Open thread on Pres. Bush’s State of the Union Address

January 23rd, 2007 – 8:50 PM by Eric Black

What have you heard that surprised, impressed, disappointed you?

108 Responses to "Open thread on Pres. Bush’s State of the Union Address"

kmacmurdo says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 9:32 pm

his deep concern for future generations. we are already in dept up to our throats-precisely when did this become a concern from him? health insurance and gold plated plans who in the hell is he talking about? daddy and his health insurance that allows him to throw himself out of planes at the age of 80? I’ll just go shoot myslef now!!! By the way, you handled yourself with that moron Hugh Hewitt.

Kevin from Minneapolis says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 10:08 pm

I like his speech. It was very positive and confident. I have a feeling the Democrats response will be quite different.

BTW – Did anyone else notice Michele Bachmann and Keith Ellison on the receiving line during his entrance?

Kevin from Minneapolis says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 10:26 pm

And if Jim Webb wants me to take him and his party seriously when it comes to fighting terror, he needs to explain to me why Nancy Pelosi and many other members of his party refused to stand and applaud when the president spoke of attaining victory.

If he wants us to take them seriously on domestic issues, he needs to drop the class warfare, or – to quote his party of only a few months ago – stop the politics of division.

Jay says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 pm

Kevin: “Politics of division” are what keeps both major political parties in power. They will both scream “Fire!” and then duck out of the glare of the spotlight only to pour gas on it. It is the fault of the voters for falling for the same crap time and time again.

Charley says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 pm

It seems amazing to me that Bush continues to talk about “victory” in Iraq. While it is certainly true that he can fire the military leaders that he disagrees with, it is not possible for him to alter the tragic foregone conclusion to his war of choice.

How could a few thousand more troops change things much? Sadr City alone numbers a couple of million folks, which is roughly the same size as Minneapolis. Could 20,000 soldiers pacify Minneapolis, if we didn’t want them here? The greater likelihood is that Bush is sending in 20,000 more targets.

It amazes me that Congress is still dithering about how to stop this rogue president. The constitution provides for impeachment for such a contengency. The constitution gives Congress the power to cut off funding. Even the clarification of the 1973 War Powers Resolution (http://www.policyalmanac.org/world/archive/war_powers_resolution.shtml) clarifies that the president may not escalate without formal Congressional approval or a specific declaration of war.

If George W Bush still thinks we can “win” this war, it is high time for Congress to take the reins. The country, and particularly the volunteers in our military, have sacrificed enough for his delusions.

Jay says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 pm

Charley: “The country, and particularly the volunteers in our military, have sacrificed enough for his delusions.”

I hate to disappoint you, but this is not the draft-era Vietnam. Many (if not most) of these brave volunteers are signing on with complete knowledge and agreement with said “delusions.” If you disagree with the war, just say so. Don’t drag the military into it. In my experience, they support the action. There are no doubt some exceptions that joined for the benefits, in the hope that they would never be called on to actually serve in a forward area.

michaelblaine says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 pm

And, I suppose the Strib will cover this address like it should be taken at face value, instead of deconstructing the fraud in the Oval Office.

michaelblaine says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 11:16 pm

Wow!

The adult brat in the White House is a pathetic and incorrigible fearmonger.

The State of the American Union?: “Boo! There’s a terrorist under your bed! Only I can protect you! Run!!”

As for earmarks reform, how convenient that now that Democrats are in the majority and Republicanists have sucked on the teats of the government cow until it’s bone dry, that this becomes a priority.

Our country has been set back a generation under this Loser-in-Chief.

Rich says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 11:17 pm

I thought I was watching the State of the Union until I realized I was on the wrong channel and was watching a Frontline expose about America’s addiction to meth.

John says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 pm

I didn’t notice Elison, but how could you miss Bachmann. What an embarrassment. I thought the secret service was going to have to intervene. I would be generous to say that she was like a high school kid cheering on the winning coach. She literally wouldn’t let go of him until she gave him a kiss. Michelle, autographs are for my boys to get from Joe Mauer, not for you to get in a Presidential Receiving Line. HAVE SOME DIGNITY!!!

Jay says:

January 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 pm

John, perhaps you didn’t notice Ellison because he was in some back room meeting with the latest group of airline passangers who has been profiled or hastled……I’m a middle-class, fat, white, guy with a mullet; so apparently my hastles at the airport are much less derserving of national attention and/or political intervention.

At any rate…..you are right about Bachmann. What a psycho.

Jay says:

January 24th, 2007 at 12:00 am

My good friend Michael Blaine states: “As for earmarks reform, how convenient that now that Democrats are in the majority and Republicanists have sucked on the teats of the government cow until it’s bone dry, that this becomes a priority.”

Tragic that you view this as a partisan topic. Obviously, whichever party happens/happened to be in power prior to such a reform, would/will have “sucked the teat dry.” This is not a Republican or Democrat issue; but simply a hole in the dike that needs to be plugged. Of course the party formerly in control (whatever party it may have been) took advantage. Time to put an end to it, regardless.

Coming from a dairy background, I take offense to you using that analogy. But as anyone who also comes from a similar background would readily tell you…..the cow is only “dry” for a relatively short period before she is plump with milk again. Maybe do a little better research into you analogies next time to make a bigger impact!

Kasper says:

January 24th, 2007 at 2:02 am

John

You are right. Bachmann was an embarrasement! She doesn’t realize what her first duty is…represent her constituents! She acts more like a cheerleader for the president than a representative of the 6th district.

Robert Grant says:

January 24th, 2007 at 9:21 am

Yes, Bachmann. I prefer the smug look on Ms. Clinton’s face. That always assures me that she is willing to take a fair and balanced approach to real problems…as long as she agrees. Ted Kennedy is a real class act too. Anything else you people care to whine about today? Was there anything you liked? Maybe we could talk fashion.

KimJake says:

January 24th, 2007 at 10:33 am

I was appalled at Bachmann’s behavior last night. She acted like a groupie at a Donny Osmond concert. Is this what the Sixth Congressional District expected to get when they voted her in? What a rube! She obviously needs to get out more.

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 10:55 am

Kevin said: “And if Jim Webb wants me to take him and his party seriously when it comes to fighting terror, he needs to explain to me why Nancy Pelosi and many other members of his party refused to stand and applaud when the president spoke of attaining victory.”

Right Kevin, b/c we all know that if you don’t stand and applaud what the president says you must hate America.

Norm says:

January 24th, 2007 at 10:59 am

Bill and Monica then. George and Michelle now?

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:05 am

“What have you heard that surprised, impressed, disappointed you?”

I had a whole lot of ‘none of the above.’ I suppose all the time spent addressing Iraq was a surprise, because I figured he’d avoid the subject. As far as the details go though, he didn’t say anything new on Iraq. Come to think of it I was rather surprised that he dragged out 9/11 imagery again – 5 1/2 years after the fact – as it seems to me to be more of a reminder of the failure to make progress in the war on terror than anything else.

I thought the domestic initiatives were uninspired. I thought he said, at one point, that a balanced budget was mandatory, then 2 sentences later talked about achieving ‘no deficit’ in 5 years. I thought those were the same thing?

Come to think of it, I didn’t catch him asking for making tax cuts permanent; there are still some cuts due to expire, yes? Its a surprise that he didn’t ask for that; unless I missed it when my wife was talking.

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:10 am

Regarding Keith & Michele, there was a comment on the PBS broadcast about how attending a first SOTU is typically a big deal for freshmen Congresscritters, thus explaining the proximity of all the frosh in the receiving line. I’m no fan of Rep Bachmann, but can forgive her excitement at being in proximity of not only the President, but a President whom she admires a great deal.

John says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:49 am

Bachmann’s Fawning -
Did anyone see Michelle’s groping of Bush? She must have had her hand on him for over a minute as he left the chambers. What is that all about?

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

The NYT’s noticed:

“As President Bush walked down the center aisle to exit the chamber, cameras were able to pick up little bits of his exchanges with the lawmakers who crowded around, asking him to sign their programs. Representative Michelle Bachmann, a new Republican member from Minnesota, maintained a death grip on the president’s shoulder, even while he turned away to talk to others, until he posed for a picture with her.”

How sweet, she got a kiss too.

FlyZoso says:

January 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pm

Not only did she act inappropriate by using her own version of a Winter Carnival Vulcan greeting with the President on his exit, she also was shrieking and jumping up and down as he walked in and mawled him upon his entrance. Michelle Bachman you are a representative for MN’s 6th Congression District not the Forest Lake High School cheer squad.

I am sure she was excited but have some composure.

Lisa says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

Bush’s speech – much less bombastic than usual. Interesting how the GOP is all for bipartisian ship now.

Bachmann – mauling the President is not classy. She looks to provide a couple of years of cringe-worthy behavior.

Kim says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pm

Michele Bachmann, what a spectacle she made of herself! Pawing at Bush like that and hanging on until she got a kiss! I’m sure the people from her district are so proud of her.

Brian G says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

Hey handshakes, hand on shoulder on the way in…Big handshake on the way out. This was none other than Dennis (the M.) Kusinich!
One of the most ardent Bush haters in Congess. If he can give Bush a pat on the back I guess Michelle is entitled to give him a kiss in her first SOTU!
You people are unbelieveable.

Kevin from Minneapolis says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:25 pm

“Right Kevin, b/c we all know that if you don’t stand and applaud what the president says you must hate America.”

Dora – When the president says we must achieve victory and you don’t stand and applaud…what am I supposed to think? Applause is the traditional show of agreement, they refused. If that doesn’t mean they don’t support victory, then please elaborate on what it does mean.

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:29 pm

Oh come now, you know they don’t support Bush’s plan.

SeanH says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

“When the president says we must achieve victory and you don’t stand and applaud…what am I supposed to think? Applause is the traditional show of agreement, they refused. If that doesn’t mean they don’t support victory, then please elaborate on what it does mean.”

Something along the lines of “We are tired of your empty rhetoric, meaningless sound bites and pandering to base fears and are done putting on a smiley face when you spout your BS”

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pm

Kevin from mpls writes:
“If that doesn’t mean they don’t support victory, then please elaborate on what it does mean.”

I’d have to see a clip of the moment to which you refer. I recall Speaker Pelosi & the other Dems leaping to their feet on multiple occasions, for supporting the troops, winning the GWOT, balancing the budget & for many other applause lines.

Wendy Armitage says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pm

Michelle Bachman – EEEWWWW! The only thing more embarassing would be if I lived in the 6th District and had voted for her. Michelle – you represent the people of Minnesota – it’s time to take your position seriously. It’s an honor and a privilege to be elected to Congress – start acting like it.

Dawn says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

I thought the presidents speech was AWESOME as always…. Keep up the good work Sir!!!!!
You do a great job of speaking and telling it like it is, but many can not take that, and they are always looking for SOMEONE to blame….COWARDS!!!!!
Instead of trying to help make things better, just sit around and lay blame.
That will make progress for our situation!!!

ZS says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

He keeps pushing Islam away…why does America have to force our ideals down the throats of those who don’t want it? He has just broken all hopes we have of repairing ties with Islam.

Good Job!

Disco says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pm

Possibly even MORE disturbing than Bachmann’s behaviour is Star Tribune columnist C.J. calling Bush “sexy.”

WTF is that??

Dawn says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:44 pm

Great Job Mr. President!!!!!

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

Can the tunnel vision hatred by the left be more obvious than when they attack a US Representative for her kissing the president? Don’t you have anything more substantial to offer to the debate on Iraq right after a State of the Union address?

Lisa says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pm

“That will make progress for our situation!!!”

What, exactly, is our situation? Stuck in a country that didn’t attack us – can’t leave because it’ll made the mess, can’t stay because just our being there makes it worse. The situation is entirely of Junior’s making.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Lisa,
“The situation is entirely of Junior’s making.” and what about the majority of democratic reps that voted for the war?

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

Conservo Tom writes
“what about the majority of democratic reps that voted for the war?”

They have learned from their mistakes and are trying to bring our troops home. Well, with the exception of Joe Lieberman. A lot of Republicans who voted for the war, while not yet proposing full troop ‘redeployments’ are also not backing the President’s ‘surge’ plan, including our own Senator Norm Coleman.

John says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

I think a discussion about the maturity of our elected leaders is relevent discussion. Rep. Bachmann is charged with the responsibility of sending our citizens off to war. For her to be more concerned about a mouth kiss from the President and camping out for her seat location to is highly concerning to me. For the record conservo Tom this topic was what you chose to talk about as well.

FlyZoso says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:01 pm

Conservo Tom it is a question of professionalism, I am a Republican (even though that should not matter) and I expect someone to act the role of a member of Congress not someone in the crowd of a teen band concert.

She didn’t just give him a kiss she mawled him and acted very inappropriate.

And as far as the address goes don’t try to suggest people are undermining the importance. To be honest there were no real surprises with the address overall and as far as Iraq goes he didn’t really say anything different than he has been saying for the last month.

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

FlyZoso writes “To be honest there were no real surprises with the address overall and as far as Iraq goes he didn’t really say anything different than he has been saying for the last month.”

Sortof. I thought I heard the same talking points he’s been using for 5 1/2 years.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

bsimon, then you must not agree with Lisa when she said, “The situation is entirely of Junior’s making.”

Unfortunately, too many people on the left are like Lisa and have a very distorted view of how we entered the war.

There have been several prominent democrats who urged the president to increase the troop presence in the past, my take is they knew it would never happen with Rumsfeld in office. Now they not held accountable for those words… I wonder why not?

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:09 pm

John,

You wrote, “think a discussion about the maturity of our elected leaders is relevent discussion. Rep. Bachmann is charged with the responsibility of sending our citizens off to war. For her to be more concerned about a mouth kiss from the President and camping out for her seat location to is highly concerning to me. For the record conservo Tom this topic was what you chose to talk about as well.”

I discussing your attacks on Bachman, not the “kiss”. The kissing Congresswoman is sending our citizens off to war… oh my.

Bob says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:14 pm

What I really love is that the fact that there is a push by this administration to spend billions on “alternative fuels”, so the oil&car companies can designe a Hydrogen fuel cell in like 50 years, when we have a Zero Emission option available right now, i.e., Electric cars or plug-in hybrid cars. The plug-in’s get about 150MPG and can use gas or electricity. I don’t understand how anyone other than the Hard Right (or religious right) can listen to our president and believe he is genuine in what he speaks about. Who can help me out here?

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:16 pm

FlyZoso,

I did not say people discussing the kiss were “undermining” the importance of the address. I’m saying the virulent hatred of Bush and the likes of Bachman is plainly showing when it is the chosen topic by so many after an address on the war.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:18 pm

Bob,

I’m with you there. Pandering to the left by a republican never works. It’s transparently disingenuous and will backfire.

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

Conservo Tom says: “There have been several prominent democrats who urged the president to increase the troop presence in the past, my take is they knew it would never happen with Rumsfeld in office”

Other than Leiberman, who exactly and how recently?

Lynda says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:19 pm

Bush’s speech wasn’t exactly earth shattering. Nothing much new there, especially in regards to Iraq just more of the same thing that hasn’t been working. I suppose we really shouldn’t expect much of a lame duck that long ago spent whatever “political capital” he had.

And Michelle Bachmann – what was she thinking? Is she a grown woman or a 13-year old? How about some professionalism?

John says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:22 pm

Conservo Tom It’s not just the wacked out lefties who are troubled by the behavior of Congressman Bachmann. Postings here are coming from conservatives as well. If it makes you feel any better I didn’t think Hillary looked so hot either. Does that make you feel better and give this leftie credibility?

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pm

Conservo Tom writes “then you must not agree with Lisa when she said, “The situation is entirely of Junior’s making.”

There have been several prominent democrats who urged the president to increase the troop presence in the past, my take is they knew it would never happen with Rumsfeld in office. Now they not held accountable for those words… I wonder why not?”

Tom, I agree with Lisa that Bush bears the responsibility for the debacle in Iraq. I agree with the call for more troops. I suspect that 20,000 are not nearly enough to do the job. Neither the American people nor the Bush administration are interested in producing the number of troops it would take to definitively win in Iraq.

I’m in that admittedly small group of people who think that we were wrong to go into Iraq, but now that we’re there we have to figure out how to solve the problem without making it worse. I suspect the ‘new’ plan from the Bush admin will not do so.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:25 pm

Dora,

Biden and Kerry June 05

“Sen. John Kerry, Bush’s Democratic opponent in last year’s presidential election, told NBC’s “Today” show that the borders of Iraq “are porous” and said “we don’t have enough troops” there.

Sen. Joseph Biden Jr., appearing on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” disputed Bush’s notion that sufficient troops are in place.

“I’m going to send him the phone numbers of the very generals and flag officers that I met on Memorial Day when I was in Iraq,” the Delaware Democrat said. “There’s not enough force on the ground now to mount a real counterinsurgency.”

Biden argued, “The course that we are on now is not a course of success. He (Bush) has to get more folks involved. He has to stand up that army more quickly.” ”

There are many more. Ever hear of Google?

John says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:28 pm

Conservo Tom How does this make your President look. I mean, wasn’t he saying that troop levels were fine at the time and now we need more.

Gex says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:28 pm

From a purely political standpoint, this seems like a bad move on her part. More and more people aren’t liking the war, are doubting his honesty, and feel he has no real plan. If this continues, he will likely have historically low approval ratings. And this clip will be on every single campaign ad by her opponents when it comes time for her to run again.

Personally, I thought it somewhat immature — reinforcing my impression that we are governed by children.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:30 pm

John, not good! He’s admitting to a mistake as far as I’m concerned. I think he followed Rumsfeld’s advice until recently.

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

Sure, use it all the time. You make the claim, you show the work.

Troops on the border isn’t the same as what he’s planning now. Conditions are quite different now than in June 05. Perhaps if he listened to them almost 18 months ago we wouldn’t be in this mess today.

John says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pm

These were all popsted by Conservo. He sure seems to have a angry streak in my opinion

Can the tunnel vision hatred by the left be more obvious than when they attack a US Representative for her kissing the president?

Unfortunately, too many people on the left are like Lisa and have a very distorted view of how we entered the war.

I’m saying the virulent hatred

Pandering to the left by a republican never works. It’s transparently disingenuous and will backfire.

The kissing Congresswoman is sending our citizens off to war… oh my.]

There are many more. Ever hear of Google?

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:37 pm

Dora,

Oh, so conditions have changed? I’d be willing to bet you didn’t even know there were democrats criticizing the president for not having enough troops at one time until my post.

Yeah, conditions have changed; the president wants more troops now. That’s the reason the dems don’t want it anymore.

There is nothing constructive the dems have to offer… period.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:40 pm

Yeah, the hypocrisy on the left does anger me. I do hope I don’t offend anyone here. I’m glad there are outlets like this for me. Whew, that felt better.

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Sure I did but none of them recently which is why I asked you to post when. It was obvious from Shinseki’s statement of how many were needed and the Bush administrations treatment of him that they didn’t know what they were doing and refused to listen to those who did. Yeah, the president wants more troops now which is way too late. He can’t get it right…period.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

Dora, what should the president do right now?

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

Oh and Tom, you keep forgetting that it’s not just Democrats that are criticizing Bush’s plan.

John says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

The first step to personal freedom is to not be possessed by something. In your case tom that would be your anger. Let it go…it will consume you. I think we need to be honest and realistic and say that the hypocrisy is out in force on both sides. Don’t you agree Tom???

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

Follow all of the recommendatins of the ISG.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

Dora, still waiting for your answer.

John, yeah, you’re right. Forums like this do help. I’m biased, of course, but my hypocrisy detector is off the charts for the left.

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

Tom says “There is nothing constructive the dems have to offer… period.”

That’s one way of looking at it. But, then again, every time the Dems offer input, the Bush administration either ignores them or calls them unpatriotic, or claims their comments aren’t supporting the troops or are undermining the war. Maybe democrats have learned that they can’t say anything that won’t be criticized? Shoot, even the Iraq Survey Group – a bipartisan group commissioned by the President – was criticized for their suggestions. Maybe the problem is the Bush administration, not the growing ranks of Americans that think Bush has fouled up Iraq.

Dora says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pm

Oh well, sorry if I’m not fast enough for you Tom. You’re impatient as well as angry I see. And please, there’s no hyprocrisy from the right? You have a very limited view of this blog then if you’re only looking at this comment thread.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 4:57 pm

Dora, fair enogh

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 5:01 pm

fair enough regarding your post on using the ISG’s recommendations that is.

Conservo Tom says:

January 24th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

Thanks for the banter everyone. Seriously, if you knew me in person, you would know I never engage in debates with people who can’t take it. I respect democrats with strong opinions far more than the gigantic population of “undecideds” we have in this country.

I have to go now. Thanks for helping me with my anger issues :)

Nate says:

January 24th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

The times when the democrats did not clap about certain national security issues during the President’s speech say it all! They were strangely silent at key moments of the speech relating to national security and terrorism. I don’t expect them to support every little thing the President does (and I don’t either), but they are clearly letting politics get in the way of making the life of me and my family safer! Republican or Democrat, our personal safety and security should not be sacrificed to save a person’s political party, ego, or reputation!

The same idea goes for the President’s Social Security/Medicare/ Health-care portion of the speech. While the President’s plans may not be perfect, what solution have the democrats come up with (other than raising taxes)?

FlyZoso says:

January 24th, 2007 at 5:13 pm

Well we can definitely compare blogging to politics. We have all turned into quite the Spin Doctors here. (Left and Right)

And please take the statement with stride as it was just a joke

bsimon says:

January 24th, 2007 at 5:21 pm

Nate says “I don’t expect them to support every little thing the President does (and I don’t either), but they are clearly letting politics get in the way of making the life of me and my family safer!”

Either that or they disagree that the President’s policies will actually make us safer.

SGE says:

January 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

While I am no Bush”ite” by any means (no worries I am a conservative at heart) I have to say Bush has put one foot forward 12 centimeters to volunteer like he did in the late 1960′s for service duty. Comments above centered on the need for more troops are well documented over the past couple years by both parties. To start I am not a proclaimed military strategist yet I can say with some historical evidence that increased troop strength is what we need to protect our precious interests in the Gulf, not oil but our sons, daughters, mothers, and fathers. Yet his proposal is just another 12 centimeters not the 3 yards that is needed. Increase of the troops should be a large engagement with a detailed deployment scheduled and with a detailed disengagement schedule. This approach with a large diplomatic resolve with all nations in the region along with all nations with troops would be the full step forward not the nudge that will prove ineffective.

Bush is not a smart man by any means, the picture of him reading the upside down book at the daycare says volumes for his capacity. His father realized that occupation in 1991 would never work but the genes were not in his favor to his brood. Finally to Michelle next time tackle the Prez and take full advantage. Instead of holding prayer recital for the homosexual deviants show them what real relationships are made of! You go Girl!

JWL says:

January 24th, 2007 at 6:15 pm

I was appalled by Michelle Bachman. How completely humilating for all Minnesotans, especially women. I have been a working woman all of my life, and I have never, and would NEVER, attempt to get a kiss from my boss. It is completely inappropriate behavior. Shake the man’s hand like every other dignified member of congress. Behave like a proud Minnesota, proud woman and proud American. Not like a star struck high school geek who the quarterback just said “hi” to.

Karen says:

January 24th, 2007 at 6:28 pm

I was appalled by Michelle Bachmann also. But — to reply to JWL — I don’t think Bachmann or any legislator should view Bush as their boss. They should view themselves as members of a co-equal body of government that should be providing some checks and balances. And Bachmann doesn’t seem to. I think that’s what bothered me about the cheerleader act.

Steve in Elk River says:

January 24th, 2007 at 6:43 pm

I hate to say that I agree with President Bush, as I believe 30 years from now he will be referred to as one of the worst President in history. But, I listen to a lot of experts from every background (academia, diplomacy, former cabinet members, intelligence community, etc.), and they all agree that a large troop surge is part of the answer in Iraq. The other part which they all tout loudly is that there needs to be a diplomatic/political solution. They believe that we need to send in enough troops to create calm and security in which the Sunnis and Shiites can come to an agreement. And that the neighboring countries must be involved heavily. I did not hear the second part of the equation from Mr. Bush last night. He refuses to even talk with many of the involved parties, much to the chagrin of the advisors his father set upon him. It is sad that the man just won’t listen to anyone but Karl Rove.

Mark Hager says:

January 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pm

The kiss did not bother me. It was her VERY long and EXTENDED grip on his shoulder that made her look like a DESPERATE school girl. If have always feared that she had big issues with male approval, but I really had to blush at this one. Daddy, do you love me? Do you really love ME? If she was elected to a leadership position in congress, I don’t see much spirit of leadership here.

Jaygo says:

January 24th, 2007 at 8:31 pm

Bachmann = inappropriate to the point of being disturbing. She makes Monica Lewinsky seem the queen of restraint. Now we have the queen of hypocrisy–railing against gays while she accosts a married man and brags about getting her “second kiss.” Pathetic.

Brian G says:

January 24th, 2007 at 9:53 pm

JWL says, “I was appalled by Michelle Bachman. How completely humilating for all Minnesotans, especially women. I have been a working woman all of my life, and I have never, and would NEVER, attempt to get a kiss from my boss.”
He kissed other women too. And I thought Dennis Kuscinish was going to kiss him too. And he is one of the Presidents ardent foes. Big F’ing Deal?

6th district Jim says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

Fortunately, Bachmann has an IQ about 100 pts higher than the average Startribune reader.
I hate it when leaders show affection. Next some wacko will hold a baby on the House floor. I doubt Michelle is too worried about bloggers after smacking Patty into oblivion on election day. Kind of like Bush racking up 62 million votes in 2004 (what was Clinton’s best, on yea, a paltry 48 million :o ). Bush does what he thinks is right, and Nancy sits behind him showing her best blinking and chewing tics. Oh wait, now I’m being negative. At least Michelle has the looks and moxie to be a cheerleader; Amy… {cartoon bubble here}

what the?? says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:37 pm

Jaygo writes-

“Bachmann = inappropriate to the point of being disturbing. She makes Monica Lewinsky seem the queen of restraint. Now we have the queen of hypocrisy–railing against gays while she accosts a married man and brags about getting her “second kiss.” Pathetic.”

Really Jaygo, makes Lewinski seem like the queen of restraint? Comparing Bachmann to Lewinski, really? Why not compare Bachman to a pedophile or Jeffrey Dahmer, Ed Gein. Lewinski is the best you can do?

Susanne the Infidel says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:45 pm

Shuddup you guys, maybe some women think the CINC is hot, (women like power and money over just about anything else) so shuddup.

am I wrong?

Eva Young says:

January 24th, 2007 at 11:57 pm

Possibly even MORE disturbing than Bachmann’s behaviour is Star Tribune columnist C.J. calling Bush “sexy.”

WTF is that??

EY: Well Michele Bachmann told Jason Lewis that President Bush is “absolutely buff – he’s like you Jason, not a drop of fat on him.”

Susanne the Infidel says:

January 25th, 2007 at 12:06 am

Eva Young, do you think Michelle is like, OMG, so hot for him? ANd thinks he is like, sooo dreamy? Do you think Michelle is like, OMG, Jason dude, your friend George is so absolutely buff! TDF, TDF! give him my cell, like?

sean says:

January 25th, 2007 at 2:29 am

way to go you idiots that voted for bachmann, that is what we need in office. Some hopped up horny schoolgirl planning all day to get within reach of the president to molest him instead of contemplating important policy issues. She and those that voted for are all an embarassment, she is an abysmal sycophant

Isabelle says:

January 25th, 2007 at 5:54 am

Wow, I’m from MN, but thankfully not in Michelle’s district! Though watching her antics makes me realize now exactly how she got elected: I just wonder if she used the “candy bar” or “lollipop” bribe to get all those votes? What a junior-high-school example of girlish behavior. I think God is going to start telling her to grow up any time now. This woman is simply embarrassing.

Mr Right says:

January 25th, 2007 at 8:57 am

I love how people rip Bachmann for the way she acted, which admittedly was a bit emabrrassing, however nobody seems to mention the fact that folks like Ellison who were falling over themselvs to get in line to greet the President and a soon as he’s out of the room they stab him in the back…. Now thats character.
Ignorance is bliss…

FedUp says:

January 25th, 2007 at 10:19 am

WHY IS THIS A NEWS STORY? Arent there better things to cover besides this? How about Presidential Candidate Joseph Biden’s comments a couple months ago on the need for a troop surge in Iraq, only to flip flop, in typical Democratic fashion a week ago? To me, that is news.

Michelle Leigh says:

January 25th, 2007 at 11:02 am

What an embarrassment was Michelle Bachman? She is a congresswoman? I thought she was going to pull a Lewinsky for a moment there. MB is an embarrassment to Minnesota and just proved her own sexual desires for that codpiece wearing strutting peacock!

Michelle Leigh says:

January 25th, 2007 at 11:29 am

OK, could someone tell me why there was no mention of the once greatest cities in the United States of America: New Orleans?

What ever happened to the boastful and promised help to NO in the last SOTU speech? Of course it was only more lies coming from the mouth of that weasel.

Please read “The Iraq War and Crony Democracy” at http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012407N.shtml

Bob says:

January 25th, 2007 at 11:59 am

I think I spotted tongue going into Bush’s ear! May need a covert investigation to look for some DNA in the President’s ear.

bill & donna christensen says:

January 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pm

we voted for michele bachmann, now wished we hadn’t. too bad we can’t take
our vote back.
how embarassing to have her as a senator from minnesota.
her behavior was so disgusting at the state of the union.
she should be ashamed of herself, we sure are.

ricky says:

January 25th, 2007 at 2:02 pm

Who are these voters who voted for this right wing pathetic broad. Her relationship with a preacher on the North side giving a fire & brimstone speech backing her for congress makes me wanting to become an agnostic. Next time think twice and vote her ass out of office.
Maybe we can get rid of another Bush rubber stamp in my district, John Kline.

FedUp says:

January 25th, 2007 at 2:23 pm

Michelle Leigh said, “OK, could someone tell me why there was no mention of the once greatest cities in the United States of America: New Orleans?” Come on, havent we played out the NO just a tad?

Why no mention of the people in Denver who were snowed in? Where was all the media coverage of all the people stuck in the airports during the snow storms? Could it be because the people in Denver and the airport took care of themselves, know how to take care of themselves and are not looking for someone else to take care of them?

Brian G says:

January 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

“OK, could someone tell me why there was no mention of the once greatest cities in the United States of America: New Orleans?”
Well for one thing Michelle, The Katrina topic has been discussed many times. And shouldn’t the citizens of that area that have received billions of dollars eventually take some responsibility and fix things themselves? It seems that the only thing they have accomplished is get the crime rate back up there.

Bob says:

January 25th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

Hey Fedup, there is a difference between snow and water. Ever try shoveling out of a flood?

Brian G says:

January 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pm

bill & donna christensen says..they are sorry they voted for Michelle.
Please move to the 5th then OK?

Dora says:

January 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pm

Brian you mean the billions of dollars that have been wasted because of corruption? I don’t really own heavy machinery do you Brian? Would you be able to get your own utilities back up and running after a disaster? It’s not like NO is all cleaned up. There are many places that don’t look much different now than they did after the hurricane. Your ignorance is showing again.

Aren’t you the arrogant one, telling them they should move b/c they regret their vote.

FedUp says:

January 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pm

Hey Bob, ever been in a flood? You do a fair amount of shoveling and vacuuming and alot of other things. For most of us, we adapt to it and LEAVE. We dont stand there like turkeys, looking at the sky waiting for money to start raining down or look for a camera or a WalMart and start looting and blame it on the Government.

Dora says:

January 25th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

FedUp, it’s obvious you have no concept of the devastation that Katrina caused. Comparing a category 5 hurricane to a flood is absurd.

Brian G says:

January 25th, 2007 at 9:40 pm

Dora, “billions of dollars that have been wasted because of corruption? I don’t really own heavy machinery do you Brian? Would you be able to get your own utilities back up and running after a disaster? It’s not like NO is all cleaned up. There are many places that don’t look much different now than they did after the hurricane. Your ignorance is showing again.
Aren’t you the arrogant one, telling them they should move b/c they regret their vote.”

WOW Dora, you are gettin’ on me pretty hard. Where is your liberal tolerance?
You are starting to sound like your son mblaine!

Hey, I am all for wasting billions more in NO! My original suggestion was to fly over in C130′s and shovel out $100 bills. Had to get the cash sown there fast you know.
And don;t you get just a little tired of the outrage against Bachmann, when there are-were plenty of stab the President in the back dems that patted him on the back and kissed him too?

Dora says:

January 25th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

Trying to change the subject? I see you didn’t dispute the corruption or the fact that there are areas that aren’t cleaned up yet.

bsimon says:

January 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pm

Brian G writes “bill & donna christensen says..they are sorry they voted for Michelle.
Please move to the 5th then OK?”

Brian, you have that backwards. You should move to the 5th, so you can vote for Alan Fine in ’08, to replace your nemesis. Or you could run yourself.

Xandrogar says:

February 15th, 2007 at 11:46 pm

Cool guestbook,
interesting information…

napoli says:

March 13th, 2007 at 8:14 am

E evidente che il luogo e stato fatto dalla persona che realmente conosce il mestiere!

bologna says:

March 15th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

luogo interessante, soddisfare interessante, buon!

zidane says:

March 17th, 2007 at 11:53 am

Lo trovo piuttosto impressionante. Lavoro grande fatto..)

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