Bachmann clarifies some, not all
March 1st, 2007 – 7:24 PM by Eric BlackThe Star Tribune has just published an op-ed piece by Rep. Michele Bachmann that advances the ball toward a clearer understanding of what she believes about Iran’s plans for Iraq and what she said on Feb. 9 to Larry Schumacher of the St. Cloud Times.
                                             
Bachmann, a freshman Republican no longer claims to know that there is a deal in place, involving Iran and unnamed other parties, to partition Iraq, create a new state and use it as a terrorist haven. She still believes that this is so, or at least that it is a likely outcome if Iraq is partitioned. But she is essentially retracting the portion of her original interview in which she said:
“Iran is the trouble maker, trying to tip over apple carts all over Baghdad right now because they want America to pull out. And do you know why? It’s because they’ve already decided that they’re going to partition Iraq.
And half of Iraq, the western, northern portion of Iraq, is going to be called…. the Iraq State of Islam, something like that. And I’m sorry, I don’t have the official name, but it’s meant to be the training ground for the terrorists. There’s already an agreement made.
They are going to get half of Iraq and that is going to be a terrorist safe haven zone where they can go ahead and bring about more terrorist attacks in the Middle East region and then to come against the United States because we are their avowed enemy.â€
And Bachmann is no longer claiming, as she did on the previous round, that her Feb. 9 “words had been misconstrued.” Rather, she is acknowledging that she said something different from what she meant.
I, for one, as the alleged misconstruer, accept her statement.
The new statement still suggests that Iran wishes to partition Iraq. and, she adds in the new statement, so does Al Qaida. She cites sources now, such as a statement by an Al Qaida-linked group that it hoped to create a state out of Iraq’s Sunni Arab regions. And the statement is apparently the source of her belief that a new name had already been chosen for the terror-haven state. Bachmann had said it was something like “Iraq State of Islam,” and the Al Qaida-linked guy had called it the “Islamic State of Iraq.” Pretty darn close, you gotta admit.
Bachmann cites other evidence for her beliefs about Iran and Al Qaida’s goals in Iraq. As evidence for a surmise (rather than an established fact), they work reasonably well, although if you want to be picky, there actually isn’t any evidence in her piece that Iran favors the partition of Iraq.
Perhaps it would be too much to push Bachmann to say more about how she came to say something different from what she meant. I give her points for acknowledging that the problem was with her statement, not with those who took it to mean what it plainly said.
But I still hope to talk to Bachmann, and have made a request to do so tonight or tomorrow. My main question at this point, based on the new statement, is this:
The new op-ed goes to some lengths to imply that Iran and Al Qaida are working together to partition Iraq and create the terrorist haven. But she doesn’t say so directly. Does she have evidence of this? Because Iran is the most prominent Shiite state. Al Qaida is strongly linked to Sunnism and treats Shiites as enemies.
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Eric,
Thank you. This is a good picture of Michele Bachmann. It’s too bad that the strib has resorted to choosing the least flattering photos in the past to help with their liberal arguements.
In any case, thank you Eric!
But she doesn’t say so directly. Does she have evidence of this? Because Iran is the most prominent Shiite state. Al Qaida is strongly linked to Sunnism and treats Shiites as enemies.
The answer to that would be “No”, simply because she has absolutely no idea of what she is talking about. Her OpEd piece read like one of Coleman’s cheerleading sessions for Bush. She advances unfounded/illogical theories to help the Bush admin push their Iran agenda forward. I’m guessing the RNC faxed her the piece and she just changed the by-line.
Eric, please do get her on the record about this. An oral interview with a give and take would help clear this up further.
Someone else besides Michele Bachmann could have written this oped. (Often that is the case of opeds authored by politicians.)
D2SI,
HER PICTURE DOESN’T MATTER!! My District deserves an intelligent representative, not a pretty - or handsome - face.
FYI - anyone in a tiara over the age of 21 is icky. Or just plain weird.
Give me super-ugly over super-crazy anytime. Pictures, too.
Geez.
I would really like to see how Eva and Counter Culture compare on the their views on the war on Islamic terror. I kind of respect Eva, but CC sounds like an anti-American communist.
After first making baseless statements about Iranian intent to “partition” Iraq, Bachmann now morphs her claim into a statement of “al qaeda’s” intent to partition Iraq, supposedly based on a one paragraph article in NY Post from last Fall. This is even more suspicious, and really calls into question where exactly Bachmann got her earlier “analysis” from.
As a member of Congress, Bachmann has access to ACTUAL intelligence assessments concerning Iraq made by intelligence professionals. They’ll return her call. She can read competent analysis of the situation and relay that information to her constitutents, instead of simply making up hyperbolic incendiary nonsense supposedly based on a months old, one paragraph newspaper article.
She didn’t behave as a responsible member of Congress in this sorry episode, prefering to dish out incendiary (mostly baseless) information about a volatile topic that most people are quite ignorant about. That’s the last sort of behavior we need right now, even though it’s par for the “conservative” course.
An anti-American Communist (give me a break) would not be aware of the Sunni/Shiite history - and neither is Rep. Bachmann. Could it be possible that SHE is an anti-American Communist?
Stop it, already, with the name calling!
Conservative or not, we all should condemn the kind of crap I have heard described from other sources on this blog the last few days. D2SI, can you honestly support someone being called an insane lesbian by your “hero” Jason Lewis?
I would respect you more than that, and you should give others the same measure of respect.
Eva, CC, you go!
dare2sayit.com says:
…but CC sounds like an anti-American communist.
As opposed to a pro-American communist?
Sharon says:
Eva, CC, you go!
Thanks Sharon. I beleive that DTSI just can’t help himself. As for Bachmann, wouldn’t it be nice to have a representative that actually knew what they were talking about before they started giving their “views” on a particular subject matter? Just a thought.
I’ve visited Eva’s Dump Bachmann blog many times, and even though I disagree with much of what she has to say, I respect her. She is a person who shows some class.
Too bad you can’t follow Eva’s lead DTSI. Show some class. Let’s see if you can make comments here without the gratuitous insults. I really have my doubts but maybe you can surprise me.
D2SI,
I would be delighted to be called an “insane lesbian” if I had the guts that Eva has had to express her concerns and have her LIFE laid out for everyone to see. NOT RELEVANT, IMHO. By the way, I am a married, 45-year old female that barely has sex with herself.
Working on that!
Anyway, there are far more important concerns than ANYONE’S sex life or sexual preference. Who Cares? Kids are dying. Grow up, D2SI - and Mr. Lewis. Can you explain WHY THEY ARE DYING? WHAT ARE WE ACCOMPLISHING?
CC, that is far too much to expect. The 6th District has clearly elected someone that is 1-short of a six pack.
Insane Lesbians are great!
Go Insane Lesbians!
My bet is that Bachmann will stick to her written statement. She burned herself in an interview. I predict she’ll stick with favorable audiences and media who will throw her softball questions.
Hey! When the Strib first floated the “Bachmannistan” bombshell story (when was that, five days ago?) I transcribed the podcast of her revelation and did a Google search on terms she used in describing the alleged “partition agreement.”
I spent about an hour one night searching different combinations of words used by Bachmann when she described the “partition agreement”–”terrorist safe haven”, “partition”, “Iran”, “Iraq”, “northern Iraq” “western Iraq” “Iraq State of Islam”–all that stuff, different combinations. But nothing came up resembling the plan Bachmann described: a plan to partition Iraq pursuant to an existing agreement with Iran, and create a new terrorist state in northern and western Iraq under Iranian hegemony.
(Such a plan doesn’t make sense, by the way, if you know anything about the demographics of the area of the world that Bachmann was describing.)
I found hundreds and hundreds of documents, none of which matched the details of Bachmann’s “bombshell disclosure.” I did find the statement that she is now claiming as the basis of her remarks (the one mentioned by Eric Black, above.) But I dismissed that as the possible source of her remarks, since there is no “existing agreement with Iran” connected to that proposal.
So the question remains–what *was* she talking about when she gave out that interview? Who gave her the idea that Iran had obtained an agreement with some unnamed power to partition Iraq, and that this agreement is already in existence?
It is a shame that Rep. Bachmann has proven that she cannot string together a coherent thought, nor can she understand and then accurately represent the facts of situations pertaining to foreign policy, history, science, education, equal rights or the Constitution; i do enjoy the bigotry and nonsensical religious views though. (So, that’s a plus.)
Dora says:
Too bad you can’t follow Eva’s lead DTSI. Show some class.
You know Dora, I’ve been guilty of taking DTSI’s “bait” quite a bit here. I guess at times the temptation was just too great when he would spout off one of his nutter claims, but I should have known better. After the first “discussion” that I got in to with him — wherein I would make a counter-point and he would ramble off on to some other rant — I should have realized what I was dealing with. In the future I’ll try not to let myself pulled down in to one of his quagmires.
Yikes.
D2SI,
WHY are you spending so much time on the Dump Bachmann blog?
I am sure that there are many venues that would appreciate your viewpoint, and I cannot imagine the “Dump Bachmann” venue being one of them.
OTOH, some of us feel that part of our future may depend on getting this nutcase out of office. For those people, I can understand their fascination with the “Dump Bachmann” blog. Seek, and ye shall find… Look for a “Keep Bachmann” blog!
Letting Bachmann get away with an op/ed in lieu of your interview, Eric, would be like letting her conduct a one-sided interview, in which she interviews herself. And that is no interview at all.
You may accept her explanation but those of us who have watched her lie repeatedly over the years do not. This was a deliberate lie to a newspaper reporter in a small market. She lied and threw out this scary story because she thought no one was looking and thought she could impress a small-town reporter (no offense to Schumacher–he did a great job). Don’t forget, at first, she wanted him to do an off-the-record interview. That way, of course, Bachmann could disclaim anything she said. That’s how she likes it.
Get that interview, Eric, and find out where she is getting this information and in particular, where did she hear the “official” name for this new terrorist haven that she so vividly described. That was very specific and her constituents want to know. She represents us, and if she won’t respond to us, maybe she will to you–with a tape recorder going.
Just so you all have it in front of you, here’s a transcript of exactly what Michele Bachmann told a reporter about “the agreement with Iran to partition Iraq and create a new terrorist safe haven nation:”
“Iran is the troublemaker trying to tip over apple carts all over Baghdad right now because they want America to pull out. And you know why? It’s because they’ve already decided, that they’re going to territory, they’re- they’re going to partition Iraq and half of Iraq, the western northern portion of Iraq is going to be called, the United, uh, uh, the, the uh, -oh, I’m sorry, I can’t remember the actual name of it now, but it’s going to be called, um, uh, the, the, uh, uh the Iraq State of Islam, something like that. And I-I’m sorry, I-I don’t have the official name, but it is meant to be the training ground for the terrorists. There’s already an agreement made; they’re going to get half of Iraq and that is going to be a –a terrorist free,-a terrorist safe haven zone.”
Contrast that with her current account backing off that claim, in the op ed piece:
“I said that an agreement had already been made to divide Iraq and create a safe haven for terrorists. Rather, I meant that America’s adversaries are in agreement that a divided Iraq benefits their objective to expel America from the region, resulting in Iraq being a safe haven for terrorists.”
If her only mistake was “misspeaking,”–why the hell does she wait six days after the story is covered nationally to correct herself? Why not come clean right away, and admit you made a mistake, so that you don’t look like a complete idiot and leave the country speculating about where you got your “bombshell” information disclosing an agreement with Iran? Shouldn’t she apologize for a misleading statement–even if was made inadvertently?
And it still begs the question: who fed this Congresswoman the story that there’s “already an agreement made” about dividing Iraq with Iran?
The real question is that President Bush’s ranch house is more eco-friendly than Gore’s.
Dora - show some class if you can.
Bachmann is paying back the Republican party (just like Coleman has done) for supplying her the resources to get elected. The pay back is to recite Republican talking points, which at this point in the game are weaker, and dumber, then ever. Sadly, when she attempts to embellish them on her own the true Bachmann comes out: She is an intellectual midget. She has no idea as to what is going on around her.
The fact that she won the election is an embarrassment to Minnesota, and America. She is incapable of being a positive force for the change needed in this country.
So for the one term she will be in office, she will show up on every talk show that wants to play something funny\stupid that a politician said.
She is nothing but an incoherent punch line so expecting that she will give an interview and be able to explain herself is asking for more then she can deliver.
Your article does not to this issue justice. I don’t know what it is with the StarTribune reporters, but you report fluff whether it is Ellison or Bachmann. Why do you not dig deeper into these issues and the repercussions. Please tell me. I moved here a year ago from the East Coast, and am so disappointed in your reporting of serious issues.
Mr. Carey,
Please send a tip to D.J. Tice or Eric Black requesting that they investigate your issue.
Meanwhile, do not hijack this thread. I understand your desperation - and your fear - but it needs to find an appropriate home.
Marti - don’t stop subscribing to alternative sources of news. You won’t get much more than fluff from any TC media outlet.
It seems to me that Ms. Bachmann was trying to get her base worked up and got caught, um, exaggerating some details. Honest mistakes I am sure. A good Christian woman wouldn’t lie, now would she.
BTW,
Mr. Carey,
If it was possible for you to define class, you would recognize that Dora HAS class.
She does not initiate name-calling, and she backs up her arguments with links AND facts.
As opposed to…
Thank you Dareto and Sharon. Prendergast says it best.
Also, Sharon - on Dump Bachmann, we welcome opposing views - and daretosayit has been a regular over there.
Heading to Bed - will check in tomorrow.
The criticisms from the paranoids are minimal tonight.
See You Soon!
Mr. Carey?
D2SI?
Eric Black writes: “The new op-ed goes to some lengths to imply that Iran and Al Qaida are working together to partition Iraq and create the terrorist haven. But she doesn’t say so directly. Does she have evidence of this? Because Iran is the most prominent Shiite state. Al Qaida is strongly linked to Sunnism and treats Shiites as enemies.”
Don’t let her change the subject on you, Mr. Black! It’s a very interesting question you’ve got there, and it also demands evidence–
But don’t let her go until you found out her *exact* source for the claim that there was *an existing agreement with Iran to create a new terrorist nation out of Iraq*–tell her to name her source, you want the names of the person or people who gave her that story before she went on the air with it.
If it turns out her source was a New York Post story that she misread–so be it (God how sad; how can anyone misread the New York Post? Why the hell would she even read the New York Post?) I know you have to take her word for what her source of information was–but get her to name a name! Or get her on tape refusing to name a name!
Mucho importante! We’ve got to know what this Congressional representative is relying on for his misinformation about the war. Make sure that tape recorder’s rolling.
Dora Says:
“Too bad you can’t follow Eva’s lead DTSI. Show some class.”
Dora, you more than anyone on this blog could learn the most from Eva.
Frederick Fromer from the AP interviewed Bachmann. If she talked to him, she should be willing to talk to you.
Larry Schumacher at the St Cloud Times also has a nice writeup:
http://www.sctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070301/NEWS01/103010093/1009
In a telephone interview Thursday with The Associated Press, Bachmann stressed that she had not meant to suggest in her initial comments that a written agreement was in place for the partition of Iraq.
“I could have been more precise in what I said,” she conceded.
EY: Keep pushing for that interview Eric. As Karl says, her constituents deserve answers.
Eric, your acceptance of Bachmann’s claim that she “said something different” so lame. It’s important to get Bachmann to answers these questions. But it’s also important to keep her overall views in perspective. Why is that Bachmann, a freshman representative elected by 50% of the vote get to make any pronouncements about foreign and military affairs? The reason is she presents a dangerous and extreme and uninformed viewpoint which happens to be shared by those who are shaping those policies at the moment. But she wants to hide behind a facade of reasonableness because she knows that the majority of people in the country and her district do not share her views an would reject them if she were to come out and say explicitly what they really are.
I think the media, i.e you, Eric Black, need to “out” Bachmann for the extremist she really is. Her past statements reveal her as one who favors military confrontation and war with Iran. Does she have any idea how this would be accomplished given that the military resources of the country are already near or at their breaking point with the deployments in Iraq? She appears therefore to favor nuclear attack on Iran. Does she favor genocide as a tool of foreign policy and US hegemony over regions of the earth? because that is what such actions would inevitably entail. Does she believe that our actions in Iraq have justified the deaths of 600,000 Iraqis? How many more dead Iraqis does she believe are “enough”?
Bachmann has claiemd that she was “directed by God” to run for this office. Does she agree with some people who hold similar religious views that the Mideast conflict should lead to Armageddon or religious war with Islam?
Eric, I’m tired of these reactionaries hiding their true beliefs claiming to be misquoted or misconstrued. I’m also tired of having reporters give right wingers like Bachmann kid glove treatment. I do not accept your thinking that if you are getting it rom the right and also from the “left” that somehow you are doing something journalistic or objective, Eric.
Don’t you see that third rate hacks like Jason Lewis are monkeys paid by reactionaries to inimidate journalists like yourself from doing their job in a democratic society? Don’t let Bachmann get away with being “misquoted” or “misconstrued.”
Counter-Coulter, it’s a little like poking a bear with a stick. Initially thrilling but not very satisfying in the long run.
One of the things Paul S said that I agree with is that it’s not always about the particular post/poster you’re responding to but also those who stop by just to read.
IMO, one of the things that has contributed to the rise of the rw propaganda machine is that we thought those nutter comments were self evident and we didn’t need to respond. But I’ve since changed my mind about that viewpoint. I believe it led those who didn’t hear otherwise to conclude, erroneously of course, that if they didn’t hear otherwise then those nutter comments maybe weren’t really nutter afterall.
The regulars here all know otherwise of course but you never know who’s lurking. Not that every single nutter comment needs response but some do. Then again, sometimes I can’t help poking that bear just for the fun of it.
Dora says:
“it’s a little like poking a bear with a stick. Initially thrilling but not very satisfying in the long run.”
Where is PETA on this?
Two months and Bachman is an expert on Iraq. About the same time it took Norm Coleman to become an expert on the UN. Wow, Washington is amazing.
DTSI are you a politician? You’re really good at attempting to divert from the real issues! “Look over here. Look over here.” This conversation is about a serious issue: the crisis in the Middle East and an American politician’s complete inability to address the problem responsably.
“Where is PETA on this?” I don’t know. Where is the Second Reich (all the Bushy Jrs) on eating steak? And, while I’m on the topic, I’d rather be a communist than one of you neo-nazi, fascist freaks. Thankfully, I’m not. Unlike you, I fully support the democratic process. In particular, the part where I, as a citizen, am charged with holding my elected representatives accountable for their actions.
Is anyone as worried as I am about this representative? Makes me think that I should throw my hat in for the next election. One thing is for sure if I were to win I wouldn’t be pawing the president and talking about things I did not understand. Seems to me Bachmann wanted this seat to rub elbows with the higher ups. What we need is people with morals. Bachmann obviously needs everyone to email her to let her know that we do not want a reason why or to clarify what she said. We need her to keep in mind that the people elected her and she needs to represent US.
There,ISaidIt,
The reason I support Michele Bachmann is because I care about how the Islamist war on western civilization is going unlike you neo-Libs. The liberal democrat wish to surrender in Iraq and just hope the Islamofacists will be happy and leave us alone is just plain ignorant thinking. I don’t know about you, but it is obvious to me that Iran is desparatly trying to control much of Iraq.
Deeks says:
“About the same time it took Norm Coleman to become an expert on the UN”
Even though Coleman is too liberal on many issues like controlling illegal immigration, he was right on when he went after Kofi and the corrupt, worthless, anti-Semitic debating society.
I think we should do less name calling and stick with the issues. Wouldn’t it be nice to not worry if the person sitting next to you were a dem or rep? If we were to work with each other, alot more would be done. Name calling will never work.
I’m from outside the metro area. Ms Bachmann does not represent me. Did she lose it? Have the pressures gotten to her? Can you recall? Washington has already turned her upside down and into a joke. Washington is not an easy place.
Good point Pem500.
Eric,
I can understand the need to have advertisers, but some of these intrusive adds like the Edina Reality one need to go. They are very annoying.
Well, she said a long time ago, in her church, that she’s a “fool for God.” Hmmm, she got one part of that statement right, anyway.
Liberals simply don’t like it when a woman or minority member is conversative, especially with a strong Christian faith. MariKay, thank you for showing this.
I am shocked as to the lack of knowledge that Rep. Bachmann has.
She was elected as an anti gay candidate and that his her limited knowledge base.
Dr Don,
I disagree. I live in the 6th. district and voted for her not only because she doesn’t support gay marriage, but she is determined to win the war with Islamic terrorists, and also realizes how the massive invasion of illegal aliens is seriously hurting our country and she is trying to fix the problem.
Her “strong Christian faith” wouldn’t bother me it didn’t drive her perspective on issues in a way that resulted in the demonization of those she feels are “godless” or “sinful.” You know, Iranians = Al Quaida = terrorists; gay people = sin/sickness = pedophiles. And as a Congressperson, her very narrow, virulently activist view/faith is extraordinarily threatening to those who don’t share her beliefs.
dismayed constituent,
BS
DTSI
If you ever really talked to her one on one you would find out she has a “Radical Christian” faith. She surrounds herself with people of the same view and beliefs and has a very limited perspective on the issues.
“Brilliantly Sophisticated”?
Frankly,
Yes I have spoken to Michele one on one and was extremely impressed with her. I’m not offended by her being a Christian who still follows what the Bible teaches. When did the left start calling that “radical”?
When she started trying to impose her particular interpretation of the Bible, using the mechanisms of government, upon those who do not share her beliefs.
dismayed constituent,
Could you give me an example of “her particular interpretation of the Bible” as opposed to what the Bible actually says?
Show me someplace in the New Testament, i.e., the teachings of Christ, where he ever said anything about homosexuality.
Since I left MN you’ve elected Jesse for guv and now this whack job to Congress. Did someone put something in the water?
Do you want a few examples of Old Testament teachings that Bachmann choose to ignore?
Fortunately, MB is smarter than 98% of Strib readers including EB.
I bet we wont see EB blogging on Al Gore’s massive energy use while being Al-mer Gantry on the trail.
News is what the partisan hacks choose to report.
Iran wants make Iraq a satellite, yes that’s a breathtaking conclusion.
thanks EB
good laughs as always comrade
I think the lip lock she laid on W must have been the source of her high level of intelligent commentary on Iraq and the plans of the boogeyman in the Middle East. Doggai
If Bachmann were a Muslim man, she’d be right alongside the Ayahtolla chanting death to infidels.
The sooner us humans see that religion is a phase, much like a child sucking it’s thumb, the closer we’ll be to realizing our potential. Until then, like that child, we’ll be ruled by emotion and not logic.
dismayed constituent,
Somehow I knew you would bring up the homosexual issue. I’m not by any means an authority on Bible verses, but I know it doesn’t endorse homosexual behaviour and definately doesn’t endorse gay marriage.
I realize that I’m in hostile terrority on this liberal blog and common sense conservatives don’t typically frequent it, but if anyone would like to point Dismayed in the right direction it would be helpful.
Mike B. says:
“If Bachmann were a Muslim man, she’d be right alongside the Ayahtolla chanting death to infidels.
The sooner us humans see that religion is a phase, much like a child sucking it’s thumb, the closer we’ll be to realizing our potential. Until then, like that child, we’ll be ruled by emotion and not logic.”
The interesting thing is that the same liberals who are against Bachmann because she is a Christian, support Keith Hakim Ellison because he is a Muslim.
I just assume we’ll be treated with some kind of Bachmannalian event every month or so for the duration of her term. Every once in awhile it will rise above the blogs to public consciousness, perhaps nationally, to all of our embarrassment and/or amusement. I have to assume (hope) there are viable candidates out there who are already discussing a run in 2008, Rep or DFL, I don’t care which.
D2SI
guess that means you got nuthin’
Michele Bachmann to the AP:
In a telephone interview Thursday with The Associated Press, Bachmann stressed that she had not meant to suggest in her initial comments that a written agreement was in place for the partition of Iraq.
“I could have been more precise in what I said,” she conceded.
….
“I did not leak classified information,” she said in the AP interview.
http://www.examiner.com/a-594153~Bachmann_clarifies_comments_about_Iran.html
As Prendergast said, more followup is needed.
OK dismayed constituent,
Where does the Bible endorse homosexual behaviour or gay marriage? I know it says something about a Man shouldn’t lay with another Man. Sorry, I can’t give you the verse.
Thanks Eva,
In that piece Michele states:
“Rather, I meant that America’s adversaries are in agreement that a divided Iraq benefits their objective to expel America from the region, resulting in Iraq being a safe haven for terrorists.”
Michele is exactly right!. Too bad those on the left fail to realize this.
“If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.” 1 Corinthians 6:9
Ye Olde Testament. Are you saying that Bachmann thinks gay people should be put to death?
MB: “I did not leak classified information,” she said in the AP interview.
Total CYA. She just made stuff up.
Rep. Bachmann follows the Bush playbook by answering to bad news on a Friday- the snowstrom was a bonus. She didn’t respond to all of her comments in question. Her history of reckless comments is irresponsible. This is just the latest example. She operates on assumptions and recites them as facts or God’s word. The press is asleep at the wheel when it comes to holding her responsible.
DTSI
How long to you talk to her and how many times?
Honestly, if folks ignore DTSI (and others) wouldn’t this blog be more productive? More enjoyable? I don’t think it would go away but we could stay on topic and within them realm of reasonable.
Jeff
You’re right>
“The new op-ed goes to some lengths to imply that Iran and Al Qaida are working together to partition Iraq and create the terrorist haven. But she doesn’t say so directly. Does she have evidence of this? Because Iran is the most prominent Shiite state. Al Qaida is strongly linked to Sunnism and treats Shiites as enemies.”
This is the most fundamental question of this war. And one that has been driving any of us who actually know something about Islam and Middle Eastern politics crazy. Al Qaida is almost exclusivly Sunni. The Iranian govenrment is exclusivly Shiite. For any evidence as to how these two groups get along, please open ANY world newspaper in the past 2 years and find ANY article on the bloodbath happening in Iraq.
The tolerance American people have with absolute ignorance on global issues boggles my mind. Why did most Americans think Iraq was connected to 9/11? Intelectual lazyness- instead of doing the work to realize that Al Quida and Hussien were sworn enimies, people got lazy. Terrorists were responsible for 9/11, Arabs were terrorists, Iraqis were arabs, thus Iraq was responsible for 9/11. The same line of logic is being used in regards to Iran. No wonder we are losing credibility.
Eric, you have asked a good question. Please stick with it. Even if people on here want to post about her picture or her looks, I strongly urge you to explore this farther. Bachmann’s credibility has been questioned before, but for me this false connection between Iran and Sunni seperatists in Anbar province is an inexcusable example of either incompetence or deception.
I am quite sure that MB is an attractive woman, whatever, is that really important to most people? How she represents her district is what should be! I read another article recently that detailed how affluent her congregation, and church leader, are. Tie these beliefs in to the Bush economic picture, and of course these people support her and her party. How many of them own oil stock? Lower income people who may have voted for her based on her “moral” values, did you get what you were looking for? Do you feel safe and unthreatened from the “beast” of homosexuality? Do you sleep well at night, safe from terrorism? Could we please get back to helping our own country, not our rich peoples pocketbooks, MB?
MariKay- I suggest reading “Whats the Matter with Kansas” by Thomas Frank about the cultural bamboozling that has taken place. Vote to end abortions, get a tax cut… and watch the number of abortions actually rise under President Bush.
I’m new to this blog, but can see that it’s infected with the usual egomaniacal obsessive “conservative” who promiscuously posts rheams of unserious crap and thinks it’s his partisan duty to respond to every “lib’rul” comment.
The bane of political blogs.
Well it looks like the 6th district of MN will again be represented by a real go-getter ‘Bush Republican’. You would have thought after the poor job Kennedy did (voting on party lines and Bush over 95% of the time), the people could’ve found someone better to represent them. People were upset about the attention Ellison and the Quran bought to our state, but Michele Bachmann is the real embarassment of Minnesota. I’m glad I’m represented by Jim Ramstad, who has spent enough time in Congress to know that you only get re-elected when you listen to your constituents.
MB: “I meant that America’s adversaries are in agreement that a divided Iraq benefits their objective to expel America from the region[.]”
I think it’s going to be fairly easy for MB to dodge the question as to whether she has evidence that Al Qaeda and the Iranian government are working together to partition Iraq; she can credibly claim that both “adversaries” are working, if not collaboratively, to minimize the influence of the United States in the Middle East. They are both “enemies.” But I haven’t seen anything to support her conclusion that Iran is actively seeking Iraq’s partition. She should point to her source for that statement.
“The interesting thing is that the same liberals who are against Bachmann because she is a Christian, support Keith Hakim Ellison because he is a Muslim.”
Baloney - just like that crackpot Christian dispensation junk.
As for her comments, the fact is that Ahmadenijad’s group got trounced in the last public elections and Iranians left, right, and center are telling him to can it. “Iran” doesn’t seem to want war.
Here’s a little tidbit I just saw on the IraqSlogger–the “Islamic State of Iraq” is a militant Sunni organization. http://tinyurl.com/ynwdt6
That name is pretty darn close (to use Eric’s words) to Bachmann’s “Iraq State of Islam,” and is exactly the name cited in the NYPost. So from that little blurb in the NYPost it looks to me like they didn’t realize the militants were actually establishing an organization. And it also looks to me like Bachmann cited it purely for purposes of pulling her bacon out of the fire.
So her new statement is incorrect to use that NYPost blurb to say that Al-Qaida wants to partition Iraq.
dismayed constituent says: “But I haven’t seen anything to support her conclusion that Iran is actively seeking Iraq’s partition. She should point to her source for that statement.”
They never support their “conclusions”. Just like you hear Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the cabal say that al-Qaida’s goal is to break America’s will. They know better because as James Fallow pointed out in an Atlantic article:
“Documents captured after 9/11 showed that bin Laden hoped to provoke the United States into an invasion and occupation that would entail all the complications that have arisen in Iraq. His only error was to think that the place where Americans would get stuck would be Afghanistan.
Bin Laden also hoped that such an entrapment would drain the United States financially. Many al-Qaeda documents refer to the importance of sapping American economic strength as a step toward reducing America’s ability to throw its weight around in the Middle East.”
Next time you hear that little refrain think about these captured documents.
“Destabilizing Iraq is one of their tactics.”
Don’t you get it? The American invasion and occupation didn’t destabilize Iraq. The Iraqis love us and our soldiers wouldn’t be caught in the cross-fire of a civil war if it wasn’t for those Axis of Evil and Al-Qaida types.
But not to worry. After we nuke Iran things will really start to settle down. Right Michelle?
Dora- what baffles me is that we didnt figure that out. It was the same tactic used by the Mujahadeen in Afaghanistan- lure a superpower into a war on islamic soil, call it a holy war, recruit from around the islamic world, get the superpower bogged down in an gurilla war until it becomes no longer worth it. The superpower realizes they can never really “win” the war and they leave. The inciters then claim “victory” even though their country is in ruins.
How we fell into this trap is unbeivable to me.
Yes, this is a very pretty picture, she could be a model. Is this what is important for making political decisions?
I am glad that she has a faith, just like all of us have ethics and values!
What is relevant, is that being part of the Republican party still in charge of our foreign policy, is what does Michele and her Republican party believe the situation is and what are their plans for Iraq. How are they going to fix things? Is Michelle Bachman saying that with this surge (already happening) we will be able to leave a peaceful stable Iraq in 6 months? If the answer is no, then why isn’t the Republican party offering real solutions?
Ryan says: “How we fell into this trap is unbeivable to me.”
All you have to do is look at who is leading this country and it’s not so unbelievable. Contrary to what Double-Standard DTSI says, the Republican leadership is not interested in national security. It’s Party over Country for them.
Dora- I understand what you are saying. However, some resonsibility must fall on the Press, the Public and heck even the Dems…
Bush was elected (at least once). Someone gave him the authority, and when he was marching us into war- no one stood up to stop him.
I dislike the decions made by this president as much as you do- but the blind conformity of our populace is perplexing.
Like most of the kooks on the right, Ms. Bachmann is incoherently ignorant. What facts she does not know–which like her president are numerous–she simply makes up. It’s unfortunate that the Republican party has become the American taliban.
Jeff says:
Honestly, if folks ignore DTSI (and others) wouldn’t this blog be more productive? More enjoyable?
Jeff, that sounds exclusive and intolerant. ONLY LIBERAL views welcome here!
Getting back to Al-Qaeda’s real goal according to those captured documents, both the GAO and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs this week warned Congress that the military is bogged down, poorly equipped and overstretched b/c of Iraq and Afghanistan.
USAToday reported “Strained by the demands of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there is a significant risk that the U.S. military won’t be able to quickly and fully respond to yet another crisis, according to a new report to Congress.
The assessment, done by the nation’s top military officer, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, represents a worsening from a year ago, when that risk was rated as moderate.”
WAPO also reported this week that “Nearly 90 percent of Army National Guard units in the United States are rated “not ready” — largely because of shortfalls in equipment worth billions of dollars — jeopardizing the Guard’s ability to respond to crises at home and abroad, according to a congressional commission that released a preliminary report today on the state of U.S. military reserve forces. The commission found that heavy deployments of the National Guard and Reserves since 2001 for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and other anti-terrorism missions have deepened shortages, forced the military to cobble together units and hurt recruiting. The problems threaten to undermine the nation’s 830,000-strong selected reserves, the commission said.
“We can’t sustain the [National Guard and Reserve] on the course we’re on,” said Arnold L. Punaro, chairman of the 13-member Commission on the National Guard and Reserves, established by Congress in 2005.”
Now let’s add in the huge budget deficit and you’ve got to wonder how anybody with an ounce of intelligence could claim that Republicans are protecting our national security.
Ryan, the Bush WH played the fear card to the hilt. They scared the public into thinking that if you voted for a Democrat that armageddon was right around the corner. They scared the Democrats by labeling them soft on terrorism if they voiced any objection (they used that one on anybody who disagreed with them actually). And the rw propaganda machine was churning out the message 24/7/365. Fear is a powerful emotion and they used it, to all our detriment, very effectively.
Jeff suggests
“Honestly, if folks ignore DTSI (and others) wouldn’t this blog be more productive? More enjoyable? I don’t think it would go away but we could stay on topic and within them realm of reasonable.”
Indeed. I try to ignore the most shrill & illogical, but have to admit a strage fascination for such people and sometimes find myself posting responses despite my better inclinations.
“Jeff, that sounds exclusive and intolerant.”
Yes, intolerant of posts consisting almost exclusively of gratuitous insults and wildly inaccurate claims. I’m on board with that Jeff.
Jeff, perhaps we should just ignore those posts and only respond to the ones that don’t include them. Heck, I’d even say we split the difference. Drop all gratuitous insults but feel free to post wildly inaccurate claims. The facts will easily take care of the latter.
This woman is a certifiable nutcase. She fits in well with the other liars in Washington that make up grandiose stories. She’s on the Right side of the aisle thank heaven. Be just a bad memory in 2 years.
Dora says,
“Yes, intolerant of posts consisting almost exclusively of gratuitous insults and wildly inaccurate claims”
Wrong Dora. My posts are not “wildly innacurate” and you know it. Also, you are the queen of insults, so don’t accuse others of this.
Anyway, please continue with your leftist Bachmann bashing. I have to plow my driveway.
Have a great day!
I’ll take the ‘queen of sarcasm’ for $200.
Michele Bachmann says
“My additional concern is that Iran has supported the Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army and their interest in dividing Iraq along sectarian lines.”
The challenge is that Sadr is also a political leader in Iraq, having a lot of influence with the elected Iraqi government. I’m not sure that Sadr wants Iraq divided; Sadr wants to be part of the power structure in Iraq.
“One can see clearly that Iran supports those Shiite elements within Iraq that wish for ongoing division along sectarian lines, the failure of the Iraqi government, and the promotion of terrorist insurgencies to achieve these objectives.”
Clearly? I’m not sure that its clear at all. Frankly, this new talking point disparaging an Iraq divided along sectarian lines almost seems like more of an attack against Biden’s proposal than anything. Iran doesn’t want a 3 state solution; they want a Shiite controlled Iraq that reports to the Ayatollahs in Tehran.
Eric, if you do get an interview, please ask for more background info on Rep Bachmann’s statement.
Tell you what DTSI, if you drop all insults and name-calling toward, well everybody, then I will drop mine. However, I reserve the right to be sarcastic b/c after all EB said sarcasm has it’s place.
The facts take care of the wildly inaccurate no matter who posts them.
I wouldn’t get your hopes up about defeating Michelle—incumbent Reps are VERY hard to defeat and she has a very “conservative” district that likely laps this crap up. The fact that she won handiliy in such a climate shows both the weakness of Wetterling and how badly Rightist the district is.
Ryan, we “fell into the trap” of Iraq because Dick Cheney’s principal mission upon being elected president was the invasion of Iraq so that our American oil companies (Bushco’s largest supporters) could regain access to the second largest oil reserves on earth.
This was, is and always has been an oil war, falsely dressed up as “terror prevention” and then (more hilariously) as “spreadin” democracy”. Now it’s about not lettin’ terrorists “follow us” back to Edina. Anything but the truth, that’s the Repubs motto.
Our bellicose militarism is always, always about the oil.
It is 100% predictable that there will be a wingnut complaining about Bachmann’s photo not optimized to show her external beauty.
Her internal lack of beauty is what scares and concerns me.
bsimon, exactly.
Sadr does NOT support a partition of Iraq, quite the opposite: He supports a stronger central government, which places him somewhat at odds with the other Iraqi shi’ite party, the SCIRI. SCIRI does not support partition, either, but does support a more loose federalism, as the Kurds do.
So again, a member of Congress, Michelle Bachmann, literally does not know what she is talking about.
Euzoius and Dora-
I do not dispute your suggestions, I just think that there needs to be some blame placed on the American public. Fear works when populace is ignorant. While this administration has done its part to misinform, mislead and blur the truth, the American people have done little to search for the truth- instead prefering to be infatuated with “news” like Anna Nicole Smith.
Regardless of how much I and many of you fought this war from the begining, it is clear we didnt do a good enough job- neither did the press nor many members of the Democratic party. There is blood on the hands of every American- not just the Bush White House. That is the real shame of this war.
Euzoinus- you are correct with Sadr. In fact, it could also be said that he is pro-democracy. In that case, he would win being the formost leader of the most populace religious sect in Iraq. Democracy isnt always in the U.S. best interest (see Hamas).
Again, the Bush Administration has a long way to go to clarify what “winning” in Iraq would look like. It seems to be a problem when you do not have a meausrable outcome…
Ryan I understand you feel very strongly about this. And you’re right that the public did little to search for the truth but I’m not willing to condemn every American for it. It won’t do any good anyway. Everyday we all could do more on many issues. Let’s work toward shining a light on and preventing the failures instead. Let’s work on getting Congress to catch up with the will of the American people now.
If Bachmann were a Democrat or otherwise liberal, FOX, CNN and the rest of them would have a field day of accusations and investigations.
There’s an acronym for this kind of thing: IOKIYAR. It’s Okay If You’re A Republican.
IOKIYAR.
I like that JoeK.
That might be better than my MINOS (Moderates In Name Only) see TPaw, Coleman, McCain…
This is the kind of discussion and largely illogical public reaction we can all start to expect from sending lunatics to Washington. People like Bachmann and Ellison will occassionally spout off and make comments like this because they actually believe the majortiy of MN (or at least, their districts) are just as radical as they are in their views. Then this is the resulting emotional statements you get from both sides. We can eliminate these problems by nominating/electing better people.
Jeff says:
March 2nd, 2007 at 8:27 am
Honestly, if folks ignore DTSI (and others) wouldn’t this blog be more productive? More enjoyable? I don’t think it would go away but we could stay on topic and within them realm of reasonable.
I thought the purpose of the blog was to hear and discuss items with people from all beliefs, backgrounds and opinions to open discussions? Thats ok, just seclude yourself with likeminded people and sit around and agree on everything.
Ah, there we have the out of context criticim that Officer Truthsquad is known for. Jeff’s comment relates to the name-calling and insults of course but “truthsquad” morphs it into his own strawman. Good job “truthsquad”.
Jeff says: “Honestly, if folks ignore DTSI (and others) wouldn’t this blog be more productive? More enjoyable?”
dare2 says, “Jeff, that sounds exclusive and intolerant. ONLY LIBERAL views welcome here!”
It was hard to read this thread for the most part 7/8’s of it was everyone against dare2. Then Jeff comes out with his cure all.
First off, How many more discussions will deal with Bachmann and this issue?
And secondly, sinc the left outnumbers the Right here 10 - 1, maybe it would have been a good idea for dare to back off. Let the remaining group have their fun. They can daisy chain up and really get down to it.
So instead of responding to the substance you stick right with the diversion Brian. And pile on with your own clever brand of teenage slang meant as a slur.
The crux of it is, as has been pointed out by many posters here, Bachmann doesn’t understand the sectarian issues one iota and the more she tries to explain what she really means after all the more she shows that to be true.
But of course that’s something Brian and others would like to distract us all from. It’s worked so well in the past for the WH and their ignorance about the same issues. But the operative words here are ‘in the past’.
I’m curious when we will stop discussing the “symptom” and start addressing the “cure.” Bachmann getting in front of the microphone and saying something completely stupid should not come as a shock to anyone, should it?
I live in the 6th and saying that I’m embarrassed by Michelle doesn’t even cover it. Mortified - maybe closer.
She obviously doesn’t know what she’s talking about and I absolutely believe that some one else wrote this piece for her. Why anyone is defending her to the end is beyond me. She is an example of why we cannot move the conversation about Iraq forward. We have to talk about talking about it and never get to talk about it.
Nancy, i agree that someone else (perhaps several people) wrote this. The sad fact is that MB attended law school, which is supposed to teach you how to think, write and speak intelligently without accepting anything at face value. She has proven, on several occasions that she is incapable of, as i said earlier of “string[ing] together a coherent thought, nor can she understand and then accurately represent the facts of situations pertaining to foreign policy, history, science, education, equal rights or the Constitution; i do enjoy the bigotry and nonsensical religious views though. (So, that’s a plus.)”
We must try to enjoy the ineptitude of Rep. Bachmann as some sort of quaint reminder that Democracy may, from time to time, present an opportunity for this type of situation to arise and then correct itself the next time around.
“…and then correct itself the next time around.”
Let’s hope it does, Mike. But I do not consider equal but opposite to be any sort of correction. I fear that will be the most likely outcome.
“…sad fact is that MB attended law school…”
Bachmann took her JD from the Coburn School of Law, which is affiliated with Oral Roberts University.
Coburn is a “Bible based” law school that essentially teaches that Constitutional law is subservient to the Bible.
swell.
Yo Officer and Brian!
Stop with the BS! Please pay attention to the issue at hand and contribute your perspectives or go away.
Thank you for the info JonR,
I have yet to find “Oral Roberts University or O.W. Coburn School of Law” on the list of ABA accredited schools, nor have i found it on my favorite law school websites (such as lawschoolnumbers-dot-com).
Swell indeed Jay…
“… have yet to find “Oral Roberts University or O.W. Coburn School of Law…”
Isn’t that strange? Bachmann claims a JD from this law school, but try to find that law school on any accredited list of law schools! In fact, I’ve tried several Google searches for Coburn and found nothing. Also, if you look at the Oral Roberts University website, there is no mention of the law school!
gosh, a politician fibbed? Well, I never! I suppose MB’s supporters even watch Pat Robertson begging for money after the local news?
JonR and Mike, you may have hit upon a major scandal.
Where did Michelle B get her law degree from, Star-Trib? And was it an ABA accredited school?
Mike says
“We must try to enjoy the ineptitude of Rep. Bachmann as some sort of quaint reminder that Democracy may, from time to time, present an opportunity for this type of situation to arise and then correct itself the next time around.”
Has anyone yet published the odds of the GOP challenging her for her seat in the ‘08 primary?
“…Where did Michelle B get her law degree from, Star-Trib? And was it an ABA accredited school?…”
Bachmann does claim a degree from William and Mitchell Law School, a widely respected institution. But her JD? Is Coburn even accredited?
I know. Let’s ask Kersten to investigate….ROFLMAO.
JonR and euzious,
(sorry to keep harping on this, but here is what i’ve been able to find out.)
I called Oral Roberts and inquired about the law school. I was informed that it closed at some point during the 1980’s. You can look through the history of ABA accredited schools and nowhere am i seeing Oral Roberts or Coburn as ever having being accredited.
Wikipedia does say that she got her LLM at William & Mary in tax law (as JonR mentions), which of course has an accredited and a fairly good JD program.
Post-JD programs, such as LLM, are not accredited by the ABA and vary widely in quality from school to school. They are typically one year specialized programs. (if you search ‘Post JD / Non JD ABA’ you can find the ABA page about them.)
It still begs the question of what type of education she got during the JD (Juris Doctor) process.
Brian G.,
Good observation! I’ve been watching this anti-Bachmannfest and it’s clear that liberal democrats outnumber common sense conservatives by about 10 to 1.
They really like to hog pile on when they think they are on to something, but the truth is that Michele Bachmann is right about Iran. They really do want to control as much of Iraq as they possibly can.
One thing I’ve noticed though is that these anti-Bachmann liberals seem to post frequently using different names giving a false impression of their numbers. Pretty sneaky!
dare2sayit.com says:”One thing I’ve noticed though is that these anti-Bachmann liberals seem to post frequently using different names giving a false impression of their numbers. Pretty sneaky!”
That statement sounds as if it’s based purely on conjecture. Can you substantiate this claim? Are you somehow able to see IP addresses when we cannot?
No Mike,
But I have noticed how many liberals are constantly changing there name to fit their point of view. Many have changed names simply to mock my name. Are you saying to haven’t noticed this? To blindly assume these liberals are first time commenters is rediculous.
Well, do we demonic lib’ruls outnumber you common sense (ha-ha!) “conservatives” 10 to 1 or not? Are our apparent numbers real or sneakily manufactured?
FWIW, I’m a new commenter here….honest!
Thanks for the response dare2sayit.com,
Sorry i haven’t noticed that. Although, i haven’t been paying close attention to the names of those posting unless i am responding to their point. So, if a person(s) has been mocking you, I will give you the benefit of the doubt there.
To tell you the truth this is the first thread I’ve commented on and yes perhaps a one time name or two may be repeat posters; however, i don’t think this should be stated as an absolute truth without proof or assume everyone of them is the same person. It just doesn’t seem necessary to make it out as if it’s a conspiracy to inflate numbers. (Not that you really called it a conspiracy or directly insinuated some sort of plot, you said “sneaky.”)
Sorry to digress off point everyone. Since you responded to my questions, it seemed appropriate to respond to yours. 
Mike, DTSI is the king of mocking posters names. It’s his way of demeaning what they say. Just keep an eye on his posts and you’ll see that.
His claim of liberals changing their names has been a long term claim of his along with the claim that many posters here are Strib employees. Keep an eye out for that one too. It pops up periodically.
I have a theory, well actually it’s a piece of wisdom that came from my own mother a long time ago, those who yell the loudest have the most to hide. In other words, I’d guess he’s doing what he accuses others of. I’ve noticed how posters with other names mirror very closely how he states things. Pure conjecture on my part of course.
The only relevance this has to this thread is that since the BQ has posted about Bachmann’s comments and was linked to and mentioned on Jason Lewis’s show many additional posters have added their comments. Not just those critical of Bachmann additional supporters of her too but clearly more critical so he’s just trying to diminish the appearance that few people support what she said.
“…But I have noticed how many liberals are constantly changing there name to fit their point of view…”
Please provide specific incidents where this has happened and prove that some posters are using more than one screen name.
“…One thing I’ve noticed though is that these anti-Bachmann liberals …”
Is it possible to be an educated liberal and not oppose Bachmann’s homophobic, bigoted agenda?
dare2 WAS SO ENAMORED BY MY UTTERLY OVERWHELMINGLY ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF HIM & HIS PARTY - HE BRIEFY ADOPTED THE TAG I PINNED ON HIM: CHEAP-LABOR CONSERVATIVE.
ONCE HIS FOGGY little mind must have FINALLY REALIZED THAT HE’D BEEN LABELED FOR LIFE - HE DITCHED IT!
Ha Ha Ha Ha!
American Liberal Philosopher say:
“dare2 WAS SO ENAMORED BY MY UTTERLY OVERWHELMINGLY ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF HIM & HIS PARTY - HE BRIEFY ADOPTED THE TAG I PINNED ON HIM: CHEAP-LABOR CONSERVATIVE.
ONCE HIS FOGGY little mind must have FINALLY REALIZED THAT HE’D BEEN LABELED FOR LIFE - HE DITCHED IT!
Ha Ha Ha Ha! ”
Wrong. None of this ever happened!
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Mike, thanks for they reply as well. I can’t prove my point about people changing there names to appear that the liberals have a larger mob, must it appears that way to me.
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Yes, it is possible to be an educated liberal and not oppose Bachmann’s agenda.
Dare2, forgive the mentally challenged, they know not what they do. That was actually me, not you, but I expect her to make mistakes.
Dora said:
“I have a theory, well actually it’s a piece of wisdom that came from my own mother a long time ago, those who yell the loudest have the most to hide. In other words, I’d guess he’s doing what he accuses others of. I’ve noticed how posters with other names mirror very closely how he states things. Pure conjecture on my part of course. ”
Actually, if you listen to Limbaugh, Lewis, Hanratty (purposeful), or Soucheray, you will notice that Repubs spew the same PARANOID rants as these high-paid talk radio personalities. Repubs do not have an original idea to their names - - they simply quote the “sources”. And where do the “sources” acquire their hate-filled venom? From the WH, of course.
And I must comment on everyone begging Eric Black to “go after” Bachmann. That is a fine idea, but if he were to do so, and he were to uncover and log her obvious ineptitude at holding this esteemed office based upon FACT(S), he would be demonized by the Right Wing talking heads as that “Liberal who writes for the ‘Red Star’.”
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t….
Ho,hum…
Getting pretty tired of rants on both sides here.
I THINK the question is more about what was said than about who said it. And I THINK that question has been pretty well aired by all except those with political agendas.
Next topic, please?
Mr. Iacono:
I believe that it is you that is missing the point.
Michele Bachmann has a history of drawing negative attention to herself.
Sadly, the voters in the 6th District were oblivious or immune to her previous exploits.
She was a bad candidate and has proven to be an even WORSE Representative for Minnesota.
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