Would-be governor (maybe) rips governor

October 7th, 2009 – 9:16 AM by Bob von Sternberg

In addition to thoroughly ripping former Viking Randy Moss during an MSNBC interview this week, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak took some well-aimed shots at Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s presumed presidential ambitions.

Rybak, widely considered a candidate for governor next year, ridiculed Pawlenty on the Ed Schultz talk show Monday, saying, among other things, that Pawlenty is “all yak and no act” and called him “a deer in the headlights. “I can guarantee you Tim Pawlenty will be in the private sector at the end of 2012 because he’s not going to beat Barack Obama,” he said.

You can watch it here:

559 Responses to "Would-be governor (maybe) rips governor"

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:48 am

I am not sure which is creepier or grosser, touching Pelosi or being touched by Harry reid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VE2VdmceZc&feature=player_embedded

Tiny bulbs says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:50 am

Ed Schultz at Fat Rush on the left. You want to talk about your Nutcases.

parthian says:

October 7th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Well, the first question is whether Guv Tim can even beat Birdbrain Palin or bible thumpin’ Rev. Mike Huckleberry in a single state primary.

Given the self inflicted cretinism of the drooling GOoPer base, I doubt it.

parthian says:

October 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

I see OT’s still engrossed in his Pelosi-hatred, like most male wingnuts. Party on!

As a “conservative” Repub spokesman bleated after Pelosi criticized Generalissimo Stan McCrystal for trying to publicly pressure Obama on the Afghan troop escalation, the macho General should “put Pelosi in her place”.

Yep, put that darn lady Speaker of the House “in her place”. What place would that be, considering that Pelosi is second in the line of succession to the presidency after the VP?

Conservative Repubs: clueless, brain-dead and stupid as ever, and why they richly deserve to go the way of the Whigs…

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

“After being burned, we humans tend to avoid what singed us and seek something soothing. High-quality bonds — in particular, the “risk free” ones issued by the U.S. government — were the most soothing investments of all during the financial crisis. While stocks were losing more than half their value, 10-year Treasuries returned more than 10% during that May-to-March period. And so — big surprise — investors have poured $240 billion into bond mutual funds so far this year, according to the Investment Company Institute. Stock funds — despite a big rebound in stock prices since March — have taken in less than $15 billion.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1925989,00.html

Parthian, remember that conversation we had about a treasury bubble? I found this article interesting.

John E Iacono says:

October 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

Parthian:
“…considering that Pelosi is second in the line of succession…”

Best protection I can think of for the pres and the vp.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 7th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

I think the bubble we’re currently in is the Gold bubble.

And it’s because all the rich foreigners who stockpiled dollars are spending those dollars on something that seems more stable that they can readily trade when the time comes for whatever replaces the dollar as the next currency of reserve.

But 2.5 times the price of hydro Northern Lights for gold bullion is outrageous.

parthian says:

October 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

“best protection”

John–sorta like how Cheney protected Bush jr from (richly deserved) impeachment?

Doesn’t it seem like there’s a huge gold bubble about every 2 years or so? Who ends up holding the gold bag when it implodes?

parthian says:

October 7th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

And did you ever accept my apology about your FDR support, john? Never saw any response.

להקיא says:

October 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

I don’t care what your political persuasion is, this is pretty funny.

http://www.halloweenexpress.com/barakula-full-latex-mask-p-19597.html?osCsid=d5e7jlrhh8gl9s6c9gf0p8fi41#

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

“I think the bubble we’re currently in is the Gold bubble.”

Probably another bubble worth avoiding.

Deacon Blues says:

October 7th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

“Who ends up holding the gold bag when it implodes?”

The last one out the door.

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 7th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

“Who ends up holding the gold bag when it implodes?”

The person nearest the stoma.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

Vomit, I see the “barackula” mask is out of stock on that costume site.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional analysts say the federal budget deficit tripled to a record $1.4 trillion for the 2009 fiscal year that ended last week.

The unprecedented flood of red ink flows from several factors, including a big drop in tax revenues due to the recession, $245 billion in emergency spending on the Wall Street bailout and the takeover of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Then there was almost $200 billion in costs from President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus bill.

The previous record deficit was $459 billion and was set just last year.

I am sorry Deacon, it was three times, not four. So sorry. Of course, that was just this year- who knows by the time he is done with his presidency in 2012 what it will be?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

“by the time he is done with his presidency in 2012″

When Obama first took over the White House, he was pretty cocky and kept talking about his “second term”. That will never happen, and he’ll be lucky if he doesn’t get impeached for his extremely poor handling of the economy.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

“I don’t care what your political persuasion is, this is pretty funny.”

I bet Sarge finds it racist.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 7th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

O.T., the reason the federal budget deficit has increased is because we were trying to avoid another Great Depression. I take it that you would have preferred the economy to collapse?

The actions that former President Bush took in his last months of his Presidency, the actions of the FED and the actions taken by this President and this Congress saved the country from a worse economic collapse than the one we experienced.

This is just such basic macroeconomics 101 that I would describe O.T. as brain dead.

It also appears that, as I was afraid of earlier this year, the stimulus package Congress passed is too small to be able to drag us out of the current recession.

But, cheer up, it appears more and more likely that there will be a health care bill passed, financial reforms are being considererd; and there is always a shot at increasing the stimulus to fit the size of the collapse in demand we have experienced.

Heresy to the brain dead; but, something every American should appreciate when it is done.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

“It also appears that, as I was afraid of earlier this year, the stimulus package Congress passed is too small to be able to drag us out of the current recession.”

And what percentage of the stimulus has been spent again?

TrueBlue011 says:

October 7th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

And, this is relevant how?

First, the CS types complain about ANY stimulus package. Then they work to minmize the size of the stimulus package. They work to structure it so that it takes as long as possilbe to kick in. They insure that actions like direct aid to the states is as minimal as possible to slow any effects they can.

And then, the CS types have the audacity to complain about how the package is working.

Reminds me of SNL sketch about the brain dead zombies of the right.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

And, this is relevant how?

Reminds me of SNL sketch about the brain dead zombies of the left.

“They work to structure it so that it takes as long as possilbe to kick in.”

Spin to win TB. Anyone with brain knows it was designed that way so any improvement would come right before the mid-term elections.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 7th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

Wow CS, I had assumed that you had been following the great stimulus debate; but, if you think that there is some Democratic cabal which has some secret master plan which will effect the economy two days before the midterm congressional elections, then you are drinking some funny koolaid.

The stimulus package, like what is happening with health care and financial reform, is coming out of an ugly legislative process where the Republican response is to obstruct, delay and make ineffective. The Democratic members of Congress represent a wide range of views which are very difficult to herd in the right direction.

So, your theory of some big conspiracy with regard to the size and the shape of the stimulus package simply does not pass the laugh test — unless you drink the koolaid.

You are better off sticking to the notion of “death panels” and that President Obama is really not an American citizen.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

“Wow CS, I had assumed that you had been following the great stimulus debate; but, if you think that there is some Democratic cabal which has some secret master plan which will effect the economy two days before the midterm congressional elections, then you are drinking some funny koolaid.”

Dan’s getting rich on Straw futures tonight. Been nice if you could have pulled a quote that said anything like that.

So again, if the 780 something Billion stimulus package “was too small to be able to drag us out of the current recession.”

How is the percentage of stimulus spent not relevant?

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

dudeblew- are you talking about the tarp package W had? the one that almost every dem voted for including the ONE? soooo, the dems didn’t want the tarp?

ugly legislative process where the Republican response is to obstruct, delay and make ineffective. The Democratic members of Congress represent a wide range of views which are very difficult to herd in the right direction.

hahahahaha, change the titles and you would have the same descriptor of the dems under Bush. So, the dems have a wide range of views? why do they all vote for the same bs then?

you are right, dudeblow, spend spend spend is the answer.

This is just such simplicity 101 that I would describe trueblue as a effing moron, but that would be an insult to all the other effing morons out there.

adlib says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

“I can guarantee you Tim Pawlenty will be in the private sector at the end of 2012 because he’s not going to beat Barack Obama,” he said.

Well said R.T.

Mpls is indeed a sanctuary city.
For Republicans who don’t completely go round the bend and follow TP’s courtship of the radical right.

They can call themselves Rybaklicans,(to differ from Bachmanistanni.)

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

to refresh your memory, the vote was 74-25 and 263-171 for Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.

dems number 256 and 57, repubs 178 and 40.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

anyone see the bs “Homeland Security” is pulling on national hero Joe Arpaio?

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

Democrats voted today to allow the crook Rangel to retain his leadership position as chief of the Ways and Means Committee: 243-156.

More of your heroes.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

“Mpls is indeed a sanctuary city.

For Republicans who don’t completely go round the bend and follow TP’s courtship of the radical right.”

There’s a Republican in Mpls.?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

“Democrats voted today to allow the crook Rangel to retain his leadership position as chief of the Ways and Means Committee: 243-156.”

Change you can believe in.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

The numbers why the percentage of stimulus spent is not really relevant to the big economic picture is because we need more job creation effots now!

It’s OK if we don’t call it a stimulus, and it’s OK if we don’t put it all in one bill, but at this point we’re looking at an output gap – the difference between what the economy should be producing and what it will actually produce – of between $2 trillion and $3 trillion over the next year and a half, while the remaining stimulus in the pipeline is probably less than $400 billion. We have to do much more.

The above analysis is not my own; but, what Galbraith, Krugman and Stieglitz have been arguing for at least a year.

Interesting enough, when the stimulus was being formulated a year ago:

“The most important question facing Obama that day was how large the stimulus should be. Since the election, as the economy continued to worsen, the consensus among economists kept rising. A hundred-billion-dollar stimulus had seemed prudent earlier in the year. Congress now appeared receptive to something on the order of five hundred billion. Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel laureate, was calling for a trillion. Romer had run simulations of the effects of stimulus packages of varying sizes: six hundred billion dollars, eight hundred billion dollars, and $1.2 trillion. The best estimate for the output gap was some two trillion dollars over 2009 and 2010. Because of the multiplier effect, filling that gap didn’t require two trillion dollars of government spending, but Romer’s analysis, deeply informed by her work on the Depression, suggested that the package should probably be more than $1.2 trillion. The memo to Obama, however, detailed only two packages: a five-hundred-and-fifty-billion-dollar stimulus and an eight-hundred-and-ninety-billion-dollar stimulus. Summers did not include Romer’s $1.2-trillion projection. The memo argued that the stimulus should not be used to fill the entire output gap; rather, it was “an insurance package against catastrophic failure.” At the meeting, according to one participant, “there was no serious discussion to going above a trillion dollars.”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/10/12/091012fa_fact_lizza?printable=true

The stimulus was not big enough then and it is even less so now.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

The reason why you are a brain dead zombie O.T. is that you simply do not understand what we faced a year ago and what we still face today. You seem to think that it is just fine to let the economy collapse. You seem to think that we are in just some more normal economic times.

Because of this, your complacency in the face of the worst economic environment in our lives is simply dangerous.

You want to play partisan games while America’s future is in peril.

Greg 63 says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

“anyone see the bs “Homeland Security” is pulling on national hero Joe Arpaio? ”

Ya know … that’s pretty much the same language d2 uses.

Ponder, ponder, ponder ….

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

“while the remaining stimulus in the pipeline is probably less than $400 billion. We have to do much more.”

Give me one link. Just one, that claims that more than 50% of the stimulus has been spent?

That whole post shows what a empty partisan suit you wear.

And what a surprise that you referenced former Enron adviser Krugman.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvANJbu96aw&feature=player_embedded#

The kid :20 seconds in is smarter than all of the politicians in congress and the senate right now.

You want to play partisan games while America’s future is in peril. For a second there, I thought you were talking about the dems and Afghanistan, and even Iraq for that matter.

CS- is trueblue a paid blog participant for the White House or Moveon????? Same thing really.

Blue- do you remember the CBO saying that if we had done absolutely nothing that the economy would have righted itself in about 8-10 months? Well, here we are and it has started to level but we are effed because of the debt that was not neccessary or at least used properly.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

This is BS!
“But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one…”

They know that all local or state politicians will have to keep it because the people will still be taxed by feds and will not get anything for it if they opt out. They also know they will not have any opt out provision for the finance part of it.

Criminals and thugs, all of them, both sides.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

“CS- is trueblue a paid blog participant for the White House or Moveon????? Same thing really.”

He has yet to answer this question.

Are you now, or have you ever been a registered lobbyist?

He used to like to name drop his political buddies. Kent Conrad in particular.

But he quit when it gave away the fact he was a whore.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

“Criminals and thugs, all of them, both sides.”

Amen.

O.T. says:

October 7th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

Almost forgot- anyone living in Mpls- i have heard some scuttle about a scam being run. Apparently they have a small child roaming on its own by the street or in the street. When the concerned citizen stops, they rob them. They have had a couple of cases so far.

Well- I am out- maybe I wil post from Duluth if time allows.

adlib says:

October 7th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

“There’s a Republican in Mpls.?”

Just those who still consider it the financial capitol of MN. Doesn’t mean they necessarily live in Mpls. They just do business here 9 to 5 when not on business trips or out on the links.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 4:53 am

“Mpls is indeed a sanctuary city”

This is why the latino gang problem in Minneapolis is rapidly growing.

People should be outraged!

SgtPendleton says:

October 8th, 2009 at 7:19 am

This is why the latino gang problem in Minneapolis is rapidly growing.

Proof?

parthian says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:04 am

OT’s AP article seems to state that less than $200 billion of the stimulus was spent in FY 2009 which ended Sept 30. But True is quite correct that the progressive Keynesians like Krugman have concluded that the $780 billion package will turn out to be too small for the magnitude of the Great Recession. Obama has already stated he prefers to wait until the package has had more time to work.

When I see the “analysis” displayed by rightists like OT in his 9:01 post, it becomes clear that they only gorge at rightwing garbage troughs and don’t understand even those. The CBO did not declare that that the economy would “right itself” in 8-10 months if nothing was done, that’s preposterous, although I’m sure Fox and the wingnut internet cesspools ran some misinformation along those lines for cretin consumption.

And the only reason that things have “leveled off” where we currently are is because we bailed out our entire financial system to the tune of $1 TRILLION dollars, and passed another $780 in fiscal stimulus. Yup, that’s gonna create a whoppin’ big deficit, duh!

Of course this doesn’t take into account the Fed’s manic activity guaranteeing essentially every crap security on Wall Street’s books and polluting its balance sheet with toxic crap. How the Fed ever “rights itself” will be anyone’s guess.

But these unprecedented actions did indeed stave off (for now) a complete economic and financial meltdown, that’s basically agreed to by all except the brain dead foot soldiers of the right who don’t know anything except what is spoon fed to them by Fox n’ Friends or Boss Rushbo. They should be embarrassed by their massive ignorance, but are (of course) proud of it.

As to who voted for these necessary steps, the Naysaying House Repubs basically all voted against the TARP and against the fiscal stimulus. Most senate Repubs voted for the TARP as I recall, although virtually every nay vote in the senate was also a brain dead conservative Repub.

So the “leveling off” of the Great Recession was certainly not due to anything the clueless conservative Right did, nor would the “leveling” have occurred in the absence of massive intervention, depite the ignorant idiocy of OT. The Repubs’ endless deregulation policies caused the financial crisis, and their ideological hatred of gub’mint intervention would have brought down the world’s economy had their brain-dead juvenile “positions” been implemented.

The most damaging political movement this country has ever been infected with.

parthian says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am

Actually, the secessionist movement of the 1850s culminating in the creation of the Confederacy in 1861 is probably the most damaging political movement this country has had.

Of course that was just another radical right wing “conservative” movement, which most of our current wingnuts would have sympathized with had they been alive at that time. Indeed, some conservative Repubs are yapping about secession right now!

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:20 am

“The numbers why the percentage of stimulus spent is not really relevant to the big economic picture is because we need more job creation effots now!”

Wow. Not relevant? Call me crazy, but the stimulus bill was sold to congress and the public as a job creation effort. TB, you’ve lost your mind.

“the difference between what the economy should be producing and what it will actually produce – of between $2 trillion and $3 trillion over the next year and a half, while the remaining stimulus in the pipeline is probably less than $400 billion. We have to do much more.”

Wrong. We need to resign ourselves to the fact that we are never going back to a consumer borrow and spend culture. We need to fundementally rework our economy into one that produces instead of one that relies on consumption.

” They work to structure it so that it takes as long as possilbe to kick in”

It was the democrat written passed and signed stimulus bill that was so backloaded that the majority of the plan doesnt take effect until 2010 and 11. I think thats what you ment to say.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:25 am

“Of course this doesn’t take into account the Fed’s manic activity guaranteeing essentially every crap security on Wall Street’s books and polluting its balance sheet with toxic crap. How the Fed ever “rights itself” will be anyone’s guess.”

Yep. INFLATION baby!!! YEAH!!!!

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:32 am

“This is why the latino gang problem in Minneapolis is rapidly growing.”

Violent crime and murder is down in Mpls, what, like 40% under Rybak?

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:16 am

“It also appears that, as I was afraid of earlier this year, the stimulus package Congress passed is too small to be able to drag us out of the current recession.”

Actually the recession is over if you measure GDP. Leading indicators are pointing up. Lagging indicators are leveling off. Unemployment on the other hand hasn’t stopped rising. I think you can blame a stimulus bill that was overly backloaded for that.

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:28 am

“We need to resign ourselves to the fact that we are never going back to a consumer borrow and spend culture. We need to fundementally rework our economy into one that produces instead of one that relies on consumption”

Amen. But this transition will not be easy or painless, two things that the American voting populace really do not want to hear about, to say nothing about those financial institutions that have grown fat under the current economic model. Both creditor and creditee have become accustomed to the debt mindset.

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:31 am

“Actually the recession is over if you measure GDP. Leading indicators are pointing up. Lagging indicators are leveling off. Unemployment on the other hand hasn’t stopped rising”

Deacon, the employment index is one of those lagging indicators. Historically, employment trails the market by 6-18 months.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:34 am

“Deacon, the employment index is one of those lagging indicators.”

Thats why I said , ‘on the other hand’.

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am

Seemed to me you were contrasting unemployment rates to lagging indicators. My mistake.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:43 am

“Amen. But this transition will not be easy or painless, two things that the American voting populace really do not want to hear about, to say nothing about those financial institutions that have grown fat under the current economic model.”

No one wants to feel any pain. Thats why this two party system is ruining this country.

We cant spedn our way out of this. We might get back to feeling comfortable again by replacing the aggregate consumption with govt spending. It wont last, and will be even worse in recession redux.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 9:47 am

“Seemed to me you were contrasting unemployment rates to lagging indicators.”

I was trying to say many lagging indicators are leveling off accept for unemployment.

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am

“We might get back to feeling comfortable again by replacing the aggregate consumption with govt spending”

That appears to be where we’re headed right now, although I still think this will be a short term fix applied to a long term malaise. Increrasing deficits cannot go on indefinitely. I think both parties know this, but the right has partaken of the “no new taxes” apple, and now they’re stuck with it, while the left doesn’t want to be known as the party that caused all the economic pain the necessary adjustments to our economy and government will engender. And so we’re stuck, doing nothing to really remedy what ails us as we slowly drift toward the financial icebergs of SS, Medicare and healthcare

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 10:24 am

“And so we’re stuck, doing nothing to really remedy what ails us as we slowly drift toward the financial icebergs of SS, Medicare and healthcare”

This is why I cant stand Dems or GOPers. Anyone in the ‘Know’ knows what you just said is the truth, yet neither party does anything. So while, Parth, TB and others poo poo my ‘a pox on both houses’ attitude, I think it’s partisan attitudes that are the real cancer in this country.

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 10:44 am

“I think it’s partisan attitudes that are the real cancer in this country”

Perhaps you’re right, but I feel the cancer has gone deeper tha this. I think the American people have become to self centered to function collectively. Special interests(read-those with lotsa money) run the joint, and few seem to care, until something impacts them personally. Apathy seems to be the strongest prevailing sentiment in todays political climate. We saw more people get involved in the last election cycle, but then we were in a strong recession at the time. Now, with the market recovering, we,re stuck in the mud again, going nowhere, business as usual in DC.
Parth called me an optimist once. I like to find the bright side in things, I think that a good attitude is very important. But it’s getting harder to find that bright side in Washington these days. As you say Deacon, they have to know what we’re headed for financially. Yet they squabble and little seems to change.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:16 am

“I think the American people have become to self centered to function collectively.”

Perhaps thats more accurate. The partisan attitude is a symptom.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:28 am

Deacon wrote:

“I think it’s partisan attitudes that are the real cancer in this country.”

My question to you is: do you really believe in a democratic system of governance?

You seem to want some knight on a white horse to show up; make him King; and then fix everything the way you think it should be done.

Democracy, as it has evolved in recent history, has always resulted in a party of the government of the day and the party or parties of opposition who are suppose to put the governing party to the test of public debate.

You seem to think that not only is the fundamental problems we face, obvious; but the solutions are also obvious and clear.

Democracy is based upon a failsafe principle that if the current government is a failure at addressing the problems of the day; then there will be elections which permit change to get a government more suited to solving what needs to be done.

I think your constant pining for some guy on a white horse (a la Ross Perot) is a pipedream and actually dangerous. Democracy is messy, partisan, wasteful and yet in the long run — much more stable and effective than any other system yet devised by man.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am

“My question to you is: do you really believe in a democratic system of governance?”

Yes I do. And this isnt it.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am

“I think your constant pining for some guy on a white horse (a la Ross Perot) is a pipedream and actually dangerous.”

Wow, I dont think I ever said that. But thanks for trying.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am

“Democracy is messy, partisan, wasteful and yet in the long run — much more stable and effective than any other system yet devised by man.”

I couldn’t agree more. But you’re problem is you’ve equated ‘Two Party System’ and ‘Democracy’. They aren’t interchangeable.

TB, with all do respect, you buy into it. Fine, most do. I dont. If thats a problem for you deal with it. You dont need my approval.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:36 am

Then, please describe a system of government that can eliminate partisanship and yet still govern. And, since you said that you believe in democracy, how would this system of government be democratic?

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am

“but the solutions are also obvious and clear.”

Again, I agree. And its a two party system bloated with people who only care about themselves and their political futures that is obscurring the issue and keeps the public chasing its tale. This isnt a democracy, its a pupet show.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:45 am

“Then, please describe a system of government that can eliminate partisanship and yet still govern. And, since you said that you believe in democracy, how would this system of government be democratic?”

I think for the next several cycles we need some firm term limits. I think we need massive finance reform. That would be an excellent start.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

“This is why I cant stand Dems or GOPers. Anyone in the ‘Know’ knows what you just said is the truth, yet neither party does anything. So while, Parth, TB and others poo poo my ‘a pox on both houses’ attitude, I think it’s partisan attitudes that are the real cancer in this country.”

Amen.

We seem to have only two options and both those options are concerned with only one thing …

election results.

So they spread misinformation to get their way and the rest of us have to deal with the outcome.

Me thinks it’s time to start writing letters with one message ..

Grow up!

TrueBlue011 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

Deacon wrote:

“I think for the next several cycles we need some firm term limits.”

When I look at California after that state adopted term limits, it seems to me that the state is possibly even more of a basket case. The new politicians in office are even more beholding to entrenched interests than before. How is this suppose to work?

“I think we need massive finance reform.”

Do you mean reform of the financial system in the United States or campaign finance reform? Possibly both?

Greg wrote:

“Me thinks it’s time to start writing letters with one message ..

Grow up!”

I think that is an excellent idea; but, how would that translate into what an individual politician ought to do on health care? The war in Afghanistan? Reform of our banking and financial system? Whether or not we should eliminate Medicare?

John E Iacono says:

October 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Parthian says:
“And did you ever accept my apology about your FDR support, john? Never saw any response.”

Yes, I did. It may have been in one of my extensive posts that disappeared into the blue. I don’t recall.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

“I think that is an excellent idea; but, how would that translate into what an individual politician ought to do on health care? The war in Afghanistan? Reform of our banking and financial system? Whether or not we should eliminate Medicare? ”

If I have to explain yuo’ll never understand?

John E Iacono says:

October 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

On partisan politics and two party systems:

>Parties, and partisan parties had not yet evolved when Washington was elected for his first term, but had already begun to exist (Jefferson fomenting against the Federalists) by the time he was elected for his second term. And we have had them ever since. Wild partisan debates have been the norm since before 1800. We have survived.

>We have had multiple parties ever since that time as well, but they have often resorted to what we have seen in Minnesota: endorsing a major party candidate to increase their impact, or functioning — often deliberately — as spoilers to oppose an otherwise likely winner.

That’s how our system of government works. In my opinion it works pretty well, with most of the people most of the time generally satisfied with the chaos that ensues.

There have been changes over the years in which parties were the two major ones, and it has happened that one major party changed over time to the opposite side of the debate.

In particular, our two current parties would have been identified each with the other party’s name by a citizen living in 1860, when the new Republican party was the party of anti-slavery and union and “The Democracy” — current day democrats — were the copperheads and backers of the South.

Still, we seem to function best with two major parties at loggerheads, and “independent” parties popping up all the time in the face of particular issues.

I’ll stay with the current configuration.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

“If I have to explain yuo’ll never understand?”

No, I just think that you have a view of how difficult decisions are made by groups that does not comport with the real world.

Platitudes are very easy. Actually getting any group, organization, or heaven forfend, a Congress to make tough decisions is very difficult?

Who gets what limited resources? Who has to give now in order to provide for the greater good?

You need a better operating philosophy than something that you would generally find in a chinese fortune cookie.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

“Still, we seem to function best with two major parties at loggerheads….”

I don’t think so. I see two groups of kids fighting in a school yard and no resolve.

We have major issues to contend with and none of them seem to want to sit down and work it out for the country since it might cost an election.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

“No, I just think that you have a view of how difficult decisions are made by groups that does not comport with the real world.”

In the real world people, politicians especially, are bought and sold. Like I said, a puppet show.

You get the Charles Rangels and Tom Delays year after year after year after year……..

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

“You need a better operating philosophy than something that you would generally find in a chinese fortune cookie.”

Yeah Greg. Be like TB and vote for a color.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

“You need a better operating philosophy than something that you would generally find in a chinese fortune cookie.”

Being an individual is so overrated. Stepping and fetching for the man so that tough decisions can be made is a much better way of preserving the status quo.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

“Yeah Greg. Be like TB and vote for a color.”

No, you have to make choices based upon imperfect options.

Neither the Democratic or Republican party represents my perfect solution for America. But, I have to make a choice or let someone else make the choice.

I want health care availalbe as a right to all Americans. I want our market based economy to provide both stability and opportunity for most Americans. Thus, at the moment, I will support Democrats (even when I have to hold my nose when I vote for some) over Republicans in order to accomplish this agenda.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

“I will support Democrats (even when I have to hold my nose when I vote for some) over Republicans in order to accomplish this agenda.”

Its not going to happen.

Until people stop voting by party line and start voting for individuals its never going to happen.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

“Being an individual is so overrated. Stepping and fetching for the man so that tough decisions can be made is a much better way of preserving the status quo. ”

No kidding.

That’s why it’s time to start writing .. and then showing up when eitehr side of the circus comes to town.

Maybe I’m not with it right now completely, but I recognize a cluster fvck when I see it ..

and this whole thing is a cluster fvck.

I’m blaming ALL of them. And I’m blaming the people that are helping spread the lies and misinformation.

I see the mess that health care is first hand and can’t stand watching the immaturity our elected officials display towards this issue.

I see a president who wants to do something (and I give him credit for that) but doesn’t have the balls to to tell people off with honesty and directness to get it done.

Politics as a career is just wrong .. it should be a privileage and one that’s not taken as seriously as it should be and for all the wrong reasons.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

I’m sick and tired of seeing morons with websites full of lies that people might actually believe. Those people need to be made accountable if they’re going to advertise …

tell the whole story. Not just the part that makes your idiocy look justifiable.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

And yes, health care is a good starting point. It needs to be affordable and EVERYONE needs to have a decent health care plan. Even if it means some people don’t pay because they can’t. Alot of folks seem to have no problem tossin’ bucks in a collection plate at a religious institution but big issues if they’re helping out a fellow man or women when it comes to health care.

Fix this problem and watch the boon to both the economy via less pressure on business and on individuals.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

“Until people stop voting by party line and start voting for individuals its never going to happen. ”

How about voting for individuals who are not in it for a career but instead to move the country forward….

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

I mean .. look at Bachmann .. all she’s interested in doing is trying to make the other side look bad.

P!ss on that .. her job is to get legislation done that makes this country better and stronger ..

she needs to do her job and stop worrying about what the other kids were doing a year ago.

And she is NOT alone. There’s as many on the other side doing it.

Again ..

they need to grow up and do their jobs for the benefit of those who elected them .. ALL of them.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

I guess my biggest concern is that too many times individual lawmakers are beholden to their party apparatchniks and not their constituents back home.

That and too many partisans are willing to lie just to win in the moment. And winning at the moment is more important than fixing the country’s problems.

The way politicians are triangulating now in fear of losing their next election reminds me of the way CEO’s pursue short-term profits at the expense of their companies’ long-term viability. Make the stock go up now no matter what. You could fix the CEO’s behavior if you made it so that they couldn’t exercise their options until 10 years from now. I wonder how you could similarly incent lawmakers to be good stewards of their govt?

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

“I’m sick and tired of seeing morons with websites full of lies that people might actually believe”

You mean like dare2sayit.com?

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

“The way politicians are triangulating now in fear of losing their next election reminds me of the way CEO’s pursue short-term profits at the expense of their companies’ long-term viability”

Great analogy, dar.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

“You mean like dare2sayit.com”

That’s just one of many.

I’m sure Hannity, Olberman, O’Reilly, Maddow, Schultz, Beck and the whole slew of idiots have them ..

They all need to be held as accountable as the legislators.

They wannta tell lies and misinform? Let ‘em pay for the outcomes.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

“Great analogy, dar.”

I second that. Nice job Dar.

Reminds me of a lyric from Gordon Lightfoot

‘Sometimes I think its a sin when I feel like Im winnin’ but Im losin’ again.’

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

“Great analogy, dar. ”

Definately.

“Gordon Lightfoot”

When did the Edmund go down?

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

“That’s just one of many”

Agreed. I was just taking a shot at d2.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

“Agreed. I was just taking a shot at d2. ”

Hey .. if he’s stupid enough to put all the lies and crap out there he deserves the shot.

If he can’t handle it, then he should take the crap down or at the very least tell the truth.

Even if one person reads that crap and believes it, that’s one person that goes ot the polls basing a decision on lies ..

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

“When did the Edmund go down?

11/10/75. My favorite line from that song:

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turns the minutes to hours

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

Something about that song that I like ..

SgtPendleton says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

“Her name was Anne, and I’ll be damned if I recall her face…”

להקיא says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

I think your constant pining for some guy on a white horse (a la Ross Perot) is a pipedream and actually dangerous. Democracy is messy, partisan, wasteful and yet in the long run — much more stable and effective than any other system yet devised by man.

The point you’re missing is that with out current dominant parties, government is messier, more partisan, and more wasteful than it needs to be.

With the Dems and the Repubs, it’s either obstruct, or blame the other side.

That’s what most of us who desire a third party want to see fixed.

I’ll settle for improved.

SgtPendleton says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

Haven’t heard from 6DJ in a while. I have a sinking feeling that I actually know who he is, and that he lost a very close family member recently.

Could be totally wrong too.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

“With the Dems and the Repubs, it’s either obstruct, or blame the other side.

That’s what most of us who desire a third party want to see fixed.

I’ll settle for improved. ”

Exactly.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

“Could be totally wrong too. ”

Let’s hope you are.

SgtPendleton says:

October 8th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

I agree with you guys, and I’m totally in favor of 3rd party.

At least on this particular issue ( health care) the Dems are trying to fix something that’s broken.

The GOP is more interested in handing the Dems a failure than getting actual reform.

Depending how the next few weeks go, the Dems could do the same thing to the President and the GOP on Afghanistan. I hope Obama’s strategy incorporates the recommendations of General McChrystal.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 8th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

“Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the waves turns the minutes to hours ”

The searchers all say she’da made Whitefish bay,
If she’d put 15 more miles behind her.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

hey, I’ve got an idea.

how about if you set term limits in Congress, not super truncated… give your lawmakers enough time to make a difference, say 5-6 terms in the House and 2-3 terms in the Senate.

Then… when their terms are up or whenver they are voted out, their constituents get to vote on a ballot issue in the follwing election cycle to determine whether they should get their pension and helath care bennies for life like they do now automatically.

That might just make ‘em remember which side their bread is buttered on…

Downtown Dan says:

October 8th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

That might just make ‘em remember which side their bread is buttered on…

Um, that would be the side the high paying corporate lobbyist firms that eagerly pay them millions once they get out are buttering.

There’s a reason even the ones approaching retirement don’t care what their constituents think.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

TB said:

“You want to play partisan games while America’s future is in peril.”

Im sorry I missed this earlier. I think it deserves a response.

“Oct. 2, 2008 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Senate passed a $700 billion financial-market rescue package loaded with inducements for the House of Representatives to approve the measure following its rejection of an earlier version.”

The first time TARP was voted on, 95 democrats in the House voted against it. It took a second bill loaded up with fluff and the largest one day drop in the DOW’s history to get the bill through the house a second time. Only a guy like True could look back and think the Dems didn’t play politics in the hour of crisis.

On top of that the Dems wrote passed and signed a stimulus bill sold to the public as a job creation bill that was backloaded so as to not take effect until 2010. Who’s playing politics True? Who?

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

In TBland, that’s good govt. Two parties playing chicken with their constituents to get what they need to stay in office.

Deacon Blues says:

October 8th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin’.
Fellas, it’s too rough to feed ya.
At Seven P.M. a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it’s been good t’know ya

monty says:

October 8th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

“The searchers all say she’da made Whitefish bay,
If she’d put 15 more miles behind her.”

They might have split up or they might have capsized;
May have broke deep and took water.
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

“There’s a reason even the ones approaching retirement don’t care what their constituents think. ”

Right, DD. Good point. Except now they get their pensions no matter what, well, maybe they don’t get them if they’re impeached. But the lobbying thing… I know there’s a cooling off period currently where they can’t immediately go work for a lobbyist. Maybe make that a lifetime ban. But lobbying aside there’s a million ways to collect a sinecure as payment for favors done whilst in office. Hard to say how to prevent that from happening ever other than to call it out when ya see it and shame them. Ever wonder how Dick Cheney’s first-ever job in the private sector was to become CEO of Halliburton?

Tiny bulbs says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

Listen Folks I just can’t get past this “Into The Wild” thing that I saw on the #2 on Saturday night. Now you guys have heard Tiny talk about wanting to live in the woods, right? Well Tinys got barely more then a high school education and he knows he’ll die in a week if he journeys out into the Forest.

Now along come this supposed brilliant kid that for a bunch of silliness decides he’s going to go live in the boonies without having even the basic outdoors skills and the predictable happens and he starves to death and here is Sean Penn making a movie about him.

God if anything the movie should have been “There goes a real Dumb@ss Into the Wildness”

See I often think its this hole society that’s getting screwed up then I think it must be me. Then I see something like this then I know for sure its not me.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

“May have broke deep and took water.”

Always a concern if you fall @ss-first whilst water skiing.

Downtown Dan says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

Well Tinys got barely more then a high school education and he knows he’ll die in a week if he journeys out into the Forest.

Or East Lake Street.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

“Now along come this supposed brilliant kid that for a bunch of silliness decides he’s going to go live in the boonies without having even the basic outdoors skills and the predictable happens and he starves to death and here is Sean Penn making a movie about him.”

Well, part of the appeal is the kid kept a journal so his decline into starvation is documented and adaptable to a screenplay. Draws the same type of curious folks who slow down going by car wrecks to see if they can spot victims.

” Then I see something like this then I know for sure its not me. ”

At least it’s not JUST you.

Ever get a working protoype of a Ted Shack together?

Tiny bulbs says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

And then you see it described as the adventures of Christopher McCandless.

Being a Dumb@ss and Starving to death is an adventure?

on Krakauer defends McCandless, claiming that what critics point to as arrogance was merely McCandless’s desire for “being the first to explore a blank spot on the map.”

God! Glad my desire was for tail and Jim Beam.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

“Ever get a working protoype of a Ted Shack together?”

Trying to find me one of those Typewriters. Can’t have the Shack without the Typewriter.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

“Violent crime and murder is down in Mpls, what, like 40% under Rybak?”

Good thing these morons are terrible shots. In any case, the Latino gang problem is rapidly growing under Rybak’s unlawful illegal alien “Santuary City” policy.

להקיא says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

I just can’t get past this “Into The Wild” thing that I saw on the #2 on Saturday night.

I’m not sure what you mean by “the #2″.

Do you have a big screen in the crapper?

להקיא says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

Good thing these morons are terrible shots.

I’m a better shot than you.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

I listened to Michele Bachmann on the Chris Baker show (100.3 FM KTLK) and she told us that the democrat controlled Congress misled us about funding being cut to the corrupt liberal activist group ACORN. The liberal media doesn’t want us to know this, but funding is restored to these idiots at midnight, Oct. 31st. costing taxpayers MILLIONS.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

“I’m a better shot than you. ”

I’d guess we all are.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

“I’m a better shot than you.”

What do you hunt in Florida Vomit, Gators? They don’t move as fast as Pheasants.

להקיא says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

What do you hunt in Florida Vomit, Gators? They don’t move as fast as Pheasants.

They move pretty damn quick. You may have them confused with Geezers, another prevalent species.

I don’t hunt at all.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

“I don’t hunt at all.”

My Jewegian relatives don’t either, and one’s been a vegetarian for decades.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

What Happened to Global Warming?

“Climate researchers are beginning to answer back in their preferred venue, the peer-reviewed literature,” says Kerr. Really? None of these researchers predicted a decade of non-warming, instead they and their computer models predicted more warming, not less. Indeed, it has taken until quite recently for them to concede that the world has actually stopped warming. Now we have non-warming, the ‘feather-light’ researchers are predicting more non-warming, some up to another decade or two, to be followed by yet more warming in order to keep the climate scare alive. And how do you ‘peer review’ an unverifiable prediction?

Read more at:

http://www.climateresearchnews.com/2009/10/what-happened-to-global-warming/

adlib says:

October 8th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

“My question to you is: do you really believe in a democratic system of governance?”

My question is what kind of democratic system of governance do you believe in? Those wishing for a third party in a two party system are looking for a party that will pull constituents from both of the major parties and leave perhaps one of the parties still viable and able to rebuild. Three’s a crowd.
Unless you want a parliamentary democracy. Then the more the merrier.

Another way of looking at a two party system is through the lense of Hegel’s triads, later adapted to Marxist dialectic. You have your thesis. Opposing it is the antithesis. The result of the clash is your synthesis. (Does a bull moose in the woods?)

dare2sayit.com says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

America has invented the vast majority of the world’s technology because of our capitalist system which allows anyone to who pushes themselves hard enough to succeed and be rewarded for their efforts. Too bad Obama’s radical soci@list/Marxist vision for America will stifle our incentives to continue this great tradition. Under the democrat soci@list party we are well on our way to becoming a turd world nation.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

Remember that one kid in kindergarten that always did stupid sh!t cuz he needed attention ..

he ate alot of glue too.

Greg 63 says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

Later on it was discovered that glue caused brain damage.

Downtown Dan says:

October 8th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

Later on it was discovered that glue caused brain damage.

Brain?

adlib says:

October 8th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

“What Happened to Global Warming?”

It’s causing the big petroleum interests to position themselves to dominate algae based fuel production and other renewable energy sources that don’t produce CO2. They won’t do this out of love of the planet but out of the economic profit potential. When that happens in a big way look for the pseudo science they’ve promoted to be turned against the denialists, not against the successor to the Kyoto Treaty. Then this alliance of anti carbon tax motivated denialists will start to unravel.

SgtPendleton says:

October 8th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

“Good thing these morons are terrible shots. In any case, the Latino gang problem is rapidly growing under Rybak’s unlawful illegal alien “Santuary City” policy; so much so that violent crime is down 40%.”

– there, just connecting the rest of your statement so people can see your flawed logic more clearly.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:35 am

Yah Sarge. Minneapolis has become soooo safe over the years. Much of the violent crime is simply going unreported now days because nothing will be done anyway, especially in the immigrant community.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:46 am

And Sarge, Minneapolis has gotten so bad that even violent criminals are fleeing it to the suburbs and smaller towns and “spreading the crime” around. Many of the gang type murders you hear about are now outside the Minneapolis city limits, heading our way.

parthian says:

October 9th, 2009 at 6:31 am

“sooooo safe”

As a “conservative”, 2Dim only accepts the facts that support what he wants to believe.

Thus, if the reports show an increase in Mpls violent crime, he “believes” them, if they show a decrease, then he denies them on “faith”. Same with global warming—-doofuses like 2Dim make sure only to read what denialist cesspool sites sluice into his trough.

He’s an irrational child, like most of these conservative white male numbskulls and their Empress of Idiocy Darlin’ Michele. And the country is filled with ‘em as a result of the brain dead “conservative” movement.

SgtPendleton says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:06 am

So criminals flee from crime?

parthian says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:37 am

“criminals flee from crime”

More crackerjack conservative “logic”.

Cuz if course the fleabrained flotsam and jetsam of 2Dim’s exurban American sh*tholes never commit any violent crimes, none.

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:29 am

Obama, Nobel Peace prize…. Your thoughts?

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:39 am

Probably cant send more troops into Afghanistan now. Im mean now that he has a Nobel Peace Prize, he probably shouldn’t escalate.

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:43 am

I wonder if Lopez Tonight is broadcast in Sweeden?

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:47 am

“Obama, Nobel Peace prize…. Your thoughts?”

Why?

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:51 am

“Much of the violent crime is simply going unreported now days because nothing will be done anyway, especially in the immigrant community.”

If its unreported how do you know?

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am

“Why?”

You tell me.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:06 am

“You tell me.”

Tone?

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:07 am

“President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize”

Wheres that old bus in Alaska now?

Downtown Dan says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:07 am

Obama, Nobel Peace prize…. Your thoughts?

People should be outraged.

(And we know which people)

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:18 am

“President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize”

Wasn’t the kid in the Omen a white kid?

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:32 am

“You tell me.”

That was the first thought that came to mind when I heard O got the Peace Prize: Why?

“Wasn’t the kid in the Omen a white kid?”

Yup. Both times.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:32 am

“President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize”

Well that ends the chances we’ll see the M.O.P.in action.

Iran is going to get the bomb. I think we might live to regret that.

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:34 am

“People should be outraged.”

Not outraged, beacause after Gore won it for making a movie, the prestige of winning thwe award was significantly reduced, but certainly they should question the motives of giving it to him.

Obama has teh opporunity and the potential to be one of the great presidents, but he isnt there yet.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:39 am

“You tell me.”

Upon further reflection, I think, like just about evrything else these days, it all goes back to W. The Norwegians are so giddy that we now have a President willing to ball ball with the rest of the world, they thought some positive reinforcement was in order.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:40 am

Ooooops….make that “play ball”.

להקיא says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:45 am

And how do you ‘peer review’ an unverifiable prediction?

Your peers review your research to determine if those predictions are based on scientifically sound research.

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am

“The Norwegians”

Isnt it the Sweedes?

SgtPendleton says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am

Apparently, they’re overwhelmed with the giddy.

How do you accept that award? “Hi yes, thanks I know you nominated me after only 9 days in office, so I hope to live up to your expectations?” That’s got to be akward.

I’m an Obama supporter and I don’t think it makes any sense to give him the award.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:49 am

“Isnt it the Sweedes?”

Nope. And the people who award the Peace Prize arn’t on the Nobel committee. They’re 5 people voted for by the Norwegian Parliment.

להקיא says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am

And Sarge, Minneapolis has gotten so bad that even violent criminals are fleeing it to the suburbs and smaller towns and “spreading the crime” around

They’re “fleeing” to the suburbs because there is a healthy market for the consumer products they specialize in marketing.

להקיא says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Obama, Nobel Peace prize…. Your thoughts?

It’s George Bush’s fault.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am

““Isnt it the Sweedes?”

Alfred Noble was a Swede, but he had specific instructions for how the Peace Prize was awarded:

“Alfred Nobel’s will stated that the prize should be awarded by a committee of five people elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Norway and Sweden were at that time still in union, and with Sweden responsible for all foreign policy, Nobel felt that the prize might be less subject to political corruption if awarded by Norway”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

SgtPendleton says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am

From the WSJ:

Some have criticized the selection procedure as untransparent.

This is what happens when a tabloid magnate buys the WSJ. Untransparent? Is that even a word???

And “some” have criticized the selection procedure? “Some” also believe in UFOs.

If someone had put that sentence in a newspaper 20 years ago, they’d have been fired (assuming it even got past the copy editor). What a joke.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:10 am

“Some have criticized the selection procedure as untransparent”

They apparently have never watched Olympic diving or gymnastics or skating….

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am

Any sport that requires a judge should be banned from the olympics.

O.T. says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am

This morning I had a bowl of Apple Jacks, and lo and behold out popped a Nobel Prize. Who’da figured?

What has he accomplished that deserves any prize at all? This just goes to the watering down of accomplishments or awards where every kid gets a prize even when he comes in last.

Man- it is cold up here. Nice to visit but would not live here. I am looking forward to brunch at Hells Kitchen tomorrow though.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am

“Any sport that requires a judge should be banned from the olympics”

And some of the “sports” are pretty iffy as well. How about Rhythmic Gymnastics? Next we’ll have Ballroom Dancing…..

dubble_a_ron says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am

“Wheres that old bus in Alaska now? ”

If you go, tiny,
Most important thing to remember is:
map and compass.

And cut your moose meat into thin strips to dry for later. Don’t try to smoke a whole moose carcass. There will be spoilage.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am

“If someone had put that sentence ["Some have criticized the selection procedure as untransparent."] in a newspaper 20 years ago, they’d have been fired (assuming it even got past the copy editor). What a joke. ”

Interesting that the WSJ now has more lax editing standards than wikipedia.

O.T. says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:44 am

I just had a revelation sitting here in this boring conference.

The much vaulted unveiling of the bs health care costs that the pressured cbo office.

I liken this to taking your car in to get repaired. The first place says they can repair it for 860. but they fail to tell you about how they will need to send this out to multiple other shops to get modifications and estimates before a final price is set. even if they know you will need a new transmission and a set of tires, they leave this out of the estimate to get your car up on the lift first pressuring you to follow through once the repairs begin.

Now, if we can pass laws that enforce shops not being able to go over a certain dollar amt or percentage without approval, then why can we not have this bill fail if it goes over their 860billion report?

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am

“And cut your moose meat into thin strips to dry for later.”

Both Tiny and Roosevelt turned their heads to the side after hearing that one.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am

“The much vaulted unveiling of the bs health care costs that the pressured cbo office”

Who needs facts when you have adjectives?

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:03 am

“And cut your moose meat into thin strips to dry for later.”

I saw that movie too, Tiny, and I thought of it as a portrait of a dreamer, a guy that didn’t take reality too seriously. And if he took down a moose with a .22, he was a pretty good shot.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am

“His upper-middle-class background and academic success was the impetus for his contempt for what he saw as the empty materialism of American society.”

Yeah still have to eat don’t Ya Ron.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am

I bet Rush is blowin’ a cork?

Have to get out the old radio

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am

monty this was PBS thing.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am

“Yeah still have to eat don’t Ya Ron. ”

I’ve heard of Buddhist monks deciding that they’ve reached enlightenment and they just stop eating, what’s the point consuming more resources after that? Off to Nirvana on a cloud of starvation delerium.

maybe not such a bad way to go.

But does it belie a misguided contempt for the world?
Is it presumptuous to decide for yourself that you’ve learned all you are here to learn?

I somehow doubt this kid had in fact reached enlightenment before he starved to death. It would be nice for him if he did.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:29 am

“It would be nice for him if he did.”

I don’t get it but then again I stayed glued to the set watchin’ the thing for an hour.

It did give me a chance to say “At least you’re not that frickin’ dumb” to myself a couple hundred times thou.

Downtown Dan says:

October 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am

It did give me a chance to say “At least you’re not that frickin’ dumb” to myself a couple hundred times thou.

Because it didn’t take the first few dozen times?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

“Obama, Nobel Peace prize…. Your thoughts?”

Its BS.
An attempt to influence his afghanistan decision for more troops or less troops.

I wonder if they can rescind the prize the next time a predator drone kills civilians? How in love with Obama will they be when he bombs Irans nuclear facilities?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Putin should have gotten an award for peace for bringing peace to Georgia. Or Yugoslavia should have recieved the award for not taking Kosovo back by force from the UN. The west bank palestinian leadership has done more for peace than Obama.

להקיא says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

I somehow doubt this kid had in fact reached enlightenment before he starved to death. It would be nice for him if he did.

If he did, it may have been like this,

“If I’m the first to explore this region, how the hell did the bus get here”?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

“Obama, Nobel Peace prize…. Your thoughts?”

He was nominated only 10 days into the Presidency, well before he had the opportunity to do much damage to America. Now the two worst Presidents in American history have won the Nobel Prize for Soci@lism.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Germany’s National Soci@list Party leader Adolph Hitler was nominated for the Nobel at one time as well.

Downtown Dan says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Germany’s National Soci@list Party leader Adolph Hitler was nominated for the Nobel at one time as well.

Anyone can forwards a nomination.

Downtown Dan says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

Putin should have gotten an award for peace for bringing peace to Georgia.

I believe Henry Kissinger got one for bringing peace to the far east.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

If he did[achieve enlightenment], it may have been like this,

“If I’m the first to explore this region, how the hell did the bus get here”?

OM.
hee-hee-hee!
OM.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

“Now the two worst Presidents in American history have won the Nobel Prize for Soci@lism”

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again-don’t ever change, d2. The sheer immensity of your devotion to wingnut ideology is, in a perverse way, a joy to behold.

“I believe Henry Kissinger got one for bringing peace to the far east”

Aye. At least Le Duc Tho had the decency to refuse his half. But not Henry, oh no.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Monty,

Which President was worse, Obama or Carter? My guess is that Obama has already passed up Jimmy as the worst President in American history, even if we’re only looking at the damage done to our economy.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

“Which President was worse, Obama or Carter?”

“Was”? O still IS President, d2. Please try to stay in the same space/time continuum as the rest of us.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

D2, you use the term “soci@list” alot to describe the policies and political philosophy of Obama. You also compare Obama to Adolph Hitler, as if there is some kind of connection or similarity between Obama’s political philosophy and Hitler’s Nazi Party(as well, it would appear, to Hitler himself). Here are a couple of definitions for you:

soci@lism-noun. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

The National Soci@list German Workers’ Party-noun. a political party whose ideology stressed the failure of both laissez-faire capitalism and communism, the failure of democracy, and “racial purity of the German people”, as well as Northwestern Europeans and persecuted those it perceived either as race enemies or Lebensunwertes Leben, that is “life unworthy of living”. The Nazi Party is generally described as being at the extreme or far right of the left-right political axis. While the party incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right.

So, d2, is O a liberal soci@list, or is he a right wing fascist? If he’s one, he can’t be the other(except, maybe, in d2 world). Take your pick, but please, stop confusing the two.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

“So, d2, is O a liberal soci@list, or is he a right wing fascist?”

I guess Marxist would be the best description Monty. Obama has far more in common with Karl Marx than our Founding Fathers. Obama’s leftist ilk looks at them as evil white men.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

“I guess Marxist would be the best description Monty”

Ok, good. I’m glad we cleared that up.

“Obama’s leftist ilk looks at them as evil white men.”

Huh? You speakin’ ta me?

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Listen ..

D2 ate too much glue as a kid. You can’t expect him to know the difference.

All he’s got is what he finds written on the bathroom walls at his special ‘meetings’ and the emails he gets.

If you don’t believe that then just look at his website.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

“If you don’t believe that then just look at his website.”

I have never gone there. As soon as I update my anti-virus software, I may have to go take a look.

להקיא says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

“Was”? O still IS President, d2. Please try to stay in the same space/time continuum as the rest of us.

This weekend, my astronomy club is meeting for an observing session.
I’ll let you know if I look into the telescope and see D2 looking back at me.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

“I have never gone there. As soon as I update my anti-virus software, I may have to go take a look. ”

Visualize Alfie (from MAD magazine), the Onion, Joseph Goebels (sp?), and Archie Bunker put together and a 6 year old calling all the shots.

This is what eating too much glue in kindergarten has done ..

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

I have never gone there. As soon as I update my anti-virus software, I may have to go take a look.

Even with the latest and greatest anti-virus software…

You’ll still get a sore on your lip.

monty says:

October 9th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

“I’ll let you know if I look into the telescope and see D2 looking back at me”

If so, that would provide an answer to the corollary proposition that if a tree falls in the woods and d2 isn’t around, is it still a liberal’s fault?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

“I’ll let you know if I look into the telescope and see D2 looking back at me.”

I’m sure D2 will be looking back at you through his rifle scope.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

“I’m sure D2 will be looking back at you through his rifle scope.”

Is liberal in season?

להקיא says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

Is liberal in season?

If I’m a liberal, do remember I’m a liberal who can shoot sub MOA without trying very hard.

O.T. says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

I had the fortune or misfortune to attend the afscme gubernatorial debate hosted in duluth today through some connections. rybak came off pretty polished, gaertner had more testosterone than the 9 males on the panel and they all said the same exact thing over and over.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

“If I’m a liberal”

Vomit, you seem pretty moderate to me. Now Greg, there’s a classic lib for ya!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

O.T.,
Rybak seems a little light in the loafers. He is supposed to be married, but I don’t think anyone has ever seen his wife. I really don’t care what he does in his personal life, but I don’t like phoney’s.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

“You’ll still get a sore on your lip. ”

Body condom

Deacon Blues says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

“Rybak seems a little light in the loafers. He is supposed to be married, but I don’t think anyone has ever seen his wife.”

Ive never seen a picture of your wife.

I have seen Rybaks wife.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

“Is liberal in season?”

“Now Greg, there’s a classic lib for ya!”

Liberals and Gregs are in season, but “liberal gregs” are not. they are a protected species. At one time they were as abundant as the buffalo but were hunted to near extinction for thier Mullet Plume which was used to adorn womens hats during the Victorian age.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

“He is supposed to be married, but I don’t think anyone has ever seen his wife.””

Ever seen Norms wife Vera. Or Niles wife Mariss.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

“Ive never seen a picture of your wife. ”

Here’s a picture of D2′s wife Mark .. in fact, it’s a whole bio.

http://www.rupaul.com/bio/index.shtml

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

” At one time they were as abundant as the buffalo but were hunted to near extinction for thier Mullet Plume which was used to adorn womens hats during the Victorian age”

The truth comes out ..

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

It’s already 35F at my house at 7:10 PM. The average low for today is 43F.

More proof of “Global Warming”!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

“Ever seen Norms wife Vera. Or Niles wife Mariss.”

Exactly! Just like R.T.’s wife.

“I have seen Rybaks wife.”

Sure you have Deac. I’ll bet you $1,000 blog dollars you can’t post a picture of R.T. Rybak and his lovely trophy wife. Ya wanna give it a shot?

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

“Sure you have Deac. I’ll bet you $1,000 blog dollars you can’t post a picture of R.T. Rybak and his lovely trophy wife. Ya wanna give it a shot? ”

This is for Mark ..

http://www.peterspumpkins.com/detail/visit-of-the-mayor-of-minneapolis.htm

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

“in fact, it’s a whole bio”

It’s curiously strange how Liberal Greg just “happened” to have Ru Paul’s website available to share with us.

Greg, does your significant other know what you’re up to?

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

“Greg, does your significant other know what you’re up to? ”

She suggested that was your wife…

I agreed ..

as would many others.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

“This is for Mark ..”

Yep, that’s the lady I saw with R.T. at the State Fair, but I thought it was his aunt or something.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

“Yep, that’s the lady I saw with R.T. at the State Fair, but I thought it was his aunt or something. ”

I suppose you’d say something rude like that since his wife doesn’t have a pen!s like yours D2.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

I’m not interested in the pen!s size of Mrs. Rybak Greg.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Hey D2 ..

why don’t you post some recent pictures of you and your wife ..

we’ve seen pictures of her ..err .. him? alone, but not with you.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

“I’m not interested in the pen!s size of Mrs. Rybak Greg. ”

Yes, we all know your commited to your wife who’s picture is shown here along with a biography:

http://www.peterspumpkins.com/detail/visit-of-the-mayor-of-minneapolis.htm

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

I’m not a public figure like R.T. or the Obama’s Greg.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

Oops .. sorry D2. Here’s your wife and the bio:

http://www.rupaul.com/bio/index.shtml

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

You seem to be a big fan of RuPaul Liberal Greg. What’s up with that?

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

“I’m not a public figure like R.T. or the Obama’s Greg. ”

You have a public website which spreads misinformation which you present as truth ..

you should have NO problem sharing family photo’s along with it.

I mean, if all that you publish is the truth then what do you have to worry about?

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

Not a fan, just figure folks would like to see your wife.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

Greg,

Please list any misinformation you can dig up, and I will fix it like I have for you in the past. I don’t post false information, at least knowingly.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

“I don’t post false information, at least knowingly.”

So you using your ineptitude as an excuse?

Are you freely admitting that you never check things before you post them?

See, that’s the problem. You just believe every darn email of piece of garbage you hear.

Did it ever occur to you to make sure something is true?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

Greg, I try to be as honest as I can in whatever I post, which is more than I can say for the liberal sites.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

“Greg, I try to be as honest as I can in whatever I post, which is more than I can say for the liberal sites. ”

As honest as you can be .. well, that right there pretty much tells the story.

What proof do you have that Obama is a soci@list? Other than opinion?

What proof do you have that Obama is a Muslism? Other than a video where he screws up?

Did you bother to compare soci@lism to the muslim religion?

Why don’t you do that …

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

Oh, give me a home where the liberal greg roam
Where the deer and the antelope are gay
Where mostly is heard a discouraging word
And the guys are pouty all day

Home, homo on the deranged
Where the deer and the antelope are gay
Where often is heard a discouraging word
And the guys are pouty all day

How often at night where the liberals are not bright
With the wipe of the peperation H
Have greg stood there aglazed and asked “whats your name misthter”
his gory rectum that he shares

Home, homo on the derange
Where the deer and the antelope are gay
Where often a disgourging gerbil is heard
And the guys are pouty all day

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

“What proof do you have that Obama is a soci@list?”

Pretty obvious, isn’t it Greg?

“What proof do you have that Obama is a Muslism?”

Hey, it’s his own words Greg. Plus Obama own actions show that he sides with Muslim terrorists over the Jews in Israel, just like anti-Semite Jimmy Carter.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

D2,
I’m impressed. You take so much sh:t from the leftside (Backside) and you never raise your voice or get mad or even care. You’re as cool as a cucumber in the rectum of barney frank. Your as steady as the hand of a reach-a-round during anal sex. you’re as smooth as KY Jell applied to the anus of same sex during foreplay. You’re…..you’re….you’re my hero. HA!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

“A year after Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac teetered, industry executives and Washington policy makers are worrying that another government mortgage giant could be the next housing domino.

Problems at the Federal Housing Administration, which guarantees mortgages with low down payments, are becoming so acute that some experts warn the agency might need a federal bailout.”

No No No. Fvck that. we all know what happens next. Tax payers bail them out and then we get to watch the bonus payout parade.
This time I say we bail out the homeowners. Lets try that. Lets let the bankers get laid off and lose their homes. Bail out the homeowners and watch the economy take off.

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

“Pretty obvious, isn’t it Greg?”

No. Where’s the proof? You said you’re being honest as you can be ..

Is this your idea of honesty?

“Hey, it’s his own words Greg. Plus Obama own actions show that he sides with Muslim terrorists over the Jews in Israel, just like anti-Semite Jimmy Carter. ”

You know that’s crap. Prove that he’s a muslim.

See, again, you can’t prove any of it.

Spreading misinformation in hopes that people will assign themselves to your ideology is pretty unpatriotic D2.

I guess it’s safe to say that you can’t prove anything on your website and most of it is just opinion based on lies.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

“Spreading misinformation”

Better than speading butt cheeks

GO lonoscopy says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

“Spreading misinformation”

Better than spreading butt cheeks

Greg 63 says:

October 9th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

The Poet ..

GOet.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

“Oh, give me a home where the liberal greg roam”

The Budweiser almost came through my nose!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

“You’re as cool as a cucumber in the rectum of barney frank.”

That means a lot to me GO. Thanks!

adlib says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

Twins lost 4-3

And a new phrase enters the language.
“Yankee Stadium foul” = ball hit fairly ruled foul. Could have affected the outcome, unless you believe NY was destined to win.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

“Yankee Stadium foul” = ball hit fairly ruled foul. Could have affected the outcome, unless you believe NY was destined to win.”

We’ll get even at home.

adlib says:

October 9th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

“It’s already 35F at my house at 7:10 PM. The average low for today is 43F.”

That’s the temp at Big Lake. Doesn’t seem so cold here on the heat island.

“We’ll get even at home.”

Only to give it up when we return to Foul stadium. Well if Joe Nathan leaves this playoff series a broken man at least we might do the same to Mariano Rivera. Play the spoiler for some other contender to get past the Yanks like Chicago did for us in regular season.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 9th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

“That’s the temp at Big Lake. Doesn’t seem so cold here on the heat island.”

“Great point Adlib! These “Global Warming” studies have been using the same temperature points for decades, despite the fact that a “Heat Island” has been build around these points making them extremely flawed.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:35 am

“Doesn’t seem so cold here on the heat island.”

Thats why your Minnehaha glaciers are receding like your hairline.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:42 am

But its not Globull because its a local phenomenen. Unless you want to skew the data, then you take all local temps of the planet (skewed, non-skewed, more or less understood aeas, monetary gain areas). Average them out and call it a warming when in real time its only a few areas than are actually warming. if you spread the crap out far enough you can cover alot of field with manure.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:47 am

Hey GO,

When I visit my buddy in Corvallis, I’ll stop by and buy you a Budweiser or two if you lift the restraining order,

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:57 am

What the hell are we all doing here anyway? We came here because Katherine Kersten’s blog was shut down, but now that it’s up again (if only part time), we are too lazy to go back.

http://www.kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/?p=621

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:47 am

I’m impressed. You take so much sh:t from the leftside (Backside) and you never raise your voice or get mad or even care.

Ignorance is bliss.

But its not Globull because its a local phenomenen.

Oh, I’m sure your local phenomenon is more indicative of global mean temps than actually, you know, taking global readings. Ahh, bliss….

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:48 am

Welcome to an early Winter D.T.! Looks like I’ve got at least an inch of snow covering the compound. The average low for this day is in the mid 40′s F.

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am

“Welcome to an early Winter”

Welcome to Minnesota. Love it or leave it.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:46 am

“Welcome to Minnesota. Love it or leave it.”

Even if the last few years have been much colder than normal. This “Global Warming” has been unbelievable!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:04 am

Israel will attack Iran if the UN doesn’t impose sanctions by Christmas:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3787724,00.html

Let’s just see how this useless anti-Semitic debating society handles this!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:15 am

“If the snow sticks, it would be the earliest recorded measurable snowfall in Chicago. The record was set just three years ago when it snowed on Oct. 12.”

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/No-Kidding-Snow-on-Sunday–63751227.html

More proof of “Globull Warming”

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

“Even if the last few years have been much colder than normal. This ‘Global Warming’ has been unbelievable!”

Reminds me of the joke about a newbie getting the guided tour of Hell and given the option of which torment he’d prefer to experience for eternity. He saw none he thought he could endure until his guide showed him a group of men standing knee deep in excrement. He thought that wouldn’t be so bad and he selected that punishment. His guide agreed then blew a whistle and then shouted “Okay guys! Breaks over. Back to standing on your heads!”

If letters to Santa Claus were possible the citizens of Hell would ask for ice cubes.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am

Even if the last few years have been much colder than normal. This “Global Warming” has been unbelievable!

Only unbelievable if you ignore the science and the data.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am

“the science and the data”

That shows that the earth is actually in a cooling cycle?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 11:52 am

Madison, WI- Today hundreds gathered in at the State Capitol in Madison, Wi to oppose Al Gore and his alarmist Climate Change policies. Despite the cold, an enthusiastic crowd gathered to send Al Gore a clear message: “Don’t Fry Our Economy!”

http://www.cfactcampus.org/media/what-we-are-doing/470-dont-fry-our-economy

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Save the planet! Pee before you fly!

Belief in man-made global warming will soon be laughed out of existence.

h**p://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/save_the_planet_pee_before_you_fly/

monty says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

“Today hundreds gathered in at the State Capitol in Madison, Wi…”

I looked at your link, d2. It looked more like “tens” gathered in Madison.
And here’s a little info on cfact:

CFACT is mainly funded by private citizens. A smaller proportion of CFACT’s funding comes from corporations in the energy and automobile industries, as well as foundations. Its financial backers have included The Exxon Mobil Corporation, The Chevron Corporation, The DaimlerChrysler Corporation Fund, The Carthage Foundation, and The Sarah Scaife Foundation. CFACT has also received more than $542,000 from industry foundations for its work on the the global warming issue”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFACT

monty says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

“Even if the last few years have been much colder than normal.”

Depends on what you mean by normal. I can tell you that the winters forty years ago were much colder and had a lot more snow, but what good would it do? You can lead a horse to water….

monty says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

“That shows that the earth is actually in a cooling cycle?”

That shows that the earth is actually in a short term cooling cycle and a overall warming trend?

Fixed it.
But I realize trying to understand these two concepts, present at the same time in our global climate, is too much for some, like walking and chewing gum.

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

“You can lead a horse to water….”

And at least horses can’t be blamed for wearing blinders.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

“I can tell you that the winters forty years ago were much colder and had a lot more snow”

Monty, today’s high temperature isn’t expected to get out of the 30′s. The average high for today in 63F. This trend has been going on for quite a while now.

“That shows that the earth is actually in a short term cooling cycle”

Amazing Monty! I never though a liberal would admit that. It’s a good start anyway, keep up the progress!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

And Monty, the “Global Warming” theory is being proven more wrong every day. Is it worth destroying our economy with soci@list Henry Taxman’s Cap & Tax scheme over a leftist hoax? Cap and Tax will cost the average family about $3,000 in higher energy costs, not to mention put some industries out of business, force businesses to lay people off to pay for higher energy costs, raise prices of products, chase jobs overseas, and give foreign competitors an advantage. It will kill what’s left of our economy Monty!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

“CFACT is mainly funded by private citizens. A smaller proportion of CFACT’s funding comes from corporations in the energy and automobile industries, as well as foundations.”

What’s worse Monty, CFACT getting funded mainly by private citizens, or the corrupt democrat vote fraud group ACORN getting funded mainly by taxpayers? Al Franken could never have stolen the election without the help of Mark Ritchie’s ACORN.

I heard that millions of taxpayer dollars could be restored to these idiots at the end of the month, and the funding cut was “temporary”. Is this true Monty?

John E Iacono says:

October 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

On Global Warming…

As I have grown older, a few degrees increase in our average temperature seems more and more like a good thing.

I can’t get too excited about folks living near the coast, whose flood insurance claims I have been funding for lo these many years.

It’s not unexpected that New Yorkers would want me to live in a cold house to protect their real estate.

I suggest we do what populations in the past have done when it got too hot or too cold or too wet or too dry: MOVE.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

D2 is still unpatriotic and devoted to fascism.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

“MOVE.”

Don’t move to Florida John. Daytona Beach just set a record low temperature the other day due to the rapidly warming Atlantic it sits on. Downtown Dem said so.

monty says:

October 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

“That shows that the earth is actually in a short term cooling cycle”

Well, it’s good to see you got the “short term” part, d2. That’s a start. Now, look at the whole sentence:

“That shows that the earth is actually in a short term cooling cycle and a overall warming trend”

As is usually the case with a wingnut, you missed the important part. Keep working on the reading and comprehension skills, d2. You can do it!

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

“Don’t Fry Our Economy!”

Why do you prefer sending our money to the same people who attacked us on 9/11 (the Saudis) instead of keeping that money in our economy, building US jobs, and lowering our energy costs?

You all are such silly, easily mislead people it’s hard to take you seriously on anything.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

“Even if the last few years have been much colder than normal.”

“Even if the last few years have been much colder atmospherically than normal, while the oceans have been proven to be continually warming.”

And Monty, the “Global Warming” theory is being proven more wrong every day

You’re getting your information from a parody site. Try reading a science site. Warning, they use big words that you might not be used to seeing.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-do-we-know-global-warming-is-still-happening.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-we-know-global-warming-is-happening-Part-2.html

Cap and Tax will cost the average family about $3,000 in higher energy costs, not to mention put some industries out of business, force businesses to lay people off to pay for higher energy costs, raise prices of products, chase jobs overseas, and give foreign competitors an advantage.

Source? I’m guessing this is from another of those parody sites you mistake for real information.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

“Even if the last few years have been much colder atmospherically than normal, while the oceans have been proven to be continually warming.”

Correction:
“Even if the last few years have been much colder atmospherically than our most recent record high of only a few years ago, the oceans have been proven to be continually warming.”

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

“Why do you prefer sending our money to the same people who attacked us on 9/11 (the Saudis) instead of keeping that money in our economy”

Because you libs won’t allow us to drill on American soil. We have more oil than we know what to do with in places like ANWR, but you libs won’t let us touch it, instead forcing us to buy oil from the Arabs.

And D.T., we ARE working on alternative forms of energy, but government can’t force us to switch over to these until they are perfected.

We’ve tried things like Ethanol, but found that it is much less efficient and more environmentally damaging than gasoline, while driving up the cost of our food. Not only that, it can’t survive without taxpayer subsidies and is NOT the answer.

We shouldn’t be in such a hurry to impose economy killing Cap & Tax regulations on ourselves in the name of a leftist hoax.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

“the oceans have been proven to be continually warming”

Like the Atlantic with Daytona Beach just setting a record low temp while sitting on this hot body of water.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

I just heard KQRS report that the temperature was only 36F. Thats the average high for NOVERMBER 24!

More proof of “Global Warming”!

O.T. says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

If you get the chance, have a meal at Hells Kitchen- it is excellent down to every detail. They even make their own ketchup!

Also- if in Duluth, eat at Bellisiosin Canal Park, some of the best Italian I have ever had, I look forward to going there every time I go up there.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

Thanks for the tip O.T. I lived in Duluth for for a school year in the 70′s, and would like to go back up there for a visit if we ever get back to normal temperature.

How was the weather up there? It’s usually pretty chilly sitting right on Lake Superior and all. I’ll try to go the the Italian place. My wife loves Italian food. We’ll probaby go up to Gooseberry Falls as well if it’s not too cold out.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

Because you libs won’t allow us to drill on American soil.

Who runs Florida? Not the libs.

We have more oil than we know what to do with in places like ANWR,

Six months supply. Six. Months. And then only years later.

And D.T., we ARE working on alternative forms of energy,

We!?!? YOU and the rest of the right are fighting this every_step_of_the_way.

We’ve tried things like Ethanol,

Blame the agribusiness lobbyists.

We shouldn’t be in such a hurry to impose economy killing

We had a chance to start on economic saving and job creating initiatives 30 years ago but they got spiked when “I Love the Saudis” Reagan came into office.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

They even make their own ketchup!

Try their peanut butter.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

Like the Atlantic with Daytona Beach just setting a record low temp while sitting on this hot body of water.

When the jet stream is blowing from north to south it brings the northern air south. I don’t know why I should be surprised this concept is beyond your ability to comprehend, but apparently it is.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

Who runs Alaska? Not the libs.

And yet the libs in Washington won’t allow them to tap into their own oil.

“Six months supply. Six. Months. And then only years later.”

If it’s not a good idea, the oil companies making the investment wouldn’t drill there.

“We!?!? YOU and the rest of the right are fighting this every_step_of_the_way.”

Not true, conservatives want clean energy as well, they are just more practical about it.

“Blame the agribusiness lobbyists.”

I’m sure there is plenty of blame to go around. The point is that it was a bad idea and did more harm than good.

“We had a chance to start on economic saving and job creating initiatives 30 years ago”

You mean tax regulation increases? Again, I’m all for developing new forms of energy, but lets be practical about it and not kill our economy over it.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

I just heard KQRS report that the temperature was only 36F. Thats the average high for NOVERMBER 24!

More proof of “Global Warming”!

And I just read at the Journal of Geophysical Research that the Earth’s total heat content when including the oceans down to a depth of 3000 meters clearly shows global warming has continued past 1998.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009JD012105.shtml

I also just read at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that this last June-August sea surface temperatures were the warmest on record.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090916_globalstats.html

Though KQRS is no doubt a highly respected scientific institution, I do believe my sources of information offer more proof of global warming than yours.

Unless you’re talking about Jack Daniels type of proof. In that case your proof in indeed the stronger.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

“Though KQRS is no doubt a highly respected scientific institution”

They just reported the temp D.T., nothing else. Don’t get so carried away!

And D.T., temperatures fluctuate. Why do you liberals only concern yourselves when certain temps rise, but ignore the data when things are unusually cold?

Greenland used to be a fairly nice place and the Vikings settled there, but the climate changed and it got taken over by glaciers. Man had nothing to do with it!

The hot and dry dust bowl years were awful as well 80 years ago. If man is truly heating up the earth, why did this happen way back then and not today?. Again temperatures naturally fluctuate, and the unusual cold we have been experiencing over the last few years shows that.

And Dan, if you are correct and our cold weather can be blamed on massive arctic ice melt, why haven’t ocean levels risen resulting in Florida flooding?

O.T. says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Dan- i saw that they sold it in jars, i bet it is good. the bison burgers were great but i had the ham and pear with fontina cheese panini and a cup of the mahtowan porridge on the side- excellent!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

O.T.

What’s the Italian place like? Something you could bring smaller kids to, or more of a fancy place? Thanks!

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

i saw that they sold it in jars, i bet it is good. the bison burgers were great but i had the ham and pear with fontina cheese panini and a cup of the mahtowan porridge on the side- excellent!

You have to try the peanut butter next time. It’s more a honey-roasted peanut paste. Incredible. Love the Bison sausage. Wife loves the porridge. Great corn pancakes, and I can identify their scrambled eggs blindfolded. One of our all time favorite breakfast spots. I hope the new location makes it.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

And D.T., temperatures fluctuate. Why do you liberals only concern yourselves when certain temps rise, but ignore the data when things are unusually cold?

Because one occurs globally while the other occurs locally. Do I have to send you to dictionary.com?

Greenland used to be a fairly nice place and the Vikings settled there, but the climate changed and it got taken over by glaciers.

Are you saying the Greenland glaciers are only a few hundred years old? Are you next going to say the Earth is only 6,000 years old?

And Dan, if you are correct and our cold weather can be blamed on massive arctic ice melt, why haven’t ocean levels risen resulting in Florida flooding?

If the internal combustion engine is so great, why can’t my car go from 0-60 in .32 seconds?

Here’s a handy graph of ocean levels since 1992. Even someone with your enormous blind spots can spot the trend.

h – ttp://sealevel.colorado.edu/

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

I just went outside and looked at the rain gauge. IT’S STILL FROZEN SOLID!

The average high temp for today is 63F!

“Love the Bison sausage”

My sister lives out in Wyoming and shot a Buffalo a few years ago, she was lucky enough to draw a tag and had her Cowboy friends help with the hunt. It took three guys to lift the head up the the bar where she showed everyone.

Anyone, she sent some meat our way and got me hooked. When we go out to South Dakota, we usually bring a few pounds of burger etc. back home. It costs almost half of what places like Cub charges.

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

“Belief in man-made global warming will soon be laughed out of existence.”

Don’t look now D2 but Exxon Mobil Corporation, one or the contributors to your denialist website, is getting into algae fuels big time:

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/ariel-schwartz/sustainability/surprise-longtime-biofuel-holdout-exxon-makes-600-million-algae-f

But don’t make any ivestment decisions before discussing it with your broker.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

“Don’t look now D2 but Exxon Mobil Corporation, one or the contributors to your denialist website, is getting into algae fuels big time:”

Ya see D.T.! Private industry will perfect new forms of energy to make a profit WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!

Thanks for the stoty adlib! This shows that Henry Taxman’s Cap and Tax scheme shouldn’t be imposed on us.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

I just went outside and looked at the rain gauge. IT’S STILL FROZEN SOLID!

The average high temp for today is 63F!

h – ttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/local

Ya see D.T.! Private industry will perfect new forms of energy to make a profit WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!

What makes you think they didn’t do this in response to cap and trade?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

“Because one occurs globally while the other occurs locally.”

The WHOLE WORLD has been colder than normal D.T., not just Minnesota.

“Are you saying the Greenland glaciers are only a few hundred years old?”

No, I’m saying that Climate Changes naturally.

“Here’s a handy graph of ocean levels since 1992.”

There graph shows changes in MILLIMETERS!, hardly any change at all!. I think the study was put on by leftists and flawed much like the Coleman/Franken “recount”, but I guess it wouldn’t surprise me if sea levels fluctuate just like temperature.

Also, your study stops at 2005. Is that because sea levels started to naturally go back down after that?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

“What makes you think they didn’t do this in response to cap and trade?”

I’m sure they were working on this well before the soci@lists took over Washington.

Downtown Dan says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

The WHOLE WORLD has been colder than normal D.T., not just Minnesota.

NO IT HASN’T. Have you bother to follow a single link? (Answer, obviously not)

No, I’m saying that Climate Changes naturally.

No, you were saying that Greenland was temperate when the Vikings were there and now it’s covered in glaciers.

There graph shows changes in MILLIMETERS!, hardly any change at all!.

You obviously have no idea how large the oceans are relative to the amount of ice runoff, and it shows a clear trend that should be going the other way if the planet was really cooling. But it’s not cooling so the graph doesn’t show that.

Also, your study stops at 2005.

No it doesn’t.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

“You obviously have no idea how large the oceans are relative to the amount of ice runoff”

The Arctic and Antarctic are huge as well D.T.. To have the massive amount of ice melt you suggest is causing record low temperature as far south as Daytona Beach on the extremely warm Atlantic Ocean, the levels would have to rise MUCH, MUCH higher than the few millimters your flawed study suggests.

This liberal B.S. is actually funny, but also scarey since the soci@lists in power want to destroy our economy in the process of pushing their leftist agenda of control and redistribution.

monty says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

“This liberal B.S. is actually funny, but also scarey since the soci@lists in power want to destroy our economy in the process of pushing their leftist agenda of control and redistribution”

Troll-speak for “When you have absolutely nothing to back up what you’re saying, revert to the default position of misinformation and propaganda”.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

Oh Great. We’ve got a WINTER STORM WATCH for Monday!

More proof of “Globull Warming”!

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

Fascist D2 is not only unpatriotic, but he also tends to spread misinformation.

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

“What makes you think they didn’t do this in response to cap and trade?”

Exxon isn’t the only corporation moving to Algae fuels. Cap and trade provides the structure needed for the petrofuel industry to migrate to low C02 producing alternatives.

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/ariel-schwartz/sustainability/bp-joins-exxon-algae-fuel-lovefest

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

“Fascist D2 is not only unpatriotic, but he also tends to spread misinformation.”

Spoken like a true liberal extremist! You should be proud of your leftist idiology Greg!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

“Cap and trade forces the petrofuel industry to migrate to less efficient and more expensive alternatives.”

There, fixed it.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

Fascist D2 is not only unpatriotic but he also tends to spread misinformation.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

Fascist D2 is not only unpatriotic, he also spreads misinformation.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

Listen, is this thing in Pakistan a warm up to attacking a nuclear site.

Can you imagine the environmental impact of such a explosion. You can bike to work and wipe using only one ply but it isn’t going to make one bit of a difference( not that it does now anyhow)

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

“Cap and trade forces the petrofuel industry to migrate to less efficient and more expensive alternatives.

There, fixed it.”

Actually the costs would probably vary between a half and a third of the costs of importing our oil. We wouldn’t have to export all that American treasure, and we wouldn’t need to despoil Alaska to fuel our Yukons.

http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

“Fascist D2 is not only unpatriotic, he also spreads misinformation.”

Quit spreading misinformation liberal Greg. The warmers are doing that as well. Algores “documentary” has been proven to be filled with lies, but the left treats it like the Bible.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

“Actually the costs would probably vary between a half and a third of the costs of importing our oil”

So let’s quit importing Muslim oil then and tap into our own vast reserves. Our gas prices would plummet which would be good for the economy. At the same time, lets continue perfecting alternative forms of energy. Right now we are screwed if Mulsim oil gets cut off for some reason.

And adlib, with new drilling technology, no spoiling of ANWR would occur.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

Fascist D2 is not only unpatriotic, but he also tends to lie.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

Obama himself has stated that he likes $4.00 gasoline (spoken like a true soci@list such as Greg), and we can’t trust the democrat soci@list party to handle our energy needs. American’s need to start calling their Representatives and ask them to allow domestic drilling before we have another huge increase in fuel costs again, and it will happen.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

Go play with your Gerbils again Greg. That type of behavior would be right up your alley.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

Greg: Refer to my 6:26 post

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

I’ve still got some snow on the ground. Anyone else?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

Well I think the coals are ready and I’m going to put some steaks on the grill. My wife picked up some Alaskan King Crab as well for tonight. It doesn’t get much better than that.

I’ll check back for Greg’s abuse later.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

This is from my elderly Jewish cousin of my Jewish uncle. He put s out a newsletter every so often amd I wanted to share it with you.
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If you are one of the many who called, wrote, or wondered if I had removed your name from my mailing list, this is for you. No, No, No. The last issue of SSEZ went out in early July, and during the past three months, as I listened to the angry, tiresome, and incomprehensible arguments about health care, the economy, the bailouts, the stimulus package, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and so many national and international problems, I decided to sit on the sidelines studying those struggles while relaxing and enjoying the summer at Dodger Stadium and the Hollywood Bowl. However, as I have watched our President deal with the dangers posed by Iran, I am now inclined to believe that what we have in the White House is a man who is taking after Neville Chamberlain rather than Winston Churchill. I pray that I am wrong, but . . . (If your schools never taught about Chamberlain and Churchill, it is my strong suggestion that you Google those names or go to the library and read about these two men.)

My major concern in life has been Israel’s safety because almost six million Jews are a prime target of Iran’s Ahmadinejad, today’s Hitler. As Hitler did in the 1920’s and 1930’s, Ahmadinejad’s intentions are right there for everyone to see and know. He hides nothing, and those who fail to take him at his word are doomed to suffer horrible consequences just as the world did when it ignored what Hitler wrote and said. While all of the above cited issues are important, Iran’s planned murder of almost six million Jews in Israel takes precedence with me.

What Will Your Children Learn At College Or At The University?

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni (ACTA) is a magnificent organization which has been doing outstanding work pointing out the failures of many of our colleges and universities to educate our young people. Their most recent report, “What Will They Learn: A Report on the General Education Requirements at 100 of the Nation’s Leading Colleges and Universities?” (emphasis added), is a real eye opener.

ACTA researched 100 major institutions of higher learning to see if they require their students to take courses in English, composition, literature, foreign language, U.S. government or history, economics, math, and science. Sadly, such topics have simply become options (electives) on many campuses.

The National Center for Education Statistics reports that only 31 percent of college graduates can read and understand a complex book. The Society for Human Resource Management found that only 24 percent of employers thought graduates of four-year colleges were “excellently prepared” for entry-level positions. College seniors regularly failed tests involving their knowledge of civics and matters of history.

ACTA graded the 100 colleges and universities that were researched. Forty-two were graded “D” or “F” because they required only two or fewer of those seven key subjects. Not a single institution required all seven subjects. Seven institutions were given an “A” because they required six of the subjects. They were Brooklyn College of the City University of New York, Hunter College, Baylor University, Texas A&M, University of Arkansas (Fayetteville), West Point, and the University of Texas (Austin).

Among the “F’s” were Yale, Cornell, Northwestern, and UC Berkeley where a biological science requirement can be met with a course titled, “Fitness for Life: Physical Adaptations to Exercise.”

Twenty institutions received a “C” for requiring three subjects and thirty-three received a “B” for requiring four or five subjects.

ACTA contends that “paying a lot doesn’t get you a lot.” Apparently the higher the tuition the less likely there are rigorous general education requirements. Average tuition and fees at the 11 schools that require no subjects is $37,700, but average tuition at the five schools that require six subjects is $5,400.

If you want to do your own checking on this information, ACTA’s new Website is WhatWillTheyLearn.com.

None of this comes as a surprise to me because for many years I have been horrified by how little our “educated” young people know about history and what we used to call “civics,” and government. Furthermore, asking them to write a coherent letter or report was like asking them to climb Kilimanjaro. When I was at ADL I hired many very bright young people who were graduates of some of our most prestigious colleges and universities, and with only one exception, most of them could not write a simple letter.

Do you want to have some fun? Take a clipboard with a yellow-lined paper pad, and go to any busy street corner. Tell the people that you are a pollster for the XYZ Polling Company (or make up a name that suits you) and ask them to answer a few questions. For example, my questions would be (1) Who are the two U.S. Senators from California – or from your own state if you are not a Californian? (2) How many Supreme Court Justices are there? (3) Can you name two of them? (4) Who is the Vice-President? (5) Who did the United States fight in World War II? (6) Who is your Congressperson?

These questions are not cast in concrete. Ask whatever questions you think are more relevant. You will be astonished by the stupid replies of your fellow citizens and by how many “I Don’t Know” answers you will get. Our schools are too busy teaching about diversity, sexual preferences, cross-dressing, and God-knows-whatever-nonsense our “educators” can concoct.

Remember: Be Well Because All Else Is Bubkiss

O.T. says:

October 10th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

d2- the place is fine for kids, probably 9 or so and up, i wouldn’t want to take babies or toddlers in there. It is a fancy place but it also Duluth which takes down the haughty scale a few notches.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Thanks O.T.! We might give it a try.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

Man it’s cold outside. Is this really only Oct. 10th or December?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

“It is a fancy place but it also Duluth which takes down the haughty scale a few notches.”

It is kind of awful in many ways, after all, it’s run by liberals.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

As Polar Ice expands, liberal alarmists have another bad week:

h**p://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/10/08/lawrence-solomon-global-blushing.aspx

This one’s for you D.T.!

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Liberal Greg’s favorite song:
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Lord I was born a liberal Man

Tryin’ to be a leftist an doin’ the best I can

When it’s time for soci@lism, I hope you’ll understand

That I was born a liberal Man.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Did you wear out your Gerbils already Liberal Greg? Maybe you need to chill them longer before insertion.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Not to mention that Communist Downtown Dan and his one world global government. Don’t know about beastiality. I think its okay. Not sure?

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

Perhaps only with squirrels?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Liberal Greg,

I’m thinking about turning Gerbil hiding perverted liberals like you in to PETA. I guess that they wouldn’t do anything though to an extreme liberal like you, especially since NOW didn’t even comment when Bill Clinton used his power and influence to have his way with young interns and many other women.

Tiny bulbs says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

“Game 3 of the Phillies-Rockies playoff on Saturday night has been postponed because of cold, snowy weather.”

Communist Comrade Algoreist Dufus Dan
I wanted to watch THE DAMN GAME TONIGHT!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

“Perhaps only with squirrels?”

They might fit a Big A Hole like you liberal Greg.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

“Game 3 of the Phillies-Rockies playoff on Saturday night has been postponed because of cold, snowy weather.”

More proof of “Globull Warming”!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

“Game 3 of the Phillies-Rockies playoff on Saturday night has been postponed because of cold, snowy weather.”

This also reminds me of the time when a “Globull Warming” protest in D.C. was cancelled do to extreme cold, and when an Arctic Trek designed to educate people on “Global Warming” was cancelled due to extreme cold.

Too funny!

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

Take your meds Liberal Greg,

Night,Night…

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government).

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

Where are liberal media reports that Antarctic Sea Ice extent is at an ALL TIME HIGH?

http://www.climate-keptic.com/2009/10/telling-half-the-story-100-of-the-time.html

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

“Fascist Liar D2″

Yawn….

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

Goodnight all. I think I’ll go snuggle with my trophy wife.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

What happened to global warming?

“This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

So what on Earth is going on?”

Read more….

http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

You’re like an annoying little kid who won’t shut up until you let him watch cartoons Greg.

OK, go watch cartoons!

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

Please send money now to help people like Greg inflicted with liberalism.

Only YOU can prevent liberalism.

http://www.helpgregtheliberal.com

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation.

adlib says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

“This also reminds me of the time when a “Globull Warming” protest in D.C. was cancelled do to extreme cold, and when an Arctic Trek designed to educate people on “Global Warming” was cancelled due to extreme cold.

Too funny!”

You denialists are amazing. Do you really believe when you see global warming it would happen to make things just right like adjusting a thermostat?
Humans live in a pretty narrow comfort zone after all and a decade of increasingly hot climate would soon make you forget a decade of chill, or make you pine for the memory of it.

Forget the science. What did the good book tell you? The world will end not by flood, not by ice, but by fire the next time. Don’t you believe it? Is your piety a pretence?

I don’t believe it either. Could be a nucleur winter. Could be unpreventable, like volcanically induced years of winter or ice age caused by an asteroid collision. But if none of these happens the planet will still tend to become more like Mars in future centuries.

Maybe all we can do is to slow down that trend and get serious about preserving the environment and the natural diversity of plant and animal species.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

Someone should call the men in white coats for Liberal Greg.

Greg 63 says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 10th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

“Maybe all we can do is to slow down that trend and get serious about preserving the environment and the natural diversity of plant and animal species.”

I agree adlib. We need to start by adressing third world overpopulation which is by far the biggest threat to out environment, but liberals would rather attack us.

להקיא says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:18 am

Don’t move to Florida John. Daytona Beach just set a record low temperature the other day due to the rapidly warming Atlantic it sits on.

Where I sit, record highs for this time of year were set this week.

להקיא says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:19 am

And a new phrase enters the language.
“Yankee Stadium foul” = ball hit fairly ruled foul

Don’t be a sore loser, Adlib.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:30 am

You Gullibalists are amazing. Do you really believe when you see globull warming it would happen to make things just right by Buying mercury laden CFLs?
Gorists live in a pretty narrow comfort zone after all and a decade of “if it happens there its weather, if it happens here it’s climate” would soon make you forget a decade of chill, or make you pine for the memory of it.

“What did the good book tell you? The world will end not by flood, not by ice, but by fire the next time. Don’t you believe it?”

OK Adlib, This is where you went off the deep end (probulbly due to globull warming.

My 9 year old said it best after I lectured her about shutting off the lights and closing doors when leaving a room. She said -

“Yeah dad, and If we can save money by doing this then we can save the trees from being cut down to make money.”

Unfortunatly I had to tell her that our government is in the bussiness of cutting down trees to print more money.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:31 am

“Where I sit, record highs for this time of year were set this week.”

In a port-a-potty with a southern exposure?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:34 am

I made a joke about a Mime the other day and would like to publicly apologize to Vomit for the anti-semite view it may have portrayed.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:55 am

“Someone should call the men in white coats for Liberal Greg.”

Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees
And begged you not to leave
Because I’d go berserk?
Well. . .

You left me anyhow
And then the days got worse and worse
And now you see I’ve gone
Completely out of my mind
And. . .

They’re coming to take me away, HA HA
They’re coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I’ll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they’re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .

You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I’m utterly mad!
And. . .

They’re coming to take me away, HA HA
They’re coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they’re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

I cooked your food
I cleaned your house
And this is how you pay me back
For all my kind, unselfish loving deeds?!!
Hah. . .

Well you just wait
They’ll find you yet
And when they do they’ll
Put you in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!
And. . .

They’re coming to take me away, HA HA
They’re coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I’ll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they’re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they’re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I’ll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they’re coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:55 am

“Maybe all we can do is to slow down that trend and get serious about preserving the environment and the natural diversity of plant and animal species.”

Adfib,
The best thing we can do to protect the planet is to control turd world overpopulation. I’ve personally seen the destruction myself when I was in Nepal. Why don’t liberals ever address the problem?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:29 am

California’s Budget Problems Exacerbated by Illegal Immigration:

Costs of Illegal Immigration to State Match Amount of the Budget Deficit

SANTA BARBARA – While Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has called for increases in the sales tax and cuts in services to reduce the budget deficit of $11.2 billion, a population group has noted that the shortfall is about the same as the costs of illegal immigration to the state.

Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS) says that a 2004 study indicated that California’s illegal alien population imposed a net cost of $9 billion per year on the state’s taxpayers just for education, medical care and incarceration. “After adjusting the figure for current costs and increases in the number of illegal aliens, it would exceed the state’s projected deficit,” according to Diana Hull, the organization’s President, “and this is a very conservative estimate.”

Other states are taking steps to reduce illegal immigration and the burdens it imposes. Arizona, for instance, passed legislation requiring that employers use the E-verify system to check the work eligibility of employees. “Unfortunately, California is going the other direction, and taxpayers get stuck with the bill,” said Hull.

The costs of illegal immigration to California are likely much higher. A 2007 study by Philip J. Romero, formerly a research economist at RAND, top economic adviser to Governor Pete Wilson and later Dean of the University of Oregon School of Business, estimated that illegal aliens in California receive somewhere between $10 and $38 billion more in state services than they pay in state taxes.

Schwarzenegger has responded to the budget crisis by ordering a special session of the state legislature to increase the sales tax by 1.5 percent, increase other taxes, and cut funds for education.

“California needs a special session of the legislature to deal with the problem of illegal immigration, beginning right now. If we don’t stop illegal immigration, the costs will continue to escalate, deficits will continue to get larger and the tax burden will finally become unbearable, causing residents and businesses to relocate,” Hull said.

http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=513&menu_id=8

We need to get rid of Rybak’s illegal alien “Santuary City” policy so we don’t go broke like California.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:39 am

“Don’t be a sore loser, Adlib.”

If a ball hit fairly but ruled foul doesn’t affect other base runners the review should be automatic and not require a coach to protest the call. A grand slam homerun ruled a foul ball by the line judge could obviously decide a game. Yet it would also be an either/or situation because there could be no play on any of the base runners. Has that ever happened? If so, I wonder where.

Joe Mauer’s lead off double with no other runners on base would be another. Would it have delayed the game too much to get it that call right?

I caught the look on the ump’s face after he’d made his call. Sort of like telling himself to gut it out because this one is going to be controversial. I can sympathize with his dilemma: upon review he will seem like either a corrupt or a blind judge. I think it was more like 50’000 fans paying attention and millions more in TV land watching the trajectory of the slicing ball, mentally willing it to land out of bounds. That wasn’t enough to change where it hit the turf but was definitely enough to bend to the umpire’s call.

Baseball’s a game of statistics. I wonder what’s the record for the distance within fair territory a ball ruled foul ever landed? This one might be at least a post season record, but if nobody squawks about it I’m sure that foul record will be broken soon.

O.T. says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:40 am

interesting:

Lost in the shuffle of the CBO scoring of Max Baucus’ non-existent bill on the health care overhaul system this week is another analysis by the CBO on tort reform. According to CBO director Douglas Elmendorf on his blog, the CBO studied the impact of both the reduced cost of litigation and the elimination of defensive medicine that would result with tort reform. Elmendorf says that tort reform would reduce the federal deficit $54 billion over the next ten years, more than the fee Baucus plans to charge insurers for the privilege of existence

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:51 am

Has that ever happened?

(Meant to ask whether a grand slam home ruling has ever resulted from an overturned foul call.)

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:52 am

“Elmendorf says that tort reform would reduce the federal deficit $54 billion over the next ten years, more than the fee Baucus plans to charge insurers for the privilege of existence”

The democrat party is against tort reform and it won’t happen in the near future. Trial lawyers have been paying off democrats for years to block much needed tort reform.

People should be outraged!

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 10:08 am

“The best thing we can do to protect the planet is to control turd world overpopulation.”

De-semenate condoms?

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 10:19 am

Gun advocate is fatally shot by her husband: (Strib Sat. 10/10/09)

“A soccer mom who was thrust into the national gun rights debate after taking a loaded pistol to youth sports events was killed by her husband in a shooting witnessed online by her video chat partner, authorities said. Scott Hain, 33 killed himself after killing his wife, Melanie, 30.”

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 10:20 am

“Unfortunatly I had to tell her that our government is in the bussiness of cutting down trees to print more money.”

What’s that saying again…

Reality Has a Liberal Bias.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:02 am

“OK Adlib, This is where you went off the deep end (probulbly due to globull warming.”

OK GO, you’ve a problem with my metaphysics. When you cremate a loved one does the smoke rise to heaven or as the children chant is it “ashes ashes they all fall down?” Is Heaven located in the atmosphere, the stratosphere, or the vacuum of space? Maybe it’s a State of mind like one’s own private Idaho.

What about when you burn tires in your annual bonfire. Kind of like dumping the chamberpots into the channel in middle of the lane outside one’s house in merry olde England. Not the end of the world. The rain would take it somewhere else.

Sounds like you’ve got a fairly intelligent kid. You taught her it isn’t tactful to criticize the family’s income source and she gets it. You want to be at least okay with the lumberjack neighbors.

Your point about compact fluorescents is noteworthy but hopefully not a deal breaker. If not environmentally sound the issues with product will definitely give rise to invention of a successor that is both low energy and viable.

Can cf’s coexist with incandescent bulbs and both be affordable? It would be too bad if you have to stockpile incandescents before they disappear from the shelves. Some people heat their homes with those you know, to say nothing of their uses for hatching poultry.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:21 am

“What’s that saying again…

Reality Has a Liberal Bias.”

That’s because liberals are capable of admitting errors. A real conservative would not have made the error in the first place.

A radical conservative would fear the admission of any error as being the removal of a brick from his stonewall simulacrum of reality.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:24 am

“If a ball hit fairly but ruled foul doesn’t affect other base runners the review should be automatic and not require a coach to protest the call.”

NO!! NO!! NO!! Absolutely NOT!!!

NO REVIEWS IN BASEBALL!!!

This isnt the NFL. Umpires and bad calls are a part of the game. Always have been always will be. You have to take it as it comes.

Yeahm it was a terrible terrible call but thtas the game of baseball. Consider it pay back for the non call on Inge being hit by a pitch in the Det game.

It all evens out in the end.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:30 am

“Joe Mauer’s lead off double with no other runners on base would be another. Would it have delayed the game too much to get it that call right?”

How do you know it would have been a double? Could’ve been a triple. Where do you draw the line? After his hands went up to call the foul, Mauer would have stopped running. The fielder would have stopped playing the ball. Maybe the fielder quits playing the ball but Mauer runs it out and stands on third? Do you give him third base in that instance or make him go back to two? You cant review the play after its been called a dead ball because you’ve stopped the natural chain of events.

You open up that pandoras box and now baseball has been changed for the worst forever. You’l have computers calling balls and strikes in a few seasons. NO REVIEWS!!!!!

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:40 am

“It all evens out in the end.”

That might be true if getting two hits in one clutch at bat situation could be enough to cinch Mauer claim to the MVP honor despite two other strong candidates from the team favored to win this series and perahps the World Series.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:41 am

“How do you know it would have been a double?”

See definition of ground rule double.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:47 am

Looks like Rush Limbaugh might soon be part owner of the St. Louis Rams.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 11:48 am

See definition of ground rule double.

Parsing the logic of same, I believe if there had been only one runner on either first or second then a ground rule double would only permit the baserunner advancing to third. If there were two runners on base then one of them would score.

In none of these situations would the defensive players even be a factor in the ruling.

Downtown Dan says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

California Budget already in the RED 10 weeks after passage.

Who would have ever guessed that laying off thousands and thousands of government workers and cutting a few more billion in spending would have led to a reduction in the state’s income tax revenue? California takes a lesson from Hoover and everyone’s shocked at how this turns out.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

D.T., California’s economic problems are caused by massive illegal immigration and liberal policy. Have you been to Southern California lately? Might as well start calling it Mexifornia. The illegals call it Alta California.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

“Have you been to Southern California lately? Might as well start calling it Mexifornia”

Have youy been to Southern Texas lately? Might as well start calling it Texico.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

“…if there had been only one runner on either first or second then a ground rule double would only permit the baserunner advancing to third.”

I’m wrong. A ground rule double advances each baserunner by two bases.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Have you been to Southern California lately? Might as well start calling it “‘Fornia ‘cation.”

Fixed it.

Was it business or pleasure? Or was business your pleasure, or perhaps pleasure your business?

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

“See definition of ground rule double.”

Did the ball go into the stands? I dont recall.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

38-10 vikes. They stopped the rush of St Louis and defeated the Rams of the Rush.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

“In none of these situations would the defensive players even be a factor in the ruling.”

My point about the defender in calling the ball foul being important is that he stops pursuing the play if the ump calls it foul. It is important in the replay because now you need to assume the defense would or wouldnt have done something had the ball been called fair and make another judegment call. Once the play has been ruled dead, you cant review it, not that you should in the first place.

Its the same thing in the NFL. Once the play is whistled dead, thats it, its over, end of story no review.

Baseball is doing just fine without instant replay.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

“Was it business or pleasure?”

I’ve been there for both recently, and was shocked at how Mexicanized it’s become. I’m some of the towns I’ve driven through near Palm Spings, virtually all of the billboards are in Spanish. English is rare around many parts of Los Angeles as well.
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“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

“Looks like Rush Limbaugh might soon be part owner of the St. Louis Rams.”

A loser owner for a loser franchise.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

“38-10 vikes. They stopped the rush of St Louis and defeated the Rams of the Rush.”

Way to go Vikes!

Maybe now Rush will get a better deal on them with their lowly record of 0-5.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

“Did the ball go into the stands? I dont recall. ”

It looked like the ball hit the ground 2 or 3 inches, maybe more, from the LF foul line within fair territory and then bounced into the stands on the out of bounds side of the corner. It was really moving so you had to pay attention.

Mauer bats left handed and this hit was slicing to the opposite field.

Downtown Dan says:

October 11th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

D.T., California’s economic problems are caused by massive illegal immigration and liberal policy.

I had no idea Schwarzenegger was a liberal, or that Mexican immigration only started a few years ago. Who’s been picking all those veggies all these years?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

“I had no idea Schwarzenegger was a liberal”

He’s one of the biggest liberal RINO’s out there. After all. he’s married into the Kennedy Clan.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

“Who’s been picking all those veggies all these years?”

I worked on Christmas tree farms shearing and spraying trees when I was a teenager, but illegal aliens have now taken over.

Teenagers need these jobs to help pay for college, etc. but instead the money is going back to Mexico to pay Cyotes to bring all their relative here as well illegally.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

“Mauer bats left handed and this hit was slicing to the opposite field.”

Adlib, I may be a moron about other things, but I do know what side of the plate Mauer bats.

The ball was also about a foot fair. It also hit the left fielders glove in fair territory. None of it really matters anyway.

The real issue the other night was who the hell called the pitch sequence when Nathan chocked against Rodriguez?

They didnt challenge him with Nathan’s best pitch which is the fastball. So they start him with three sliders out of the zone? Then when A Rod is sitting on a fastball you put one right in his wheel house over the inside of the plate? If you dont challend Rodriguez when the count in in your favor, you dont throw that pitch where you did when youre behind and hes looking for it.

The right thing to do is with a 3 – 0 count you put him on first, and hope to get a double play. The last thing you do is throw a fastball to the one guy looking for one and in a situation where the worst thing that could happen would be to give up a homerun.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

“After all. he’s married into the Kennedy Clan.”

With which clan member are you tarring Maria Shriver with guilt by association?

JFK?

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

“I worked on Christmas tree farms shearing and spraying trees when I was a teenager, but illegal aliens have now taken over.”

That’s BS.

Most kids today don’t want those jobs and that’s the issue. If they want to work they’ll be hired. Heck, when I was down and needed the barn cleaned guess who the only people willing to do it were?

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

“They didnt challenge him with Nathan’s best pitch which is the fastball. So they start him with three sliders out of the zone?”

Nathan apparently didn’t have his fastball working for him that night. Most of the Twins don’t have star power and face recognition in the Big Apple.
I suspect however that Nathan does. If he believed the hype about himself it could have doomed him in NYC.

Was he unable to get past Tuesday night’s amazing win? He sure didn’t seem like part of the team effort Friday. He didn’t even look ready coming out of the bullpen. I think he’d do anything to make amends but that ship may already have sailed.

monty says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

“I had no idea Schwarzenegger was a liberal, or that Mexican immigration only started a few years ago. Who’s been picking all those veggies all these years?”

Dan, anything to the left of Hitler is a liberal to our d2. And for him and his “ilk”, the veggies and the fruit just pick themselves. ‘Merica never needed no illegals to do nothin’ ’til Clinton sneaked into office.

monty says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

“NO REVIEWS IN BASEBALL!!!”

I’ll second that, but there needs to be some kind of accountability system for the umps that is a little more stringent than “There’s a guy in there that feels horrible. I’ve been there.” If they fvck up like Cuzzi, they should be out of the playoffs. Period. You raise a good point about Inge, but that one was almost impossible to detect without instant replay. Cuzzi’s call was pretty straight forward by comparison.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

“Heck, when I was down and needed the barn cleaned guess who the only people willing to do it were?”

In the old days, neighbors would have helped you out Liberal Greg if you needed it.

When I went to South Dakota recently for a funeral, neighbors proved dinner and doughnuts daily to my relatives for about three days.

You need to get some CONSERVATIVE friends Liberal Greg who actually care about you.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

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monty says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

“In the old days, neighbors would have helped you out Liberal Greg if you needed it.”

That’s right. In the olden days, there was no such thing as day labor, migrant workers and such riff raff. Evereybody helped each other out, if they were conservatives, that is.
Got news for ya, d2. Migrant workers and day laborers have been around for a loooong time. Your “old days” are one of those golden hued fantasies about how good life was back then that never really existed. Sure, people help each other out in time of need(funerals, family catastrophies, etc), but cleaning out the barn? Gimme a break. I thought you neocons were social darwinists, busy pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps and such.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

“That’s BS.”

Greg, Stick to the strategy you’ve been using. It’s much more effective.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

“I’ll second that, but there needs to be some kind of accountability system for the umps that is a little more stringent than “There’s a guy in there that feels horrible. I’ve been there.””

They rate the umps based on a review system and only the most highly rated umps get the chance to ump in the playoffs. Im pretty sure thats the system in place now.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

“I’ll second that”

Make it a threesome.

But I do agree with Monty though.

You make one that bad and not only are you out of the playoffs. MLB starts looking at your finances.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

I’ll cut you some slack on the grammar with the stroke and all.

It was the only flaw I could find.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

“You raise a good point about Inge, but that one was almost impossible to detect without instant replay. Cuzzi’s call was pretty straight forward by comparison.”

Doesnt matter. Theyre both straight forward. Either the ball is fair or foul, he was or wasnt hit. It comes down to what you saw and how well you did your job. The foul was a worse call because it was soooooo obvious. But it was also less detrimental to the outcome of the game. The Inge call was harder to make but certainly changed the outcome of the game to a greater extent than the Mauer foul call.

Mauer still should have scored having gotten to second with no outs anyway that inning. Cuddyer got a hit with him at second but he still stayed at 3rd when he should have forced the relay. He didnt and we had bases loaded no outs. In the end he still got to where he would have, second base, no outs.

Inge got hit with the bases loaded.

O.T. says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

NFL Players executive director DeMaurice Smith on Saturday made a move to solidify the union against a bid by conservative talk show radio host Rush Limbaugh as part of a group that aims to purchase the St. Louis Rams.

In an e-mail to the union’s executive committee on Saturday specifically addressing Limbaugh’s bid, Smith said, “I’ve spoken to the Commissioner [Roger Goodell] and I understand that this ownership consideration is in the early stages. But sport in America is at its best when it unifies, gives all of us reason to cheer, and when it transcends. Our sport does exactly that when it overcomes division and rejects discrimination and hatred.”

OT’s take on this:

It is refreshing to see the NFL players stand on moral high ground on this issue. I would hope that they extend this newly found outlook on themselves and immediately throw out every substance abuser, domestic abuser, multiple drunk driver, dog-fight promoter, illegal substance abuser that they have in their ranks. When they reach this plateau then maybe they will have the authority and character to say this about others.

monty says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

“Inge got hit with the bases loaded”

True, and as you say, it WAS a bigger call in terms of the outcome of the game, but, again, you can’t make that call WITHOUT instant replay. I watched it on TV, and, while I saw Inge react, I didn’t see it hit his jersey. Once they slowed it down on instant replay, ya, it sure liked like it brushed him. It was very tough to tell in real time.
To be honest, I’ll bet we’ll se more and more instant replay in baseball as time goes on. I don’t think they should, but I bet they will.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

“but I bet they will.”

One “red flag” is as far as I could go.

But that continues the the “slippery slope” they’ve already started.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

“My point about the defender in calling the ball foul being important is that he stops pursuing the play if the ump calls it foul”

What if every other aspect of the game is called by umpires except fair ball/ foul ball rulings. Technology could track whether a ball hits the ground in or out of bounds. It could measure whether the ball breaks the plane of the foul pole far better than a judge staring at the lights. And huge semaphores on the outfield lines signaling fair or foul could make the game more exciting to watch.

This potential to update the game didn’t exist in the halcyon days of baseball. For what are we nostalgic, the “Black Sox” world series scandal? Why not improve that aspect of pro baseball that is at once most crucial to the outcome and also most susceptible to human weakness.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

“Why not improve that aspect of pro baseball that is at once most crucial to the outcome and also most susceptible to human weakness.”

Because it would put Baseball on a path to suckydom.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

My brother and his son just left the compound. We had a blast shooting 9mm and 22 rifle at my enormous oak wood pile.

Maybe I should invite the Crips, Bloods, and Serrano 7 out to my place to help them with their shooting accuarcy?

monty says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

“Because it would put Baseball on a path to suckydom”

Amen.

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

“We had a blast shooting 9mm and 22 rifle at my enormous oak wood pile.”

Was that oak cut from a family tree?
At what were you shooting in the wood pile?

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

“What if every other aspect of the game is called by umpires except fair ball/ foul ball rulings. Technology could track whether a ball hits the ground in or out of bounds. It could measure whether the ball breaks the plane of the foul pole far better than a judge staring at the lights. And huge semaphores on the outfield lines signaling fair or foul could make the game more exciting to watch.”

NO!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!

Baseball is perfect the way it is (accept the salary cap, but thats not the game). It doesnt not need to be improved on.

Its one of the last beautifully imperfect perfect things we have left. We dont need television and media and technology fvcking it up.

Its the one sport BETTER on radio.

Deacon Blues says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

“For what are we nostalgic, the “Black Sox” world series scandal?”

Some things should neve be changed because they are fine the way they are. Part of baseball IS the human aspect.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

“pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace.”

DTroll has “hit” a new low.

Lead.
Firewood.

It’s all starting to make sense now.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

“DTroll has “hit” a new low.

Lead.
Firewood.”

The exhaust goes OUT the chimney C.S.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

Lead.
Firewood.”

And people live for decades with lead bullets in their bodies C.S.

Why is it s dangerous to have a bullet in my firewood?

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace and then burns the wood with the lead in it creating a toxic smoke which may drift into his neighbors homes whom he expects should always help him out because he’s a conservative.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace and then burns the wood with the lead in it creating a toxic smoke which may drift into his neighbors homes whom he expects should always help him out because he’s a conservative and figures that just because he ate the lead paint (along with glue) when he was young that it couldn’t hurt anyone else since it’s only fumes and it never hurt him (except for those pesky docs who keep trying to get him institutionalized).

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Liberal Greg,

You leftists are concerned about bullets in my firewood, but think that millions of mercury filled light bulbs ending up in our landfills is fine and dandy.

People should be outraged!

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace and then burns the wood with the lead in it creating a toxic smoke which may drift into his neighbors homes whom he expects should always help him out because he’s a conservative and figures that just because he ate the lead paint (along with glue) when he was young that it couldn’t hurt anyone else since it’s only fumes and it never hurt him (except for those pesky docs who keep trying to get him institutionalized) and claiming that anyone to the left of his fascist ideology is liberal and not knowing the true extent of mercury based products disposal and their outcome but just thinks he does because he got an email.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

Take you meds and pudding for the night Greg.

Goodnight all!

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace and then burns the wood with the lead in it creating a toxic smoke which may drift into his neighbors homes whom he expects should always help him out because he’s a conservative and figures that just because he ate the lead paint (along with glue) when he was young that it couldn’t hurt anyone else since it’s only fumes and it never hurt him (except for those pesky docs who keep trying to get him institutionalized) and claiming that anyone to the left of his fascist ideology is liberal and not knowing the true extent of mercury based products disposal and their outcome but just thinks he does because he got an email while telling people to take medications that he is supposed to take so it might look like he’s taking them but he’s not making him a threat to the general public because he’s nutz.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

“because he’s nutz.”

More like an internet migrant worker.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

“More like an internet migrant worker. ”

working illegally from the planet ..

Analidiot

dare2sayit.com says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

Liberal Greg,

You are proving tour allegience to the Marxist Democrat Soci@list Party more and more every day! Good job Fidel!

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

“working illegally from the planet ..”

Solar system, at a minimum.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace and then burns the wood with the lead in it creating a toxic smoke which may drift into his neighbors homes whom he expects should always help him out because he’s a conservative and figures that just because he ate the lead paint (along with glue) when he was young that it couldn’t hurt anyone else since it’s only fumes and it never hurt him (except for those pesky docs who keep trying to get him institutionalized) and claiming that anyone to the left of his fascist ideology is liberal and not knowing the true extent of mercury based products disposal and their outcome but just thinks he does because he got an email while telling people to take medications that he is supposed to take so it might look like he’s taking them but he’s not making him a threat to the general public because he’s nutz and tries to prove that others are out to destroy the country by labeling others as dangerous just as hitler had done to convince people to exterminate other people.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

“Solar system, at a minimum. ”

Yes .. working from the solar system Assholinia on the planet Analidiot.

That better?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

“Yes .. working from the solar system Assholinia on the planet Analidiot.”

And here I thought it was Hemrhoidiot.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

“And here I thought it was Hemrhoidiot.”

You’re right .. sorry. Bad memory.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Ultimately .. he is an illegal.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

“Ultimately .. he is an illegal.”

And so many other “Ill” words.

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

“And so many other “Ill” words. ”
Illegitimate? Like .. opinion?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

“Illegitimate? Like .. opinion?”

ILLogical.

ILLness.

ILLtempered.

ILLbred.

The list goes on and on……

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Yes .. I suppose it would.

How sad .. and ..

unpatriotic.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

“unpatriotic.”

I like the way you boil things down.

I suppose all that “shining” has paid off!

Greg 63 says:

October 11th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

“I suppose all that “shining” has paid off! ”

shining? remind me please

GO lonoscopy says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

“shining? remind me please”

Helmet polishing
shanking the change
shagging
punishing the purple guy
flinging the phlem
tossing off
makeing the one eyed cobra spit
flipping the jack
jacking off
slapping johnson
masturbate
wank
fVck off
she-bop
jerk off
twisting the knob
rotating the tires
pounding the pavement
salting the dog
getting leverage
break one off
bodda bang
power nap
tora tora tora
well hello mister happy
playing nice

and the hail mary-

Nothing Better To Do

When a male masturbates while thinking of Jack Bauer; the worlds only alpha male
I was caught jacking off by my mother

GO lonoscopy says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

ahahahhahahhahhahhahhahaha

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 11th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

“shining? remind me please”

Heeeere’s Johnny!!!!!

adlib says:

October 11th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

“Some things should neve be changed because they are fine the way they are. Part of baseball IS the human aspect.”

DB, I can relate to your wish to keep baseball as much like Abner Doubleday intended it as possible. Things change much too fast in the USA anyway.

I yield to your and Monty’s opinion that all umpire calls should be final as long as there are no exceptions. Otherwise how can things ever “even out?”

I do maintain however that adding (even untelevised) night baseball made the sport accessible to many more fans than did traditional outdoor afternoon baseball. It was not always so.

O.T. says:

October 12th, 2009 at 5:52 am

The AP reported:

The health insurance industry has been working until recently to help draft legislation, while publicly endorsing President Barack Obama’s goal of affordable coverage for all Americans. The alliance has grown strained as legislation advances toward votes in Congress.

Late Sunday, the industry trade group America’s Health Insurance Plans sent its member companies a new accounting firm study that projects the legislation would add $1,700 a year to the cost of family coverage in 2013, when most of the major provisions in the bill would be in effect.

Premiums for a single person would go up by $600 more than would be the case without the legislation, the PricewaterhouseCoopers analysis concluded in the study commissioned by the insurance group.

“Several major provisions in the current legislative proposal will cause health care costs to increase far faster and higher than they would under the current system,” Karen Ignagni, the top industry lobbyist in Washington, wrote in a memo to insurance company CEOs.

The study projected that in 2019, family premiums could be $4,000 higher and individual premiums could be $1,500 higher.

Downtown Dan says:

October 12th, 2009 at 8:04 am

“Several major provisions in the current legislative proposal will cause health care costs to increase far faster and higher than they would under the current system,” Karen Ignagni, the top industry lobbyist in Washington, wrote in a memo to insurance company CEOs.

The insurance lobbyist continued, “If we’re actually forced to end our practice of rescission AND cover pre-existing conditions, and still maintain our billion dollar profits, it’s going to be expensive. Just where do the American people think they are, anywhere else in the civilized world?”

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 8:39 am

“DB, I can relate to your wish to keep baseball as much like Abner Doubleday intended it as possible.”

Abner Doubleday didn’t invent baseball. Thats a commonly held misconception.

“I do maintain however that adding (even untelevised) night baseball made the sport accessible to many more fans than did traditional outdoor afternoon baseball. It was not always so.”

That is a change that doesnt require rule or equipment changes to the game.

But lets REALLY make baseball better. Lets have an offense and a defense like in football. We could do this with 9 DHs and 9 defenders. We could have unlimited substitutions. We could have metal bats and robotic umps. Lets just go all the way so that the game is more enjoyable to the fat american public and the people who dont know what the hell they’re talking about but need something to chat about in the elevator to alleviate the awkward silence.

No offense Adlib.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Deacon wrote:

“Lets just go all the way so that the game is more enjoyable to the fat american public and the people who dont know what the hell they’re talking about but need something to chat about in the elevator to alleviate the awkward silence.”

And, Deacon, in what respects do you not fit the above profile? Are you smarter? Better looking?

There is an arrogance to your post which is not really all that attractive. A sort of, I am so much better than all the rest of you rubes.

If baseball was an art form, then you could be haughty critic who dislikes everything; but baseball is a business posing as a national pastime.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

“And, Deacon, in what respects do you not fit the above profile? Are you smarter? Better looking?”

Yep, yep. Oh and I also know what Im talking about.

“There is an arrogance to your post which is not really all that attractive. A sort of, I am so much better than all the rest of you rubes.”

Not better, more enlightened.

“If baseball was an art form, then you could be haughty critic who dislikes everything”

Im a baseball snob. Guilty as charged.

“but baseball is a business posing as a national pastime.”

Yep and the players union is destroying it and needs to be busted. I hope the players get locked out until a salary cap is put in place.

Downtown Dan says:

October 12th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Yep and the players union is destroying it and needs to be busted. I hope the players get locked out until a salary cap is put in place.

How about revenue sharing? Doesn’t the ability of some teams to outspend by 10x what most of the rest of the league spends on salaries do as much damage?

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Wow, O.T. has found the gospel on health care from the same people who helped the tobacco industry lie for years that there was no relationship between smoking and cancer.

Why is this no surprise?

From today’s WASHINGTON POST by columnist Ezra Klein:

The Insurance Industry’s Deceptive Report

“In the hallowed tradition of the tobacco and energy industries, the health insurance industry has commissioned a report (pdf) projecting doom and despair for those who seek to reform its business practices. The report was farmed out to the consultancy PricewaterhouseCoopers, which has something of a history with this sort of thing: In the early-’90s, the tobacco industry commissioned PWC to estimate the economic devastation that would result from a tax on tobacco. The report was later analyzed by the Arthur Andersen Economic Consulting group, which concluded that “the cumulative effect of PW’s methods … is to produce patently unreliable results.” It’s perhaps no surprise that the patently unreliable results were all in the tobacco industry’s favor. He who pays the piper names the tune, and all that.

All that makes it a bit hard to respond to this analysis. Seriously engaging with its methodology probably gives it more credit than it deserves, making this seem like an argument between two opposing sides as opposed to a predictable industry hit job. But totally ignoring its claims means some of them might live unchallenged. So rather than a full tour through the “analysis,” here are a couple of its more representative moments.

A footnote — how come the good stuff is always in the footnotes? — on page E-2 of the report sort of gives away the game. It reads: “Impact assumes payment of tax on high- value plans, full cost-shifting of cuts to public programs, and full passthrough of new industry taxes.” That’s written to obscure, but what it means is that the report assumes no behavioral changes in response to new policies.

To illustrate how this works, let’s go back to another PWC favorite: tobacco taxes. Imagine Congress slaps a $10 tax on each cigarette purchased in the continental United States. The impact is obvious: People will virtually cease purchasing cigarettes, or the trade will move onto the black market. But a PWC report that “assumes payment of tax” would assume that cigarette purchasing remains unchanged, and smokers fork over $30 bazillion (approximately) in taxes. This would mark the beginning of a heretofore unknown phenomenon: nicotine bankruptcy.

At least, it would in the world of PWC’s report. But it wouldn’t do so in the real world. So too with these assumptions. Economists think that the tax on high-cost health-care plans will lead employers and consumers to demand cheaper plans that do more to control costs. In fact, PWC expects that, too. They just don’t build it into their estimate. On Page 6, they say, “Although we expect employers to respond to the tax by restructuring their benefits to avoid it, we demonstrate the impact assuming it is employed.” That’s a bit like saying although I expect to eat doughnuts this morning, I will instruct my scale to act as if I had abstained.

Or take the assumption of “full cost-shifting of cuts to public programs.” What that means, essentially, is that health-care spending is considered a constant, and every dollar that a public program cuts from its payments to hospitals is a dollar the private health-care industry has to add to its reimbursements to hospitals. Have you ever heard of that before, in any industry? If Blockbuster decides to cut costs to consumers by negotiating lower payments to movie studios, does Netflix send out a sorrowful e-mail explaining that it will have to increase its membership fee because it now needs to make higher payments to movie studios?

Another interesting bit comes on Page 2, which identifies “new minimum benefit requirements that may require people to buy coverage that is more expensive than options to which they currently have access” as one of the “root causes” of coming premium increases. In the footnote, the report complains that the Senate Finance plan requires a minimum 65 percent actuarial value (that is to say, 65 percent of what an individual is expected to need), while the Massachusetts plan only requires a 56 percent actuarial value. Other states have no minimum value. Insurers will also be forced to cover preexisting conditions, have an out-of-pocket limit, and end rescissions.

It’s true, as the report says, that buying better insurance will cost somewhat more than buying insurance that doesn’t cover anything. The vast majority of the people affected by this will be using subsidies, of course, but put that aside for a moment. This is part of the point of health-care reform: Insurers will no longer have the freedom to offer products that let an individual think his family his protected when the policy will do nothing of the sort. That may raise prices, in much the way that antibiotics cost more than herbal supplements, but it raises prices because it reduces the insurance industry’s ability to sell a deceptive and insufficient product.

But if the PWC’s report doesn’t offer much in the way of trustworthy policy analysis, it is an interesting looking at the changing politics of the issue. In short, the insurance industry is getting scared. After many months of quiet constructiveness, they’re launching a broadside on the week of the Senate Finance Committee’s vote. The White House, which had a pleasant meeting with the industry’s leadership last week, was shocked by the report, and so too was the Senate Finance Committee. The era of cooperation seems to be over, and they weren’t given much advance warning. But the report might have another impact, too: The evident anger and fear of the insurance industry might do a bit to reassure liberals that this plan is worth supporting, after all.”

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

“How about revenue sharing?”

There is revenue sharing already, but not nearly enough to offset the salaries. If there was a cap it would make all the diference.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Deacon wrote:

“Yep and the players union is destroying it and needs to be busted. I hope the players get locked out until a salary cap is put in place.”

I have heard this rap, generally by free enterprizers who disdain interference with markets anywhere else, who always think that the solution is use markets except in the labor category. The courage of their convictions regarding markets never applies to the labor pool.

Why do we not create a salary cap for bankers at 10% above the minimum wage? Heck, given the mess the banking industry has dropped on America, that is still more than there are worth. Right?

The players certainly can be greedy and childish at times; but, how many trillions of dollars has this cost the American economy?

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Do you want to discuss this or are you just trying to get into a blog grudge match? If you’re actually interested in discussing the problems in professional baseball Im willing. If you want to take cheap shot’s Im also willing. Just pick which way you want to go.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

“The courage of their convictions regarding markets never applies to the labor pool.”

You need to put a cap in place to stop teams like NY and BOS from throwing the competative balance off.

I have no problem with unions and collective barganing in order to insure fair treatment. I do have a problem when unions get too much power and end up contributing to the destruction of their own industry.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

“Why do we not create a salary cap for bankers at 10% above the minimum wage? Heck, given the mess the banking industry has dropped on America, that is still more than there are worth. Right?”

Sounds fine. It doesnt really matter since most arent paid hourly.

I find it ironic that a lawyer feels comfortable taking cheap shots at another person’s profession.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

Rally Against Amnesty for Illegals Nov. 14!

http://www.againstamnesty.com/

dare2sayit.com says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

Daring to Question Al Gore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf-fzVH6v_U&feature=player_embedded

This guy was on Glenn Beck’s show today (with KTLK’s Chris Baker filling in). Sounds like the soci@lists don’t tolerate opposing viewpoints, just like the commies!

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Deacon wrote:

“If you’re actually interested in discussing the problems in professional baseball Im willing. If you want to take cheap shot’s Im also willing. Just pick which way you want to go.”

I find your comment refreshing. I am quite willing to discuss the problems with baseball in a serious manner (just like I am willing to discuss just about any subject as long as it is done seriously). You will have to forgive me though in engaging in the earlier banter because that is generally what has been going on here.

So, please do tell me. Why should I be for a salary cap when this carves out a major exception to normal rules of the marketplace? How is this fair to the players, owners and most importantly, the fans of what is suppose to be America’s past time?

Greg 63 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Fascist Liar D2 is unpatriotic and a closet homosexual and fantacizes about beastiality while pretending to be an elitist while dressing as a female wearing clothes he stole from good will and explaining to others how he likes to insert gerbils into his anus and making the illegal aliens he stores in his basement help him while reciting from the koran and ingesting hallucinogens and ignoring the antipsychotic medications assigned to him by his doctor and demanded by the government (which explains his hatred of the government)while snuggling with his trophy wife RuPaul who he is convinced is a woman but is such a large liar that he even lies to himself that he is really a she and really doesn’t want to snuggle because she/he recognizes the total hypocrisy of his/her husband while watching him try to avoid his own extremism at any length to include providing misinformation in order to avoid his inevitable institutionalization since he wants to be a cheerleader for Rush Limbaugh’s St. Louis Rams but will want cheap health insurance but when the doctors screw up will not be able to get any compensation because he doesn’t think there are mistakes made in the medical field and doctors never make bad mistakes while blaming all the nations ills on anyone who is not white like he is but refuses to accept the fact that he’s a racist and a moron who would rather use his ‘friends’ than be accountable while pretending to be a valid marksman while shooting at an enormous pile of wood and hitting it … someplace and then burns the wood with the lead in it creating a toxic smoke which may drift into his neighbors homes whom he expects should always help him out because he’s a conservative and figures that just because he ate the lead paint (along with glue) when he was young that it couldn’t hurt anyone else since it’s only fumes and it never hurt him (except for those pesky docs who keep trying to get him institutionalized) and claiming that anyone to the left of his fascist ideology is liberal and not knowing the true extent of mercury based products disposal and their outcome but just thinks he does because he got an email while telling people to take medications that he is supposed to take so it might look like he’s taking them but he’s not making him a threat to the general public because he’s nutz and tries to prove that others are out to destroy the country by labeling others as dangerous just as hitler had done to convince people to exterminate other people while showing his ignorance of other persons by his racism which he tries to hide but can’t just like his understanding of the climate which is limited to what happens in his backyard.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

“Why should I be for a salary cap when this carves out a major exception to normal rules of the marketplace?”

First of all, the marketplace has labor contracts in many forms and in many places. This isn’t new. From time to time as they expire they are re written to better reflect the changes in the marketplace and to insure the long term survival of the business. Saying we need a salary cap isn’t new and isn’t some crazy out of the box statement that’s anti union on its face.

“How is this fair to the players, owners and most importantly, the fans of what is supposed to be America’s past time?”

It’s fair to the players because they are extremely well compensated and make a very large share of the revenue already. In the case of the Twins its 52% of overall revenue. How many other industries spend 52% on labor? I’m talking about setting a salary cap at say $80 million. That’s $25 million over what the Twins currently pay. Buts its 1/3 of the Yankees payroll. There is a reason the Yankees make the playoffs virtually every single year. Teams like NY and BOS need to be brought in line. They are cherry picking the best players and make it virtually impossible for other teams to compete. For the majority of teams a salary cap would be above what they already pay in salary. It’s really meant to make the large market teams heal.

The competitive balance of baseball is off. It is weighted to large markets. The Cubs, Yankees, Dodgers, Boston etc will always be winners and KC, Milwaukee, Toronto will always be losers. Of course you’ll have the sparky little can do teams like the Twins pop up to make it look competitive. But it’s not a sustainable model long term. Every year it gets worse and worse. Over time if nothing changes you’ll end up with towns were fans quite going to the ball park because they know they have no realistic chance. After a short period of time that will hurt the Yankees too.

It doesn’t make sense to allow teams like the Yankees to stockpile talent with unlimited resources because it’s a top heavy model that will eventually fail. A competitive balance is what will keep the game going.

So it’s fair to the owners because it protects their investment, for the players because they make a huge share of revenue and the fans because it insures they have a chance to watch a winning team.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

Thank you for your response Deacon. It was helpful and informative. And, of course, now for some questions and nitpicks. First, I am aware of how labor contracts work and how various industries use them to not only control costs; but to also shape their business. However, successful versions of such agreements are arrived at through a fair collective bargaining process. The history of baseball and many American industries has been that management has been very hostile to the formation of unions or any organization that permits workers to form a unified bargaining group to negotiate fairly with management. So, forgive me if I am a bit skeptical about how good the owners and management are to all their employees.

Secondly, you make a big deal of the fact that baseball, as an industry, spends 52% of overall revenue on salaries. It seems to me that fans go to baseball parks to see players play the sport they love at the highest level possible. We could dress up a few college players in Twins uniforms; but you know that is not the game fans want to see.

Owners have operated Major League Baseball as personal fiefs since the beginning of the game. This is why the gold standard clubs like the Yankees, the Red Socks, and the Dodgers have developed as they have. It seems to me that more than just a quick fix regarding a salary cap is required in order to bring more equality to the game and to ultimately save the game. In this process, I see the players as the key as they are what fans want to see; not the owners sitting in their luxury boxes.

How can you get a salary cap which also forces owners to be more responsible towards the stewardship of the game? I am not saying that I have the answer to this. I just know that this is equally as important as a salary cap to the future of Major League Baseball as we know it.

And, yes, I do love the elegance and the grace of baseball when it is played on the highest levels. I think I very much share that viewpoint with you.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

“So, forgive me if I am a bit skeptical about how good the owners and management are to all their employees.”

I think you need to look at the deal the players have had dating back a few years. No salary cap, no drug testing. The strongest union with the best deal in pro sports is the Players Union in baseball.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

“However, successful versions of such agreements are arrived at through a fair collective bargaining process.”

The players today got their deal this way.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

“How can you get a salary cap which also forces owners to be more responsible towards the stewardship of the game? I am not saying that I have the answer to this. I just know that this is equally as important as a salary cap to the future of Major League Baseball as we know it.”

Here’s a start. Drug testing and bans for players who break the rules. Only in the past two years did they start testing. The owners didnt force that issue until it became obvious the fans demanded it and the legacy of the game was tarnished as a result of the players union’s refussal to submit on the grounds of privacy.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

“It seems to me that more than just a quick fix regarding a salary cap is required in order to bring more equality to the game and to ultimately save the game. In this process, I see the players as the key as they are what fans want to see; not the owners sitting in their luxury boxes.”

Like what? How about a better revenue deal, a salary cap, mandatory drug testing and lifetime bans for players caught cheating?

להקיא says:

October 12th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

…just like I am willing to discuss just about any subject as long as it is done seriously.

If I were to guess, True Blue, you have an adult baby fetish.

Serious during the day, diaper and bonnet at night.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

להקיא wrote:

“If I were to guess, True Blue, you have an adult baby fetish.

Serious during the day, diaper and bonnet at night.”

I do not; but I can understand how someone who suffers from such an affliction might project it on to others. I trust you are seeking professional help?

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

Deacon:

Let us take this one topic at a time as I do want to discuss an effective collective bargaining agreement for baseball and what that requires.

But, for now, let us talk about drug testing. Why is drug testing required in order to play the game of baseball? I thought the caliber of what a baseball player is is determined by the player’s actions on the field. Other than simple voyerism and the desire to control another; why include drug testing at all?

The standard morals clause (ie. if it gets into the papers; you are in trouble)could suffice.

These new personal lifestyle requirements would have done in giants like Babe Ruth (a very mean drunk) and Ty Cobb (another very mean drunk). What is the point of all this?

Greg 63 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

“If I were to guess, True Blue, you have an adult baby fetish.”

Do you think that if someone is fascinated by female breasts they have that too?

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 12th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

“Do you think that if someone is fascinated by female breasts they have that too?”

Only if you use them for nutritional purposes.

monty says:

October 12th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

” I thought the caliber of what a baseball player is is determined by the player’s actions on the field”

Unless that players performance is enhanced by drugs, you have a point. Unfortunately, with such large sums of money involved, some players feel the need to suppliment god-given talent with synthetic boosters, to the detriment of the game. Note that this has nothing to do with mean drunks.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

I see the drug ban for baseball players as a public health issue. There are a lot of young athletes who would willingly do dangerous amounts of steroids if they thought that was the only way they could have a shot at being pro ball players. Many of them may wind up with long term helath consequences and never even get into the major leagues. We should foster the notion in aspiring athletes that performance enhancing drugs are not the path to success as a pro athlete.

But I don’t care if they’re junkies and boozers. That’s their prerogative. We should mind our own beeswax when it comes to that stuff. Everyone knows being drunk or high on coke won’t make you a better hitter.

Hey, Deac, who was the pitcher who died last year who once pitched a no-hitter while on LSD? I forget his name.
I doubt a bunch of relief pitchers dropped acid right after his unlikely feat, thinking they could reproduce the result.

adlib says:

October 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

“Abner Doubleday didn’t invent baseball. Thats a commonly held misconception.”

Not what I said, although a hall of fame was built upon the site of that misconception. What did any 19th century baseball enthusiast intend? It’s true Alexander Cartwright would be a better example of rulemaker but who invented the game, for all anyone knows, was some rounder named Jiminy Crickett.

Re. night baseball: “That is a change that doesnt require rule or equipment changes to the game.”

Are you sure that line umpires didn’t see more clearly during day games than in the era of night baseball? Under some conditions squinting at the foul pole next to the klieg lights and making the right call could be problematic. An example of something lost for something gained. (But then I’m not sure every 19th century ball field even had foul poles.)

“But lets REALLY make baseball better. Lets have an offense and a defense like in football. We could do this with 9 DHs and 9 defenders.”

Sounds like the NY Yankees to me, but in their case 8 of these DH’s play iron man baseball…both offense and defense.

“We could have unlimited substitutions. We could have metal bats and robotic umps. Lets just go all the way so that the game is more enjoyable to the fat american public and the people who dont know what the hell they’re talking about but need something to chat about in the elevator to alleviate the awkward silence.”

That’s a pretty extreme strawman you’re depicting…from the other extreme.

With elevator conversations brevity is the soul of wit. I hate riding an extra few floors just to finish one. Certainly not much time to discuss which way a guy swings, but I don’t find them awkward.

Bathroom conversations on the other and…”great minds run in the same channels?”…”or this is a great place to meet alot of regular guys?” Not recommended. Awkward.

“No offense Adlib.”

None taken and none intended in reply.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

“Are you sure that line umpires didn’t see more clearly during day games than in the era of night baseball? Under some conditions squinting at the foul pole next to the klieg lights and making the right call could be problematic”

Good God. They called the Metrodome a ball park for 28 years. We’re way past all that.

adlib says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

“Serious during the day, diaper and bonnet at night.”

Serious during the day, dapper and bonnie at night.

Fixed it.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

“Why is drug testing required in order to play the game of baseball?”

Its not.

“I thought the caliber of what a baseball player is is determined by the player’s actions on the field.”

Performance enhancers are carried onto the field and effect the game.

What you obviously dont understand, is that one of the great things about baseball is the comparison of eras and players throughout time.

The other thing to conisder is the dangers to a players health. Do you know much about steroids?

“Other than simple voyerism and the desire to control another; why include drug testing at all?”

Because the integrity of the game is important to fans who care about it.

“These new personal lifestyle requirements would have done in giants like Babe Ruth (a very mean drunk) and Ty Cobb (another very mean drunk). What is the point of all this?”

This isnt a lifestyle requirement. Its about protecting the history of the game. Cheat on your wife, drink, whatever. I dont need nice people on the team I chear for. But, keep the competiton on the field on the level.

True, you’re either trying to piss me off, or you don’t really care about the game and it’s “grace” as you claim to.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

“Hey, Deac, who was the pitcher who died last year who once pitched a no-hitter while on LSD?”

The Bill Lee the ‘spaceman’ from Boston? He’s still alive. Or do you mean Mark ‘The Bird’ Fydrich from Det? He’s dead but I dont think he ever pitched on LSD. That was Bill Lee. Fydrich was a loon though, but all natural.

adlib says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

“Good God. They called the Metrodome a ball park for 28 years. We’re way past all that.”

when the Twins had ALC championship teams they never lost a World Series game at the Metrodome. On the other hand they never one a World Series game on the road either. That park has truly seen better days.

Look forward to coming Octobers watching playoff games in the new stadium. I’m sure tickets will be readily available.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

“None taken and none intended in reply.”

I like you Adlib, you’re alright.

Deacon Blues says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

“when the Twins had ALC championship teams they never lost a World Series game at the Metrodome. On the other hand they never one a World Series game on the road either.”

Not even in ’65

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Deacon wrote:

“True, you’re either trying to piss me off, or you don’t really care about the game and it’s “grace” as you claim to.”

I do not think so. What I am trying to do is raise the question of privacy when it comes to players. I think that we as a society say alot about ourselves when we set what the standards are when it comes to privacy.

I suppose the basic question is that if you want to play baseball on the professional level; are you entitled to any privacy at all? Some fans will want to know everything about a professional player. Isn’t there some expectation that someone can play baseball and have a private life?

Why aren’t owners and League officials subject to the same scrutiny?

Secondly, what substances should be a player be subjected to testing for?

These are issues which really do affect the quality of life of a baseball player and ought to be a subject for collective bargaining.

Is marijuana the same as steroids?

Do you agree?

adlib says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

won/one

“Performance enhancers are carried onto the field and effect the game.”

What was Twin’s Cabrera on? Just adrenalin? He couldn’t contain himself.
A lot of displacement activity.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

“Not even in ‘65″

I think it’s the ghosts of the Griffith’s and Pohlads. Getting every last nickel of revenue.

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER says:

October 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

Is marijuana the same as steroids?

One cheats the player, the other, the game.

adlib says:

October 12th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

“These new personal lifestyle requirements would have done in giants like Babe Ruth (a very mean drunk) and Ty Cobb (another very mean drunk). What is the point of all this?”

You can’t bowl much higher than 300, so the only true test of bowling greatness might be which 300 game was bowled with the highest BAC. That would surely make the Guinness book of World Records, but it would also cause all us Dads to hang our heads in shame for allowing such a contest to lead our youth astray.

adlib says:

October 12th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

“Is marijuana the same as steroids?”

On MPR’s “Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me” there was a bluff the listener game where the contestant chooses which of three improbable stories is true. The true story this week was of was a Colorado newspaper advertising for a marijuana connoiseur and critic to join the staff.

Denver’s an airline hub so the rates round trip are often quite competitive.

GO lonoscopy says:

October 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

“I do not; but I can understand how someone who suffers from such an affliction might project it on to others. I trust you are seeking professional help?”

Holy Cow! hOLy cOw! Is it……no it can’t be……..stewie is that you? stewie griffin?

Who does Trueblew zero-number one-number one (pissed himself twice?) sound like?

GO lonoscopy says:

October 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

Trueblew zero-pissed himself twice,
is stewie on the Family Guy!!!!!

GO lonoscopy says:

October 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

and that’s not a bad thing…….

GO lonoscopy says:

October 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

and that’s not a bad thing…….

GO lonoscopy says:

October 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

1) Trueblew zero-number one-number one (pissed himself twice?)

2) Trueblew zero-pissed himself, pissed himself

3) Trueblew zero-pissed himself twice,

4) Trueblew zero-pissed himself, pissed himself (what? Again?)

5) Trueblew zero-pissed himself twice,

6) Trueblew nada-pp

O.T. says:

October 13th, 2009 at 12:01 am

TrueBlue011 says:

October 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

Wow, O.T. has found the gospel on health care from the same people who helped the tobacco industry lie for years that there was no relationship between smoking and cancer.

who? the AP?

I wonder if the washington Post noted that the Baucus Bill CBO report used 10 years of tax revenue compared to 7 years of actual use for their report. Do I even need to go read to see, no I doubt it.

This vote tomorrow is the bigget joke in political history.

If you went to the car dealership tomorrow and the salesman said that you could not the type of car or how much the car costs but you had to to yes or no to buying it right now- would you do it? That is exactly what they are voting on otmorrow. There isn’t even a written bill or a cost analysis but they are going to vote on it.

i hope everyone who votes yes on this has a up to date resume for next year.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 4:50 am

“i hope everyone who votes yes on this has a up to date resume for next year.”

The democrat soci@list party is more than happy to lose a few of their members in Washington if they are successful in getting their radical leftist agenda’s passed. I think they are actually out do destroy our economy on purpose so government can take over EVERYTHING!.

monty says:

October 13th, 2009 at 6:11 am

“I think they are actually out do destroy our economy on purpose so government can take over EVERYTHING!”

If so, they doing a poor job of it, d2. The market has recovered more than 50% since O took office. You’re not gonna destroy the economy that way.
The way to do it was the way things were run when W was in office-borrow and spend just to borrow and spend. Who knew W was a radical leftist?

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 7:10 am

The democrat soci…..

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……..

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 8:26 am

“Isn’t there some expectation that someone can play baseball and have a private life?”

Of course. But steroids are a controlled substance. These players are using them to gain an unfair advantage. What they are doing is illegal.

“These are issues which really do affect the quality of life of a baseball player and ought to be a subject for collective bargaining.”

Do you know what steroids do to a players body? Any idea?

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 8:27 am

“Why aren’t owners and League officials subject to the same scrutiny?”

When George Steinbrener puts on 50 pounds of smack and turns into the incredible Hulk like Bonds did, you be sure to let me know True.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 8:34 am

“Do you agree”

I think that when an employees drug use effects his job, the employer has a right to know.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:00 am

“The market has recovered more than 50% since O took office.”

Which market would that be?

להקיא says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:01 am

I do not; but I can understand how someone who suffers from such an affliction might project it on to others. I trust you are seeking professional help?

Cmon now, we all know what it really means to vote for “a change”.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:10 am

If you’re talking about the three major indexes, the DOW, NASDAQ and S & P, they are up 12, 35 and 18% respectively year to date. Of course Obama took office at the end of January, but you get my point.

O.T. says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:11 am

Monty, who knew that cutting all those workers and closing up dead end businesses would have had such a positive effect on the economy? Excellent observation- let me be like everyone else here and demand a link that shows such a thing?

O.T. says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:13 am

here is an interesting take on the subject:

Let’s see. A Big 4 independent public accounting firm vs. the Democratic Party’s go-to economics guy. Who has more presumptive credibility?

It’s more than a little offensive to see the people whose party gave us entitlement programs with multitrillion-dollar unfunded liabilities (Social Security and Medicare), pension plans that are completely unsustainable (the federal government and many states), and year-over-year budget increases that almost always dwarf inflation — in other words, people with absolutely no record of financial credibility on matters big and small — go after Big 4 accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers and its “industry-funded” study on what would happen to insurance premiums under the BaucusCare iteration of ObamaCare with the eager assistance of their media apparatchiks.

Understand this: When PwC prepares a report for the health insurance industry projecting, in the Wall Street Journal’s words, that “the Senate Finance Committee’s big health-care bill would raise health insurance premiums by thousands of dollars a year,” one can be confident that it is based on exhaustively researched and thoroughly reviewed work.

Greg 63 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:26 am

“Understand this: When PwC prepares a report for the health insurance industry projecting, in the Wall Street Journal’s words, that “the Senate Finance Committee’s big health-care bill would raise health insurance premiums by thousands of dollars a year,” one can be confident that it is based on exhaustively researched and thoroughly reviewed work. ”

You can? What was the objective of PWC’s audit?

There are variables. How are the variable rates determined?

Have you ever worked in the auditting industry? or maybe the actuary function?

I’m not defending either side, just looking at all the info and stating that it’s based upon alot of variables which are unpredictable.

To me, you’d need to remove the variables which means setting mandates in order to achieve a more accurate accounting. But don’t ask me how you’d do that.

O.T. says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:46 am

Greg- I agree but the Baucus bill also included many variables, the CBO scoring also included many variables and massive amounts of blank pages to be filled later and was based on the idiocy of ten years revenue and seven years of costs.

monty says:

October 13th, 2009 at 9:57 am

“If you’re talking about the three major indexes, the DOW, NASDAQ and S & P, they are up 12, 35 and 18% respectively year to date.”

I stand corrected. The Dow, Nasdaq and S&P are up 20%, 33% and 25% respectively comparing today and 1/20/09. Not bad, but certainly not 50%. However, it still is no way to run a railroad if your goal is to trainwreck the economy. Oh, and here’s your link, OT:

http://www.marketwatch.com/

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 13th, 2009 at 10:17 am

To answer a question from a while back, I think the LSD pitcher was Doc Ellis. It may have been coke, not LSD. But in the words of Spinal Tap, “that’s nit-picking, isn’t it”.

Sorry OT but you don’t get any points with referencing a “A Big 4 independent public accounting firm” since the Enron days.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 10:24 am

“Bernie Madoff reportedly came to blows with another inmate after a heated discussion of the stock market, according to prisoners at his jail in Butner, North Carolina. Shanks were not involved, but fellow inmates tell the Post that the septuagenarian Bernie held up well in response to being attacked, and apparently emerged the victor!”

Bernie aint goin’ out as no punk!!

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/10/bernie_madoff_shows_fellow_inm.html

monty says:

October 13th, 2009 at 11:01 am

Finally, an area tha I feel has not been given enough attention in the aftermath of last year’s financial markets meltdown is being addressed: the Wall Street credit-rating firms, their business practices and inter-related business arrangements with the very firms they are supposed to be rating.

“the SEC concluded that the conduct of these credit-rating firms was a “principal underlying cause” of the financial crisis.”

And our own Sen Klobuchar is co-sponsoring a bill to deal with this situation:

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/63892747.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:U0ckkD:aEyKUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 11:11 am

The fraud was in lying about income, putting people in inappropriate programs and the rating of the securities.

Greg 63 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 11:25 am

“Greg- I agree but the Baucus bill also included many variables, the CBO scoring also included many variables and massive amounts of blank pages to be filled later and was based on the idiocy of ten years revenue and seven years of costs. ”

See, nobody is doing this right. We need to have something done and there needs to be a way to include everyhone, but we need to do it smart. This is a function that could help our economy whether people want to accept that or not. When a family is spending close to 20% of it’s monthly income on health insurance .. well .. that’s just wrong.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 13th, 2009 at 11:33 am

“I think the LSD pitcher was Doc Ellis. It may have been coke, not LSD. ”

Ding ding, that’s right. Doc Ellis. Thanks Earsall.

From the account I read, it was probably both coke AND acid. But it would be the acid that would still be messing with you hours after leaving a party. Evidently the hardest part for Ellis was catching the ball when the pitcher threw it back to him. Motor memeory probably took care of getting the ball over the plate.
Boy that stadium crowd noise woulda been pretty crazy through a psychedelic filter. woo-hoo!

O.T. says:

October 13th, 2009 at 11:48 am

Greg- I would wager that it probably comes out close to middle of what the dems and the price waterhouse audit is.

in my biz, i always say there are three truths. what i saw, what the person saw, and what really happened.

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

Understand this: When PwC prepares a report for…

My accountant used to tell a joke about an accounting firm looking to hire. The interviewer asked each applicant what was one plus one. After several applicants answered “Two” they came upon the winning candidate, who answered, “What do you want it to be?”

dubble_a_ron says:

October 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Just read the Supreme Court is going to hear Jeffrey Skilling’s appeal.

I’d feel better about this if a possible outcome was the Justices ordering their bailiff to put a cap in Skilling’s head then and there.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

Deacon:

When I read your posts about what needs to be fixed in baseball, it is all about how the players must accept salary caps, must open their lives to ingtrusive inspection and continue to do nothing about owners’ greed and missmanagement.

Just what do you think the responsibility of owners is in all of this?

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

“Just what do you think the responsibility of owners is in all of this?”

I guess you missed the revenue sharing part. And greed? The players get the lions share of the revenue.

How about you give me your prescription for what ails MLB.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

To be honest, I really do not know what the solution to baseball’s problems are. Which is why I ask questions of anyone who seems to have such a prescription.

I do love the game and I am somewhat familiar with the history of how Major League Baseball developed in our country. But, when I read the history of the game and the relationship between the ownership, players and the fans; the owners do not come across as all that positive as figures.

Why don’t you think the players deserve about half of the revenue from the game (if I remember your earlier stats corretly)?

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

O.T. sure is a persistant fellow. He sort of reminds me of a lawyer in trial that I watched a part of who was engaged in a battle of experts in a jury trial. The poor fellow’s expert witnesses were barely qualitifed and the report they produced was shredded under cross examination and testimony by the other parties’ experts. But still, in closing, the poor fellow came back to the same report.

Later, I asked the fellow, why did you do that? Why return to something that has been thoroughly debunked?

His response was, “it was all I had.”

Same thing with O.T.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

By the way, whats the mismanagement other than the inability to control rampant steroid abuse?

Earsall Mackbee says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

True, I think there’s a number of fields that mandate the intrusion of drug testing (i.e. truck drivers) so I’m not offended when there’s a logical basis for the intrusion.

I also think it’s interesting to compare and contrast the way the 4 major sports are run. True, the balance in the NBA is so skewed that it’s a “players league”. The players have the majority of control, the league has always marketed players as opposed to teams and it’s probably the worst run sport of them all.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

“But, when I read the history of the game and the relationship between the ownership, players and the fans; the owners do not come across as all that positive as figures.”

Historically. You need to brush up on the players position in the game today. You’re obviously not too familiar. Labor isnt getting fvcked by management ALL the time True.

“Why don’t you think the players deserve about half of the revenue from the game (if I remember your earlier stats corretly)?”

Did I say that? You’ve got a real nasty habit of putting words in peoples mouth to fit your biased view of the world. I said they are treated fairly. Especially when you consider many teams opperate at a lose.

They deserve what they get. Im trying to tell you there needs to be a cap to keep teams like NYY and BOS from ruining the balance and you’re here chaneling Jimmy Hoffa.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

“By the way, whats the mismanagement other than the inability to control rampant steroid abuse?”

You honestly think that management put alot of pressure on players to do and take what is necessary in order play competitively.

What I read in the Mitchell report seems to indicate a persistant pattern where management not only condoned; but actually put pressure on players to do what it takes to play at the most competitive levels.

You do not think this is a fair reading? You think that management was shocked, shocked, I tells you to find out that drug use was rampant in baseball to enhance performance?

Heck, it was (and still may be) rampant on the high school level.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

“You’ve got a real nasty habit of putting words in peoples mouth to fit your biased view of the world.”

Wow! That is rich coming from you. You regularily twist stuff out of all proportion and have no toleration of criticisim.

Such a prima donna.

You do not want a discussion; you want a Socratic dialogue where a humble student sits at your feet and only mutters what a wise and brilliant fellow you are…

You never seem to attempt to understand the other guy’s point of view. Every disagreement has to become personal. Hey maybe the other fellow is just honestly wrong…

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

“You do not think this is a fair reading? You think that management was shocked, shocked, I tells you to find out that drug use was rampant in baseball to enhance performance?”

They looked the other way and didnt do anything about it. Hence why I mentioend it as their fault. But the real carrot here to use drugs is the incredible amount of money to be made and the almost complete lack of consequence.

The teams and the owners should fined too if a player gets caught.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

The Senate Finance Committee just passed (14 – 9) a health reform bill out of the committe. Sen. Olympia Snow (R-Maine) voted for the bill.

So much for the folks who were confidently predicting that nothing would happen

Health care reform will happen this year.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

“You never seem to attempt to understand the other guy’s point of view. Every disagreement has to become personal. Hey maybe the other fellow is just honestly wrong…”

Yeah right True. You live to come on here and be a d:ckhead. You know and I know it.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

“The teams and the owners should fined too if a player gets caught.”

I agree. There ought to be rule and if you break them; there should be consequences.

I think most players would like to know that they are not going to get some homily from the coach on no drug use; but go into the training room where the coaches and trainers are constantly telling everyone that you have to do what you have to do in order to help the team.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

“Yeah right True. You live to come on here and be a d:ckhead. You know and I know it.”

No, that is your mantra. You have repeated over and over again that you post here as a matter of entertainment. You do not care how you treat others or whether your attempts at humor are even appropriate.

I try to avoid being a “d:ckhead.” You revel in it and seem to enjoy it.

But, nice try. Strike three and you are out.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

“Such a prima donna.”

I love me some me.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

“You do not care how you treat others or whether your attempts at humor are even appropriate”

Appropriate? Where do you think you are?

“But, nice try. Strike three and you are out.”

Wow, really got me there True.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

If I had to propose a solution for baseball in the current era, it would be that the way that current revenues are divided in the League needs to be changed. In order to insure competitiveness between the teams, why not put all baseball revenue in one big pot. Divide it by the number of teams, and give every team its proportional share of the money.

Since baseball requires someone to play, why not provide all teams the resources to do so on a competitive level?

Otherwise it is a Harlem Globetrotters situation where the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers are the Globetrotters and everyone else is the Wahington Generals.

The owners position is that the big teams would never allow that; so, the only solution is to control costs by capping salaries.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

“Health care reform will happen this year.”

Watch the expectations for what that means fall like a stone.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

“The owners position is that the big teams would never allow that; so, the only solution is to control costs by capping salaries.”

I think I said that.

dubble_a_ron says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

“Health care reform will happen this year.”

Unless the bill they pass doesn’t take efffect until 2012 or something.

But they’d never do that, would they?

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

“I think I said that.”

I think you did too; but that is the owner’s position. It is a self fullfilling prophecy in that if you accept it; then, no real meaningful reform can take place unless ONLY the players give.

It is an interesting process where one party can exercise sole veto power regardless what the other parties want or require.

Since an owner’s lockout of the players seems to be a serious option; why not consider letting Major League Baseball, as an organization, die. Let’s see how valuable their franchises are if there is no League left.

Why not create a new professional baseball organization with the players exercising some ownership perogatives or even promoting the idea of franchise ownership by cities and states (much like we see with the Greenbay Packers).

It is time to begin to think outside the box if ownership refuses to really address the issue of competitiveness in baseball.

TrueBlue011 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

“Unless the bill they pass doesn’t take efffect until 2012 or something.

But they’d never do that, would they?”

And, just what do you mean by this?

Are you aware of the amount of time that passed when Medicare was enacted and actual effective date was?

Or, the fact that Harry S. Truman, then retired, was the first American enrolled in Medicare?

monty says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

“Health care reform will happen this year.”

Perhaps. It remains to be seen if this “reform” will actually reform anything(think Medicare D). The proof will be in whatever ends up on Os desk.

Deacon Blues says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

“It is an interesting process where one party can exercise sole veto power regardless what the other parties want or require.”

The players can strike. They’ve done it before.

“It is a self fullfilling prophecy in that if you accept it; then, no real meaningful reform can take place unless ONLY the players give.”

Sure if thats how you see it. But I guess you dont understand that the owners of the most successful teams are totally against a salary cap.

Greg 63 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

I wonder if D2 will be blocked in the new political blog ….

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

“Health care reform will happen this year.”

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/10/13/tomo/

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

I wonder if D2 will be blocked in the new political blog ….

People should be outraged.

להקיא says:

October 13th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/10/13/tomo

I followed the link and what came up was this headline…..

The surprise Spanx make-outIt was hot. It was heavy. There was just one problem: I was wearing control-top undergarments

Sh1t Dan, we all knew about D2 but you?

להקיא says:

October 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

I wonder if D2 will be blocked in the new political blog …

Actually, I just checked it out, and it uses the same ID that’s used for the rest of the site.

D2 was banned there a while back for calling Barney Frank the Liberal Banking Queen.

He’ll have to register under a new name. How will we know it’s him?

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

I followed the link and what came up was this headline…..

I just double checked and I didn’t see anything like that. Maybe the pop-ups recognize visitor’s cookies and present the appropriate ad to them?

להקיא says:

October 13th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

I just double checked and I didn’t see anything like that. Maybe the pop-ups recognize visitor’s cookies and present the appropriate ad to them?

Impossible, I toss my cookies nightly.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

“D2 was banned there a while back for calling Barney Frank the Liberal Banking Queen.”

Yep, I’m banned on the new blog. Looks like I’ll stick with Katherine’s blog until they get rid of her.

At least the new blog will be banning conservative thought and will once again be dominated by lib’s like DFL Dora, Comrade Partisan, Dick, and their ilk.

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

New blog?

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

“New blog?”

That what BQ calls it.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Today, President Barack Obama has just received the Heisman Trophy.

Apparently he watched a College football game on Saturday.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

Eric Roper,

Can you pull a few strings an get me un-banned? I really think being banned for calling Barney Frank the “Banking Queen”
was pretty harsh. That saying came from one of Rush Limbaugh’s parody songs. Liberals on the Strib blogs have said FAR more offensive things about Michele Bachmann and nothing happens to them.

Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could help with this matter since not all of us will be welcome at your new blog.

Thanks Eric!

להקיא says:

October 13th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

D2, just sign up for a new account under a different e-mail address.

If you don’t have another e-mail, you can sign one up for one at Yahoo.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

“D2, just sign up for a new account under a different e-mail address.”

I think they’ve banned my IP address Vomit. Thanks for the advice though.

Downtown Dan says:

October 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

“Apparently he watched a College football game on Saturday.”

::cricket::

::cricket::

tap_tap_tap… Is this thing on? Tough crowd.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

“D2, just sign up for a new account under a different e-mail address.”

Thanks Vomit. First I’ll see if either Eric Roper or Rob von Sternberg can get me reinstated. I really wasn’t treated fairly by the Strib when they banned me for life, and they should give me another shot at meeting their “standards”.

Greg 63 says:

October 13th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

I think they’ve banned my IP address Vomit.

Change it.

dare2sayit.com says:

October 13th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

I’ll give it a shot Vomit, but hopefully people will just switch over to Katherine’s blog:

h**p://kerstenblog.startribune.com/kerstenblog/

O.T. says:

October 13th, 2009 at 11:36 pm

trueblewadude- yep, youre right. the pw audit is the only one out there saying this will raise prices and lower services, you betcha. I found it laughable that the dems did not show any evidence against anything in the report, just said it was bs and the media lapped it up and asked for more. dispute something , then if you prove it, you can call it bs.

If you have to use the star trib tag for this new blog, I am out. Stupidly, I had used my name for that, and while I do not care about making a comment on a story, I cannot put my name out there that much. My name is already out there too much as it is in the press and I cannot even remotely jeopardize my position, and my family. So goodbye to all, except parthian. F YOU, parthian.

Downtown Dan says:

October 14th, 2009 at 7:57 am

found it laughable that the dems did not show any evidence against anything in the report,

That’s because you didn’t look any further than Faux news. Even PW started backpedaling from their own report stating that they left our significant details and scenarios.

You really need to get out more.

O.T. says:

October 14th, 2009 at 9:11 am

oh, I almost forgot you too, dan. F you. I can tell that your news table is a very diverse bunch. a bunch of lib sites and the msm.

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