Year of the Incumbent?
February 1st, 2008 – 11:45 AM by Kevin DiazWASHINGTON — Year-end money reports on the U.S. House races with the greatest chance of being competitive in Minnesota suggest that this may be the year of the incumbent.
Challengers across the state seem to be having a hard time raising cash.
In the north suburban Sixth District, where Democrats are pinning hopes of gaining another seat, freshman Republican Michele Bachmann raised over $300,000 in the last three months of 2007, more than any other incumbent House member from Minnesota. She now has $795,653 in cash on hand to defend her seat.
Democratic challenger and former state transportation commissioner Elwyn Tinklenberg took in over $133,000 over the same period, bringing him to $96,000 in cash on hand.
Democratic rival Bob Olson, a tax attorney and banker, brought in just a little more than $26,000 in the last quarter, but it gave him $92,000 in the bank, not far behind the much better-known Tinklenberg.
Although the national Democratic effort to oust Bachmann has already attracted spending by independent left-leaning groups who dislike her social conservatism, the two Democratic candidates vying to run against her still have a ways to go to compete financially.
In southern Minnesota’s First District, which Republicans are hoping to make competitive, Democratic freshman Tim Walz raised $249,000 in the last quarter, giving him over $750,000 cash on hand.
Walz’s fundraising prowess, though lagging behind Bachmann, still dwarfs that of the three Republicans vying to take him on.
State Sen. Dick Day of Owatonna raised nearly $53,000 in the last quarter, bringing him to nearly $96,000 in the bank. But his war chest - the biggest of the three challengers - includes a $23,000 loan he made to his own campaign last year. He also put in $7,000 of his own money.
Brian Davis, a Mayo Clinic doctor, took in nearly $60,000 in contributions over the same period, leaving him with $85,000 at year’s end. But he also had to self-finance to the tune of $46,000.
State Rep. Randy Demmer of Hayfield reported nearly $35,000 in total contributions over the last three months. Overall, Demmer has raised more than $70,000 for his campaign, but has spent more than twice that. He ended the year with about $42,000 in cash on hand - but only after making loans to his campaign totaling $135,000.
In the Second District race south of the Twin Cities, Republican Rep. John Kline reported fourth quarter contributions of over $170,000, bringing him to $395,000 in cash on hand. By comparison, his latest Democratic challenger, Iraq war veteran Steve Sarvi, reported only $43,000 in contributions, not counting a 10,000 loan from himself.
This does not bode well for Democrats, who would like to think they have a chance in a traditionally Republican district that went to Democrat Amy Klobuchar in last year’s Senate race.
But Sarvi, so far, is not keeping up with the last Democratic effort to unseat Kline. At this stage in the race in 2006, DFL hopeful Coleen Rowley had more than $84,000 in campaign cash, more than twice Sarvi’s bank balance. She went on to lose handily to Kline.
Kevin Diaz
Conrad Wilson
264 Responses to "Year of the Incumbent?"
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FBI sources indicate that 36% of Bachmann’s funding comes from fellow hot crazy chick Britney Spears.
I think the numbers in the House are something like 95% of all incumbents get re-elected.
Let’s see…Dems picked up like 32 seats in 2006…so yeah, that’s somthing like 7% turnover.
Sarge,
The Hollywood limosine liberal left is as anti-Bachmann as you can get, which is fine by me.
It always amazes me how liberals just can’t stand it when a woman or member of a minority group dares to be conservative. I’m glad they seem to have let up on Condi Rice though.
FBI sources indicate that 36% of Bachmann’s funding comes from fellow hot crazy chick Britney Spears
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Yah, that’s when she’s sober, she sent 1 million to Elwyn during her binges, but he’s still only got 96K after raisng 133K last quarter.
Musta missed a lot of commercials for Elwyn here lately.
I don’t have a problem with Conservative women…just the batsh1t crazy ones like MB 
I heard on the news last night that Limbaush was bashing McCain. Kinda funny, but then I see this:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Wow..Coulter endorses Clinton
Wonder how long it’ll be before Hill claims it’s a GOP plot..
Wonder what they’ve got against Mitt.
Whata race..
Limbaugh bashing McCain probably seals the victory for him. The guy is such a huge hit with independants and moderates that the party will have to give him the endorsement.
dare2: “It always amazes me how liberals just can’t stand it when a woman or member of a minority group dares to be conservative.”
I agree in principle. However, as it pertains to Bachmann, I don’t think being a conservative has as much to do with it as being s psychotic religious nutjob. Moderate conservatives don’t go for that either.
I agree Jay.
Kinda nice to be able to support a candidate without somebody claiming your a Limbaugh or Coulter clone for a change.
I saw Ann Coulter on Hannity & Colmes. She’s serious — not because she’s changing her politics, but because she thinks McCain is more liberal than Hillary.
Mitt is definately the more conservative of the two, but I don’t understand what it is about McCain that triggers so much animosity. Rush can’t stand the guy either…I don’t get it…
Jay — you gotta watch it with those comments — if you’re not 110% in lock-step with the GOP, you’re a liberal.
“I’m glad they seem to have let up on Condi Rice though.”
Condi Rice has been promoted beyond her ability level. Her predecessor was a far superior selection for Secretary of State. I will say she has been impressive in putting a hold on the Cheney doctrine of foreign policy, though I think some credit goes to Gates as well. Rice-Gates can neutralize Cheney. Rice didn’t have had a chance against Cheney-Rumsfeld.
You calling me a liberal Sarge..
Them’s fightin words!!!
SGT: “Jay — you gotta watch it with those comments — if you’re not 110% in lock-step with the GOP, you’re a liberal.”
I’m still searching for the group I am 100% lock step with. So far, I am a group of 1.
“So far, I am a group of 1.”
Better that than to have someone else do your thinking for you.
About Condi;
I’ve always wondered how seriously she is taken by muslim leaders. They dont have the best record when it comes to women’s rights.
Of course, then they elected Bhouto in Pakistan. But she was the daughter of a male national leader.
For those of you who dont like any of the 4 candidates:
“Better that than to have someone else do your thinking for you.”
….my what, now?
anyone think GWB will get hired as Major Leage Baseball Commissioner after Selig’s current contract is up?
Here’s to the almighty Buffalo Les!
That’s the first I’ve heard of Dubya being commissioner — wouldn’t he need to buy back the Rangers (or some other team) to be the commissioner?
“anyone think GWB will get hired as Major Leage Baseball Commissioner after Selig’s current contract is up?”
That job might suit him better than his current one. Same goes for Rice & the NFL Commissioner job, which she has expressed interest in, in the past.
America will have a female President before we will have a female NFL Commissioner.
….and for the record, I don’t believe either will happen anytime soon.
When will America have it’s first social*st President?
On “nut jobs”
We Minnesotans LOVE nut jobs!
Wellstone, Jesse, Rudy…we have a long love affair with them.
And they often do pretty well for us, too!
First Socialist? for this election any dem will do.
Obama has the #1 rating as the most liberal member of the Senate.
Look the two dem candidates, socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth.
First soci**ist President?
Any dem will do. Obama was just named the most liberal Senator. Look at the dem platform. From heath care to redistribution of wealth
John, don’t forget Ellison and McCollum
Sarge - In 2004, incumbents seeking reelection to the House had a better than 99% success rate. In the Senate, 25 out of 26 (96%) were reelected.
I especially liked one of your previous posts claiming that poor people pay over $100 in sales tax per month on groceries. What is Minnesota’s sales tax rate on groceries again? Hmm. I could probably find that somehow. Could you give me your source, since I am feeling liberal and don’t want to work hard to find it.
It must be tough to be fact illiterate. And it does make you look like an idiot.
“scarface says:
February 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pm
First soci**ist President?
Any dem will do. Obama was just named the most liberal Senator. Look at the dem platform. From heath care to redistribution of wealth”
That’s right! The typical American isn’t interested in health insurance, or more equitably distributing the nation’s wealth and income!!
No, sir! We like getting a raw deal, you’d better believe it! Because we’re stupid masochists, and that’s the American way.
Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com
Check out:
“Help the Poor? Edwards Can’t Be Bothered”
at Rudely Stamped
Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com
CNC it was simple example to make my point without using a calculator…didn’t I make that clear? All the other posters in that thread understood it. Don’t understand why you had such a hard time. I’ll refrain from writing above your grade level next time, okay?
D2 we won’t have a socialist president until the Michigan Militia finds out that the mafia’s black UN helicopters killed Kennedy and caused 911, and after the Soviet Union wins World War III.
Hmmmm…I wonder why that post was rejected…
CNC, my post about groceries was clearly a simplified example to make my point, which everyone seemed to understand except you. Next time, I’ll write a response that’s at your grade level, okay?
D2, our first socialist president will be after the Michigan Milita discovers the mafia assassintated kennedy with its black UN helicopters, which also caused 911, skin bugs, and the mural at the Denver airport. Oh, and it’ll be after they beat the Soviet Union in World War 3.
Well, I suppose one can always say any year is the Year of the Incumbent in American politics.
But apparently Mr. Diaz is focusing just on certain MN House incumbents, and not the situation nationally. With 28 (so far) announced Repub House retirements, this ain’t gonna be the year of GOoPer incumbents nationally, whatever may happen in MN. The conservative rats are fleeing the sinking USS GOoP, having done yeoman service in destroying the country, its finances and its future.
Here in increasingly conservative MN, where the thinking is shaky at best, the slim majority of white suburban/exurban residents of Bachmannistan and south-of-the-river New Klinea are pretty happy with their crazed right wing incumbent extremist, and it looks like the Bible n’ Gay obsessed Michele and Col Klink are in no danger of being involuntarily retired.
Thus their foolish constituents content themselves with hopleless minority party back benchers, whose ineffectiveness and anonymity as legislators is so pronounced they could show up naked on the floor and no one would notice, including the supposedly super-hot Ms. Bachmannistan.
Kline received a “zero” score on his horrendous environmental voting record from the Sierra Club, I believe, and is simply a “Cut Taxes, More Bombing!” militarist tub thumper. The residents of New Klinea may as well not have a rep in the Dem Congress as have this throwback to failed Bushism.
And so much has been written about the woeful ignorance and abject foolery of the simpleton Bachmann that one hardly need add to it. Again, the suburban Bachmannistanians may as well not have a rep in Congress as have this non-existent backbencher, whose only publicity involves some form of comic buffoonery out of her mouth.
I don’t really know the history of the creation of New Klinea and Bachmannistan as districts. My guess is they were gerrymandered to favor their sitting Repub rep, and likely contain around 45% Dems and Dem leaners—who are thus held hostage to non-representation in the House. Bachmann didn’t even get 50% of the vote in her maiden voyage, I believe, so her perch is not (in theory) all that secure.
And it would be interesting where most of her money has come from. Is she one who receives a lot of monetary “attention” from outside her district?
I disagree with you on that Sgt. The point you were trying to make was that low income people pay this mysterious “high percentage” of their income in taxes via other channels than fed income tax. The illustration you threw out there (without thinking it all the way through, I suspect) involved groceries, which was pointed out to be a poor example because we don’t tax most groceries.
I agree that many low income folks who don’t pay fed income tax do end up paying taxes in other ways. While groceries may not be one of them, taxes on tobacco and alcohol probably are. There are many ways in which we collect taxes. It irritates me that people who would claim to not be able to afford them still find the money to buy crap they don’t really need. Luckily, most of those things are taxed.
Is that a little more reflective of what you were trying to point out?
parthian: “likely contain around 45% Dems and Dem leaners—who are thus held hostage to non-representation in the House.”
There’s goes that damn ‘majority rules’ thing rearing its ugly head again. We really need to find a better way of making decisions than that, I guess.
I can see the lawn signs now….
VOTE HILLARY/BARACK FOR PRESIDENT
“Social*sm is Good!”
So Parth thinks, “Here in increasingly conservative MN,”
If she thinks MN is a conservative state what must a liberal one look like?
There are small enclaves of sanity in the sea of “progressives”. Those mainly being in Klines and Bachmann’s districts. But it is probably only a matter of time until those areas are gone too.
Have any of you read the “Oles” blogs?
Check out what those kids have to say and it is appearant that the schools have done a pretty good job of creating little socialists. BTW they don’t take comments, at least comments that differ from theirs. (Another liberal tenent)
So parth believes..â€Here in increasingly conservative MN†Minnesota is a conservative state? I wonder what a liberal one would look like?
Yes there are small enclaves of sanity in the insane world of “progressive†thinkers.
Those are in the Kline and Bachmann districts. But the conservative numbers are falling fast thanks to our school systems. Has anyone read the “Oles†blogs?
The schools have done a fine job on those kids. BTW they do not take posts the dissent with their opinions. (Another tenant of the liberal)
Not exactly Jay — a *higher* percentage of their income for other taxes, not *high*.
When you’re poor, you don’t really have a lot of money for entertainment, so you generally spend more on alcohol and tobacco. While it’s optional, it’s still tax revenue.
Groceries probably wasn’t the best choice to use…but gas is taxed, your phone bill is taxed…rent isn’t taxed directly but if you rent, part of that goes to pay the property tax of the building owner. I guess I don’t like the suggestion that poor people don’t pay taxes, because they do.
In the context of a stimulus package, I don’t think poor people should be left out because they don’t pay as much taxes — they’re much more likely to spend the check, so I think they should get it.
Scarface,
You’re right. Liberal indoctrination is alive and well in our public schools.
Hard to talk to Sarge about the poor. He has come across as an expert and their champion in many posts. Do you believe that these poor are that way because society as selected them to be poor, or do you think that they are responsible for the situations they are in? Sure there are those that are handicapped, and mentally challenged (is this a PC term?). But just about all of these people receive Gov’t help in one form or the other. There are many more poor people because of the decisions they made, or their parents made. I really do not have much sympathy for this group. I came from a poor family. My dad and mom were very young and it took many years for my dad to get a job that supported us reasonably well. He had many jobs that sucked and he persevered.
To claim that people will not spend money on entertainment is ridiculous.
I think government is to blame for people being poor as well. The motivationally challenged will take the path of least resistance, and if that means living on comfortably on welfare over getting educated and finding a job, they will take it.
Also, liberal democrats love it when people are dependant on the government, thus all the government programs they push. It means more votes for them.
Either of you guys ever read an actual book by an expert on poverty?
It’s not called a “cycle of poverty” for nothing. And social mobility in BushAmerica is declining by all measurements.
Conservative white males aren’t exactly the most persuasive group to be gassing on about “personal responsibility” and poverty, being from the demographic class that usually has the most societal benefits made available to them as children—functioning schools, stable families and neighborhoods, non-existent discrimination. Yet that’s the group that’s usually making all these informed observations about personal responsibility and “makin’ it on their own efforts”…..
And for you two, I guess modern secular education = “liberal indoctrination”. Amazing how “liberal indoctrination” worked out for you two MN 40-somethings, isn’t it? How did you ever survive and “overcome” it?
We are returning to a wealth master/poor servant economic model as a result of “conservative” economics, so expect to see poverty continually increasing until the crappy “conservative movement” is destroyed politically.
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“cycle of povertyâ€, BushAmerica, Conservative white males, modern secular education, wealth master/poor servant economic model….
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OK, Karl Marx. I think we understand you pretty well.
By the way Partisan, my condolances in the killing of Al-Qaida commander Abu Laith al-Libi on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. It must deeply sadden you that “BushAmerica” is making real progress in the global war on Islamic terror.
I know a little bit about being poor, although lots of people had it much worse than I ever did.
It’s wrong to label poor people “motivationally challenged” if you know nothing about their situation. Children of poor people have parents who are often alcoholic, abusive, and don’t know how to take care of kids. So their children grow up less healthy, with less education, and with less self-confidence; and they don’t have cognative ability that you and I take for granted. More importantly, they end up feeling like they’re not good enough to “make it” in the world, and they suffer from low ambition, which makes them more likely to develop the same problems their parents had — that’s the cycle of poverty D2, and most conservatives (including Bush) and liberals agree that something needs to be done to fix it.
So is it their own fault they’re poor? Maybe, but the fact is they don’t have the same tool set that you and I do.
And so what’s the solution? I don’t know, but I think reducing unwanted pregnancies and educating parents on how to raise healthy kids will make a big dent.
But blaming them for their own troubles is wrong.
Quick example: My brother in law was told he was “retarded” every day of his life until he was 13 years old. His mother was an abusive drug addict. Deep down, he’s convinced he’s dumb - so he never finished high school. Now he’s 40 and drifts from low paying job to low paying job.
Is it his fault that he’s the way he is? I’d say it’s about 25% his fault, 75% not.
Sarge,
Some people will live in bad situations which result in poverty, but what I’m complaining about is poverty generated by our liberal welfare system which rewards irresponsibility. When you pay poor single mothers to have additional illegitamate children, you’re using tax dollars to make the problem worse.
And yes, many people are motivationally challenged and need a kick in the a$$ instead of a welfare check.
I do favor helping people out who are in situations they can’t control however.
I’m also against giving welfare to immigrants as soon as they get here. We should not be importing poverty at taxpayers expense.
Sarge, Didn’t I mention that there are those that are “mentally challenged” and these people deserve our help and compassion.
I think parth’s solution is to GIVE the able poor money just to make them wealthier. If a woman, single, has 4 or five kids at the age of 25 the solution is to THROW MONEY at her. After all she couldn’t help it. Take it from the rich, they made it off the backs of the poor anyway!
I have a sink or swim attitude. I have been treading water in my life and I am high and dry now. And nobody gave me a GD thing.
Parth, have you ever sat in a city classroom? I have a friend that is a Mpls cop in the Mpls HS system. His job is to protect the teachers. He cannot believe the anarchy that goes on in some classes. Teacher teaching 2 kids trying to learn 28 F-ing around and the teacher if he/she says anything is verbally abused. Good schools start, run, end with parents. parents are the key.
Well, I can see you’ve got your ideological blinders on this afternoon, so nevermind.
Tell me how the system rewards irresponsibility? Do you even know how long someone can be on Welfare before being kicked off?
And so you complain about these women having illegitimate kids, but I’m sure you’d be against “liberal” programs that would give them birth control or family planning eduction, right?
Tell me about these “motivationally challlenged” people? How do you propose they get that well-deserved kick in the a$$? A government program perhaps?
People like you complain about everything, but offer ZERO solutions. Say what you will about the liberals but at least they’re tyring.
…and scarface, I don’t see anything in Parthian’s post about giving people money just to make them wealthier. Republicans won welfare reform, guys. That was in 1995.
I think Parthian went a little far in calling you guys names, but the point is none of us really know what it’s like to be poor. So how can we say it’s their own fault?
…Scarface, you hit the nail on the head about parents. That’s the source of the problem. ANd it’s not that their irresponsible or don’t care — many of them work two or three jobs to make ends meet, and don’t have the resources to get their kids in sports or daycare or afterschool activities.
Many of them work NO jobs. Just how many poor work 3 jobs? Not too many.
You are talking very small %’s here sarge.
Here is parth’s statement, she says.
“We are returning to a wealth master/poor servant economic model as a result of “conservative†economics, so expect to see poverty continually increasing until the crappy “conservative movement†is destroyed politically.”
This is brilliant. Once we destroy morality, common sense, personal responsibility, the fabric of society that has kept this country together. Then the poor will have money.
Workers of the World Unite!!
(I heard this somewhere before)
So sarge, what do you think is parth’s solution other than revolution?
Now in the short term I guess we have to give the poor money. Where does this come from? Life’s lessons are often tough to learn. and the liberal entitlements do nothing to better their education.
Sarge,
Throwing taxpayer money at our current welfare system is like giving water and fertilizer to weeds. By the way, there was supposed to be a time limit now on welfare, but the liberals have watered the rules on that down so bad that people can virtually stay on the dole indefinately. This system should be a temporary and short term solution, not a way of life.
You also say:
“And so you complain about these women having illegitimate kids, but I’m sure you’d be against “liberal†programs that would give them birth control or family planning eduction, right?”
Wrong. I think it would be a great idea to REQUIRE some sort of birth control in order to collect welfare. When did I say anything about being against birth conrol.
Again, the trillions we have spent on welfare has only made the problem worse. Look at North Moneyapolis for example. I used to live on 23rd & Lyndale N. in the 60’s and early 70’s and it was a pretty nice area, but the vast majority of us have been displaced by people from cities like Chicago and Gary who came here for a bigger welfare check. The problems that come along with rewarding irresponsible behaviour are obvious when you see what a war zone my old neighborhood has become.
I hope comrade Partisan fills us in on how the Obama rally went today. I can hardly wait!
“Also, liberal democrats love it when people are dependant on the government, thus all the government programs they push.”
Dammit, D2SI. I have really grown tired of you again. You talk about people “improving” themselves, yet your thinking - if anything - regresses every day.
Government spending under GWBush grew at the fastest rates seen since LBJ. Under the Democratic administration preceding GWB, budgets were balanced. (And GHWBush set the stage for them, too.)
So open your eyes on the issue of gov’t largesse:
****US military spending is the biggest welfare program in the history of the world****
Your flaccid mind, along with millions like it, is exactly what’s wrong with this country.
Why don’t you personally join the Border Patrol or go fight in Iraq and leave all us thinking Minnesotans alone, douche bag.
Or, at least, get a girlfriend and stay out of discussions where you not only add nothing but in fact detract from the quality.
Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogpsot.com
“I think it would be a great idea to REQUIRE some sort of birth control in order to collect welfare.”
Great, D2SI: We’ll bring back the eugenics movement and forcibly sterilize YOU - your progeny would be a drag on society, that’s obvious.
MB
“scarface says:
February 2nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Workers of the World Unite!!
(I heard this somewhere before)”
You’re damm right, you did: in the US a century ago when our workers were often children, and factories and mines were terribly dangerous.
Unions improved working conditions and salaries and helped create the great American middle class.
So, unless you don’t belong to the middle class, I suggest shutting your stup!d trap on the issue and stop being such an ignorant masochist, you piece of sh!t.
MB
I’m becoming more and more convinced that we need to subject citizens to an IQ test before letting them vote.
Stupid people, as Toqueville might have predicted, are ruining this country.
MB
Sarge - I like how you explain your lie: “it is just a simplified example”. As you have claimed many times before, you don’t have the energy to look for real facts unless someone points you specifically to them. In fact, we do pay taxes on certain groceries (candy and pop for example) but with your “example”, if we applied our sales tax to groceries, this poor person would be spending 150% of their income each month.
Sarge - you also claim “none of us knows what it is really like to be poor”. Maybe in your world that is true. In mine, I meet poor folks every week. Maybe you need to get out of your ivory tower and help out at a local shelter or food kitchen. Or talk to the folks around you.
There are poor folks everywhere. Help them. Give them a job. You will be pleasantly surprised. Most folks want to be contributing members of society. YOu might even meet a few immigrants. And you can decide whether to discriminate against them or hire them -they might be illegals you know.
Our welfare system does what it can to keep them depending on government.
Of course, you wouldn’t want to put your personal money where your mouth is would you? It is much easier to spend other peoples money and not have to lift a finger to help.
As for Michael Blaine, we know that unions ruined everything they touch. Look at the US auto industry as an example. You can always hire union workers yourself Michael. I will guarantee you will overpay and the work with be substandard.
As far as keeping our mouths shut, at least we can keep up a civil discourse without resorting to extreme namecalling and swearing. A bit of sarcasm or dry humor is always welcome.
God bless you Michele!
“Most folks want to be contributing members of society”
That is one of the most condescending phrases around.
Who are you, CnC, to define who is a “contributing member of society”?
You mean someone who lives just like you do, right?
Michael Blaine
www.rudelystamped.blogspot.com
“we know that unions ruined everything they touch”
It would be delightful if you could say that to the millions of American kids who used to work in sweatshops.
Or any American factory or mine worker who used to work 14 hours a day, six days a week.
MB
You guys keep talking about how the welfare system “throws money at people” When was the last time you heard anyone screaming about welfare reform? It’s been years. Like I said, the Republicans won on this issue in 1995.
CNC, stop being an @$$hole for 5 minutes okay? It’s rude of you to make some statement and expect people to do YOUR research for you. Back it up, or (to quote Richard Pryor) have a Coke and a smile and shut the fcuk up!
It’s the same reason why people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. It’s harder to prove innocence than prove guilt.
OT’s been providing sources, scarface has been providing sources — he11 even D2’s been doing it. Why are you such a whiner? I thought conservatives were supposed to be tough?
“I thought conservatives were supposed to be tough?”
Like the two draft dodgers and the one cheerleader in the White House?
MB
Democrat=Obama=Social*sm
“Like the two draft dodgers and the one cheerleader in the White House?”
BM,
Bill Clinton hasn’t been in the White House for almost 8 years!
See
The Real Meaning of “Anchor Baby”
at
Rudely Stamped
Michael Blaine
www.rudelstamped.blogspot.com
isn’t there a way to screen out garbage advertizements?
Just before Bachmann was elected to Congress, I warned IP candidate John Binkowski and several other IP fans that if she got into that Sixth District seat–we’d never get rid of her.
The money advantage, you see. And the fact that it’s a GOP-carved district. If the IP had worked to knock off Bachmann that year, they’d have had a good shot at knocking off the Democrat in this year’s election.
But noooooooo… The IP had to make its stand in the Sixth, blowing off wisdom (”it’s better for third party types to have a weak Dem in the 6th, than a strong GOP nut”) in favor of idiocy (”We can’t support the Dem against the GOP candidate, even if the GOP candidate *is* an out-and-out, black helicopter conspiracy touting nut.”)
So, the out-and-out, black helicopter conspiracy touting nut got in; and she’s going to stay in–that’s what the numbers (money and voter totals) say now, anyway. The Republican Party and the wing nuts of the Sixth District thank you, Independence Party, for providing them with a virtually permanent lock on that congressional seat for the foreseeable future.
Strib reporter Kevin Diaz, by the way, sometimes functions as a de facto Bachmann publicist. During the 2006 campaign, he reported that Michele Bachmann was “a child safety advocate” (like her opponent Patty Wetterling.) Yes, he printed that in the newspaper; before the election. No, he was not fired for that. In fact, I think he was promoted…
Bill:
Thanks for pointing out specific cases of the lack of critical reporting, or worse, on the part of the Strib.
MB
Bill,
Are you liberals still whining about the fact that Michele Bachmann won? Well I’m glag she did. If Patty Wetterling would have won, she would have been another rubber stamp for liberal idiots like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who have RECORD low approval ratings by the way.
And you will also notice the we are starting to have an economic slowdown now that the dem’s control both Houses. Imagine the recession well have if the tax and spend liberal democrats take control of the White House as well. I’m hoping that voters aren’t stupid enough to allow that to happen, but stranger things have happened.
SgtPendleton says:
Jim you are a sad, and hateful hypocrite and jack@ss. Thank you for giving me a great reason to ignore your posts from now on.
Jim says:
Best news ever, you phoney-baloney. I see even on this thread you are
Mr. F-bomb, Kind of like Blainy.
But again, if you can’t win on intelligence, always go for the vulgarity.
First rule for bad comedians, so must be true for low IQ bloggers, too.
Sad and hateful? Sarge, No, I get more laughs from the lefty loser know-it-alls
here than anywhere else. But again, you and Parth are the mighty
posters of the BQ’s field of , what, 8 people. Woo-eee. You guys rock!
One need only look your quality of posts and language on this blog site.
At least Bill has reappeared to give a sembelance of dignity to the left’s unending
hate-filled schtick.
P.S. to Parth:
I was taken aback last night at Ruth Chris’s—quite quiet when we arrived
at 5.
Fortunately, by 5:30 it was packed, with tons of people willing to pay 36 bucks a Filet.
And Sarge, who can be sad or hateful when dining at Ruth Chris? Even when people
like you and Parth mock the health issues of myself, I can still remember to smile
and be thankful for this great country.
Ignore away, Sarge Loserman! It is all about YOU, afterall.
Sarge,
Your rebuttal? Oh wait, liberals don’t get up this early.
Bill Prendergast says:
So, the out-and-out, black helicopter conspiracy touting nut got in; and she’s going to stay in–
Look who’s back! What you been up to?
Did you see our enemy may have used mentally handicapped people for suicide bombings?
Could they be any more despicable? Or outrageous? Hitler-esque?
It could be easy to dismiss (”it’s over there…”) or black humor (”now BQ blogger X
really doesn’t want to visit Iraq….”) this, but this is just awful. I am amazed this
story hasn’t dominated the news coverage. I guess it shows how nothing truly shocks anymore.
This is an unimaginable evil, it is real, and we better stay focused.
As I’ve said before: I’ll put the school performance, education level, income, employment,
or (lack of )crime numbers of the 6th district constituents against those in an Ellison or McCollum
district any day, any time. And while now more than ever, righties may not be lovin’ the Bush/Dem
economic decisions (worthless tax rebate, 5 million awards to guy doing his job, when the gov’t
is broke), the nearly 7 year attack-free run here is noteworthy. Good luck to the next President
matching that one. The 6th district gets it, and it demands excellence.
Bachmann will win because she gets the role of government. End of story.
Bill P,
Your rebuttal? Oh wait, liberals don’t get up this early. You know, “Early to bed, early to rise…..”
“Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for youâ€
-Barack Hussein Obama (most liberal member of the Senate)
President Obama
Sec. of Defense Joe Biden
Sec. of State Bill Richardson
Attorney General John Edwards
Senate Majority Leader Hillary Clinton
Fall asleep tonight, dreaming of that D2. America’s experiment with fascism is over. Reaganism is dead. Get over it.
Maybe you right Richard, but it would be sad if social*sm infected America like that. I don’t think that’s what our Founding Fathers had in mind.
D2, tell me what you’ve been right on ever. Since you don’t really have a firm grasp of reality, I don’t pay a lot of attention to your posts but since you say it would be sad if socialism “infects” America, I have to ask, “Why?” Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, England, Luxemborg, all have higher standards of living, better health care, healthier populace, better educated poplulace, greater individual freedom. Where’s the downside? If my choice is socialism or your brand of fascism then I’ll pick socialism.
Why? The United States is lagging behind all of Western Europe in much of what we used to be world leaders in. If you’re still tied up with Tail Gunner Joe then you need to do some reading and look at the facts.
GLOBAL WARMING VS. ISLAM
TEHRAN, IRAN - In one of the coldest winters Iranians have experienced in recent memory, the government is failing to provide natural gas to tens of thousands of people across the country, leaving some for days or even weeks with no heat at all.
In the middle of a snowy, icy winter, women have been arrested for not wearing proper Islamic clothing. Hats over head scarves, boots over pants, can bring trouble.
From Sunday’s Strib.
So what d2, you and I know that Algore’s “documentary†cited undisputable facts and according to people like parth “the case is closed†on global warming.
“So what d2, you and I know that Algore’s “documentary†cited undisputable facts and according to people like parth “the case is closed†on global warming.”
Tell that to the Iranians and communist Chinese. China has quit exporting coal because with their brutally cold winter they need it all at home.
Russian climatologists are now saying that the natural warming cycle is now over and we have started a cooling cycle.
I think Partisan likes the thought of “Man Made Global Warming” because he thinks it’s a reason to re-distribute wealth to the third world countries. Kind of like commun*sm.
I think if the socialists win in November like Richard hopes, this is a better cabinet for O’mama
Pres = B.H.O.
Sec of Defense = Dennis Kusinich
Sec of State = Ted Kennedy
Atty Gen = (good pick here). John Edwards
Dept of Homeland Security = Medea Benjamin or Cindy Sheehan?
Dept of Ag =Hugo Chavez
Newly formed Dept of Peace = who else but Keith (Farrakhan) Ellison
I think if the soc**lists win in November like Richard hopes, this is a better cabinet for O’mama
Pres: B.H.O.
Sec of Defense: Dennis Kusinich
Sec of State: Ted Kennedy
Atty Gen: (good pick here). John Edwards
Dept of Homeland Security: Medea Benjamin or Cindy Sheehan?
Dept of Ag:Hugo Chavez
Newly formed Dept of Peace: who else but Keith (Farrakhan) Ellison
Proof for manmade global warming? Proof, we don’t need no stinking proof!
I saw a pic of two polar bears on a melting ice flow. This is enough for me Gdamn it.
Pres: B.H.O.
Sec of Defense: Dennis Kusinich
Sec of State: Ted Kennedy
Atty Gen: (good pick here). John Edwards
Dept of Homeland Security: Medea Benjamin or Cindy Sheehan?
Dept of Ag:Hugo Chavez
Newly formed Dept of Peace: who else but Keith (Farrakhan) Ellison
Scarface,
You’re right. This is more realistic.
I left Hillary out since I would assume to believe O’mama would think she is too conservative.
This group will get or country back into the loving arms of the world.
No wonder you guys are in the last 25%.
If people had to pass an intelligence test to vote, the democrat party wouldn’t stand a chance.
Right Dick?
So what is wrong with my scenario Richard?
I was being sarcastic, but many of those I mantioned are the heart and soul of your party.
Of course that is “mentioned”. But don’t you want to get us out of the war at all costs and go back to the “world” community on bended knee and ask forgiveness and promise to let the UN lead us?
Maybe I have another political party confused with the democrat party?
By the way, whatever happened to liberal wacko’s Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore? They must be Godlike to Dick and Partisan.
Nope, the democrat party is the one kissing up to the corrupt and anti-Semitic UN.
You have it right scarface.
I don’t know, Cindy has not been getting much press after she announced that she was going after Pelosi’s seat.
Hopefully Moore has eaten himself to death.
Gotta run here, have a good day.
I almost hate to step in because you and scarface are having such a nice discussion d2. I’m not going to rebut something that was pulled from two threads ago by a self-hating non-entity. And by the way, I’m ususally up around 5am most days…sorry I didn’t get on sooner — did you miss me?
How many times do we have to point out that climate and weather are not the same thing. Isn’t scarface the one who mentioned this initially? Instead we get “Hey, it was 25 in Tehran today - well, so much for that global warming garbage.”
What’s got your undies in a bundle this fine Sunday?
And by the way D2, disagreeing with the policies of the state of Israel is not the same thing as being anti-Semetic. Even the most conservative Likud party members will tell you that.
BillP: “Just before Bachmann was elected to Congress, I warned IP candidate John Binkowski and several other IP fans that if she got into that Sixth District seat–we’d never get rid of her.”
Welcome back, Bill. The dialogue has been of a lesser caliber in your absense (as you have probably seen).
I’m glad that i don’t live in our district. While some of the blame for lost opportunity may very well fall on the IP party, I still maintain that the majority of the blame falls squarely on the voters. I have pointed this out before, receiving no reaction/response; but in my opinion, Binkowski ran circles around both of his opponents in the televised debate I watched. Yet less than 5% of viewers/voters had the seeds to cast their ballots for the best of the three options.
Instead of “throwing their vote away” they instead chose to throw their district away. Nice job, folks.
Jay, it’s always easy to “blame the voters”, but isn’t it the job of the campaign to get your message out there?
I think the IP has a serious communication problem. On paper, everything about it should be resonating with voters in a HUGE way. Another problem is they view Ventura as a liability, not an asset.
I’d like to see some communication professionals get active with the IP.
SGT: “disagreeing with the policies of the state of Israel is not the same thing as being anti-Semetic.”
I believe this to be a very important point, and one that never seems to get the attention that it deserves. We cannot allow the fear of being falsely labeled ‘anti-semetic’ to prevent us from objectively calling into question some of the policies of Isreal (which, in reality, is oftentimes not too far removed from qualifying as a terrorist state themselves).
I believe this phenomenon will eventually wear itself out, as the public becomes more aware of how/when those cards are played. Kind of like the race card backfired on Clinton(s). The public is a collective sucker…..temporarily.
“Another problem is they view Ventura as a liability, not an asset.”
I think its important to remember that Ventura was a personality, not a party candidate. The IP was conjured as a result of his victory, but he has certainly never been much of a party influence, in my opinion. I tend to lump Ventura into the same group as Mark Dayton, Tom Osborne, Steve Largent, etc. They rode name recognition into office for ‘party xyz’ but from the point-of-view of their respective parties, I think they are a non-factor. I’m not sure how to effectively put that into words, so maybe that doesn’t make much sense.
I agree with you on the need for some communication professionals to be utilized.
SGT: “Jay, it’s always easy to “blame the votersâ€, but isn’t it the job of the campaign to get your message out there?”
Would you agree or disagree that Binkowski presented himself in a more professional, informed manner, with more class and dignity than either Wetterling or Bachmann did?
Other than his age, which you cannot eliminate him upon by itself, why would an informed voter choose either of the other two? Yet, they did. Overwhelmingly.
To be honest, I didn’t pay much attention to the 6th (I don’t live there), but I thought the IP fielded some great candidates in 2006 — I’ve found that generally speaking all IP candidates act with more class and more dignity than Dems and Reps yes.
From what I know of the 6th, it was pretty close there at the end…Maybe people didn’t feel they had the “luxury” to vote IP…it’s the same old 2 party bs.
You guys might not like Michele Bachmann personally, but at least she isn’t a rubber stamp for liberals Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi like her opponent would have been. By the way, the democrat run House has a RECORD LOW approval rating since the libs took control.
No she’s a rubber stamp for neo-conservavtive Dubya, which is worse. Not sure if you noticed, but we’re actually talking about the independence party, not batsh1t crazy people.
You remind me of a teenager who says, “That’s enough of talking about me…What do YOU think of me?”
“No she’s a rubber stamp for neo-conservavtive Dubya, which is worse.”
No true. She takes on much more aggressive stand on controlling our open borders than Bush does. I’ve always said Bush is too liberal on controlling the massive illegal invasion.
Hey Sarge - Nice vulgarity. It seems fitting for someone of your intellect. So you don’t like me poking holes in your “facts” hey? Maybe in the future you could note when you are using “simplified examples”.
MichaelBlame - What is wrong with my statement tha most folks would like to contribute to society? There are many ways to do it but most involve work. So if work is what you are offended by, then I understand.
Welcome back D2SI. What has the lib congress delivered? They stated they were going to end the war. There are currently more troops in Iraq than when they came into office. Weren’t they going to impeach someone? They did hold a lot of hearings. I don’t know if I would call them contributing to society though. They don’t even have the backbone to stand up to President Bush.
CNC, I’m going to change your name to OCD. You’re the only person still talking about it! Poor people don’t pay 10% in taxes on their groceries, okay? Stop perseverating and you’ll feel much better.
You know, ever since I started posting frequently on this blog, my gay-dar has been going off like crazy…There’s a lot of repressed sexuality in this thread I think.
Sarge,
Gay-dar? I guess that explains the extreme liberalism.
What branch and division of the military were you with. The Rump Rangers?
You’re not familiar with the term “gay-dar”? My point is, that often times men who are excessively angry and aggressive are that way because they have repressed sexuality (i.e. they have gay thoughts and feelings but deny it).
They are the most vocally anti-gay people out there. Like Senator Larry Craig - “Mr Family Values” as an example. Giving speeches about how gay people are ruining America, but then living a secret life as a gay man. Also the other 20 or so gay Republican “scandals” of the last two years.
I don’t care if you think I’m gay or not. In fact, I’ll decline to answer that one way or the other, just to stand in unity with all my gay and lesbian friends I’ve known throughout the years.
…and by the way, if the GOP were REALLY smart, they’d be more accepting of gay people. Othern than the gay issue, gay men are probably more conservative than your average straight guy. Ever hear of the Log Cabin Republicans?
http://online.logcabin.org/talking_points/talking_points_whyitisokaybeingagayGOP.html
I saw a bumper sticker today that said, “Jesus was a liberal” — I thought about it for a while, and I gotta admit, I sure don’t think he was a Repbulican.
Think about it — his message is about loving your neighbor, helping the poor, forgiveness, non-violence. Nothing in there about tax cuts and the death penalty.
I saw a button today with Monica Lewinsky saying:
“I’m voting Republican. the Democrats left a bad taste in my mouth.”
Sarge isn’t satisfied calling the repubs here racist, now he wants to start calling everyone homophobes too- Do you really think playing the cards will silence your opposition? Do you really think anyone here honestly thinks you are conservative in anything but of your common sense?
OT, I didn’t say everyone — just some of the angrier, obsessive ones who take things I said three threads ago and post them in this one just so they can respond…and obessess about me.
They know who they are.
But seriously, aside from the people who are willing to consider (even briefly) someone else’s opinion that’s not identical to their own; I don’t particularly care whether they think I’m conservative, liberal, commie, anarchist, or whatever.
There are a few people I like discussing things with, and that makes 99% of the garbage bearable.
As for me, I think the change started about 4 years ago when I stopped taking Rush Limbaugh’s words as gospel. I figured out that he’s pretty much full of sh1t and would say anything if it could make him money or get him laid. That’s when I started thinking for myself, and it feels great. I highly recommend it to everyone.
“when you and parth mock the health issues of myself…”
6DJ please quote me the language posted by me which supports your characterization, thanks.
And thanks for the exciting Ruth’s Chris Sat night rundown, 6DJ. But what are you doing eating at 5pm? Just how old ARE you? Don’t tell me you had a “coupon”!
It’s good to see you’re still determining national macro-economics via personal observations of your Sat night dining in downtown Mpls. Buy more Ruth’s Chris common stock, Jim! I’m sure an overpriced luxury steakhouse for the complacent, shallow wealthy of BushAmerica can’t miss going into a recession. Buy! Buy! People got to eat $40 steaks, don’t they?
And it’s great to see you driving scores of miles from the fringes of God-forsaken Bachmannistan to downtown Mpls for your Sat night steakfest. There just ain’t too much to do on a Sat night out in Hot Michele’s little exurban Repub heaven is there?
Wonder what’s gonna happen to our little exurbs as the irreversible energy crisis hits? Maybe you can turn your monster pickup or SUV into a planter and your McMansion into a corn crib or feedbarn….Sell! Sell!
Woman calls Bush ‘bastard,’ Hillary Clinton smiles
by Glenn Thrush
BRIDGETON, Mo. — An elderly lady in the audience at Hillary Clinton’s town hall outside of St. Louis prefaced a question about a rumored U.S.-Mexico-Canada economic union this morning by saying “Bush the bastard…”
Hillary smiled, head bobbing slightly, and didn’t say a word in dissent. The crowd roared in approval.
The woman, speaking during a question-and-answer session focused on trade competition and pocketbook issues, asked about a widely-circulated conspiracy theory that President Bush was pushing for the creation of a North American “Amero” currency that would replace the greenback dollar.
“He has this all planned for 2010,” the questioner said of Bush.
Who thinks the MSM will cover this with the same fury that McCain got for the b*tch comment he smiled at? Yeah, I didn’t think so. CNN, where are you now?
It’s more socially acceptable to call a man a bastard than it is to call a woman a b1tch. If you disagree with that, then you have a problem with our society, not the MSM. Don’t you have to study sociology before they make you a cop?
I think what’s more interesting was the person asking the question. The “Amero” currency? Sounds like she’s been attending Bachmannistan State University.
OT, why don’t you tell us the name of the publication this came from?
“I saw a bumper sticker today that said, “Jesus was a liberalâ€
He had long hair and wore sandels…..sounds plausible.
I come from the school that says “everyone plays by the same rules”. Many years ago, I began citing arrestees for saying racial epithets to me. I was told by the brass that I cannot do this. I said that if I or others get investigated and flagged everytime we get accused of this, then so will they. I won that battle and alot of officers do it now.
I believe that the woman graduated from BDSU, not Bachmanistan. I think you have the same degree or are at least working on it.
The story comes from the washington post online.
What were you “citing arrestees” with, OT? What’s the “crime”? How did the resulting prosecutions go?
Can you see that there might be a wee bit of difference in the civility “standards” employed by a trained, government employed peace officer and by a private citizen? Discuss.
And let us know some of the the racial epithets you were having to suffer. Did they really bother you, or was this just “tit for tat” to satisfy your offended sense of “fairness”?
Thanks kindly!
Glenn Thrush writes for Newsday.
Yeah there is a double standard with epitets — good for you for taking the criminals to task about being verbally abusive…but there really is no equivalent N-word for white people…cracker…honkey…whatever..it’s not the same.
Lots of people assume that “bastard” is the male equivalent of b*tch — it’s not. “Bastard” means the child of an unwed mother. A “b*tch” is a female dog. It’s not equivalent.
As far as the coverage is concerned, it IS getting press. And last I checked, both Newsday and the Wash Post are considered MSM. It’s also in the LA Times.
I’m actually working on my Master’s B.S. degree from the School of Hard Knocks.
“I think the IP has a serious communication problem.”
I think voters have a serious apathy problem.
that too.
I thought my “Jesus was a Liberal” comment from this morning was pretty clever. You people wouldn’t know funny if it bit you in the ass.
I was laughing silently, Jay.
I was offended.
But I wear sandals and have long hair.
I’ve just got the hair…..typically w/ cowboy boots, so that probably puts me in a different stereotype pen altogether.
On a different topic, dangerous illegal alien gangs are thriving here partly because of liberal democrat Mpls. Mayor R.T. Rybak’s illegal alien “Santuary City†policy. Here are a few lines from a story in today’s strib:
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The trial has provided a primer on the lifestyles of young south Minneapolis gangsters. Assistant Hennepin County Attorney Hilary Caligiuri’s key witness in the case was Felipe Saldivar-Alvillar, who admitted to driving his fellow gang members to Bloomington where Carlos Hernandez Perez was shot on May 1, 2006. Saldivar-Alvillar, a member of the Sureños 13 gang, said he was driving his truck around that night with four friends and two guns.
Saldivar-Alvillar only occasionally glanced at Chavarria-Cruz as he testified against him, but he was reluctant at times to provide details.
As he and the others drove around that night, Saldivar-Alvillar said he had a loaded .22-caliber gun in an air vent.
He said the group drove to Bloomington to see Perez under the pretext of exchanging the .22 for marijuana.
He denied any plan for a revenge killing despite his admission that Vatos Locos members had made threatening phone calls to him that evening. Prosecutors allege Chavarria-Cruz called Perez and lured him outside by pretending to be a Vatos Locos member.
Signs of a Sureño 13
Saldivar-Alvillar, whose nickname is “Cricket†or “Grillo†in Spanish, is a member of the “Crooks†clique of the Sureños 13 gang that controls turf in south Minneapolis, including Lake Street. Chavarria-Cruz’s nickname is Wizard.
Saldivar-Alvillar testified that their colors are blue and gray, and he reluctantly flashed the hand signs the gang members use to both promote themselves and deride rivals. For the Sureños, that means versions of the number “13″ and a “V†and an “L†upside down to signify a negative connotation for the Vatos Locos. Tattoos with just three dots, often on the wristbone, signify membership. The defendant has three dots on one wrist and one on the other, signifying 13.
Caligiuri displayed a photo of Saldivar-Alvillar in which he had used a hair clipper to slash a line in one of his eyebrows and three lines in the other, again making 13.
I thought everyone was expected to live under the same “civility standards”, pitian? I understand you hold your democrats to a lower standard than republicans, but in the real world, all live under the same rules.
SCARY:
The New York Times and ABC News reported:
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., this morning left open the possibility that, if elected, her government would garnish the wages of people who didn’t comply with her health care plan. “We will have an enforcement mechanism, whether it’s that (garnishing wages) or it’s some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments,” Clinton said in an appearance on “This Week with George Stephanopoulos”.
O.T.,
It’s hard to believe that this great country is moving so far to the left that social*sm is knocking at our door. Our Founding Fathers must be turning in their graves.
d2, you are full of sh1t. You have NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that those people are illegals. If you can show me definitively that they’re here illegally, I’ll gladly stand corrected. But you can’t because you don’t know. That’s B.S.
OT, I agree that is scary that they’d force you to pay for insurance. BUT the thing is, people who choose not to have health insurance cost the industry billions every year. It’s the only way her plan will pay for itself.
Sarge,
Even if these dangerous latino gang members were anchor babies, this shows what a flawed system we have. If they immigrated here legally, we’re doing a very rotten job of choosing who can come here.
I guess it’s hard to prove that these thugs are illegal, because the Strib won’t divulge that, also, the liberal and unlawful illegal alien “Santuary City†policies of R.T. Rybak (DFL) prevent that as well.
This has been another episode of “Officer CLOT Can’t Answer Simple Questions”, the hilarious new wingnut hit, exclusively on the BQ network.
On tomorrow’s show, Officer CLOT complains to his superiors that smart-talkin’ arrestees refuse to shine his shoes, with riotous consequences!
All brought by you by the friendly Fuddruckers of Bachmannistan and New Klinea—stop by at participating locations for a triple BQ burger with cheesy-bacon bits today!!
The more Conserva-Post 2.0 ™ doesn’t see a fact reported, the more he knows it exists! That’s only logical.
Like Captain Queeq in the Caine Mutiny, he proved by geometric logic that illegal alien anchor baby gangs had taken over the Sanctuary City of Oz, and that there was a duplicate key to the galley and that illegal alien mess hand anchor babies had eaten the legal strawberries and lost the war of illegal invasion…..
Jeez…geometric logic is right. D2, you’re making sh1t up in place of facts. We simply don’t know where they’re from, and it’s wrong of you to assume they’re illegal.
Don’t forget that “Anchor” babies are American citizens, which means they’re as much of a citizen as you and me.
Caution:
Partisan’s Commu-Post 2.0 â„¢ contains flawed Marxist logic and should be used for amusement purposes only.
Sarge says:
“Don’t forget that “Anchor†babies are American citizens”
Even liberals are starting to wake up and realize that the anchor baby loophole is seriously hurting our country.
Goodnight all!
Those guys are gang members. Worse if they are illegal but pretty bad non the less. Comrade Coleman had an article in the paper the other day. Telling a story about a poor guy that was beaten until he about died. He was just walking down the street. Coleman’s complaint was with the police of course. But the liberal sity council and the mayor have rendered the police impotent as far as crime prevention goes. We are lucky we get crime investigation now.
Ouch Sarge - you trying to call me gay? Is that what you mean by “gay-dar”? That is the best you can do? And that would be bad why? Are you a homophobe? Or were you a member of this experiment?
A study by the Philadelphia’s Monell Chemical Senses Center found that “gay men were found to be particularly good at detecting the musk of other gay men. So do you make a habit of smelling other men’s musk sarge?
If you are trying to get a rise out of me, you better try harder. Your only contribution to this blog is to call conservatives names and to use vulgarity. If you don’t like the facts presented to you, you resort to childish behavior.
It is another proud day where the conservatives rise above.
God bless you D2SI!
parthian says:
6DJ please quote me the language posted by me which supports your characterization, thanks. And thanks for the exciting Ruth’s Chris Sat night rundown, 6DJ. But what are you doing eating at 5pm? Just how old ARE you? Don’t tell me you had a “couponâ€!
No coupons, bad did have a gift card. Still, their steak is no more expensive than a tank of gas, and as for the dinner time, we then barely made it to the 6:40 show of “There will be Blood” in White Bear. It’s a story about liberal excesses (ok, not really). We do go downtown to dodge a few bullets, helps us empathize with those Iraqi civilians, afterall.
I see your sticking to your recession talk. I hope you’re right, because at least it would make an
itty-bitty amount of sense then for this Dem gov’t to be doling out hundreds of billions when we’re already deep in the hole. I fear it’s just election year Bush and Pelosi strategerickery.
Oh, the quote? Is this exact enough?
parthian says:
January 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am
And man, 6DJ, you mock it as “personal boo-hoos†and compare it to your own “recent surgeries†as an adult?
What the h*ll is the matter with you?
And you question my diagnosis of you as an egomaniac.
The beauty is Parth, your day will come. Nobody lives or stays healthy forever.
Blogging is easy, but getting old isn’t for the weak…….and ego will be the least of your problems
when someone has to help you with the most basic of daily hygiene chores. Your day will arrive my friend.
6Dj - Take care my friend. We can look forward to more of this leadership from the dems:
According to the non-partisan CBO, the 2008 deficit will exceed $400 billion.
Rep. Tim Walz: “The new leadership in Congress has gone a long way to restore some fiscal sanity to Washington,…”
Thanks Tim, I will take Britney’s version of sanity over yours.
God bless you John McCain!
Who thinks the MSM will cover this with the same fury that McCain got for the b*tch comment he smiled at? Yeah, I didn’t think so. CNN, where are you now?
Of course the media will yawn.
That’s tame talk for the uncivilized wacko left wing of America. Look at this blog site–
These people can’t even debate without the constant use of vulgarities.
Be thankful there wasn’t an f-bomb preceding this comment.
One only need look at the relatively few counties that vote Dem—it’s
an ultra-violent, truancy-laden, ill mannered lot.
Sadly, it’s also dominated by so many minority parents who desperately want to escape
but are economic prisoners. The question is how many more generations will they
blindly vote Democrat? They simply need new politic allies.
P.S.
CNC posts are still a hoot!
Yes, I’m aware of human pheremones. Women are stronger than men’s. In fact, if two women live together, after a while, their cycles will match up.
CNC, I’m just saying my gaydar goes off in this forum, that’s all. Not sure if you saw me mention it earlier, but I’m keeping quiet on my sexual orientation in order to stand in unity with all the gay and lesbian people I’ve been friends with through the years.
…and I’m sorry — there was a conversation at one point in this thread about the independence party…wasn’t there?
Jim, I’m going to break my promise of ignoring your posts simply because I want to ask you a question about your latest screed.
You wrote: “Sadly, it’s also dominated by so many minority parents who desperately want to escape but are economic prisoners.”
Why do you point out that it’s minority parents? Interesting that you do that.
You guys to notice (no matter how you feel about Parthian) that Jim is pulling his quotes from OVER 1 WEEK AGO.
Yes, don’t be a baby and complain about health issues…unless you’re Jim, then it’s okay because your day will come. “Blogging is not for wimps” - so there’s no room for disabled kids, but you should feel sorry for him and his colostomy bag.
SgtPendleton says:
Jim, I’m going to break my promise of ignoring your posts simply because I want to ask you a question about your latest screed
Of course you are. Because you are a fraud of epic proportions, even by BQ standards.
Imagine, listing an old quote, when Parth asked for it. How awful.
Screed? 10 lines is now a screed? Good English there.
The minority quote: it’s pretty self evident. You missing the
evidence of decades of racial disparities–income, employment, illegitimacy, crime?
Recent strib story: Mpls North high kids going to play football (and school) at Wayzata, etc?
Can’t I go back on you “ignored” list. Please?
Just continue to direct your vulgarity laced, laughable insights to CNC.
As for colostomy bags, you probably pop out of one of those
the way a stripper jumps out of a cake.
It’s you milieu (can you follow that one?).
But you have a nice day, however, at your “Republican” caucas…..
Hey righties: PP controversy
The PP editors defended its political coverage (i.e. reader claims of shorting Obama) today, and as noted above with Parth teasing my dinner plans, we were affected by the obvious bias:
I had to be in Minneapolis on Saturday at 4pm (see above) so I tried to avoid the heavy Sen. Obama traffic by checking his arrival time. PP’s Mr Salisbury had no problem telling me Hillary’s future arrival time for Sunday, but I couldn’t find any mention of Obama’s time in my old PP Thurs-Sat editions. Strib online delivered, however! I was also then bemused that despite the far smaller crowd, Hillary also got a much larger above-the-fold photo on Monday as well a second, with child, photo compared to the Obama’s smaller Sunday single photo coverage. Who drew 20,000? Yet, today the PP laughingly defends their coverage.
Shout out to OT:
The PP Monday edition describing the horrific Illinois murders on 3A took the Chicago Tribune story. Yet, it lacked description details that struck me as odd: I checked online and , indeed, the PP dropped the ethnicity of the perpetrator listed in the source CTrib story. Otherwise, the early parts of the copy, and suspect description (5-9, poundage,etc), were used verbatim.
Are police, in the era of unending profiling charges, seeing the media obscure racial issues when simply reporting crime facts? Is this policy, like when Indian sports nicknames are deleted? Just wondering.
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6DJ, your egomania is showing.
YOU mocked the serious health issues of SgtP’s kid—calling them “personal boo hoos”—and then equated them with your “recent surgeries”—i.e “back to Jim.”
What I did was call you on your callous, self-centered attitude. No rational person would see MY post as mocking your health issues (whatever they may be)—but a rational person would see both your intitial post AND this half-crazed response to my post as jaw dropping egomania.
Wouldn’t it have been better to just let the matter drop instead of making this utterly lame-o claim that I somehow “mocked” your health issues?
Perhaps you feel bad about the stupidity of your “personal boo hoos” post and need to erect some kind of defense mechanism to feel good about your (obviously superior) self again. But it might be best just to stick to your economic lunacies in the future—this exchange hasn’t exactly burnished your BQ image.
How the h*ll did you do that, SgtP?
Can you speak it?
That means “long dull speech” in Russian, in English, SCREED.
That’s “you” milleu, mais je suis sûr que votre Français est aussi mauvais que votre Russe. I think you’re actually a Communist who is trying to subvert actual conservatives into splitting apart, which would allow the real Commies to take over the Left.
I speak Russian and French, plus a smattering of Turkish, Slovak, German and Polish.
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Betcha our tovarish from the 6th district knows what that means, right Jim?
Very impressive accomplishments, SgtP.
Now they’ll really claim you’re not conservative! Multi-lingual, French and Russian, I’m beginning to doubt it myself!
Too smart for a conservative…..
Sometimes the only way to respond to absurdity is with absuridty and dadaism. Ever see the movie “Miss Sarajevo?”
Well, i see everyone had a nice civil weekend. jeesh.
Parth; Why do you maintain the following are not to the poor in MN? They’re available to everyone else:
functioning schools, stable families.
Lake of the Woods county is one of the poorest, and least populated, counties in the state, yet their students do extremely well in college, and the families are stable. Why is that?
Maybe you could explain to a dumb ole conservative why this is so. But please, provide facts, not “proclamations from on high”
And yes sarge, my french is a bad as my russian. What’s the point there?
“Lake of the Woods county is one of the poorest, and least populated, counties in the state, yet their students do extremely well in college, and the families are stable. Why is that?”
Success has much more to do with culture that economics. The rap (hip-hop)culture for example is very damaging to the black community.
A recent study by Andrew Isserman at the U of Illinois included Lake of the Woods county as one of the 289 “most prosperous” rural counties in America.
Not a good candidate for a poverty study, Les.
And since you no longer believe my facts, I definitely no longer believe yours.
Lake of the Woods county in which state?
Way to go genious.
I love your rationale..
“you dont beleive my unsupported proclamations so I’m gonna quit listening to you (insert pix of monkey with hands over ears here) nana nana boo boo”
The questions still remain, the reference is clarified for you here
Lake of the Woods county MINNESOTA.
D2SI
Not sure about rap and hip hop being the cause rather than a symptom.
I think “feral youth”, single parent homes, and absentee fathers have more to do with it.
All of which can be quickly corrected by your friendly liberal politician, of course.
I have learned to speak limpwrist and bs, so I can understand what the dems here are saying.
Jim, I will say this. Crime victims and witnesses give the facts to law enforcement. Law enforcement agencies give the facts to the media, the media does what it wants from there. so, if you are not reading the facts, call your paper and complain. then, hey call you a racist and hang up on you. right parthian?
I hope everyone is going to go caucus tonight. I hope to be a delegate again, especially since the convention is right here in our backyard. If you don’t caucus, you really have no right to complain about anything on this blog.
Les, are you attending an IP caucus tonight?
I’m torn.. Not a Bloomberg fan, although I see Nunn is on the draftee list now.
I’m thinking of attending the GOP conference for McCain, He’s got a chance against Hill and Barak.
How about you?
You know Les that “answer man†parth has all of the facts.
(BTW, I ma still not sure if Parthian is male or female)
Case closed according to parth on global warming. No supporting data of course, but here is some numbers to chew on..
“I think “feral youthâ€, single parent homes, and absentee fathers have more to do with it.”
This problem has been made worse by our liberal welfare system which discourages marriage.
A little pre-caucus humor before you vote:
OLD VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.
The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!
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MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.
CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, ‘It’s Not Easy Being Green.’
Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house where the news stations film the group singing, ‘We shall overcome.’ Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper’s sake.
Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.
Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.
The ant loses the case.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant’s old house, crumbles around him because he doesn’t maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote.
Les asks
“How about you?”
I like Obama but am unwilling to sign DFL pledge to vote a straight ticket, which I understand they ask if you participate in the caucus. Thinking about the IP event, but more to see what else they’re up to than to pick a pres candidate. If its McCain v Obama, there won’t be room for a 3rd party.
parthian: “A recent study by Andrew Isserman at the U of Illinois included Lake of the Woods county as one of the 289 “most prosperous†rural counties in America.”
Les responds: “Lake of the Woods county in which state? Way to go genious.”
It is an interesting enough study to review, for whoever is interested. I’m not finding a LakeoftheWoods Co in some other state that is identified in the study, so the accusation by Les that parthian has the wrong state cannot be confirmed or denied by my quick review- but it sure is funny if that is the case.
My comment to parthian would be that it is probably misleading to say the study that you cite references L.O.W. Co (MN) as “most prosperous.” It is rated at about the same level as most of the rest of Minnesota, with a couple of surrounding exceptions in Roseau Co (rated higher) and both Mahnomen and Beltrami Co (rated lower).
For those who don’t know Roseau Co is home to hockey, snowmobiles, and windows. I think it is fair to point out that Beltrami/Mahnomen are home to two of the largest Indian reservatiosn in the state. Probably speaks to some of dare2’s comments regarding cultural factors as the problem.
“If its McCain v Obama, there won’t be room for a 3rd party.”
If it is McCain v whomever, there won’t be a need for a 3rd party candidate. McCain is as close to an independant as we will get from the Dem/Rep party.
another reason i do not like mccain
Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic reported Tuesday that, after the first ballot, McCain’s campaign called his supporters there and urged them to vote in favor of Huckabee.
“Unfortunately, this is what Senator McCain’s inside Washington ways look like: he cut a backroom deal with the tax-and-spend candidate he thought could best stop Governor Romney’s campaign of conservative change,†Beth Myers, Romney’s campaign manager, said in a statement.
Huckabee won the contest on the second ballot with 567 votes, or 51 percent, to Romney’s 521 votes, which put him at 47 percent. McCain finished the second ballot with 12 votes.
RE: McCain’s “Washington ways,” I’ve heard candidates say for years that we need to bring people from outside Washington to serve in the White House. This seems to be a standard part of the ‘governors who wish to run for Pres’ handbook.
Everyone (including me) gripes that Washington is broken, the list of comments is so familiar they have all become cliche. But Bush was governor, Clinton was a governor, Reagan was a governor…….we’ve had people from “outside” Washington for most of my life. Perhpas its time we try retaining someone from Washington to stand that post.
Although, looking at the field, we won’t have much of a choice but to embrace that mentality this year.
Hey Les, it sounds like your French ain’t too bad LOL. OT, I also speak macho ignoramus.
Jay I’m ready for a Washington insider. In fact, the last time a sitting senator was elected was Kennedy in 1960 - so really, Washington has been run by outsiders for 40+ years. Assuming the leading candidates get the nom (McCain and Hillary or Obama), it looks like we’ll get an insider.
Sky News is reporting that French scientists are growing human skin.
The scientists state future plans include growing a spine for sarge.
Well, I am back and also a delegate, at least for now. Romney kicked ass at ny caucus, McCain was dead last with just a couple votes. I only wish the rest of the country voted like my neighbors did.
Sarge, I seriously doubt you could talk macho, a person could only stretch so far.
I am back from my caucus too. Romney won big in my precinct, Huck second and McC just ahead of a write in for Alan Keyes.
P.S. I am a delegate too. Feb.23 is the next meeting.
Thanks OT, I’ll take that as a compliment.
BTW - You guys will be relieved to know that I’m officially no longer a member of the GOP. I participated in the DFL caucus tonight, and it felt GREAT.
One thing I noticed as soon as I walked into the caucus meeting: everyone was laughing and joking and having fun. Clearly there was a sense of community and neighbor-ness that I had never experienced with the GOP before. It was also quite diverse - lots of colors, along with some gay people too. I gotta say, so far I’m very impressed with the DFL. They’re nothing like the classic “liberal” stereotype that Rush told us about. I feel very patriotic tonight about this great country of ours! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
It probably does feel good to finally come out of the closet, huh?
You are such a fraud, sarge- probably just a plant to keep things interesting around here.
We were joking around also. I saw many neighbors that I did not know were repubs and had never asked either. I was told that usually there are like 8-10 people there for a caucus but this time there were 50 plus.
parthian says:
6DJ, your egomania is showing.
Ouch, that sure hurts. OK, not really. You should maybe leave the psychoanalysis to the highly paid professionals. Better yet, you could benefit from it. You’ve gotten rather lame in your zingers lately, but maybe life is distracting you. You have a low threshold for “jaw-dropping.”
Or maybe a dull life. Did you find HeeHaw jaw-dropping?
O.T. says:
Jim, I will say this. Crime victims and witnesses give the facts to law enforcement. Law enforcement agencies give the facts to the media,
Fair enough, and in this case the ChiTri ran with it, the PP chose to delete.
I guess it reinforces that careful scrutiny is needed when digesting media reports.
OT, lots of people change parties over their life - sometimes between elections. If I’d have stayed Republican, I’d have gone for McCain, and you STILL would have called me a fraud. You guys seem to have a gift for chasing away anyone who’s a little different.
OT, it’s really easy to do what everyone else is doing, isn’t it? I think you and some of the others aren’t self-confident enough to go against the grain.
I’m thinking for myself and not letting others do my thinking for me anymore. If that means I’m a fraud, them I’m guilty as charged.
Note to bsimon - the DFL doesn’t make you sign any kind of pledge about how you’re going to vote. If yours did, then it’s something screwed up with your precinct — it’s not supposed to be that way.
Sgt: I’m voting for McCain (again) and no one has ever called me a fraud. Of course, I’ve never tried to refer to myself as a Republican either. I’d suggest that is where the difference may be, yes?
Well sarge the atmosphere was pretty jovial at our Repub caucus too.
In fact it was good to see so many young people there. And there certainly was a cross section of people.
The thing that was interesting was that just about everyone was there for the first time, (including me). The concern expressed by most was that they were concerned about the direction and the future of our country. Just like, I suppose, the dems were discussing. But, and this is a BUT, it is the platforms the two parties have that are so different.
O’mama says that there is only one America and he will bring unity. This is not true in the least. There are 2 America’s and they are oceans apart in their philosophies. One will keep us going like the America we grew up in, the other will morph us into a bloated socialist state like Europe is headed.
(my opinion btw)
Well sarge the atmosphere was pretty jovial at our Repub caucus too.
In fact it was good to see so many young people there. And there certainly was a cross section of people.
More on the caucus;
The thing that was interesting was that just about everyone was there for the first time, (including me). The concern expressed by most was that they were concerned about the direction and the future of our country. Just like, I suppose, the dems were discussing. But, and this is a BUT, it is the platforms the two parties have that are so different.
O’mama says that there is only one America and he will bring unity. This is not true in the least. There are 2 America’s and they are oceans apart in their philosophies.
One system will work, the other will morph the US into some form of state like many countries in Europe.
scarface, I really appreciate what you’re saying, but using “O’mama” — that’s a good way to get people to tune you out of a actual discussion like we’re having here.
That said, I do like what you say most of the time (even if I don’t agree with it). You’re right — there are two different philosophies at work here, but that doesn’t mean we can’t work together — that’s at the heart of what Obama is saying. Remember how it was right after 911 when we were all on the same page? Felt pretty good, didn’t it?
For the last 150 years, Republicans and Democrats have disagreed on tons of things, but we’re all supposed to be on the same team. That’s changed in the last 20 years to a football game mentality. [Cheney’s promotes this too]
Now the extremists in each party push a 50% +1 agenda — it’s the most radical bills they can get passed. Tom Delay described it best when the Repubicans took over both Congress and the Senate, he said (I’m paraphrasing), “If we’re passing bills with 60 or 70% approval [in congress], we’re not pursuing an adequately conservative agenda”.
This is why you have the conservative base coming out so strongly against McCain. He’s a uniter - and they don’t want unity - they want to fight and fight endlessly, and that sucks.
Likewise, there are radical elements of the Dems that poison chances at unity [the Cindy Sheehans, also when John Kerry comes off as thinking abortion is something good - it’s well outside the norm].
Jay, I was a Repbulican once - I’m not going to pretend that it didn’t exist. For many many years I identified myself with moderate Republicans like George H W Bush.
It really tells you what’s happened in the GOP over the last 20 years. If George H.W. Bush were running for president today, he wouldn’t get anywhere because they’d say he was too liberal to be a Republican.
The special interests are pushing out the moderates - that’s what happened with the Democrats in the 1970s, and it’s what’s happening with Republicans now.
The “conservatives” will come around to McCain because he is a crazed lunatic on their signature, primary issue—aggressive militarism and attacking defenseless countries for their oil. No bloated “defense” budget is too large for McOld.
McCain was promising the other day that there “will be other (unspecified) wars” we’ll be fighting, and of course it’s well known that he has already glibly stated that he doesn’t see any problem with the US military occupying Iraq “for a hundred years”.
With militarist sentiments like that, every “conservative” will come around to this doddering, debilitated old cold warrier—there’s no “war”, (i.e, baseless militarist aggression) the Right doesn’t cheer on.
McCain would be the last foolish cheerleader of the exhausted, bankrupt American Empire. Bombs away!
OMG, was I out of place last night.
570 some for Romney, 235 for McCain.
I thought MN repubs were more independent than that. Wrong again.
The Dems can count on MN remaining a “blue” state in my estimation.
Would it be possible for a modern day Dr. Frankenstein to create a bigger phony than Mitt Romney?
The continual mouthing of discredited Repub slogans, the formulaic invocation of the ghost of St Reagan, the recitation of obviously unfelt “family values” pieties—Romney is simply without parallel in his hollow, soulless emptiness.
And MN GOoPs ate it up! Pod-people or Minnesotans?—you decide.
Not a very perceptive crowd. Easy marks for car warranty and insurance salesmen.
Yup. Romney reminds me of John Kerry a whole lot.
Fortunately, It appears MN Repubs wont have the opportunity to vote for Romney based on National standings.
Wonder if they’re planning to follow Coulter’s lead and vote for Hillary. What will they do if Obama is the dem candidate?
More fun and games this summer at the Excel, I guess.
Wonder what McCain thinks of Pawlenty’s help now, BTW.
Les writes
“I thought MN repubs were more independent than that. Wrong again.”
I was really, really surprised at Romney’s win here. Perhaps Pawlenty should have campaigned a bit harder for his guy here on the homefront, instead of jetting around the country to campaign elsewhere.
Having said that, my understanding is that the MN GOP event is non-binding on delegates, and therefore largely irrelevant in the delegate race.
p.s. ‘year of the incumbent?’ is still the ‘big question’??
SgtP writes
“the DFL doesn’t make you sign any kind of pledge about how you’re going to vote. If yours did, then it’s something screwed up with your precinct — it’s not supposed to be that way.”
It appears I was misinformed. I almost went anyway, but between cooking & eating dinner for & with my wife & daughter, the caucuses fell off the schedule. I was more interested in going to the IP event anyway.
I would have had to drive 15 miles to go to the IP event. Given how badly things are screwed up right now, I don’t think it’s an advantageous time for the IP, sadly. Regardless, family time is the most important, so good for you.
Les, not sure if you saw it, but last night the Gov pointed out that he lost the caucus in 2002 to Brian Sullivan, and he did note it was non-binding. I’m very impressed with his political skills.
Nope, didnt see timmy last night.
He’s on my ignore list anyway.
I didnt remember, or didnt know, he did not win the causcus in 02.
The point still remains that MN GOPers dont support McCain. We have one here at work that agree’s whole haeartedly with Ann Coulter. He’s vote for Hillary before McCain. He says “at least we know Hillary is a communist” (his words not mine).
So even if the delegates decide to support McCain at the convention, I dont think he’ll take the state in the general election.
This does not bode well for the GOP. History repeats itself, and I can’t help but draw a comparison to 30 years ago.
Don’t know if you guys are old enough to remember, but Jimmy Carter had a serious challenge from left with Ted Kennedy. Hard to believe, but in 1979, lots of people didn’t think Jimmy Carter was liberal enough.
The extreme left was pulling the party away from the middle. Those middle voters didn’t like where the Dems were going, so they went for Reagan. Those were the “Reagan Democrats” we heard so much about.
So the obvious parallel is McCain is the middle, and Romney/Huckabee are the far right. Mitt and Huck are alienating a lot of Republicans - that’s why McCain’s doing well — but a divided GOP cannot beat a united Democratic party (see 1992).
The amazing thing about this is Rush and Ann Coulter are willing to promote Hillary in a McCain-Clinton match up.
These “great” conservatives p00p their pants at the first sign of conflict with the masses, and they’re willing to let the GOP go down in flames rather yield to the majority of Repubicans…Talk about extremist…jeez.
Democrats are turning out in much larger numbers across the country including the MN 6th District; that’s trouble for Bachmann.
“Democrats are turning out in much larger numbers across the country including the MN 6th District; that’s trouble for Bachmann.”
Its trouble for Bachmann in that her near-last position in seniority won’t get a bump up by new GOP Reps. Its extremely doubtful that she’ll lose her seat, unless there are significant demographic changes in the 6th, which seems unlikely.
so sorry, poopian
NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. drivers could enjoy a drop of up to 50 cents per gallon in gasoline prices by this spring as high fuel prices and the threat of a recession force them to conserve, experts said on Wednesday.
U.S. gasoline supplies hit a near-14-year high of 227.5 million barrels last week, helped by falling demand for the fuel, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said on Wednesday.
“Gasoline stocks are continuing to increase and it implies that people are probably cutting down on gasoline consumption — a result of the weakening economy,” said Phil Flynn, an analyst at Alaron Trading in Chicago.
U.S. gasoline demand over the last four weeks only averaged about 1 percent more than the same period last year, the EIA said. Demand growth for the fuel has typically averaged about 1.5 to 2 percent a year and has been one of the major drivers of global oil markets.
Go, Ron Paul!!!
Sarge, I guess I say o”mama since I cannot say “O’sh*t,I cannot believe anyone would vote for him”.
Read the post from parthian shortly after mine describing my caucus experience. It provides the perfect example I was trying to get across about the two America’s. There is no way that I would or could ever agree with anything she says, and visa versa.
This is how much of the country is split
Last night our caucus had families, HS and college kids, retired people. Black and White and Asian. Even school teachers (who all made a point of saying that there are a few conservative ones). These were decent people, not hard core right wing warmongering oil stealing racists. The platform we reviewed was basic, solid and traditional.
Sure 911 united us for a few weeks until the lunatics convinced many that Bush was behind it. Now it is old history and forgotten. And it will happen again, especially if the dems are in charge
Sarge, There are two big reasons I am not a fan of McCain.
1. Amnesty (Z visas)
2. I am not sure if he will do what is necessary to protect the American people.
“will happen again if the dems are in charge”
Well, so far the most spectacular attack occurred under a conservative Repub who was asleep at the switch. And I thought we were never supposed to forget 9/11!
And please tell us exactly what’s “necessary to protect the American people”, scarface. And was it mentioned in the “basic, solid and traditional” platform you approved in Repub land?
Well, Parthian, I’d be a little more diplomatic about it actually.
The fact is scarface, we don’t really know what’s necessary to protect the American people. Some people might say invading Iran will protect the American people…others might say that would make things worse.
…and about the unity thing — you know, Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan disagreed on just about everything. But they were friends, and they were able to compromise and get bills passed. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but your attitide seems to be “well, since we don’t agree on anything, I’m not even going to deal with you.” The founding fathers knew that Congress would need to negotiate - that’s a good thing isn’t it?
alot of people think gridlock in congress and the senate is a good thing since they can’t raise your taxes if they can’t agree on it.
poopian is right. al-quada is si efficient and intelligent that they began planning the day w took office and then did 9-11 just 7 months later. they weren’t planning that before w took office- no way. in the words of your beloved dora, “what a maroon”.
Right, Bush was asleep at the wheel. that is why 911 happened.
Gotcha parth!
Could it possible be that if the dems are in charge that they will;
abandon Iraq to Al Q?
Not renew the Patriot Act? Prevent wiretapping of overseas terrorist suspects? Provide ACLU atty’s to all Gitmo detainees and thereby revealing govt.secrets? Negotiate with terrorists and terror sponsoring countries. I am sure that I forgot a few things here.
Hey lets not forget the current favorite idea of Ellison.
The Department of Peace headed up by the Sec. of Appeasement.
That ought to make us safer in this world.
sarge says, “The founding fathers knew that Congress would need to negotiate - that’s a good thing isn’t it?”
To some degree I guess it is. But when the price of the car is $120K and the offer is $10K I don’t think there will be much negotiation.
The amount of baseless propaganda and misinformation you gorge yourself on daily at your wingnut internet garbage troughs must be enormous, scarface.
Please note that all of your “evidence” (mostly counterfactual nonsense and ideologically rigid claptrap, but whatever) was undertaken AFTER 9/11 and had nothing whatever to do with Bushco’s being asleep at the switch on 9/11—which is indeed a crucial reason why 9/11 occurred.
Read ex-Terror Czar Richard Clarke’s valuable book on 9/11 sometime, so you have some idea of what actually happened and the massive failures of Bushco from Jan ‘01 until 9/11.
Anyway, being charitable, it sounds like you are advocating an indefinite illegal occupation of Iraq by the US military to secure Iraq’s oil (costing $12 billion a month), the gutting of FISA (which doesn’t apply to overseas calls BTW) in order to spy on millions of Americans without warrants, the imprisoning of muslim detainees on no evidence and without a hearing for their entire lives, and a continuing refusal to engage in the slightest diplomacy with Iran, the regional power of the ME and nation culturally closest to most Iraqis—although who knows exactly what you have in mind with the words “negotiate with terrorists” and “terror sponsoring” contries–you may need to check back at the right wing garbage troughs for more sepcificity.
In other words, you entirely approve of Bushco’s current conduct in losing our “War of Terra” ™, which means that you are one of the nation’s last 28% of conservative deadender Bushists.
But I guess we all suspected that. And this was the “common sense” platform all you Repubs approved? Sounds like it can’t miss!
parthian says:
Read ex-Terror Czar Richard Clarke’s valuable book on 9/11 sometime, so you have some idea of what actually happened and the massive failures of Bushco from Jan ‘01 until 9/11.
Jim laughs heartily:
Yes, the guy most responsible for both Bin Laden and Al Queda being alive into Jan, 2001. Yup, that is the guy I want as Monday morning QB. The guy’s a clown, put a red nose on him. How about:
*Clinton expose book on why the 2/2001 recession was Bush’s?.
*Authors on Fannie Mae sucking taxpayers dry is a net positive.
*Or is there a James Carville’s next book: Linda Tripp–bad snitch John Dean–good snitch;
Do you have any nonfiction books to recommend?
You really do live in a rose colored world; Don’t worry, I wont recommend Ann Coulter books to you, as I
they look pretty dull.
No chance 911 happened because of widespread governmental and citizenry apathy due to decades of peace and prosperity? No, that couldn’t be it. I’d wager big money if Clinton had assassinated Bin Laden in 1998 Clinton would have been savaged from both the right (wag the dog) and the left (oppressive).
It’s like the bridge collapse after 20 years of failing reviews: It’s the chick’s fault!
And charitable? Did you start your psychoanalysis sessions already?
A new Parth. Sweet!
Hey parth, you just know too much for your own F’ing good. Which mountain did you decend from? Or better yet, where did your indoctrination take place.
You are a sorry cynic and quite pathetic in you endless disparagement of all things moral, traditional and conservative.
One can only thank God (who you don’t believe in) that few of your kind exist.
Life is quite simple for me. I know what I want, what I want for my kids, what I want for my country. I also know who those people are that can help me achieve those wants.
It is depressing to listen to your side complain how bad everything is. It is difficult for me to understand how you can function on a daily basis. I wonder if the suicide rate is higher amongst liberals?
scar, don’t forget that republicans report being happier and also have both more and more satisfying sexual lives.
So true OT. Every day is a great day and can’t complain about the sex either.
I guess ignorance is bliss?
it would be hard being a Prophet like parth. Tough to have the weight of the world on your shoulders.
She also says “Anyway, being charitable, it sounds like you are advocating an indefinite illegal occupation of Iraq by the US military to secure Iraq’s oil”
I wish this were true. The part about securing the oil. I think that a strong nation like ours should turn expansionist and take what we want when we want it. Why let these little piss ant countries push us around?
…well there goes reason…
Scarface, I’m not sure if you’re serious, but when countries turn expansionist and decide that little piss ant countries can’t push them around, their empires collapse and they fail. History is full of exmaples of this happening. Pat Buchanan’s been talking about this since 1989.
It happened with the Babylonians, the Romans, the Persians, the Huns, the Mongols, the Ottomans, the Spanish, the French, the English, the Nazis, and the Soviet Union.
Hubris — always leads to failure. One of God’s little safety valves he put on us humans.
SGT: “you know, Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan disagreed on just about everything. But they were friends”
And why wouldn’t they be? At the end of the day they agreed on one thing: spend, spend, spend. They rank #3 and #4, respectively, on the list of most liberal guys ever elected to public office at the national level (to FDR and Wellstone!, if you are wondering).
No sarge, i am not serious, that is why I put Mr smiley there.
But I know a few “intellegent” leberal posters believe I was serious.
parth..it isn’t in the Repub. charter to become expansionist.
It is in the dem platform to be retreatist.
Well, it’s not a surprise to me that you’re not much of a reader on current events, 6DJ, based on the incessant stream of crackpot, loony ideas that you present as your beliefs. (for example 9/11 happened because of citizen apathy and national prosperity).
But since you think them, then you’re sure they’re right. It’s a nice closed system.
And Clarke spends quite a bit of time on our operations against bin ladin in the 90s, if you actually want to know something about it, rather than frolic under your fact-free prejudices. But somehow I’m guessing you don’t.
And scarface, if ignorance is bliss, then perhaps you shouldn’t be quite so committed to the failed conservative ideology that has sucked you into its black hole. If you aren’t that well informed, then it’s all least possible you have been wrong to support the movement you have given yourself over to.
So perhaps you should listen to some of the people who are “complaining” about how “bad everything is”—they might be right, and you (by your own admission) don’t know.
“perhaps you should listen to some of the people who are “complaining†about how “bad everything isâ€
Why would we do that? I’m fine and pretty much everything about my current life situation is fine. I don’t care about yours or anyone else’s (who may complain about how bad everything is). It’s their job to express their displeasure at the ballot box, and my job to express my relative satisfaction. If everyone was a little more concerned about improving theior own situation, and a littleless consumed with what they feel is best for everyone else, I think we’d be a lot better off as a group. Its that whole, pesky, majority rules thing surfacing again.
Jay wrote:”And why wouldn’t they be? At the end of the day they agreed on one thing: spend, spend, spend. They rank #3 and #4, respectively, on the list of most liberal guys ever elected to public office at the national level (to FDR and Wellstone!, if you are wondering). ”
Jay by “liberal” I assume you mean liberal with spending. Yeah, they both liked spending our money, didn’t they?
I wonder where W falls on that list?
he’s right up there too. But I lump Reagan into the “liberal” everything group, if you gauge his actions rather than his words. He rode into town with his spurs on and played the role of social conservative for a decade, but if you objectively look at his life, I don’t believe he actually held many of the principles that he claimed to. He readily admitted that he was a proud democrat for many years……he’s a lot like Norm in that way.
scarface says:
You are a sorry cynic and quite pathetic in you endless disparagement of all things moral, traditional and conservative.
Of course he is, it’s his schtick. The whole lot seems like a sorry, sad bunch.
I have to read Clarke’s book? Hardly, his media tour was laughable, so why bother reading, or buying? It only encourages doofuses to write more books.
The bottom line: Parth and his ilk live in a different reality from you and me. Fortunately, we’re pretty happy in ours. Theirs?
I wonder in Parth’s world if there was a 1999 Serbian war that was so memorable for 4 things contrasted with today:
1. It should have been directed to Al Queda. Dick Clark could have gotten that one right.
2. Republicans were antiwar then…?
3. Democrats, esp Senators like Wellstone, were major war hawks!…?
4. War protestors then were nonexistant, to where the Mike Moore’s and Tom Haydens wrote scathing op-eds about the lack of protest.
Yet, politics is simple to the parthians of the world.
“I’m fine and pretty much everything about my life is fine….”
As simpleton jay goes, so goes the nation!
Makes politics pretty easy, I guess, which is what jay needs.
And I see the happy warrior 6DJ concurs….and offers yet more ignorant views about a stranger’s unexpressed opinions on a war fought almost ten years ago.
P says, ” And scarface, if ignorance is bliss, then perhaps you shouldn’t be quite so committed to the failed conservative ideology that has sucked you into its black hole. If you aren’t that well informed, then it’s all least possible you have been wrong to support the movement you have given yourself over to.
So perhaps you should listen to some of the people who are “complaining†about how “bad everything isâ€â€”they might be right, and you (by your own admission) don’t know. ”
I just can’t help it. I was raised to believe in personal responsibility. Sink or swim ideology.
It irritates me to see handouts for those that do not deserve it. To set up teaming masses of illiterate and poor on my dime. To see the country’s morals and ethics thrown out the door. To compromise our National security. I know my life could be better, if I judge myself by my income alone. I blame no one but myself for the fact I am not a millionaire. Life in this county is pretty good. I could be living in a scum hole similar to the countries that people are leaving by the millions in hopes of getting here.
I really do not think that either Obama of Hillary will settle you hate for this country.
For it is probably our system of government and out market system you detest rather than a President that served for 8 years.
“As simpleton jay goes, so goes the nation!”
As long as everyone else does their part just like me…..yes. That would be the result. Unfortunately, we have too many peoplelike yourself too concerned over what is best for everyone else, rather than allowing them to determine that for themselves.
Um, scarface, I’m the one pointing out that your Dear Leader has broken numerous laws (such as FISA), fleeced the Treasury for his wealthy buddies, condoned torture (which he just finally admitted), violated the constitution and misled the nation into an invasion which has shown us to be an aggressive imperial power and destroyed our standing in the world.
You apparently know almost nothing about our “system of government” and would allow the president to break any law and subvert the constitution simply because they say they’re doing it to “protect” you. That’s how all dicatators operate, through fear.
I’m the believer in the rule of law and our democratic republic, you’re a terrified enabler of increasing authoritarian, non-democratic rule. So I guess we can see who really “hates the country” and detests its constitution.
parthian: “I’m the believer in the rule of law and our democratic republic, you’re a terrified enabler of increasing authoritarian, non-democratic rule.”
I think I saw that on someone’s dirty T-shirt in uptown last week.
bsimon says:
February 6th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Its trouble for Bachmann in that her near-last position in seniority won’t get a bump up by new GOP Reps. Its extremely doubtful that she’ll lose her seat, unless there are significant demographic changes in the 6th, which seems unlikely.
6th District Caucus Numbers
According to the Secretary of State’s website, 9,837 people went to Republican caucuses and 18,906 people went to DFL caucuses in the 6th District.
The 6th is no lock for Bachmann
65.78% DFL
34.22% GOP
Need I say more?
Parth is part of the sad sacks, Inc. of America.
He is also now the judge and jury when evaluating crimes. Who knew? Is W is jail or did I miss that one?
Lookout OT, there’s a new sheriff in town and he be arrestin’ conservatives left and right
Or is it right and righter?
I’ll be at Fogo de Chao on Sat, so I’ll let sadman know how the happy people spend their Sat nites 
)
“I’m the one pointing out that your Dear Leader has broken numerous laws (such as FISA), fleeced the Treasury for his wealthy buddies,…”
You wish Bush had done these things. If he indeed had broken laws I would be calling for his resignation too.
But just think, for how long now has the Menace and others attemped to impeach Bush? HE HAS BROKEN NO LAWS.
Proof isn’t required for anything in your world is it? Be is scientific or legal.
Good one scarface.
I think he was talking about an episode of the West Wing.
You know, if one cant win the big elections, then they bluster about the fictional world they live in……
Darth–Star Wars
Scooter—LA Law
Michelle–Lipstick jungle
these guys got it all covered, but reality it aint.
jim, i am jealous, i have been trying to make it to foge for a while but something always comes up!
Bushco has already acknowledged that he authorized wiretaps on phones of Americans without warrants, a violation of the FISA law and a felony. He is currently in a battle to the death to have the senate immunize the conduct of the telecoms that he asked to violate the law (a whistleblower has already revealed the lawbreaking to Congress), so that his lawbreaking is never ruled on by a federal court. Of course you are unaware of this.
A federal judge in Michigan previously ruled that another surveillance program violated both FISA and the Fourth Amendment. That ruling was never reversed, and thus Bush is an adjudicated lawbreaker. And the Supreme Court ruled that Bush’s detention of inmates at Guantanamo, and the lack of any hearings whatever, violated US law, forcing the Repub Congress to pass laws immunizing everyone involved for their prior lawbreaking.
Bush has also just admitted to waterboarding numerous detainees—a clear violation of the Geneva Convention and thus our War Crimes statute, also a felony. It is very likely he will be an international war criminal, and have to worry about where he travels, just like Milosivich and Pinochet. Your beloved president is a torturer and war criminal.
This is just the tip of the iceberg, and of course you are unaware of Bush’s thousands of “signing statements” where he openly admits he will not follow laws he signs but “disagrees” with, which is also a violation of the constitution.
And the various investigations into Bush’s improper dismissal of US attorneys because they would not bring politically motivated prosecutions to benefit the Repubs in the 2006 elections is continuing—but of course you don’t care about this, being a good “conservative” and all.
Scarface, you just don’t know anything about what’s been going on. But even if you did, it wouldn’t matter because you are a deadend Bushist who wouldn’t care how many federal laws Dear Leader has violated. Because you don’t really believe in the rule of law, at least by Repub presidents.
This is why it is so essential that impeachment of Bush (or better, Cheney) be commenced, so that ignorant wingnuts like 6DJ and scarface are forced to confront the felonious regime they have foolishly supported for so long.
Hey,ho. thanks for the nod, OT.
It’s my b-day this weekend so the family is taking me there! I’m excited.
I was there some months ago and loved it: the coolest looking salad bar
followed by wide variety of meats carved at the table = pure heaven.
The meat was awesome. We couldn’t get my teenage son to leave.
I’ll give an updated review on a current thread next week
to bug Sadsack (hoping he’s a PETA guy) so I’ll let you know
if it’s still high quality.
Fogo is more proof there is a God and he loves Americans )
Of course, sadsack is the master of disinformation.
Did he miss Carter’s lapdog appointee getting smacked down?
No, he uses legal-ease to present a false impression.
Published: July 7, 2007
A divided federal appeals court yesterday dismissed a case challenging the National Security Agency’s program to wiretap without warrants the international communications of some Americans, reversing a trial judge’s order that the program be shut down.
And even after the original decision, the WaPo was “effusive” in its praise, right sadsack?
Friday, August 18, 2006; Page A20
Unfortunately, the decision yesterday by a federal district court in Detroit, striking down the NSA’s program, is neither careful nor scholarly, and it is hard-hitting only in the sense that a bludgeon is hard-hitting. The angry rhetoric of U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor will no doubt grab headlines. But as a piece of judicial work — that is, as a guide to what the law requires and how it either restrains or permits the NSA’s program — her opinion will not be helpful.
Parth simply lives in a different reality…..
I also like the laughable legal-ease on the Supreme Court ruling: let’s go to a typical liberal outlet, NPR: they say it violates the UCMJ, and Geneva rulings, but let’s just call it US law (Again, he watches LA Law reruns, no doubt).
ROTFLMAO. Sad sack has been off his game this month.
NPR.org. June 29, 2006 · In a major rebuke to the Bush administration, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the president overstepped his power in ordering war-crimes trials for Guantanamo detainees without specific authority from Congress. By a 5-to-3 vote, the court said that the procedures set up by the president violate both the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the laws of war set out in the Geneva Conventions.
The UCMJ is incorporated in the US code, Lawmaster Jim. And a violation of the Geneva Conventions is a war crime under US law.
The District Judge in the FISA case was reversed on whether the plaintiffs had “standing” to sue (whether they had “proven” an injury), not whether Bush’s program violated federal law and the constitution—indeed, the dissenting judge on the appeals court (the only one to reach the FISA issue) AGREED with the district court ruling that Bush violated the law.
This is what history is going to show Jim—Bush is an admitted and adjudicated lawbreaker. And you (of course) have nothing to say about his desperate attempt to stop the ongoing telecom suits via retroactive “immunity”.
But a poison brained, rule of law hating, conservative cult member like you could never view anything involving this felonious regime objectively. So just go feed your face at the luxurious salad n’ meat bar and leave reality and political responsiblity to rational citizens.
You’re not ignorant actually, just willfully blind.
parth claims as proof, “A federal judge in Michigan previously ruled that another surveillance program violated both FISA and the Fourth Amendment. That ruling was never reversed, and thus Bush is an adjudicated lawbreaker.”
Yea right, This judge was “shopped” for. She was a former ACLU lawyer and one of the few in the country that would even listen to this claim. This went nowhere and this lawyer should have been repremanded for wasting everyone’s time
Classic Conservative White Male Syndrome, scarface: deny reality in front of your face. People like you are simply hopeless.
You said “Bush Broke no laws!” In the one case that went to trial (so far), the federal judge on the case ruled he did. And this determination was not reversed on appeal.
In fact, of the two federal judges to actually determine whether Bush broke the law, BOTH of them said he did—and none of the four federal judges involved on the case declared his warrantless surveillance program legal.
And what is your response? The judge was shopped for, she was an ACLU lawyer, the case went nowhere (when there were two issued opinions). None of which is any kind of rational response.
I guess you “conservatives” need to know who the judge is and what their background is before you think you need to follow their rulings, eh? Are they a member of the conservative “tribe”? I guess that’s what the new “tribal” rule of law is all about. But you’re a big fan of our system of government, yessiree.
Not much to say about my numerous other examples of lawbreaking, eh? Figures. Conservatism 101: Deny! Deny! Even when you don’t know a thing about it!
I’m hopeless parthian? And how do you know I am white? I happen to have a large portion of “minority” in my blood.
Didn’t you see that in your chrystal ball?
My dear fellow, every post of yours speaks volumes about your character.
The fact that you and MB are interchangeable puts you two in a class by yourselves.
You eveidentally skipped and “Conservatism” class since the basic tenent is, personal responsibility and rule of law.
And proof not conjecture. I imagine you had a chapter on conservativism in you “Anarchy and Revolution 095″ class. Didn’t even earn credits did you?
I do not need to defend the President. Nor does he have to defent himself. He didn’t break any laws. I guess it is up to you and Denise Kusinich to prove he did and bring on the charges.
Believe it or not I am at work and between phone calls I wrote that post. Excuse some of the mistakes. Read through it.
Here is an article right out of the enemies own web site.
What happened to this?
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/nsaspying/26489prs20060817.html
Up is down, scarface. Bury your head in the sand on Bushco’s lawbreaking—it’s exactly what I expect from your “side”.
And you sure seem to have almost no interest in an awful lot of raging legal “fires” for someone who is supposedly so concerned about the rule of law.
I’m sure you crowed your approval when your Bush pardoned convicted felon Scooter Libby, right?—and please don’t parrot that “no laws were broken!!” That was a real demonstration of being held accountable and “personal responsibility” wasn’t it? I’m sure the judge and jury just got it totally wrong….
Again, I agree with you–Bush (and Cheney) need to be impeached and their lawless actions placed before the country so you “conservatives” have to face the lawbreaking felons you have so steadfastly supported for 8 years.
And I understood your post just fine, I don’t comment on minor spelling errors, I deal with substance.
“I deal with substance”
Yet you pedal a lack of it.
Why argue with sadsack?
He’s obviously dumber than a post, and lives in a totally different reality.
For the record, I am not subject in any way, shape, or form to US military law.
But in the world of parth (”I watch LA Law”), it’s all some amalgam. i..e just like civil and criminal courts are absolute day and night in power and strength of evidence.
Scar, why waste our time? He’s a clown. The final verdict is nary/nada/none an article or censure from the Dem controlled House of Reps.
I’m going out and having some fun. Parth can play Stratego and capture the WORLD.
I do love citing the “dissenting judge,”
like the 4 dissenters in Roe v Wade have any say in the last 35 years. Caution in the BQ:
Morons at play.
6DJ, you’re the one arguing, in case you can’t figure that out.
1. Who cares if YOU (or any civilian) are not subject to the UCMJ? (or the Geneva Conventions, for that matter). Who said you were? The US military is, that’s who lawless Bush “authorized” to break the applicable law in dealing with its detainess, and that’s what the Supreme Court concluded.
All this to try to “prove” that “US law” wasn’t involved? God, you’re dumb—or actually, you just think you are an expert in areas you know nothing about. More egomania.
2. Any “differences” between civil and criminal law have nothing to do with this discussion, whatever you may be fantasizing.
3. I can’t explain the concept of “reaching the merits” of a case to you as opposed to rendering a ruling purely on procedural grounds—you simply are too dim, despite my best efforts. So you’ll never understand the actual rulings in the warrantless surveillance case, ever. Yet your debilitating egomania will demand that you foolishly think you do.
3. Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision.
All in all, another area in which you know absolutely nothing, yet are convinced you are an “expert”. Now, away with you on the wings of your egomania and have a GREAT B-day….
And jay, you (of all people) commenting on a supposed “lack of substance” is beyond ironic. And I assume you meant “peddle”–since you have nothing to actually contribute (as always) I’m reduced to correcting your spelling.
“Kline received a “zero†score on his horrendous environmental voting record from the Sierra Club,…”
After my experiences with that bunch some years back, it sounds like a reason to vote FOR him to me.
So Libby’s jail time was pardoned. He still has to pay fines.
And for what? Nothing to do with the Plame fiasco. It was because of some statement that he supposedly made? I believe it was Tim Russert who claimed one thing and Libby didn’t recall. Russert was relying on his memory too, and it just so happened that the jury believed Mr Spudhead rather than Libby.
Perjury! Guilty. Many people thought he was guilty of outing the already out CIA secretary.
“I’m reduced to correcting your spelling.”
I suggest you stick with that…..you haven’t had much luck correcting anything else lately.
Arf! Arf!
Jay, you’re generally too ignorant and uninformed to even know if you had been corrected….
parthian says:
6DJ, you’re the one arguing, in case you can’t figure that out.
So just go feed your face at the luxurious salad n’ meat bar and leave reality and political responsibility to rational citizens.
Gee, by your tone I wouldn’t guess that, and like Bill you’re always the reluctant one to every not have the last word on a thread. You do sound more crabby, less towards “rational.”
But that’s what makes you so priceless to the BQ……
And if I were so dim, I doubt you’d spend the volumes arguing, and unlike your LA Law expertise,
I’ve actually been a defendant thru an entire trial; It was dismissed by a directed verdict (you can google that one), but it taught me volumes about the stunning weaknesses of our beloved courts. You ever been a defendant?
Lastly, thanks for the correction on the dissenting judge update #’s ( I can’t claim typo there), but then what was the legal impact of the two dissenters over the last 35 years? Despite my error, your initial point there is still, kindly put, amusing. The House could file legal motions against W on any given day, and if you’re left citing dissenting judges in legal cases, you are barking at the moon. Arf! Arf! as it goes.
Feed my face tonite!!!! Go 6DJ!!!
“Jay, you’re generally too ignorant and uninformed to even know if you had been corrected”
yes, yes, of course. If one disagrees with parthian, then that person is presumably ignorant and misinformed. Yawn.
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