Bachmann 48, Wetterling 47 and more for horserace fans
October 31st, 2006 – 10:23 AM by Eric BlackIn case you missed it in last night’s discussion thread, alert reader Steve B. mentioned a couple of horserace items of interest. (Thanks Steve.)
Constituent Dynamics, which uses robo-dialing, has updated their snapshot of the Bachmann-Wetterling race. Based on interviews Oct. 24-26, with a margin for error of plus/minus three percent, they show it:
Republican Michele Bachmann: 48.
Democrat Patty Wetterling: 47.
That’s an improvement for Bachmann over the previous Constituent Dynamics poll, in early October, that showed it Wetterling 49; Bachmann 45.
Constituent Dynamics also showed the race in the Minnesota First District this way:
Republican Gil Gutknecht: 50
Democrat Tim Walz: 47.
That’s a slight improvement for Gutknecht over the early October poll, which showed it 48-47 for Gutknecht.
All of the Constituent Dynamics polls are viewable here.
Meanwhile, the Cook Political Report has upgraded Walz’s chances in their latest ranking of the competitiveness of House races (dated Oct. 30).
Cook has moved the race to the toss-up category from “leans Republicans.”
Cook’s overall national rankings look bleaker than ever for Republicans:
“THERE IS NO EBB IN THE WAVE: With the election just eight days away, there are no signs that this wave is abating. Barring a dramatic event, we are looking at the prospect of GOP losses in the House of at least 20 to 35 seats, possibly more, and at least four in the Senate, with five or six most likely.”
If you’re keeping score at home (as the sportscasters say) the Dem’s need a net gain of 15 in the House to take control. In the Senate, the Dems need six. If they get five, the body would be 50-50 with Vice President Cheney holding the tie-breaking vote when necessary.
Lastly (and yes, Steve B. brought all of this to my attention) a new Zogby internet poll for the Wall Street Journal has the Minnesota Guv’s race as:
Democrat Mike Hatch: 46.1
Republican Tim Pawlenty: 44.7,
and it has the Minnesota Senate race as:
Democrat Amy Klobuchar 50.5.
Republican Mark Kennedy: 42.8.
As far as I can tell, none of the polls mentioned in this post included the Independence Party candidates.
82 Responses to "Bachmann 48, Wetterling 47 and more for horserace fans"
Maybe I merely restate the obvious, but its coming down to turnout. Are the Republican voters motivated enough to show up? It seems safe to say that DFL voters are very motivated; likely core Repubs are going to vote as well. But neither party can win without convincing the moderates. 1) are they gonna show up and 2) if they do, for whom will they vote?
you read the msm too much.
NRCC attack ads are apearently working with the idiot demographic. Patty Wetterling is “too extreme for Minnesota”?
What is the NDCC response? To leave Patty hanging out to dry. She outraised Michele, why is it we see more Bachmann ads? Because she is getting a flood of money from the national party to keep the seat and the national Democratic party is too focused on other things. If Bachmann wins, the NDCC has no one to blame but themselves for getting their asses kicked in the ad wars.
More on the Children’s hospital-Mpls vicinity shooting
This from the Precinct 3, SAFE zone 2 email list. (If you live in Minneapolis, you can look up your precinct and SAFE zone and get on the update mailing list here)
On Sunday, 10-29-2006, at approximately 1pm, officers responded to a shooting at Children’s Hospital, 2525 Chicago Ave. S. Officers arrived and located a shooting victim just outside the front entrance door to the emergency room. The victim, a 16 year old male, was shot once in the upper stomach area. Victim was
transported to HCMC where he is expected to survive the gunshot wound. Victim was less than cooperative. He did not provide officers with any suspect information or description.
Officers located the shooting scene in the 2500 block of Elliot Ave. S. which is on the Minneapolis Children’s Hospital property. The shooting scene was on the street between the main hospital building to the west and the parking ramp to the East. Witnesses, Children’s Hospital employees, observed the shooting and relayed to police that they had observed the victim walking with another male and heard gun shots. The suspect was then observed picking up a gun which was on the ground and walked away. The shooting suspect was initially described as a black male, 6’0â€Â, medium build, wearing a black jacket and dark pants armed with a small silver handgun. He may have had corn row braids in his hair.
Investigators responded and are working on the case. It appears that the incident was not captured on video. A K-9 attempted a track from the shooting scene with negative results.
The 16 year old victim is known to police from previous contacts including two previous arrests for illegal possession of a handgun.
Investigators are looking at all circumstances to include the possibility that this could have been an accidental discharge
OK, so two thugs are walking down the street and one of them accidently shoots himself in the stomach? If the other guy shot him, why would the gun be on the ground? Maybe he was carrying his gun in his pants and is lucky he didn’t shoot his nads off.
In any event, this paints the picture a bit better than “16 year old boy shot near Minneapolis Children’s hospital.”
Democrat Amy Klobuchar 50.5.
Republican Mark Kennedy: 42.8.
now, i am not a mathmagician or anything but this has a 6.7% undecided rate and a 3-5% margin of error probably- so who knows what will happen here.
Did I miss something did John Binkowski drop out of the race?
Some pollsters still ignore the IP candidates.
Ramrod,
What doesn’t make sense to me is that someone was shot in front of a hospital, then taken to a different hospital. I realize that one was Children’s, but it still seems a bit bizzare.
We’re getting our local pollsters better trained to include IP candidates in polls, but the national pollsters seem to always exclude them.
Let’s shock them and see a good turnout of voters who are ready to “Vote their Independence!â€Â
I wonder how the Tammy Lee race is going in the 5th District! There is a lot of buzz about people planning to bolt both the DFL and GOP and vote for Tammy Lee. While lit dropping in Richfield, people were very aware of Tammy Lee, liked her and did not like the alternative candidates. The level of awareness seemed extraordinarily high. While campaigning for Tammy Lee at the Vikings game last night, I heard from a lot of people who said they were voting for her. Let’s hope voters are ready to support the best candidate in Tammy Lee, rather than the one supported by the political machine.
And I believe Tammy Lee has said she will caucus with the Dems. Her announcement may have had something to do with it. Maybe that’s why 3rd party candidates aren’t taken more seriously, they end up caucusing with one of the others anyway.
And I suppose you have to caucus with one of the major parties once elected … at this point. If, in the future, we can succeed in electing more people not beholden and controlled by the major parties, they would then be able to caucus on their own. But that is some time in the future. Nevertheless, it is still important to take the first steps with this election. Without the first step, you never get started and never reach where you need to go.
Rod says “you read the msm too much.”
If you’re going to rip on someone’s news sources, the least you can do is offer some suggestions for good alternatives.
Penergrast, Zaestch and Eva Young, some of the major trolls on this blog comments section, are authors of the blog DumpBachmann. Take anything they say with a grain of salt, as they have a vitriolic obsession with the candidate that borders on restraining order. And, jsut so you know, I have no affiliation with Bachmann or the GOPers whatsoever.
And as far as this Bachmann, evil pope fiasco has gone, the Strib was extremely irresponsible in publishing such toxic sludge.
If Pamel Miller, WCCO’s Pat Kessler or Eric Black had the intellectual honesty they proclaim to have as journalists, they would ask Patty Wetterling about her church’s belief on who goes to heaven. In fact, I dare Kessler and Miller to ask Wetterling specifically about her church and whether or not she subcribes to the church’s belief that the only way to get to heaven is to believe that Jesus Christ is God’s only Chosen Son who is Lord and Savior of all. I’d like to hear Wetterling’s response.
And in case any of you folks think that is an “out-of-bounds” question for a political campaign, then you better ask Miller and Kessler why they check their integrity at the door when it comes to Bachmann.
Just another example of journalists who refuse to acknowledge their thinly-veiled bias against the conservative Bachmann.
Maybe Kessler needs to perform a reality-check on himself.
Ramrod: You did indeed use the term you deny having used (citation below.)
Again, it’s “Guantanamo” for those of us who like to call places by their correct names.
“Team Ramrod says:
October 30th, 2006 at 9:17 am
the first 100 Days of Nancy Pelosi’s America. Day 1: Party like it’s 1992; citizenship for all Gitmo detainees.”
Joe,
I bet her response would be something like this:
“I believe that freedom of religion is a personal right that all people should have protected. I prefer to keep my religion personal, unlike my opponent who uses it for personal politiical gain every chance she gets.”
While you are watching the horse race, Bachmann is pressing the horse flesh with Rep, Goodlatte:
… and this:
” The characteristics of the Antichrist as presented in Scripture have been and are being fulfilled in the institution of the papacy (2 Thessalonians 2:4-10). We reject the opinion that the identification of the papacy with the Antichrist was merely a historical judgment valid only at the time of the Reformation.”
If Bachmann chooses not to agree with her church”s “Statement of Belief” that the Pope is the Antichrist, why can’t she choose not to agree with the WELS Church’s statements regarding creation and evolution? Does Bachmann really believe that the Earth is only 5,000 years old?
This poll has some interesting results. Check out the age breakdowns:
18-44 MB 57% PW 39%
45-64 MB 43% PW 53%
65-74 MB 45% PW 51%
75+ MB 32% PW 61%
It looks like Michele better get the young voters out…
Just curious. Does anyone have any idea how the referrendum on “run-off” voting is going?
YOWSER! More Republicans Exposed! video!!!!!
Joe – The difference is, PW is not bringing her religion into politics. She is not using her religion to earn votes or sway public opinion. She has the right to believe what she wants as long as she doesn’t try to force others to believe it too or use it when forming public policy. Bachmann brought all of this on herself when she injected her religion into her politics!!!!!!!!!!!
Referendum should pass with no trouble. The anti abortion crowd doesn’t live in Minneapolis.
Ryan – you’re point is so true…..and so very, very sad.
Ed E-
I would like to see the numbers on ad buys for national dems and national republicans.
My guess is that it is 2 to 1 in favor of Bachmann.
Well, here’s the deal on Bachmann and the Anti-Christ: she lied. Again. On camera, again.
Now you can “take this with a grain of salt”, as Joe Skillings suggests, but whether you do or not–these are the facts, and the facts are what they are:
Bachmann is a member of Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church. The Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church is a member of the Twin Cities area WELS Churches.
“WELS†is the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.
The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod’s doctrine is that the Roman Catholic Papacy is the Anti-Christ. Here is a quote from their web page (“Statement on the Anti-Christâ€Â):
“We reject the idea that the teaching that the Papacy is the Antichrist rests on a merely human interpretation of history or is an open question…Since Scripture teaches that the Antichrist would be revealed and gives the marks by which the Antichrist is to be recognized (2 Th 2:6,8), and since this prophecy has been clearly fulfilled in the history and development of the Roman Papacy, it is Scripture which reveals that the Papacy is the Antichrist.â€Â
Another quote from the same web page:
“And we make this confession in the confidence of hope. The Antichrist shall not destroy us but shall himself be destroyedâ€â€Ã¢â‚¬Å“Whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming†(2 Th 2:8).†4.
During a televised debate sponsored by WCCO, Bachmann lied. She vehemently denied that this was her church’s position. Here is a transcription:
Pat Kessler of WCCO: We’ll start with Senator Bachmann. Religion and politicsâ€â€that has crept into this campaign over and over again. The Minneapolis-based Star Tribune reports today, Senator, that the church you belong to is affiliated with the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, which, it says, regards the Roman Catholic pope as the Anti-Christ. Is this true, do you share the views of your church, and why should any Catholic in the Sixth District vote for you if it is true?
Bachmann: Well that’s a false statement that was made, and I spoke with my pastor earlier today about that as well, and he was absolutely appalled that someone would put that out. It’s abhorrent, it’s religious bigotry. I love Catholics, I’m a Christian, and my church does not believe that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, that’s absolutely false.”
She introduces sectarian religious politics in the State House over the past six years. She lies in church while witnessing for Christ, and that’s caught on video. Then lies about what her church believes, and that’s broadcast on television. And this is the kind of candidate Christians and conservatives are going to endorse on election day.
There’s none so blind….
Joe Sklings – Who are you to throw stones? Define your leanings and bases. Your point is well taken that Wetterling does not wear her faith on her sleeve nor has she used it as a springboard to get caucus attention, so, hence it is irrelevant.
Check the Bachmann record, and see how/why she ousted GOP long-term state Senator Laidig, and topped Krinkie at caucuses. Read the City Pages articles on Bachmann:
http://www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12984.asp
http://www.citypages.com/databank/27/1348/article14760.asp
Yeah, sure Laidig’s a liberal and City Pages is part of a conspiracy, and Faithful Democrats, are somehow incorrect for saying:
“So let’s get this straight: Bachmann attacks those who read from her church’s website and calls them bigoted for pointing out what the website says. Where’s the bigotry?”
“If Bachmann would step up to the plate and call her church’s doctrines religiously bigoted, we’d applaud her in a heartbeat and move on. But that’s not what she’s doing. She’s just denying a plain fact.”
faithfuldemocrats.com/content/view/429/92/
It’s all one big conspiracy for people to not see eye-to-eye with you about whether it’s proper for Bachmann to chop with her religion as if it’s a sword; and to say poor me, I am wrongly attacked against my Christian shield, when confronted with the notion that her church has clearly anti-Catholic bigoted doctrine, and that her claims of GOD choosing her and focusing like a laser beam on Minnesota’s Sixth Congressional District are fantasy, delusion or contrived to fit her audience. Given how she has paraded her religion as if it were a qualification for office; she is being asked to defend or define it, and I supposed the Catholics concerned about this and asking questions without yet having a Minnesota voter guide out yet also are – coconspirators???
http://www.catholics-united.org/node/33
Bachmann is a piece of work. There now. Say it ain’t so, Joe.
And cite something besides Joe on the nature of this world and the next.
Some Catholic voices are properly concerned about where mischief might lead, and to deny that is to say they’ve nothing to worry about, and it perhaps is better for them to resolve that, rather than Joe, or me.
It’s news. It’s an issue.
Ryan – In one sense it is okay that Rahm Emanuel seems unhappy with Wetterling and that her issues are not 100% his issues so that party spending to support her lags the GOP effort for Bachmann.
Bachmann’s promised a rubberstamp to Bush for all the fundraising visits and even had to have Norm Coleman correct her on “stay the course” no longer being a term in vogue for Iraq.
In contrast, Wetterling owes nobody, given the faint RCCC support, and can be the same true voice for reform and responsibility in DC that she has been for 17 years. She’s not bought and owned by anyone.
And my trust is she will aim exactly that way but not alienate her own party or the more sensible parts of the GOP. She’s not done that in 17 years of effective advocacy.
The only downside would be if GOP mega-spending ends up proving P.T. Barnum correct on election day.
I have more faith in the centrist voters in MN 6 than to see that happening.
Typo, not “RCCC” clearly, “DCCC” in that context.
Sending Michele Bachmann to Congress will give Minnesota our very own Katherine Harris.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/30/AR2006103001311.html
Later in the evening, while talking about her love for Queen Esther, she runs to the passenger seat of her SUV and seizes a Bible.
“I’ll give you one verse,” she says. “On the day that the enemies of the Jews had hoped to overpower them, the opposite occurred, in that the Jews themselves overpowered those who hated them.”
What does that have to do with this race?
“November 7th,” she replies.
Speaking of a horse race Rep. Bob Goodlatte of VA. is in town today stumping for Michele Bachmann. The League of Conservation Voters in its 2006 National Environmental Scorecard rates Goodlatte’s voting record at 0 percent, the lowest possible.
And he supports slaughtering horses:
US Representative Bob Goodlatte (VA), Chair of the House Agriculture Committee is currently blocking HR 857, The American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, the legislation to ban horse slaughter in the U.S. This bill already counts 224 co-sponsors in the House, plus a Senate Companion bill (S. 2352) with 7 other co-sponsors.
Although HR 857 has enough votes to pass the House, Congressman Goodlatte is preventing this legislation from moving forward for a vote, in order to appease the foreign-owned horse slaughter industry and other special interests, many of which are campaign contributors to Mr. Goodlatte.
The Cavel slaughter facility opened in June of 2004, and slaughters up to 100 horses per day.
Bachmann will owe him…….and she wants to be on the agriculture committee. This is just another reason to vote for Patty Wetterling.
I wonder if Michele “loves” Catholics like she “loves” homosexuals. Get ready for her showing her “love to Catholics by introducing an amendment barring Catholics from worshiping.
“This is not about hating homosexuals. I don’t. I love homosexuals.† Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program “Prophetic Views Behind The Newsâ€Â, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-AM, March 20, 2004.
Wanted to include this Michele Bachmann quote so yo can compare:
Bachmann replied, “That’s a false statement. … It’s abhorrent, religious bigotry. I love Catholics, I’m a Christian, and my church does not believe that the pope is the antichrist. That’s absolutely false. … I welcome and have as part of our family many Catholic members as well.”
“This is not about hating homosexuals. I don’t. I love homosexuals.† Senator Michele Bachmann, appearing as guest on radio program “Prophetic Views Behind The Newsâ€Â, hosted by Jan Markell, KKMS 980-AM, March 20, 2004.
“Ryan says:
October 31st, 2006 at 1:05 pm
This poll has some interesting results. Check out the age breakdowns:
18-44 MB 57% PW 39%
45-64 MB 43% PW 53%
65-74 MB 45% PW 51%
75+ MB 32% PW 61%”
When did Minnesota youth become so blind and masochistic?!!!
“kate says:
October 31st, 2006 at 3:49 pm
US Representative Bob Goodlatte (VA), Chair of the House Agriculture Committee is currently blocking HR 857, The American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act, the legislation to ban horse slaughter in the U.S.”
I think we should all be more concerned with human slaughter in Iraq and elsewhere, and punishing those responsible for it. (Then we’ll worry about the horses.)
once again i commend the blog for allowing the metally retarted, like michael blane, to speak his little mind.
Eric Z: I just read your two latest posts. Excellent. Thank you.
Micheal Blaine-
The good news for Patty is that the youth tend to not vote in midterm elections (or any elections for that matter)
Eric from DumpMichelleBachmann blog:
If you really think catholics have to fear Michelle Bachmann, why don’t Jews have to fear all Christian politicians, like Patty Wetterling? And better yet, shouldn’t all non-Muslims fear Keith Ellison?
The point I’m trying to make is that many Lutheran or Baptist sects are not fond of the Catholic Church, but I don’t think that should be applied to Bachmann. If it is, you have to apply it to all politicians who claim to be Christians. Bachmann has never done or said anything on the public level against Catholics. It’s ridiculous to call this news.
I wonder if Michele “loves†Catholics like she “loves†homosexuals. Get ready for her showing her “love to Catholics by introducing an amendment barring Catholics from worshiping. – LDavid
You have to be kidding me. How can you equate preventing two people of the same sex from marrying through legislation with preventing people from worshipping in their own way?
I am not sure about your knowledge of the judicial system or the legislative branch and its authority granted by the Constitution, but no one has a constitutional right to marry who ever they want. Everyone has a constitutional right to worhsip who or what or how they want. It’s pretty simple.
Michelle Bachmann has never proposed legislation to tell people who or how to worship. She has proposed legislation to keep marriage between unrelated people of the opposite sex. Notice the constitutional difference.
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Mr. Skillings: What’s your point?
All she has to do is say, “Yes, I know that’s one of the ‘This We Believe’ items. I simply don’t subscribe to that statement.”
End of story.
Skillings is the reason that people don’t use their real names on blogs. Totally uncalled for. If you think it’s appropriate then post your own contributions.
I have none. If you’re going to denigrate a candidate, you have to divulge your bias. I jsut thought I would let his record spek for itslef
Yeaaah…My wife’s a Democrat… That’s a matter of public record…
So what? Notice that I’ve *never* contributed to the DFL. The one time my name appeared on that list of contributions was the time my wife used my credit card to make an online contribution–without my permission–and I gave her hell about it.
My wife is DFL’r and teaches in a state funded community college. I’m a liberal who’s never been a member of the DFL and never sent them any money–in fact, over the years I used my former newspaper column to lean on the local DFL–many times.
The main reason I support Wetterling in this races is that she’s got the best chance of beating Bachmann. As I’ve pointed out here many times before–if John Binkowski stood the best chance of beating Bachmann, I’d be exposing Bachmann’s lies and craziness and voting for Binkowski. If Phil Krinkie of the GOP–a no new taxes Republican whose policy I despise–was running against Bachmann and stood the best chance of defeating her, I’d be exposing Bachmann’s lies and craziness and voting for Krinkie.
I’m a liberal, but it wouldn’t matter–I’d support any credible, responsible candidate who could beat Bachmann–regardless of party affiliation–because Bachmann isn’t credible, isn’t responsible and has a record of lying and hatemongering.
Don’t confuse my politics with my wife’s, Joe. We’re two different people; she can do what she wants with her own money. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the DFL, and I’ve never given them a cent.
As for denigrating Bachmann, if you look at her record, as I have–you’ll see that she is a candidate who desparately needs to be denigrated. She has been successfully passing herself off as a charming, family-oriented Republican conservative in the tradition of Ronald Reagan. She’s not.
She’s a conspiracy-haunted pseudo-religious extremist who’s also an habitual liar, and that’s a matter of record–even if the papers have failed to report those facts to the voters. It’s not my opinion, it’s a matter of record.
It’s not his record it’s his wife’s. How about your wife or parents or childrens contributions? You and Rove, his wife is “fair game”, eh? What you did is disgusting.
Its almost as bad as going after someones lesbian daughter, or your wifes book written twenty years ago, or making up forged documents and releasing them a couple of weeks before the elections.
Michael Blaine says:
October 31st, 2006 at 12:55 pm
Ramrod: You did indeed use the term you deny having used (citation below.)
Again, it’s Guantanamo for those of us who like to call places by their correct names.
“Team Ramrod says:
October 30th, 2006 at 9:17 am
the first 100 Days of Nancy Pelosi’s America. Day 1: Party like it’s 1992; citizenship for all Gitmo detainees.â€Â
you are indeed right, i did not remember that as it was just a cut and paste joke. i did not write it. i still do not see the need to correct it or the obsession of yours to post the same thing on 2 or 3 threads too, but good job michael- you got me.
Straw man ramrod. What does Bill or his wife have to do with any of it?
This is a new low: Team Ramrod’s not satisfied merely publishing his narrow condemnations, he’s now quoting himself. Lift your head from the reflecting pool, Narcissus.
Almost as low as publishing someone’s wife’s political donations in an attempted character assassination on third rate blog.
Almost.
Funny, we’re supposed to believe that the same forces capable of unearthing this information–and with such detail–were completely blindsided by a pederast in their Congressional leadership.
Skillings has stooped to a record low for this blog. Joe, you are despicable. Maybe we should have someone follow you and then publicly display everything you do in your life. These blogs are meant as an opportunity for people to exchange ideas anonymously unless they want to bring their personal lives into it themselves. What you have done is unacceptable.
I think EB should pull Skilling’s post.
I donated $50 to Wetterling.
Proud of it.
That negates my free speech rights, I suppose. Get real, people.
Less than a week.
Vote Wetterling.
For the undecided voters or general GOP voters but leaning toward Binkowski because of not liking Bachmann, think whether that’s wasting a vote and possibly contributing to the wrong candidate, Michele Bachmann, going to DC.
Finally, Dems look poised nationally to clean the GOP clock. But it is my District I fear for. I do not want the shame of being represented by Michele Bachmann. I do not want to have the district a laughingstock.
Nor do I want it ineffectively represented. The Sixth District has real needs, and if the Dems are taking over the House, it is best to have a representative in the majority on committees.
Moreover, in the State Senate Bachmann’s record is one of ineffectiveness and divisiveness, and having been dumped by her own party from its leadership group – and not going to her committee meetings as diligently as voters have a right to expect.
Michele Bachmann’s six year State Senate career is a total pattern of reasons to send someone else but Bachmann to DC.
I wrote to Eric Black for his comment on what Skillings did.
Here is his reply:
Bill,
thanks for making me aware of that.
while i disapprove of what skillings did, it doesn’t rise to the level
of something i would delete. sorry. cheers, eblack
The way I understand this is: Mr. Black disapproves of it, but he’s willing to let the info remain posted on the Strib’s political blog.
So beware–you see how these guys operate. Skillings posts information publicly about a private individual–a family member who’s never even contributed to this blog, for the purpose of smearing my motives. The people on the Skillings side of the election issue won’t condemn him for doing that; they’re waiting to see if he gets away with it. And according to the paper, what Skillings did is deplorable, but acceptable–the info about my spouse stays up on the Strib website.
So beware. This is the kind of tactic you are subject to–if you get into a political debate with the supporters of “traditional values” candidate Michele Bachmann, your family is now fair game, even if they’ve never written into this blog.
Uh, isn’t the data about campaign contributions publicly available? Sure, its off-topic and irrelevant on this blog, but posting publicly available data hardly rises to the offense of a crime against humanity.
What is more interesting, is what all these conservatives that want out of the UN would replace the UN with? If the answer is ‘nothing’ than on what grounds will they invade the next Iraq? Bush at least claimed there were UN resolutions authorizing his action. Funny, how he doesn’t have much use for them, until he can use them to justify his actions…
bsimon – Yes, campaign contributions are a public record, but a person with scruples would not feel it is proper to cut and paste that information to a blog like this. If he wanted people to know the information, he could have just given a link and then said “go check it out”. That way, anyone who was interested could have done so. Like it or not, it was done in poor taste.
Sure, it was in poor taste. My point is that by addressing the post, you’ve only allowed him to change the subject. If you ignore him, he will go away.
bisimon–well, either he will go away, or he will continue to post personal information about people who’ve never even participated in this discussion to the Star Tribune’s web page–and the Star Tribune will keep it published, keep it up on the blog.
So it’s either of those two possiblities, right? How do you know that he’s going to choose the “just go away” possibility and never do this again, because it’s “in poor taste”?
The data is publicly available, so are a lot of other things, but why drag people’s family members into a political debate. If his point was to expose me as a “member of the DFL” (I’m not), was it really necessary to post my wife’s name, occupation, place of work, etc–ten times to make that false charge?
Couldn’t he have simply made his point by saying “It’s a matter of public record that Bill Prendergast’s wife has given X amount of dollars to DFL causes and candidates.”
Did I, or anyone else, say it was “a crime against humanity?” It’s just creepy and sleazy. I’m sorry you don’t see the issue here–I think you would if it was your family involved.
Bill, it was a mistake for me to comment on the issue.
I think EB is making a mistake in not deleting that post. Saying ‘ignore him and he’ll go away’ is sticking your head in the sand over the kinds of tactics that are routine for the GOP and it’s supporters. That simply is not acceptable and we need to make that clear and not enable those who do it which is what EB is doing.
I agree that EB should delete the post. It doesn’t belong here.
Dora says:
“think EB should pull Skilling’s post.”
I think EB should pull all of this bitches posts.
Dora says:
October 31st, 2006 at 11:05 pm
Straw man ramrod. What does Bill or his wife have to do with any of it?
Absolutely nothing, dora, which was my point in bringing up lynn cheneys twenty year old book, and their lesbian daughter. I wager you didnt have a problem with your dems condemning them though did you?
It’s still a straw man since it had nothing to do with the topic.
But since you bring up Lynn Cheney yet again, give me a break, she was bringing up Webb’s twenty year old book.
oh my god, you are deranged. she was on blitzers program to promote her childrens book. HE was the one who started the hardball questioning. she kicked his butt for it too.
She knew Blitzer was going to ask about politics. “Hardball questioning” as if she’s some political novice. She’s the one who looked “deranged”.
good night lunatic.
tsk, tsk, tsk. name calling. And you’re always johnny on the spot to say how bad name calling is. So what does that make you when you do it yourself.
The DNC Services Corp is a non-federal or “soft money” account of the Democratic National Cmte. Contributions to this committee are not subject to to campaign contribution limits. This money may not be contributed directly to federal candidates. Instead it is used for party building and get out the vote efforts. For more information, see Issue Advocacy and Soft Money in A Bag of Tricks.
Billy contributes to DNC Corps., then realizes bc he’s writing for a newspaper and railing against conservative politicians, he doesn’t want to leave,even an ambiguous trail. Then somehow the contributions stop on Billy’s part, but his wife start contributing to DNC Services Corp. Then she openly starts pouring money into Wetterling and Moveon. Interesting. But of course, a married couple live completely seperate lives, like the Star Tribune newsroom and its editorial board.
For the record. Im not on Bachmann’s campaign, and I’ve never given a red cent to the GOP. Paranoia is all around the fascists at dumpbachmann.blogspot.com.
You have to realize that if you stick your neck out as THE official unofficial anti-Bachmann crusade that feeds anti-Bachmann riffs to the the media, you have to be put into perspective. I simply did that. I put you into prespective for anyone that every reads this blog and then reads yours. You have no objectivity in your comments on Bachmann. In fact, you even got fired by your former paper because of your calculated and utter bias against Bachmann.
You are not objective. You are simply a character assassin. And I am simply bringing it to the attention of the trolls on this blog.
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