball and not soccer because of it.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:16 am

WASHINGTON — Congressional tax experts say Senate health care legislation would impose $29 billion more in taxes on health care industries than originally thought.

The Joint Committee on Taxation says drug companies, medical device manufacturers and insurers would pay $121 billion over 10 years as a result of taxes in the Senate Finance Committee bill.

That’s compared with $92 billion originally calculated.

The tax experts said the reason for the change is that the companies won’t be able to deduct the fees from their corporate income taxes.

The new numbers come Tuesday as the Finance Committee is preparing to vote on the bill and could bolster GOP arguments that it contains too many new taxes.

YEP SARGE, I am sure those nice companies (or ar they evil as Pelosi tells me) will just eat that 121 billion dollars. No need to raise any prices, they will just start charging workers for their coffeee and printing on both sides of the paper, that should do it, right?

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:21 am

Wow, they better slow down before they burn out. I say vote every single person, dem or repub, out of office in the next two elections. Isn’t there a movement called votethemallout.com? That is my new party.

“But midway through Obama’s first year in office, Hoyer’s House has settled into a more leisurely routine. Members usually arrive for the first vote of the week as the sun sets on Tuesdays, and they’re usually headed back home before it goes down again on Thursdays. ”

Since the House returned for its fall session on Sept. 8, it has stuck around to vote on a Friday just once: to approve a 5.8 percent increase in Congress’s own budget.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28015.html

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:31 am

“we are in the same mess and 4 times more in debt- how is that better?”

OT, stop, just stop. You’re in WAY over your head. Go chase a purse snatcher and let the people who understand economics speak.

“If it turns out there isn’t a problem, are you lying?”

You had four years to figure out there was no problem and you still went in anyway. So either Bush is incompetent or hes a liar, take your pick.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:38 am

“Not out of the mess, but in better shape than we are now.”

Maybe I would have been more clear if I wrote, “Not out of the mess, but in better shape now than we would have been if we didn’t have a stimulus.”

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:43 am

“Not out of the mess, but in better shape now than we would have been if we didn’t have a stimulus.”

Let me know when the stimulus plan starts to work as advertized.

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:58 am

“yep, I knew someone would throw it back to Bush”

Yup, the truth hurts. Bummer, man. Everyone knew Saddam had tactical WMDs, ’cause we sold ‘em to him back in the 80′s. We didn’t know for sure if he had any of those left after the Iranian war and his ongoing repression of the Kurds. The rest of the WMD arguments used as justification for the Iraqi resolution were all Ws, however. As Deacon said, either W lied or he and his administration were grossly incompetent in the handling of the Iraqi occupation. Take your pick.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:26 am

“I love to see the Twins win not only because I’m a baseball fan but hopefully 10,000 little kids will decide to play baseball and not soccer because of it. ”

This is one of my all-time favorite tiny posts.

Of course little kids playing baseball and not soccer might not stem the tide of the childhood obesity problem…
Game just don’t move fast enough.

Hey, look everybody, new BQ main topic.

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:34 am

“little kids will decide to play baseball and not soccer because of it”

I see this anti soccer attitude from the football crowd much more than from the baseball folks. I don’t get it from either camp-soccer, baseball, football, whatever gets kids out running around and learning the benefits of teamwork is a good thing. But then, for some it’s always us vs them.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am

Obama and Joey also “saved or created” (wtf) over fifty trillion jobs. Yeah, i know they didn’t say that number but why not since no one can prove it either way anyways?

Sorry, Deacon, you better get back to your job at the World Economic Summit since you are so much brainier than everyone else.

It really is a simple fact. If I owed 10k on an item, and then spend 40k to keep it in the same or slightly worse/better condition, is this item now worth 10k or 50k?

So, if you are wrong about something that nearly everyone thinks the same as you, then you are incompetent? Well, i will believe you seeing as that is how the dems and this health care bill is playing out.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:41 am

Interesting

You have 2 families… “Joe Legal” and
“Jose Illegal”.
Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in
California .
“Joe Legal” works in construction, has a
Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with
payroll taxes deducted.
“Jose Illegal” also works in construction,
has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash
“under the table”.
Joe Legal.. $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per
week = $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state
and federal tax. Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal… $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00
per week = $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no
taxes.
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays for Medical and Dental Insurance with
limited coverage .. $1000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per
year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00.
Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental
coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of
$0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food
Stamps or Welfare so Joe Legal pays for food… $1,000.00
per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has
$7,231.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible
for Food Stamps and Welfare. Jose Illegal still
has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month =
$12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole
.
Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent
subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month =
$6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays and gets a
part time job after work to make ends meet.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy
with his family..
Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both
attend the same school.
Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while
Jose Illegal’s children get free government-sponsored
lunches.
Joe Legal’s children go home after school.
Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program
which, again, is provided free of charge.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police
and Fire Services, but Joe Legal paid for them and Jose
Illegal did not pay.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am

“I don’t get it from either camp-soccer, baseball, football, whatever gets kids out running around and learning the benefits of teamwork is a good thing.”

soccer Lets the parents off the hook. Takes hours and hours of catch in the yard, hours and hours to learn how to hit a moving small object.

Soccer frankly is for F***

Tiny bulbs says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:57 am

Running around with your little shorts on ( seen plenty of standing around in Soccer there to Pal )throwin’ your little yellow flags because some guy touches another guy.

Not to mention RUNNING THE CLOCK THE WRONG WAY !!!!!!!!

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am

“Sorry, Deacon, you better get back to your job at the World Economic Summit since you are so much brainier than everyone else.”

I’m guessing I know as much about police work because I listen to a scanner at home as you do about finance and economics because you listen to conservatalk radio.

To someone working in the industry, its obvious you dont know what your talking about.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am

“So, if you are wrong about something that nearly everyone thinks the same as you, then you are incompetent?”

Nearly everyone? Run down that coalition for me.

Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Poland, Romania, South Korea, and the United Kingdom.

NEARLY EVERYONE?????

I dont think so. If France can figure it out, whats Bush’s excuse???

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:16 am

“Soccer frankly is for F***”

Spoken like a true knothead.

“Running around with your little shorts on ( seen plenty of standing around in Soccer there to Pal )throwin’ your little yellow flags because some guy touches another guy”

1)Little shorts. eh, tiny. You one of those old men in trenchcoats that stand around playgrounds leering at the kids? Scary, mon.
2)I guarantee you see alot more standing around in baseball or football than you do in soccer. By a huge margin.
3)What do the officials throw when a guy makes illegal contact in football, tiny? How about for holding? Pass interference? Oh yeah, a little yellow flag. Wussies.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:24 am

Soccer isnt for wussies, its hard work, but god damnit its boring to watch.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:27 am

If you remember, France and Russia were deep in bed with Iraq in the Food for Oil scandal, but I am sure that didn’t sway their allegiances at all, right?

I don’t listen to radio, exept maybe a little chris baker in the am on the way home. i think he is funny

I do, however read on the net, sites like drudge, ap, politico, the hill, bbc, ny time s and wall st journal. there are few blogs or sites I will look at, since it ends up false usually anyways. I know these sites of mine aren’t as reliable as wonkette, huffpo and the daily kos but they generally tell the straight story.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:29 am

“I know these sites of mine aren’t as reliable as wonkette, huffpo and the daily kos but they generally tell the straight story.”

I dont read blogs or partisan sites. I read trade publications, and work in the industry.

You dont know what you’re talking about.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:31 am

“If you remember, France and Russia were deep in bed with Iraq in the Food for Oil scandal, but I am sure that didn’t sway their allegiances at all, right?”

Take a look at that coalition OT. Does that look like a coalition of the willing or a coalition of the bribed and cajoled?

You backed the wrong horse on Iraq.

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:39 am

But then, for some it’s always us vs them.

There are two types of people in the world, those that play hockey, and pussies.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:43 am

Do I think we were wrong on Iraq? Yes, but the outcome is good becasue Saddaam is gone, so I can live with it.

Bribed and cajoled? Isn’t that how every thing ever done has been accomplished in DC? 99.9% of the countries in the world wouldn’t spit on the ground for us unless we threw them money or aid of some kind. And that goes back longer than 8 years, so spare me the blame W defense. That was good that you spoke against dan on that today- I respect you calling it for what it was.

The partisan site thing was a hit on sarge, not you. He gets on me for posting a bbc or ap link as a reference and then posts a wonkette post as “fact” to dispute it. moron.

Well -its been fun but need to start getting ready to head up to the beautiful city of duluth for the rest of the week. I may take the laptop to keep in touch witht the world.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:49 am

“Isn’t that how every thing ever done has been accomplished in DC? 99.9% of the countries in the world wouldn’t spit on the ground for us unless we threw them money or aid of some kind.”

Yeah, so don’t give me this bull that nearly everyone knew. They didn’t know d:ck. They got bought off and forced into following us into a fools errand.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:51 am

“And that goes back longer than 8 years, so spare me the blame W defense.”

Who would you blame? Clinton had the good sense to stay out of Iraq. Cant blame him for Bush going in.

“That was good that you spoke against dan on that today- I respect you calling it for what it was”

I call ‘em as I see ‘em.

“He gets on me for posting a bbc or ap link as a reference and then posts a wonkette post as “fact” to dispute it.”

You’ve got a bad habit of not positng your link. Post that link.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 11:57 am

oe Legal.. $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per
week = $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state
and federal tax.

Joe legal needs to stop doing his own taxes.

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent
subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month

In California?

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

“That was good that you spoke against dan on that today…

Sure, because normally every day it’s “Oh I totally agree with Dan” and “Yeah, what Dan said” and “Dan’s a F’ing genius.”

I just can’t believe he spoke against me today. How totally uncharacteristic.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

“I just can’t believe he spoke against me today. How totally uncharacteristic.”

When you get it right, Ill agree with you.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

Dan, if I ever have a backyard BQ BBQ, you’re totally getting an invite dude.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

Sweet!

monty says:

October 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

“There are two types of people in the world, those that play hockey, and pussies”

Why do hockey players usually have no neck and flat foreheads?
‘Cause when you ask ‘em a question, they shrug their shoulders and say “I d’know”. Then, when you tell ‘em the answer, they slap their forehead and say “I should’ve known”.

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent
subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month

Pedro lives out of the wilshire hotel
He looks out a window without glass
The walls are made of cardboard, newspapers on his feet
His father beats him cause hes too tired to beg

Hes got 9 brothers and sisters
Theyre brought up on their knees
Its hard to run when a coat hanger beats you on the thighs
Pedro dreams of being older and killing the old man
But thats a slim chance hes going to the boulevard

Hes going to end up, on the dirty boulevard
Hes going out, to the dirty boulevard
Hes going down, to the dirty boulevard

This room cost 2,000 dollars a month
You can believe it man its true
Somewhere a landlord is laughing till he wets his pants
No one here dreams of being a doctor or a lawyer or anything
They dream of dealing on the dirty boulevard

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Sure, because normally every day it’s “Oh I totally agree with Dan” and “Yeah, what Dan said” and “Dan’s a F’ing genius.”

You’ve heard the expression “a broken clock is right twice a day”.

You’re only 30 seconds off per day.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

“Most of the job growth in the 1990s came in the technology sector 2Dim – real jobs, with benefits.”

You mean when the Republicans controlled Congress, and they even got Bill Clinton to reluctantly pass much needed welfare reform?

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

You mean when the Republicans controlled Congress, and they even got Bill Clinton to reluctantly pass much needed welfare reform?

You mean when the Republicans controlled Congress, and they couldn’t stop Bill Clinton from raising taxes?

Fixed.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

D.T.,

You have to admit that the Republicans kept Bill Clinton in line and actually made him look good. He would have been a Jimmy Carter like disaster if his Congress was controlled by the democrat party.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

You have to admit that the Republicans kept Bill Clinton in line and actually made him look good.

By voting in mass against his budget? I recall the economy being pretty good those years.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

According to AMA’s National Health Insurance Report Card, Medicare denies 6.85 percent of its claims, higher than any private insurer (Aetna was second, denying 6.80 percent of its claims), and more than double any private insurer’s average.

What’s fascinating is that The American Medical Association (AMA) has endorsed a public option, despite the fact that “some member physicians at the group’s annual meeting [in June] likened the notion to communism.”

The Obama administration repeats ad nauseum that we need a government option to “keep insurance companies honest” and to make sure they don’t deny anyone coverage. Well what does one say about the fact that Medicare denies more claims than private insurers?

SgtPendleton says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

You mean when the Republicans controlled Congress, and they even got Bill Clinton to reluctantly pass much needed welfare reform?

Oh lord…Yes, 2Dim, that’s right! Welfare reform enabled the great technology boom times of the 90s!

At best, job growth will raise the number of those with insurance, but it won’t decrease the percentage of those without it. Wrap your head around that.

Downtown Dan says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Well what does one say about the fact that Medicare denies more claims than private insurers?

It says you’re cherry picking your numbers, leaving out your link, and not giving the whole story. What a shock.

From what I’m guessing was your source:

…Percentages of claim lines (i.e., records) denied

Description: What percentage of records submitted are denied by the payer for reasons other than a claim edit? A denial is defined as: allowed amount equal to the billed charge and the payment equals $0…

http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/2009/10/07/denied-medical-insurance-claims/

Now, let’s add in those pesky “claim edits” that lead to denial of coverage that your numbers ignore (that would be the “keep insurance companies – and idiot bloggers – honest” part) and what do we find via the California Nurses Association?

Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:

* PacifiCare — 39.6 percent
* Cigna — 32.7 percent
* HealthNet — 30 percent
* Kaiser Permanente — 28.3 percent
* Blue Cross — 27.9 percent
* Aetna — 6.4 percent

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/september/california-s-real-death-panels-insurers-deny-21-of-claims.html

Why would anyone want to compete with that? The Republican plan? Get sick, die quick.

“The Obama administration repeats ad nauseum that we need a government option to ‘keep insurance companies honest’ and to make sure they don’t deny anyone coverage.”

With good reason.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

“At best, job growth will raise the number of those with insurance, but it won’t decrease the percentage of those without it. Wrap your head around that.”

Only if you count illegal immigrants as those without it.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

“The Obama administration repeats ad nauseum that we need a government option to ‘keep insurance companies honest’ and to make sure they don’t deny anyone coverage.”

So Dan. What’s the number one reason for an insurance claim being denied?

TB made you a lot on your straw futures on the new thread today. So just the number one reason.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

“So just the number one reason.”

Why is it when you ask for specifics the “team players” go dark?

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am

Same speech Tiny gave after he was surprised in winning the Employee of the Month award.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am

Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:

* PacifiCare — 39.6 percent
* Cigna — 32.7 percent
* HealthNet — 30 percent
* Kaiser Permanente — 28.3 percent
* Blue Cross — 27.9 percent
* Aetna — 6.4 percent

Okay so I’m going to use my common sense. I’m not believing these numbers.

By the way I think medicare is around 6%.

PacifiCare — 39.6 percent I just can’t believe almost 4 in 10 are rejected. Even if true then maybe people should buy that insurance there. YOU THINK ?

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